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how you didn't let me sleep, you let loose your springs. how are you tired of the sofa , take things easier with a loan from sberbank with a rate of 4% per annum and a monthly cashback, obviously. i'm roman karmanov, and i'm elena kiper, we continue the conversation with sergey lukyanenko social networks really guide us now and are we able and should we, for example, refuse them at least to some extent? i think that, of course, it is necessary to distance oneself, because there is such a cumulative effect of accumulation of surrounding opinions a person enters the network. at he has some views. he involuntarily finds like-minded people. those begin to support these views and the person very quickly becomes radicalized. here he is of a moderate
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position on some issue. it quickly jumps to some completely extreme level, which is good, so, of course, you need to control yourself in the network to understand that it is a network. it also affects you now 615. 10 million people already visit the meta worlds and live there, well, there is good news, comrades, wait, wait, i will calm you down two days ago something about the fact that the meter of the universe losing popularity rapidly. uh, investors stop investing in them and so on. people refuse they no-no. i'm sure it's unlikely that these scribes have paid, inferior virtuality, it can't drag out so much, you can talk as much as you like. look, what a wonderful virtual house i have, how many rooms there are, pools and peacocks walk, but at the same time, everyone generally understands that he is sitting on a sagging sofa, and he is building
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some kind of virtual palaces there and parts arise, because children are born with gadgets in hand. for them, these universes. they are already sewn on. they know how to share. i think they can. anyway, i 'm looking. uh, for your children, for their acquaintances. i have a feeling they are. the current generation is calmer and healthier about all this. eh, for our generation - this caused a little, in general, the appearance of all such conditional virtuality of the network. it was kind of a shock. many simply ended up in the depths and began to choke for the next generation there, perhaps those born at the beginning of the 2000s, but this yes. it was such a very full-fledged environment, and they dabbled in it with pleasure, but the current one is already somehow differentiated. i mean, uh, i've seen it many times.
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uh, what, uh, children grab, say, some box with a board game, and lay out some card figures on the floor of the table. here they play in this one with no less, if not much more pleasure than some network games will offer all the senses. i apologize all feelings, if here, yes. then part of the population, of course, will take advantage, but before that it is still very far. and how do you yourself react to the emergence of various new products you go to explore? what is there or so in general to rebuild? no, well , i like something, i go and explore something, i reject something. something just understand that, well, i don't need it. there, yes, there is an interesting gadget, an interesting technology that i think, so, in fact, where i will use this wonderful gadget, i don’t need it specifically, someone needs it. well, i'm trying to be more reasonable. but the universe of sergey lukyanenko is a lot formats starts. i would call it in
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the creative industries, we call it the creative industry and interprets creative things, uh , there are films created, and according to your books. and how to negotiate with you screenwriters and directors, how easy it is not for you to work with them, but for them to work with you, of course, you need to ask them. golden man here is not, in fact, i always try to treat with understanding. uh, especially to the director, because the director who we take to shoot science fiction is already to some extent. well if not a saint, then a great martyr, that is, a person who, in general, took up something very difficult and very poorly worked out for us. uh, if in the west, and even in the east , this everything is already put on the stream of production of science fiction films, then in our country it is just now unwinding, but luck has already begun, and therefore i hmm
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, as a rule, patiently treat all failures and some director with his own initiatives. e screenwriters. you know, i 'm a screenwriter myself, uh, i write screenplays. basically, of course, in their own things. uh, well sometimes, according to strangers, i literally did it the other day, a script for one not my project. but i really like him at first. this is how i joined him. i hope that it will be done, unfortunately, i can not name anything specifically. uh-huh well, how did it happen that with all the baggage of soviet science fiction. we have squandered science fiction so much, and as a result, we are forced to catch up with it now, too, when science fiction itself is most in demand in all types of creative industries, including computer games, board games, books, and films. serials, anything, but we
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had fantasy. e, strongly cut off from the western world from the whole huge layer, american english e, fiction, that is, thank god stanislav lem and other masters were available there, but not all and, accordingly, when a huge amount gushed in the nineties. uh, good and bad fiction uh readers. in general, i choked on it. he began to read actively our western authors for a while, abandoned our floundering. uh, many began to simply imitate some samples are still good, when worthy samples and try to work in this vein, that is, there was such a fair subsidence. eh, in 2000 the situation improved a little, firstly, our reader returned. he realized that far from everything that is written. it's good there. it turned out that after all, like everywhere else, 90% is
