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kazansky on sunday on first big big bookmaker of the russian premier league and around ukraine uh professor sachs , uh one of the most famous american economists, political scientists and a person with a very , if i may say so, great scientific and moral authority, we are very glad to see you on our program. thank you very much, i am also very glad to see you dmitry when we are looking at ukraine. i have

a question all the time. why is the united states why the european countries have been able to convince themselves that it hurts them, if you want the most fundamental interests, that this is not some dispute, and regional sport is a territorial dispute between european powers. and what is this something? which poses a threat not only to european security, but if you want to democratic values ​​around the world and even, well, some say the survival of europe itself. where does such a prospect come from? where is this, if you want fury about russian actions? but it seems to me that the roots of this conflict, in fact, they need

to be looked for not in ukraine, but this is all connected with the expansion of nato by the expansion of nato, which began contrary to the promises that their time was given to gorbachev in the nineties . first, there was a wave of expansion in central europe, then at the beginning of the 2000s, several more countries, including the baltic states, romania, slovakia, slovenia , also joined nato, by and large , this conflict provoked the us desire to expand nato to include ukraine. personally , i think that this became a red line for russia oh, this war would not have started if ukraine had decided to remain neutral,

as it was under president yanukovych, but the united states participated in the overthrow of yanukovych to a new ukrainian government came to power, and it has already begun to actively promote the line of joining nato. so at a fundamental level, i believe that it was because of this that the proxy war between the united states and russia began , which is being waged on the territory of ukraine why the united states personally, it seems to me that was this the position of the us neo-conservatives? in the ninety-seventh year, that who controls ukraine, in

fact, controls the whole of eurasia, it was precisely the position of the neo-conservative leadership of the united states that led to the fact that the issue of nato expansion and ukraine's entry into nato it is because of this, i think it all started, and i would like to add one more thing, probably. the us thought they could get away with it, that russia would not react. you were just talking about this in the previous section in your broadcast. the us thought that they could do whatever they please, they are sued, and putin's president many times. warned the us the red line poses a serious threat to our security. you cannot do this. it's ok, and it was a terrible mistake.

on the part of barin on the part of the united states, this all led to terrible consequences for ukraine - this is a terrible tragedy and there is a threat of uncontrolled escalation that hangs over us every day independent state and often wrote that without ukraine, russia cannot become an empire, but just as you know, i am sure, and at the end of his life, and georgian began to write that it is desirable that ukraine does not claim to honest in nato that this is going too far and that it could turn ukraine into a bone of contention and end up being bad for ukraine itself a in private conversations. at the end of your life. uh, the georgian has already begun to say that this process is the movement of the west against

russia, that he has gone too far, that, as he said, he has become too emotional and , from his point of view, this process of rejecting russia has become a danger not only to russia but also for europe itself that's why you think uh so much uh people into the intellectual political elites of europe and the united states. why do they refuse to see? and what even such a person, not disposed towards russia, like belinsky riddle saw, is incomprehensible, why do people not remember history, why do they not see this?

why are they not able to calculate a few moves ahead to understand how the opponent will react, of course, the media played a big role here, because in america we have the new york times with the washington post and other major newspapers and tv channels nothing about this people say. they just don’t know the usa if they understood that the roots actually go much deeper, as i just explained, if they understood that in fact the usa had a hand in this, and in europe , by the way, everything is even worse in europe no one

even tries to understand the history to comprehend how it all happened. i understand this, because i myself watched everything that happened for the last 30 years, but most people just don't want to understand it. they have black and white. we are the good guys and they bad this approach is very dangerous. unfortunately , the current administration of the biden administration, which is in favor of nato expansion for ukraine's entry into nato, they participated in the overthrow of yanukovych, they participated in the maidan and then deputy deputy

secretary of state. now national security advisor. jake salman was also there and offered his hand to it. of course, i would very much like the current administration to reconsider its position, because so far they simply refuse to even talk to putin. i think this is a very dangerous approach. and the fact that so far, as far as we know, there has not been a direct conversation between president barin and president putin over the past year. i just can’t believe it, because because of this , a threat is created for the whole world, there would be some hope for understanding the real problems on both sides and there would be some possibility, then there would be such an opportunity,

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