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with the ukraine projectile with the combined uranium now do not rush to faint. they say it is still united early. this is not the uranus enrichment that was charged, so to speak, with guilt and injury, but nevertheless, this is , so to speak, a new level. as i understand it , the confrontation is a new level of escalation, which at least britain has chosen. thank you for your attention. till tomorrow. i have been taking care of my garden for a very long time.
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9 months ago, maria and andrey dmitrieva from serpukhov adopted a three-month-old girl , katya, into their family. our happiness is different for ours. just don't say. she is everything to us. however , the joy of foster parents was replaced by fear for the future of the girl, unexpectedly for everyone , katya's biological mother declared her rights to the child. i'm not ready to give her away, but she's completely our child. how can you give up your child? she is my daughter, i will not give her to anyone. we will fight for our sun for our ray for our buttons, but twenty-three-year-old victoria gruzdeva herself claims that
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she has taken up her mind a long time ago and is ready to be an excellent mother, not only for her daughter. well, for another baby, and she's all set to pick up her baby. i love my children very much. they are the best for me, as if my children are my treasure. i will never give them to anyone. i will create all the conditions for them so that they are next to me and that my children are, of course. everything they want. today in the male / female program we will find out why the children were seized from victoria gruzdeva. why does the court take the side of the biological mother, and what are the adoptive parents ready for in the fight for their little button? today in our studio maria and andrey dmitriev. hello. tell me what happened. we came to you for help, to take away our biological child,
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mother suddenly remembered that she wants to raise her. the first is probably a few months. she didn't go there at all. and now she is trying to take her away from us, and the prosecutor of our city and her assistant are trying in every possible way. yes, too, of our city to come up and cover her in every possible way and try to do it too. well , so that they take the child from us. you are adoptive parents. we are now adoptive parents. we have what it is called foster family, well, as they say, the child is under the age of 18 documents, we have all done since the end of september. how long has the child been with you since june 20, 22. so how old was she when you took her 3 months four four. and how did you come up with the idea to take a child from a nursery? we discussed and thought about it. it does not work, as they say, to eat one's own. as
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they say abandoned children. we went to custody, they gave us documents. we all went to school. yes , we are a school in ukraine, please, we had two schools. that is, you have this conscious decision walked for a long time. are you ready for it? at some point, they called us, they said there is a girl depriving her mother of parental rights, we asked if they would be any. eh, there are grandparents there, you never know who else would want to. we were told 100% deprived of her parents, however, therefore, naturally. we went . we met her when we saw her in the hospital . she has eyes. but now she even smiles, like her dad, her eyes are straight. same. yes, it looks like even friends decided to joke that it was i who walked somewhere. yes, we, when we first saw it, we immediately realized that it was ours. baby and a few days later. well, maybe weeks there. maybe a little more has passed, because we took her. already when we were given the documents, at first we had preliminary
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guardianship. let's now deal with the status, and the child with your status, when you took the girl. her mother at that time was limited and unresolved. i kind of understand guardianship, so that the child is not abandoned in shelters, in all orphanages it was concluded to remove the child from the family and decide the mother of parental rights and guardianship offered us this child, because it matches the conclusion. well, according to our data, according to our data at that time , here. mom hasn't had a moment yet. they were preparing a document, you understand that at the time when the court was preparing and the guardianship authorities and the prosecutor's office were completely in favor of depriving her of her parents, but as a result of september 1, we had the first court, but it, as the conversation goes, but she didn't show up. it was then transferred to us here on the twenty- second of september, on which she came and
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before the court. yes, the employees brought, it turns out before the court. she directly talked to the prosecutor. we have prosecutor volkova, and after that she said at the court that she wants to take the child away from us, then the court was on the fourth of october. she left with this prosecutor. they were not, well, from half an hour to 40 minutes, until there was a judge. they returned, they talked very nicely among themselves and the periodic mother, yes, and she didn’t even hide it from her. she says, come to me tomorrow, come to the prosecutor's office. there we will write something, but i did not go into details. well, because to me, to be honest, our mother does not wants to restrict. yes, wait, you were in court. yes, of course, the arguments were the authorities, guardianships, and at that moment still the prosecutor's office, that they came out of the decision of the anti-slovie e forgive
