because there are five of them, you get up while you get ready at 5:30 there by 6:00, then you move out so that you come home with such a charge to eight, in a normal state of resource, which you consider for yourself. that's the right thing to happen next. then the working cycle began, that is, well, you ate. everything you do is in the process of working. and uh. well, the fuss usually started there, that is, before the situation in 2020, as it were, a crisis, yes, yes, what are you doing at work? what do you like, when do you like it, when is, well, work in general was based on the fact that i liked to create, that is, to create, how it becomes beautiful, good, that's the emotions of people to see thank gratitude. but until the twentieth year. it can be said that i lived unconsciously, that is, the twentieth year. in fact, on the one hand it is bad, but on the other hand. he changed me and turned me around. wait , let's return to the state that

you consider to be the right resource, good, without a crisis. yes, in your work you like to create, you like to benefit people. so we came home from work, as the day goes on not a crisis. well, then i had a lot of villages in the evening, if i don’t smoke so much, where did you meet them? why , in fact, until the twentieth year, i devoted little time to the family, that is, i did not betray this value, well, they devoted a little. yes, the relationship was not formalized, but you spent little time on the wheel of life. i started going through this. after sinking to the bottom. tell alexey if i drop this folder from this height. wow what a sound louder than if i dropped it, from here, i see. from there it will be louder from here it will be louder. yes? well, obviously yes and a. the higher we lift ourselves up, right there, the more difficult it is for us to fall sick. here, you understand, if we demand ourselves as a mother, these are the accomplishments

that benefit people, which means charging for 2 hours every day we will put them in the hole. yes, getting up at 5:00 am. and if we consider all this the norm, they are a pleasure. although this. well, wait, well, in fact, this is not the norm. this is an exception. this is straight up life. well, how would this acme be, you know, here is alexey, well, first of all, in my life, a person who got up every day for what a long period at 5:00 in the morning dived into the ice hole every day for more than two hours, it’s a matter of exercises, but you exaggerate, they do very every day every day. that is the weekend. i rested. that is, i had it there, when i directly completely, directly put crosses for a month. well, it's good to get up. you still forced yourself. well that's when i started, yeah you know when you say you lay down. they slept on a bench in the park. because you are out of the bedroom that you wanted to connect with nature on this bench. until when the bums are all close overcoming yes. and why does she drive

herself, that in order to make it a habit for herself to get up in the morning, you know a very useful question. why, why, in fact, after charging , when you first overcame yourself after charging , you have a high mood state, it’s clear when you get up in the morning, it’s a long day. i mean, you don't feel, uh, the loss of time is all pro-efficiency. we believe that you really used it for yourself. the mistake is that e sight is very high. again here is 10 on the floor. this is normal life. she's good, not good. yes, i would like to go there, but if we fall here in the normal life, where someone has some problems at work, things happen. excuse me, there are crises, some general economic epidemics. from here to fall here. much sicker than from here to here. i'm not in favor of not striving there, i'm in favor of not considering that this is the norm.

this is a podcast of the psyche, where i am a journalist natalya loseva and a clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences mikhail khors we analyze the current situation associated with burnout , the search for the meaning of life. well, and other various crises of self-consciousness and the charms of the forties. if you didn't get up at 5:00 in the morning at 6:00. if your run was not an hour, not two, but half an hour, if it were not every day, how would it differ from what you did, you understand, i counted all the time. how far can i run? how much should i do? how much should i breathe? that is, i calculated all the time, that is, on my morning cycle. here, i then tried hard enough rearrange your schedule. well, of course , you can’t be in time everywhere, it’s clear that there is a failure? can i guess you in your work in the same way everything goes up. i try, uh, to change after

the twentieth year, because management yes , that's management there with its effectiveness. i didn't do this before. so, accordingly, what happened to me happened. that's because stepping from one step to another, that is, you need to acquire new knowledge. i didn't have them, actually. because of this, everything broke down in your work in your demand from myself. this perfectionism is a complete disease. yes, that is, i will say, so we became famous in our time. neat works very well, that is, in the field of finishing here works here and my hobby was to photograph this. i have all these here and i have professional equipment for this to photograph. how we made the tiles there, the lines are clear. that's all. so i, when i posted these photos, then , in principle, the same people pulled up to me, and in fact, then it was already a little later . i already understood that perfectionism is in fact, well the best enemy of the good, because yes, because it starts to turn into a disease. that is, there he has no limits. it's just the ideal. here,

again, the psychologist went there, and he told me. you know that only god is perfect . and after that, even on my youtube channel, i began to change the promises that perfectionism drives us. in fact, somewhere there under the heel under some kind, that is, and this is it. i 'm afraid even now. well, maybe, maybe, there are actually two kinds of collectivism. the first one is named after perfectionism, the one you are talking about, yes, from which it is logical, yes, he is so neurasthenic, that is, a person, he differs from healthy perfectionism in that healthy is the pursuit of perfection , striving, like a process uh-huh, and pathological perfectionism is the demand for perfection was right here and now. and how to distinguish for yourself that's how to understand? why am i not healthy anymore? a healthy perfectionist , he strives for perfection with pleasure. he thinks what else to do to make it better but does not suffer, if not so understand. and then