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rubbish. uh, and, accordingly, began to look at our authors, who still write about our people. in our reality, i realized that this is also interesting. here, somewhere since the 2000s , since 2005, maybe a year. in my opinion it goes like this a definite renaissance of our fantasy of hers. uh, i think she's a solid number two in the world. and how ready are you for young filmmakers, creators , directors, to come and ask to film. here, uh, try to screen it. and your e books, that is, or parts or let's say, well, something that they define for themselves. what can they take on? uh, it's a whole story, intellectual property licenses, agree to get in somehow. well, look, there are several options. first, there is. uh, such a concept when a non-
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commercial project is being made. it is often students in gay, for example, graduates shoot some kind of short film. they usually turn to me asking permission. i say good shot. well, sometimes i say ok to pay one ruble. i mean, that's a possibility too, right? well, i mean, it's not exclusive. naya thing this is exactly the opportunity. e people to work out to work. sometimes it turns out well, sometimes not so much, but something turns out, sometimes the situation is somewhat different. here i have. uh, roman autumn visits and love very much. he is so old, just his years, 30 already. and i offered him repeatedly for film adaptation, and no one took him, although he is very simple for film adaptation, he is so serious and heavy, and apparently this somehow scared everyone away. e to me in vladivostok four years ago. uh, two young people came up. uh , vladivostok uh, cinematographer. eh,
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they say sergei vasilyevich we would very much like to take it off. i say guys. here no one is taken, everyone is afraid. i will give you. just show what you can do. they say, well, we'll show you. a year has passed. i was back in in vladivostok, they ran up to me with a laptop open and show they filmed two scenes. uh, from the book, i look, i think, opa, how did it happen and i play everyone well and so on. it turned out that they attracted local vladivostok actors with fresh, not worn faces, who played in general absolutely on a public initiative, so to speak, on their own and that is, they played for nothing and played after hours, i look everything is not bad. i say guys okay. here you pay one ruble. they, in my opinion, did not have a ruble with them and found some no no contract signed well. they found a chinese coin. yuan, paid one yuan. but yes
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, they filmed they filmed eight-episode series. now it’s on with production, in my opinion, six episodes out of eight have already been shoveled there for the second time for the last time. there, everything there was sharply squeezed under, cut down, recorded music. there are good effects. there is a wonderful game, it turned out to be a normal eight-episode fantasy series. how do you feel about the discussion that we do not have good scripts. we don't have good lyrics. we don't have good writers, we don't have anything and films. we don't have good ones either. no, we say, so here it is necessary to divide. we have a lot of good fantasy. we have a lot of good stories we have, er, after all. uh, a lot of things, but we really have a problem with the writers. the only thing i can say is that it's a problem. in fact, it's happening all over the world right now. uh, i think a lot of the problem is because movies are now
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produced by producers. eh, on the one hand. this is understandable, the producer gives money. he doesn't want to take risks. uh, on the other hand, the screenwriter wrote the text of the script, like everyone says, fine. then the producer comes, says, yes, everything is wonderful. just now, you know , add a girl here. here is the fight. and then put the corpse. well the screenwriter is starting to pry on himself. curls adds that girl then the fight is over. then the director comes and says, no, we need to redo it a little. you know, in such and such a film it was very good and adds something else and as a result appears. as a result, a film that was not shot according to the script was written. well, the scriptwriters, but just such a team somehow yes attraction, i am in one scenario, when i was very tormented and i say, i need some bright unusual spectacle here, and the action took place in a medieval city. and i wrote saying in the background is a large procession of dwarfs fire-eaters,
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juggling with colorful maces. and these are the things that began to insert it was filmed. no, it hasn't been filmed. unfortunately. it was an interesting podcast of the creative industry, and in the studio, roman pockets and elena are our guests. uh, sergei lukyanov the great soviet, the fantastic writer looked at the american tv series, which means that somehow there was such a plot, and a person who thinks that he is talented or not, talented, he has the opportunity to take a pill. and if he is really a talented talent, or his talent is revealed, he begins to write with terrible force. and if there is no talented one, he turns into zombies into vampires and begins to walk around and eat people, so at the dawn of your activities. uh, when you realized that you can generally eat a pill already, but in fact, uh writer, when he even