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, was there something or not attracting? there, for some kind of narcotic psychotropic drugs, she has something like that. a whole bunch, there are a lot of things. yes , she proved in court that she eliminated all these reasons for her desire to take the child. she didn't say anything more. i want to take her. what was your status during this entire period? who are you anyway we were at that moment. i was on me, documents were made, as a preliminary run at first, but when only for me, but when we had a trial on october 4, we have already had documents made for a foster family since the end of september. and you generally later wanted to adopt to give at least to adopt her, you wanted to appeal. yes, we filed an appeal, and the prosecutor filed an appeal that she was a good mother. and we, as they wrote, are
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arranged. family, what do you know in general about the biological mother of the child about victoria but we saw her for the first time at the trial on september 22, when they brought her, to be honest, in appearance, well , she was not very tidy like mine, maybe laughing, she didn’t even wash her hair. it was unpleasant to sit next to her, and alimony was assigned to her by the court. yes, it's an element. yes, the first time we received alimony in the month of january. she means they are from the fifth of august. now he is her debt now some. approximately 328.000 on january 1st. tell me, here's another thing, and she still has children has another child. my name is artyom from the seventeenth year of birth, he is now also in a foster family completely deprived. you know we of course, then we will meticulously disassemble.
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uh, does mom sincerely want the child to return to her, the main thing, if the condition for the child to return to her, is she aware of herself on the second attempt, really a mother, yes, but for now i want to see how your child is lives. this is our big house where we live with our family. mostly. we have three people living here. our daughter ekaterina, we call her a button, the most beloved. very long awaited. this is our entire life, there is no other way to say it. i'm afraid that if it doesn’t exist, it won’t exist, and we love us very much, this photo, where we are with dad. we play with it all the time now. and come to me, but my dad loves baby food very much. how much we want starts from juices.
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we have such milk porridges, periodically, we eat all kinds of meat and fruit porridges. she has her own dishes with her own spoons, we close them from her, really. now she is very inquisitive to climb. maybe anywhere you want, this is our second floor here. our three bedrooms are not big enough, even if there are more children, one, two, three, four, five places. enough for everyone on the slope room. she lives here with us, but mostly at night now, because we play on the first floor with shoes that we can now wear. and now hinged here. we also have things here, we have jackets. mostly. here are the spring autumn ones, but i’m not ready to give her a child. i can't imagine my life without her, how can i leave her. no way. we will fight for our own, the sun for its ray. can you give us
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the details of the case, he petitioned about the removal of the child or the neck of the riga rights. they gave a conclusion on the case that these are extreme measures, that the rights of the mother are violated. uh, they said so, well, yes, the prosecutor's office protects the right of the mother of their child. and they even have all the arguments that the court's decision is illegal only because it does not coincide with the conclusion of the prosecutor. well, true. well, it's okay, i understand some. well, quite a remote village. and you know for sure that no hand of moscow will reach you. this is serpukhov, are you wearing a necklace, or what? quite you are the legal representatives of the rights of the mother or a child, so as not to be unfounded, we will compare today those conditions you saw in which the girl lives and those where you
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are trying to give her. it was clear in the plot, well , it’s clear that you have a very close relationship with the child and will say to everyone that you are a foster family, but still. she is mom, dad, you are mom, dad for her. but when victoria came to visit you, she who does not let her go home. we are a neutral territory, everywhere i show it the way i imagined it, it is clear that katyushka is still quite small, but it’s still there aunt or whatever the first two times. if i'm not mistaken, she told us, like, don't call her daughter, so that she doesn't get used to you, don't call her with mom and dad, this is for you victoria yes, but she doesn't go to her. she will take her child in her arms, literally 1-2 minutes, she leaves her, or to her father. let's still call, this is not a travel mom to our victoria studio, come here. i will not
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give my child to anyone, which of katyusha and the other, as if, well, there was no that moment, why, as it were, motherly? sting come on, i'm serious. well, i was very small, i gave birth, as if at 17. how many 17 years old was i born, but if you were small, how then did you excuse me to go on doing things for me? i am so suspicious of myself. no, no one is raping me. that is, it was voluntary. yes, we lived, we lived with the first father of the child for 2 years. and how old were you when you began to live with him for 14 years? vegetables now call an ambulance.
