this is a step towards a further buildup of escalation, and a serious buildup of a qualitative buildup of escalation, er, a statement by some western representatives that there is nothing to worry about. eh, nothing is forbidden. e from the category. uh, munitions with combined uranium, we do not violate any conventions, but uh, still remember, what are the results of the use of munitions with combined uranium, and led to yugoslavia in iraq when tens of thousands of civilians. yes, and actually nato military personnel who used these ammunition itself with injected uranium, but suffered, and there was a sharp surge, oncological yes, and other dangerous diseases. what worries me the most.

well, this is really another step in if you want double standards when they say that there is really a certain point in using this kind of warheads, that it can be useful in terms of peaceful military effectiveness, but when russia starts to say, as you correctly noted, about the use of some other types of weapons that differ from our usual conventional, then the concern becomes very great and an immediate question arises. well, if these warheads with combined uranium are theirs, and it's okay to use, despite the fact that they give rise to environmental diseases. what is such a big problem about, if necessary, to consider tactical

nuclear charges that were developed in the west, by the way, first of all against the then possible soviet tank offensive. why, if it is possible in great britain and the english ally on ukraine is why it is impossible to consider the corresponding options e and russia, which has a significant advantage or at least let's say authority in tactical nuclear charges, you touched on a very painful topic. the fact is that in all countries, in the united states, in our country and in other countries possessing nuclear weapons , there are dozens and hundreds of normative documents on when and under what conditions nuclear weapons can be hypothetically used in response to what or in what situation? however, we must understand that the real reflex. that’s all, but its application was not

paper during the e-caliber crisis, that is, it’s already been 50 years since that moment, so now we are starting to implement it in a new way, that is, what is written with us by the americans in the french , and there is another reality. an unpleasant moment that there is a phrase attributed to it, it seems to the admiral due, uh, the creator of the concept of this air operation, when with the help of aviation you can break decisive battles, that those documents that countries sign in peacetime, can be paraphrased here concepts, including on the use of nuclear weapons. peacetime, like dry leaves in the autumn wind, fallen leaves will be blown away by the wind of war, therefore, here are those who give out various kinds of promises. who is supplying now ? the americans have decided to speed up the delivery of abrams tanks to ukraine. yes, the norwegians have already delivered, that is, a number of people are running ahead of the locomotive and trying to pump weapons to ukraine. at first they promised that these weapons

would not be delivered, then they said that they would be delivered very gradually. and here now suddenly, it turns out to be quite the opposite, and for some reason it seems to them all that it is . here thank you for this. i 'll tell you what worries me. uh, the addition of uncontrolled escalation to the possibility of uncontrolled escalation. that's just the lack of a serious normal political dialogue. wow, you know how informal effective dialogue was between during the cuban missile crisis. this is well known. and the dialogue played its part that a negotiated solution was found. but now i don't see such a dialogue, and the last thing that used to be considered acceptable in crisis

situations. this is to demonize the leaders of another country, because it generally interfered with the negotiations and the company that is being waged in this regard today is against the russian leadership. this is a complete rejection of previous diplomatic practice. but senator lindsey graham recently used. uh, the name of ronald, reagan. and how, if you want a model, how should you handle it, and with opponents with russia wanted to shoot down on this occasion, and soviet planes, if there are russian planes, sorry if there were more, but some incidents with american drones. although i must say that ron rader did not shoot down any soviet aircraft. well, here's something less known. and the router immediately after he became president was completely assassinated and he, when

he was still in the hospital, wrote a handwritten letter to brezhnev about how the two countries have similar interests, and how he would like to find an opportunity work in the soviet union and the state department objected to sending this letter and offered his own, but a much less significant person agreed to send the text of the state department, and, in addition, sent brezhnev his letter by hand. about this little known is known about this there are relevant marys but i would like to share another episode that is completely unknown. and about which i did not read it possible to talk about while its direct participants were alive in the eighty- third year. after being hit a korean airliner and there was particular

tension between the soviet union and the united states, and in moscow there were fears even that the united states would launch a preemptive strike. reagan never said a lot of harsh words about the soviet union. however, they do not directly attack the soviet leadership and, e.g., general secretary yuri andropov. this is a documented fact that it is not documented that ronaldreygan and his national security adviser bar makvin are in deep secret, without informing practically none of their closest employees decided that it was urgent to send a signal to yuri andropov that the united states was not planning any nuclear attack, and vice versa, that president reagan a would like to find

an opportunity to work constructively with andropov, about whom he knows, uh, enough, to understand that andropov is a serious and er reasonable person. and this message is after the form. uh was delivered personally by andropov and there was a corresponding answer. i don’t know what contribution this made, but if you want to normalize the situation and attitude, let's face it, they didn't become friendly in any way, and there were probably many other things that , as it were, helped moscow understand that america was not going to launch a preventive nuclear strike. but here is reagan's instinct itself. a find an opportunity, but if you want to give some constructive assurances to the soviet leader, this is in complete contrast, because what is happening today and when all these attacks

on the russian leadership are taking place. i won't even touch on the question, fair is unfairly based or based on some facts. i don't think it's founded. well, you think, it's real interferes with the search. some reasonable constructive formula in ukraine, some real opportunity to avoid a third world war , what do you think about this, i exaggerate you know, i will say now, probably some thing that a significant part of our audience will not like , you know the cold war . it always seemed to us some kind of terrible golem now, when we see how bad, uh, in ukraine a. i understand the cold war. it was a blessing when there is a cold war, when they collide, let them be indirectly equal. i think that's the main problem. this is what has been for many, many years, especially in the nineties. russian foreign policy

gave the impression that russia had nothing to fear, that there was much that could be done in russia's relations. without serious consequences , and that's it, but what at the beginning surprised the leader of western countries, then began to be perceived as a new normal. and habit is second nature. and now, when russia straightens its shoulders today. and when especially it compensates for some lack of economic and geopolitical resources, the growing relationship of cooperation with china , it seems to me that this causes particular indignation and especially, if you like, awakens the instinct of resistance not only in the united states but also in europe, but this cannot be said that this is happening because russia is so weak. this is because they are used to dealing with russia, in a certain

way. and as it turns out to be impossible, but it causes a conflict. i want to hope. what and when it will be clear that the past is the past, like the cold war. there is a past that becomes and the past that uh, but if you want, the type of communication with russia that existed in the nineties. as it becomes clear that this cannot be returned, that this is unrealistic. i would like to hope that this will not be a road to escalation, but a road to some kind of reconciliation, and on new principles i repeat not friendship, not harmony, but some kind of reconciliation, but who is called let's live and we see great things for you. thank you for this conversation and hope to see you again soon see on the program thank you and now we are going to advertising. it's

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