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wrote his first story. he must be generally sure that he is a genius. eh, at least potentially. uh, here, without this, you can't do this job without this, because you look on the shelf of bookstores and you become. bad and you think what i'm doing and why am i writing something else? he has already written a lot, but in a good way, probably, it was a book atomic dream. i have such an old, old story completely written, in my opinion, about 20 years old. and so, when i wrote it, i suddenly i realized that this is more or less good. i realized that it didn’t work out and somehow noted it for myself. so it was joyful and then there were several more such works. there were autumn visits, after which i realized that i had written a good novel, and there was spectrum and a few more books. that is, every time. so , at a certain stage, you write a book and think. i'm done. i
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took some peak for myself and you can eat the pill again. and now young people are asking you a question. how money is earned, of course, they ask, because e scheme, when a person he works all day, and in the evening he sits and writes something. well, she's still young. maybe e ride. and when a person is already 30-40 years old, then in the evening you still want to relax a little, and not do a second job of writing. this is also work. and now i just advise everyone and say, go and engage in electronic publications, because young people now love it very much. e, such a reading format as e reading from a tablet from a phone and so on, there are a lot of sites. hey, where are you writers? this is how they exhibit and, uh, people pay there. well the man announces
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subscription, says, here i am writing a novel. there, read three chapters for free. if you like it, there for 50 rubles. you will read to the end there or at the table, who evaluates their work as a result, and as a result, some authors become super popular earn big, really big money, but there is another danger here, because reading or he is a person who wants to get something all the time that he already liked. and so the young, the author wrote his novel, everyone screamed there. hurray man, suddenly earned. i thought it was 20 years old, he wrote a book and earned there in a couple of months more than his dad earns in a year. his eyes are on fire. he is screaming. now i will write a new book, the reader is screaming, no, we like that one, write a sequel for the person already. strictly speaking, there are no ideas for a continuation, but it is necessary. he sits down to write a second book. so now i'm writing a new one. no, he writes the third. then he says to himself. no, i'll write a new one. i'm a writer, he writes a
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completely new story and all his faithful readers. they say fu is not at all what we wanted and he sees that he has a financial failure and in as a result, a person begins to earn a young author, but he is forced to work. that's purely by order of the public. you always write what you feel, want what torments you almost always. i tried a couple of times, uh, to work, let's say, on order. uh, usually it was related to some kind of computer games, that is. people create a computer game, it is interesting and they have an idea. but if a famous writer writes e a novel about our computer game, then it will become even more popular. yes it is basically works. uh, but when you write a novel like this, to order, you've been persuaded to be motivated. you sit and write, but do you feel that you, in general, are still doing it? uh, not what he wanted, this is a very unpleasant
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feeling. i've uh written books like this a couple of times. uh, well, don't really want to repeat eating the recipe. how many hours a day do you need, but invest in writing. well, there is, uh, such a good rule to write, at least a little every day. that's at least half a page at least a page. eh, to be honest, even if a person writes the page. uh, every day one page there of computer text, there is a thief. yes, then he will write a couple of romanovs in a year uh-huh banned the film adaptation of several of his works, not only for film adaptation for productions in the theater. uh, they were related to the fact that children are just like in american schools. uh, over the past 10 years, these cases have been repeated. uh, murder was committed with children, and he forbade it. he categorically did not give anyone permission. and you have such, perhaps not. i know what it's about. uh, king has several stories about
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teenagers who were shooting at school and i, to be honest, did not write such things, yes, and in general these books. i think king's is not the best, but let's get back to the industry, after all. yes , indeed, the industry, the western one, for some time, captured our market for quite obviously. now it has partly receded, but it has rushed along with the interest of our citizens too. that is, they continue to look for western western, western tv series, films and so on. they asked us to make some kind of extra effort to return this attention to the inside of the country to our native soil on our fiction our series our films and so on. it seems to me that any such film production, production of games , production of quality music. this is , in fact, also a production. this is a product that you can sell to earn. uh, at worst, money. they just stayed inside the country, and at best it is also