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kino one tv presents packing things go joke. according to the papers now, who is the father of the child according to the papers? the father of the child, i made an effective marriage, according to the papers, the father of the child turns out, well , i already divorced him, but he is considered, as it were, i recorded him as the father. why isn't she in jail? that is, you confirm that the marriage was fictitious. yes, but not for money. and he just asked me to help with citizenship. i helped him. and what's the difference, you will tell the investigating body, look,
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what a story we are so naive that we really don’t understand that a fictitious marriage. and you admitted publicly this is a crime before the law. no, you don't understand the law, what follows next. explain, they put me in jail. yes, okay, yes . well, at least i figured it out. let's go back to the roll, how did it happen that they took it from you under what circumstances it was with the young man who daniil, who drank, stole, he was the biological father and it turned out that he and i went for a walk with the child. yes, he is the biological father. i went for a walk with the child and i come home a mess. naturally. i will not run away to clean the apartment right away. naturally. there is a child wanted. eat. naturally. i put him on the bed. naturally, the bed was clean . when you left, there was order with the child, and at home the mess returned and
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the house was a mess. yes, because he made a mess and all the adults in this studio, of course, believed in this beautiful story. who called for guardianship or traffic rules, what was there, and i don’t know who called her. why because i, uh, fed the child, went out into the corridor, and he stood a pdl. i agreed with my stepfather. say guess what neighbors neighbors could call only if there is an orc creek fight booze, and they know that there was a small child from my young man's side, since he sang with my stepfather from a neighbor, who lived very much i did not drink. i drank, i don’t know, but we lived with him, which means i was afraid of him, because he beat me. i honestly had an apartment in which traffic rules arrived well and that three deaf people were sitting in the dpr. baba two men went out into the corridor correctly, they absolutely. yes? they
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stood talking to my stepfather. i go out and say. hello anna alexandrovna says i want to see where the girl was taken from. i want to see where it was taken from. here we lived with my daughter, who , uh, who gave birth, lived through. we were here for 3 months after she was removed from this room, that is, we removed her from the fact that the conditions were bad, as it were. well, everything, because he was a mess. here, here stood the diaper. well, as a changing table there was a table, since i didn’t have about as much standing. here is an ordinary table. here, ah, that is, he had diapers on him here. here she stood on the sofa, when we lived with katyushka and with my ex-young man. but unfortunately the sofa had to be thrown out as there were bugs, but i brought them out. that is, naturally. i threw everything away and here i was cooking when i lived, as it were. well, right
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here on this table. i regret that my branches were taken from me. and i want to return them and i will do everything for this, so that they are with me the way i am my own, my mother, my own, my father is interested in fate, daughters, no. why don't we communicate anymore and i don't want to talk about him know i have now a current young man who is ready to take me even two children and he says 23 years 23 years old. please tell me from 14:00 to 23:00. how many men were there? i'm just wondering. hmm two. oh, three it turned out that we met my young man. here, with whom i now live yes and what is his name, artyom and he just took me to his home and said that this danya is not a match for you, and i think that you need to be pulled out and pulled me out of such mud just stop , that is you yourself say that this is dirt, yes, and the child lived in
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this dirt. yes, and you live in an apartment. artyom now. let's say tomorrow? well, you took the child, everything is fine with you. tomorrow artyom says, you know , actually, to be honest, i did not calculate. yes, you 're still going anywhere. here you and the child i do not need. and what further do you go into that viper? no, he won't say that, because let's get out like that. the legs spread the child, gave birth, you thought that daniel would behave like this. no , of course, i knew because he already so initially led, when you fooled very hard did you see in what conditions? i am very grateful that she lives in such conditions and grateful that they did not leave her. but i believe that the child should still be with his own mother. and what about those six months? i promise that i will do everything so that my child lives with me. let's see now where you actually want