there's pathological perfectionism. he's downright hurt. if something is wrong, if somewhere there is some shcherbinka in the wrong place, well, in the construction there, yes, or something didn’t do something there, or someone close didn’t do something, everything is the same in the best way, or if you got up not at five, but at eight everything was there the day the day ended alexei you married masha in the end yes, with whom you went through a crisis together, and what was her crisis? you said that she is exactly the same here is the anxiety is the same. she is being transmitted. we lived in fact. how many about two years in anxiety. this is money, that is, money, money projects, that is, all the more so because of the pandemic history. and we have such a faith that we do not sell food. that is, we have all these checks, well, they are quite large, millions are measured there and people. respectively. they are clamping down. eh, more precisely, it's not what people are clamping down on to the stage, that is, responsibility. and my wife reacted in exactly the same way, i passed more calmly. well, masha

supports me. well, well, it’s true then she covered it, she works with you in companies. well, in part, i tried less and less, some, in order to use it, i was still worried. yes, not that she is all together, that is, her family helped. let's say this to me. save my company. here. and that i am very grateful to her. so, accordingly, about finances, the responsibility for her also turns out to go to a psychologist, what now? why are you still talking about the fact that i have a hard time now, and in december at the end of the year in january, in fact, i am completely and completely. it was the worst case happened these two years, that is, the immersion of the immersion of life. now this is now a burnout, it already was like that. that is

, i generally thought that i would not recover, probably not even. well, that is, attempts for 2 years, that is, to restore something. yes, i mean yes, i stopped drinking. i quit smoking. uh, what else? what about coffee? i have practically stopped drinking. i'm going to applaud you now why? and, because it was all a trigger chain to lead a healthy lifestyle. no, she just didn't. happily you understand, i have more strength. well, here what is alexei saying to me? that's what you quit smoking there drinking coffee, but you seem to know how well, quit and quit. it's okay. we must continue to strive for excellence. so it was, well, yes, here. what are you next? throw even the next thing that you throw depreciation going on your accomplishments. you know about the devalued achievement. yes, there is. i just, well , the document that i drew up for myself there before

going to a psychologist, when i had a serious condition in general. i uh had to see a psychologist and like, we are discussing something. well when you enter without recording, yes, then you are there, well, a couple of moments. you will discuss, and here i decided like this, to write down several days of anxiety, what connected it and that's it, so i came to write like this with two sheets. it was a loss of faith in one's strength. e underestimating one's achievements. that is, i can't do it that way, what others can do. that is, it's just there . in general, such a complete disappointment in oneself absolutely turns out. and by the way, by the way, then observation. uh, when i wrote it all down, then i wrap it around here, look, damn it, this is not the same idea, just now i don’t have any record of my achievements. and well , what i have is for some reason i do not appreciate it. uh-huh well , by the way, they recommended me, of course, to do it. well, taking into account the achievements, but unfortunately i did not admit that these achievements you have already achieved, that this is not a fig not enough. you understand that it is not necessary to run

somewhere further and it is necessary to achieve something again, what you describe to us in a state of crisis. people do not achieve this , people, on the contrary, lose it all. you see for some reason. here alexei is on. here this mechanism of soul-searching is completely different from the infinite. it doesn't seem very manageable to me. is it by itself. this is not a pathology. this is what the network is to write to yourself, then these lists, which i did not satisfy. he is thirst thirst efficiency some kind of gluttony. that's it within the framework of efficiency very precisely very exact word. i wanted to see a psychologist. tone, that is , i noticed that the previous visits we made between such half-empty work was a fully paid psychologist's fee. it is for you a list of two sheets, sitting, deal with me again that the thirst for efficiency is, well, not that it's just bad, and not good either.

but when this prevailing personality trait becomes, we become insatiable in this sense, and we do not see the value of what we are striving for, because we have, as it were, achieved, but this is not enough, this is not enough, and you had some episodes of your life now or a long time ago, when you were just unconditionally happy. you know, you just dropped a drop for the topic of being here now. well that's it which i didn't have. actually never in my life. well, not that, well, never in my life, probably, so to speak, it’s difficult, probably, in childhood it was, yes, it probably was, but to remember in the camp. somehow it may be, but it always turns out three toys. he gave the bike to you brought the girl to you uh smiled once kissed the girl. for the first time such acoustic systems are attached. ah, i brought it home. my uncle gave them to me connected, i'm like an amplifier, and when my floor of the house

shuddered. that's when i was for real happy, and remember this state. yes, yes, and when did masha say that she was pregnant? how is it yeah, by the way, you know how, well, a child. this is the moment of two years.