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an export product. that is, uh, supports at least already, starting from this actually in the same serial and production. it seems to me that we have already reached quite a decent parity not everywhere, we are pulling along technology special effects. this is understandable , because it adds up to less than the sum, but according to the performance of the actors according to the plots. eh, we are already pulling out quite well and there are a number of projects. again, i will not name, who are watching with delight, and they are ahead of, uh , some western counterparts, but if we continue the topic, then go to foreign territories with our films and our meanings with our books. as far as this is also necessary and there is and with what, well, it seems to me that there is something i can say, let's say about myself. i don't know now i think less much will be published in europe, er, but in
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fact they are publishing now and there is still a proposal and everything is very actively going to the east. eh, china is there and there is a lot of interest. there is an interest in our culture. in general, it has traditionally been preserved. and you can go there , you have to go. i'm getting out. there's now book after book in china. oh, well, now we have box office receipts, if we talk about cinema, and very high right now, literally these two months. which ok i mean until the box office, but do we have some good news? uh, next new year, apparently, after all will uh, be followed by an exit. uh, a lot of prime and will lie down. i think, i think , yes, i think, yes, i say again, i serve on my own in terms of the number of projects in which i am directly or indirectly involved. uh,
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it's projects that cost, well, film projects , television scripts, sales of the rights to the book. i see that we are very active here . now here is a spread on their authors and domestic production. well, it seems to me that it is going even faster than many expected a year ago. he goes very fast. and he goes. that's good, he goes without centralized instructions and from above. as they say, we are all used to, what you need to say from above is to quickly develop your computer. well, and so on. uh, it turned out that in the film and television industry. in general, people themselves, without a team, begin to develop and launch projects on this positive note. it's time for us to wrap up the creative industry podcast. and how i would like to talk more, we had a good talk. yes, we were visiting. uh, science fiction writer sergei lukyanenko dear friends roman pockets elena hyper. up to new
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meetings. thank you hello this is ranevskaya's podcast my name is igor igritsky at a party. i have maria, a gypsy, polishchuk, who played ranevskaya in the series ranevskaya, this is a series about the phenomenal actress of the 20th century faina georgievna, ranevskaya hello. we are hello, glad to greet you mutually and now the name of faina ranevskaya is for well, at least for those people who, hmm, have grown up in non-soviet times , it has become such an internet meme , a huge number is attributed to her, but various expressions,
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and she has already turned from an actress into character, which is better known as aphorisms and daphorisms. i joke. in fact, it is necessary to tell about her hmm fate and career at least in a nutshell, because she is extremely non-trivial. this girl was born in 1.000 1896 in taganrog in a wealthy jewish family. her father was an industrialist, owner of factories, and steamboats. and moreover, dad wants her to marry, as i understand it, in order to combine capital for the son of her friends there, and so on and so forth. i'm not sure that this is the story about dad, who wanted to marry her off to a young man from uh, a nearby wealthy family, in order to pool capital, which is a historical
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story. they are fantasy screenwriters screenwriters. yes, i don’t remember that i read about it somewhere from the real history of the dahlia, taganrog this is my native city. chekhov was thus tied up. uh, the fate of these two people, not only as a pseudonym. and which one did fain georgievna choose later? well, how, um, she was always terribly proud that she was from the homeland of anton pavlovich chekhov, and her love for the theater, like she herself said, uh, manifested itself at the age of 5. she was, i understand, convinced that she would become a great actress. became a great actress. hmm, no doubt, but at first she led because. eh, it was still the russian empire, the life of a rich jewish girl who graduated from a gymnasium with all the attributes inherent in that time, that is, and she knew how
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to play musical instruments. pete knew languages. uh, on a stool. yes and i stuttered quite this set. she is still dependent, and, as i understand it, her family hmm in a sense, not supported her theatrical everything. ways, because for some reason, her parents thought she was ugly and compared her to her sister, who everyone, in general, considered beautiful. let me say a few words about why we are talking about this at all now, because, as you know, a biographical series has now been released, which is called ranevskaya, and in connection with this. i would just like to ask you, or is it how deeply you immersed yourself in the biography of your heroine, and i immersed myself in the biography of fain georgievna ranevskaya and read books in every possible way.