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to take the child, if the court makes such a decision. here is the apartment where i want to pick up the children. the room we are going to renovate, this is the wallpaper we are going to bought, which we want to glue in this room. i plan to directly create a repair, all the conditions for the child to live with his mother , i already have a crib, and the young man will take the sofa from his apartment in the cafe wall. we wanted to buy something and , of course, a corner corner for our daughter, so that everything is the same as ours. the kitchen is a shared communal apartment. here i will have lockers here, there are all kinds of mixtures of diapers, they will be stored there. uh, there's a baby crib. well, here is the sofa next to it. here here is the kitchen where i will cook all sorts of different dishes for her, that is,
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porridge soups. this is a bath, as it were, i will, of course , wash the column, we will replace it, so as it can burn out, i will buy a bath for it. here we will swim here. here. here, i want to hang shelves to remove shampoos and all sorts of creams. this is all for him or well, all personal hygiene and towels are here, i want to hang. in general, i will do everything so that my child is healthy and happy, so that my child has. well, look at everything. which story. uh, everything you say, it's all in the future tense. just a person walks and fantasizes in the future tense. this is where we will be here this is here we are here my garden of eden we will break here the birds will chirp here will be, and show you an absolutely dead communal apartment on which listen you will paste the wallpaper, they
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will leave them on the third day or the cockroaches will take it to hell. either dampness, which he is quite obviously visible under the window. you live with this guy for 7 months, you had a trial in october. and you want tell me on the video how you will make a repair here, i will do it in six months. what did you do before you lived with this dog for 7 months? you need psychological help. you live in a world of illusions. you just drew some kind of fairy-tale world for yourself and you try to live in it every time this world breaks. you draw a new one and so on in a circle, but you are 23 years old. i can't worry about you. you are an adult, but this button, which year. i will worry about her, that dear prosecutors and guardianship authorities, we
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did your job for you, we examined the housing. which mother she considers herself to be , the biological mother wants to take the child away from those conditions that you know, well, let's look at the decision of the prosecutor's office. after that, well, let's see how they twist. let's see why it's a priority for them to entertain a twenty- three-year-old fool. now he will tell me what kind of girl i ran into, please. education is given to a child if the boy's native is unlimited and do not deprive, on what basis is this child baked into guardianship if i do not fly limited here are our charms? i don’t know there, i’m running somewhere, but i didn’t distract me with this question. shut up and listen. what alternative was the act of custody at
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the time, that is, do you think she would be better off in a baby house, since we see how much time has passed you have not done a damn thing. how long will it take before you do a damn thing. you can't speak. this is where i will stand. this is where it will stand when it is not worth it, listen first. today was the best thing for me, i didn’t even know what about this transmission what and where it was necessary for the transmission. this is what i can't understand. and here is the six months that you will have your child taken away from you here today and now they took one away you went to build a new personal life took away, the second is engaged in arranging your personal life, because the child was taken away from you last summer it’s easy to calculate if you are dating your boyfriend 7 months that you
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had a boyfriend a month later. after they took the child, that is, you need the moment when the child is taken from you, it was more important to build your personal life, no hanging around guys. they beat off the thresholds of bodies, guardianships spend the night there not to fucking prove that you are a good mother no. listen, artyom, how old are you? the subject with whom i have been living for 36 years, look at him, you told us before the program that he, of course, is not opposed to the child returning. yes, and even wants him here. you offered me to take custody. and you will all raise four children together. he suggested it to me. he says i don't mind. i really want. listen, then you don't have to go to to the doctor you alone need to go to the doctor with artyom because he will also incline you to the illusion.