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watched the interview. actually. perhaps this is with natalya krymova and endlessly reviewed the episodes and the performance further, silence, and so on and so on, but i persistently make excuses about myself. eh, i still lay down and say. it is infinite that i did not play faina georgievna ranevskaya and played a certain character that we all fantasized together around certain starting points, which we know exactly what happened, because there is a lot of fantasy in this scenario. this work of art can be treated badly. well, eh, but just don’t demand historical accuracy from him, please. well, all the same, some features of you, at least at the beginning , some starting points there are some bits,
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for example, that she stuttered that she no of course, of course, a lot is based on her biography on the fact that we know her biography, but by no means everything is cut, but still the fact is that her family emigrated. this is a series is a fact, right? why do you think fanny, girshevna feldman, stayed out of love for art? this quite accurately, and it seems to me, this is again in some rare scraps that have survived, and from really really her words. and this is exactly what she said, and not many of these endless anecdotes and aphorisms attributed to her. somewhere she said about this, that he, well, of course, to the theater, because the theater existed not only in russia, but in the russian empire it existed in the russian
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empire. in russia, she rocked here chekhov was born in russia, that is, in fact , it seems to you that she was more likely out of love. i can i may be misinterpreting specifically to the great playwright. and the cover, i can’t take the liberty of answering uh for poing georgievna, but, for example, if you remember, again, i’ll probably refer to this all the time in an interview with krymova, when they asked her who your boss is director in life, she said alexander sergeevich pushkin who is your teacher, she said stanislavsky that is, all the people with whom she was raised, with whom she was brought up internally , it is not necessary that she was familiar with them familiar. she was not non-slavic , except for the story when she shouted to him, my dear leontief lane, and for her
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it was absolutely impossible, well, not to live on the same land with them. after the war, ranevskaya was unsuccessful. hmm, she went to moscow and was not recognized as an actress. yes there, and her stuttering was some kind of barrier. uh, by the way it's yours, how would personal here's a notion. uh, how she stutters because we can't hear. i read somewhere that she had hmm not the classic stutter, which is, well the first thing that comes to mind when you hear a person stuttering is the first thing that comes to your mind. she somehow had. otherwise, she stuttered in her eyes, so she dragged out words for a long time, and of course, no one has any audio recording of this, but if you listen very meticulously even to her age, and by talking and so on,
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you can hear somewhere the echoes of this stuttering. it’s just that over the years of working with the let’s apparatus, she learned to hide it and learned to use it in such a way that no one would notice it, but during the filming process, and somewhere, probably, for the second week of filming. hmm somehow it was abandoned. this. here is my attempt at authentic stuttering precisely through vowels, because it didn’t read like stuttering, like some kind of nonsense and a director. i remember she told me that come on this one, do it right. do it. that's how it is, how a person will habitually perceive it, and somehow it got stuck. i don’t know what happened as a result, but i remember that there was a story when we spat a little on this authenticity. and you know, when i watched these series, uh, one of my discoveries like this was that, well, in addition to the fact that you
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really somehow very much resemble faina georgievna. although hmm, i would not say that with the face, but in the way yes, your voice is very much in line with that, well, as we remember, as the fine girline said. at least when she was young in the films. it's just kind of mmm. such luck, yes, that is, you, as it were, didn’t do anything on purpose. it's just that you have such a close personal no well, i don't know. i’m talking now, i’m not trying to talk in a low bass or in some other special way, it looks like i ’m talking now, probably as much as possible, of course, you’re trying somehow on purpose right here, but i have some suspicions. it's probably the right question to ask. uh, post-production, but i have some suspicions that they were spinning something there. you think i don't know. i'm talking to you right now. i didn’t look very much myself, i can’t look at myself. absolutely. i just
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don't get it. i can't. it's a disaster. here but i watched and he knows my voice obviously perfectly. he said that it was as if in some places somewhere suddenly so once and somehow in no it 's very cool. uh, of course, the second moment, which is in this series. well, at least it didn’t surprise me a little, but when there the father says to his wife, e you this ugly, then you want to make the idiot there an actress, of course, looking at you it is very difficult to imagine what it is? well, first of all, really. i don't really agree with you. and this is, firstly, secondly, uh, the standards of beauty were categorically different. then he will say more. uh, when i entered the institute in 2001, even when i came to you at the moscow art theater with my face
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, they told me, well, where, where? by the way, there are certain canons of how a person should look to me, i kept thinking, uh, it's true, really. so it's true, really, so these canons that exist, in general, hello, on the other hand, it played. that's it with faina georgievna, some kind of cruel joke, because after all, well, in the cinema, at least, these comic old women are endless. were they couldn’t play or they didn’t let her play, uh, and could or not yes no, she could actually play anything and it’s not for nothing that roosevel said about her that she was a great tragic actress after watching the film without uh dream. and yes, and. well, she really could, but no other disclosure was given, because
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we will return to this and talk about it. why i would like us to look. some fun always. help ambulance delirium tremens delirium tremens, who is sick, i am sick margaritsilovich, leave mentally. i i saw only the first two episodes of the series, and then the trailers there are this is the role. yes? you we have not played, of course the entire film. spring we have a small stage. ah , the beauty here. this is this terrible, strong woman. what it is? how is the hat? where are you from? yes, this was sent to me from the model's house. nice, can i come?
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called the role of gifts precisely because these standards of beauty do not correspond, that, firstly, yes, secondly, uh, faming georgievna herself did not really strive for kin, but she was not very respectful, in general, she treated him. she loved the theater more and aspired only to it, and suffered that she had little work in the theater, and not in the cinema at all. well, i'm sorry, but you can't get away from the violent semitism in her face. like this. yes, of course, by the way, it’s interesting, i also don’t know the story that she didn’t play the old man from
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einstein precisely because oh lord, i don’t remember who now, but it’s even known who said it, that there can’t be a mother of the king, a jewish muzzle, it’s clear, it’s clear her life was filled with some kind of tragic inconsistencies with what was happening around, where everyone is on the wave in the victorious socialist revolution and so on made a career and so on, and faina is a dahlia. it seems that she went into some kind of internal migration , she lived all her life alone, she had, well, at the end of her life a dog, but people did not understand the boy. yes it we know from documentaries. uh, the same krymov, when she told me there was no one to leave the boy with. and who is she talking to? well, before that, it was obvious that she somehow hmm did not . eh, in accordance with everything in common here, but in rapatriotism and in this bolshevik revolution, i did not find anything. positive, as far as i understand, well
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, nevertheless, she had some roles. uh, in the movies , not like that, known as, for example, tapers from alexander parkhomenko or something else where she plays, for example, absolutely disgusting brilliantly plays with with an american accent, i don’t remember how the movie will give birth. yes, yes, and here she is, it's just fantastic. this, firstly, it is impossible to know, then she had a frau. wurst is also such a vile thing, a creature from e, german, which means she adopted someone there, to torment these unfortunate children. there are some stories here and there. she played uh, disgusting. well, cinderella is still out of time, despite the fact that schwartz is schwartz, but nonetheless. it's still out of time here. and here, as it were, quite a concrete one, well, not a cheer for patriotism, but quite
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specific to themselves, that is, these bad, these good black and white. but in general, in principle, soviet cinema differed very much in this. i don't know what she is, uh, hmm , she was loyal. i do not think that i think that she was categorically against it, but nevertheless, judging by these examples, she allowed some microscopic episodes. well, here is her famous this episode from the production of the storm. ah, where she played the speculator manka well, yes, he obviously refers to some such stamp of the soviet era. although it is ingeniously played. by the way, you were playing. we donate this one too. yes? by the way, i tried about manka in the crimean ones again, fain georgievna says how she treats such
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characters without any tenderness. well, naturally, because now it is sometimes accepted, well, to paint everything with one paint. and what happened there 100 years ago, but still it is clear that these were these events. it’s not just that all the victories and all the disgusting failures that were inherent in that time did not arise from scratch. of course, they were experienced by people, as if, as if they were their own. it's not just for there some kind of fiction, it’s clear that there were people like this manka, and i think that fain georgievna was also. everything is unpleasant with her like that. eh, as i understand it, well, internal sarcasm is very serious. by the way, what role do you like the most? here are the ones you like best. i really like everything, uh, her little bits in the movie and all her roles and i really like
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how different everything is, that is, i can't, i can't choose any one piece or one movie or something, because there are films that i have not seen at all in their entirety. i saw only these tiny episodes with uh, let's go dahlia, huh? of course, he is here, that is, such a big story that i saw in its entirety, this performance is further silence, but i can’t do this either, but i can fully say that i perceive it, the way it really was, because the theater is on you. yes, this is living art , living living, history, and, uh, and people who saw this performance said that they had to go to it 2-3-5 times, because each time it was different, each time, they played differently. different with growth and well, of course.

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