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yes, please tell me, is your mother deprived, parental truth? on whom to brother sister she starts all no, she must be the youngest. and how many oh deer are nine, and kiryusha are six, these are the ones you want to pick up. do not mind? no, she supports you. yes, she even came to the program here, elena doranova in our studio let's call the child. for two of you, too, illegally deprived. well, i think i'm right, but it's not. and
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how did it happen that she already began to live at 14 sexual life, and in the sixteenth case. well, i didn't know about it. and where were you? actually, i worked, and i lived, because grandfather and grandmother, therefore, and when i lived with my grandmother and grandfather. yes, she lived grandfather, i wonder how and with whom your daughter lives and sleeps. first, i came, i visited the children. she didn’t tell me anything about it, she studied with us. she showed me the lessons and everything. rest. how do you imagine it? hello mommy. thank you for visiting me. you know i have a man, i sleep with him. and how old are you girl? and then i lost count, 14, mommy, well done daughter, so it had to be done. your daughter's current roommate. yes , he is going to help return the children, right? why hasn't he married her yet? no, this is important to me urgently and you know what
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will happen. right now, the appeal is on the nose. here they are collecting, they are going to apply. i did not get it yet. no, wait, you can't. i'm interested in what you say. well, what about the microphone, i’m great-aunt vika, and from the side of this young man artyom i don’t see no movement at all about for 7 months. he did not give and does not want to do anything and the brother of this child goes home. if he wanted to take the child, he would have done something long ago. thank you very much. please, finally, no, i don't care. now wait, your mother said, artyomushka is on your side for all of us in public, my aunt cousin said that he’s on my side, because so
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actions, they say, they are words. no, i won’t say that artyom is killed there, there’s some other one yes, there , well, she also needs to be given some chance to give her chance at the expense of the child. she made repairs. we will help her, she will arrange her life. why not? chance? it is impossible to give, if he does not want children, they began to live as peasants at the age of 14 with a peasant. mom, no one else will say that. and you listen, because their mother's love is not enough for them. i work. they did not help anyone to seek love and care, and for this the girls go to the peasants to live at such a young age, because no one loves at home alone. they go looking for love. and now she is doomed because of you
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to run. and how much and become love and care. i i had no one, i had no one to support them and feed them, water them, dress them, put them on. my grandfather and grandmother, my parents did not work in retirement, she was with the house to feed her. i worked nights with one day off. i had to sleep and again went to pick it up. yes, they had all the water they could. elena, unfortunately, i am not authorized to present you with the order of the heroine's mother. but you are now telling a situation that single women in our country face in batches. you know , another woman came to us, who knows well how victoria lives in our studio. let's listen to her. hello. in my
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opinion children. let's absolutely not. tell me why. you are a neighbor yes, they live on the second floor. i live on the fourth, but it has very good audibility. the house is old and very good. everything is heard. yes, so that's why we heard constant drinking and partying all the time. vika's young people change like gloves all the time. i can’t say that they have been making such a lot of noise lately, but before that we had a lot of conflicts about the fact that i just have the smallest child. i recently gave birth, he is 10 months. i have a very sensitive child and the audibility is very good from these constant screams of scandals. my child just stopped, please, at that moment, when at that very moment after the child was taken away from her. second, i was present. i saw her. and what a way of life after that , the same thing, of course, after the child was taken away, non-russian people appeared in her,
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who changed, er. how? well, it's just that there are always different ones, you know where and how vika works, and she worked part-time as a prostitute. yes proof i was pregnant. went from work. a car was approaching the entrance, a young man, not a russian, was sitting there, and things of an intimate nature came screaming. after that, i came up and said, they had sex in the car in the car , the car was parked, right next to the stairs. well, there is a railway near the entrance, that is, a video. why didn’t you make a video. it's good then. i want to listen to you, everyone else, so i came up with. i told you
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what happened next? what kind of conversation did you have? i found nothing and said, to such was no more. i have three children, one is 15 and the other is eleven years old. accordingly, if my children excuse this, well, i will see this from school. well, i don't have a transmission. i won't say any more here. i don't want to talk, please. you will also carry us in court. i made repairs, i 'll take my child. now i don't want to be here. please tell me to be taken out before new please. and who's holding yours? mom? are you 23 years old? take your life, at least one decision and answer for it i will accept, i i will answer. i just want you from my children to be gone yet. i'll take them. i have achieved. it's exactly the same as you
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just came out of this studio. that's how you get kids, you decide to answer for her like that. studio by studio, do you know how the meeting happens to tell you, they come to the meeting, the child starts to cry. yes, because the child is not completely me. i was taken away by a child at 3 months, how can a child be a mother, how can he cry to me and i don’t understand this, what did you do when you took the child from the breasts were torn off from the nursing one, that you made a new dog for yourself. they have lunch. he really wants to take katya artyom too and wants his mother's about mother's children. money will help me take custody of them. he wants your body. this is not my body. it's the only thing he wants offered. i will not participate in the transfer. that's it, let the microphone turn on. no, stop you. i'll give you a rating on these programs. this program just doesn't understand from here quickly went. get out of here , get out of here quickly. i will no more. no,
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it makes no sense, as far as i understand, by americans have an illegal facebook, but they themselves don’t know who we have never had an illegal in
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they give the mother a chance, and that the mother, in any case, will kill this child not physically. so the moral is they don't worry. exceptions. everything is fine. can you tell me? not in the fact that i raised two, do not hear me. i pulled them alone, nothing, please, for my daughter. please go. thanks a lot. my god , my god, i just have a black soul. all i'm sitting here. both are in a childish position - this is a fact ; he does not have a maternal instinct; he does not exist. when a mother gives birth to a child, she apriori loves him. in this family. no, love, in general, completely broken from the word, of course, already a grandmother. she later broke her daughter and now they want to break the third generation, and i really hope that this will not happen, because, of course, this child needs love. and here, and just
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foster parents. i am sure they will be able to give it to her. it is quite obvious that the biological mother is not ready to raise a child. she lives by illusions fantasies, well sick not sick. this is a question for doctors and very it is sad that o, as the sovereign's local prosecutor's office, does not see the obvious and makes just such a decision. i would like to contact foster parents. you are doing business. that's all you get success to you. thank you amazing daughter will stay with you i am 100% sure after leaving this program . moreover, i will give you a good little advice. take it right away. do everything, adopt a child, protect him in any case. don't make her communicate. ah, because understand a simple thing. a child should have only one mother and you know, i want to say, thank you very much, what you are doing, because, well
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, just people like you, but they do amazing things, they really show what motherhood is in general, but these two women they are not understood. they just they didn't understand one simple thing, they have no more feelings. what is it like to be a mother family, chic, i paid attention to the hands of my father, this is a man who worked his hands all his life in such a way that he worked a lot. he made this house with his hands. i wouldn't be surprised if from the foundation to the roof, then yes, dad is very correct, real , who worked all his life, mom with great love and the most on the armchair of the child and a lot of things and all this is laid out in bottles, jars, all mixtures. that is, katyushki created ideal conditions. everything for her, in fact, this whole house for her, he was remade under the child. i am so glad that despite such difficult starting conditions. right now she is in such heavenly, andrey, i don’t know, i just
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really liked everything and watched with pleasure from here, she’s not mature, there ’s no passport age. i in general i feel that much earlier, therefore infantilism is emotional all reactions. here they correspond to childhood, and including this naivety, which you are surprised at, how people are practically these castles in the air on i breda. as a representative of, probably , the popular front, i want to say that we will take this situation under control and help you with legal matters. yes, it will be a component . many thanks to the editors, because they have collected, well, quite a large evidence base and, and in the subsequent subsequent. i think that after all she is for you help, so keep that in mind, and have your lawyer deal with it. the prosecutor is insisting that the baby be returned right
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now to the mother, well, before the appeal. yes, they didn’t want to take her away, they said that it wouldn’t help you to move away, and you have her right on the day of the appeal. on the sixth of march , they will take your child right from home. even the city attorney told us that he would not help us, that she was the perfect mother, because she got a job in december before uh, the court. listen, i'm right. i don't understand what 's going on money to bribe her no, sasha is the feeling that, well, how will i live with this burden with a child. well, all right, they took it from one woman separately , but there is some kind of prosecutorial madness, that is, they just want to take and kill the child for pity for my mother when i gave birth to only one. and also the nose of a stroller. i told you on the fourth floor, which one i said, yes, and when i lower the child from the fourth floor, if there is no one to help me i have a child in one hand in the other hand a stroller, when i
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saw how vika was lowering at that moment, how once she was 3 months old when her child was abused. my heart bled , that is, there is a stroller, here from the second floor it is like this, there the child is just like this, it’s like there is some kind of doll lying there. right here in general. well, you know, it's hard to blame her for that. no matter how monstrous it may sound now. she doesn’t know, doesn’t have and doesn’t want to learn more, and she didn’t even have a doll with a stroller, what can i say, all the cards are in your hands, all the chances are on your side, the hindrance that arose with this not quite healthy woman prosecutor's uniform. i think it will be eliminated, because otherwise i don’t understand at all why the prosecutor’s office? why court? why are guardianship authorities if they cannot protect one small defenseless person who lives now?

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