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given the first. would you like it like this. me as a child. do not remember? when you were little, when you were born with me , you indulged yourself so a little with a pen . then my mother saw and said, do not draw on it. i asked why she says it is very harmful. i ask her what to die? maybe mom, right? when you go , you said something to get rid of me, so that he wouldn’t draw for you, then your mother went to the store, and

i painted you. not performed you are harmful, you were screaming all the time tore, lena you understand that my death is now on your conscience. against the backdrop of full health, just

like that. and it turns out you don't need lena. that's how endors are. don't don't don't this is bad wrong no no no no no no so what are you going to do now? hello schrödinger's cat podcast and i'm its host grigory tarasevich, editor-in-chief of a popular scientific magazine, which is also called schrödinger's cat, and today we 'll talk about time. and we have a wonderful guest psychologist tatyana berezina, professor

of the department of extreme psychology of the moscow state psychological and pedagogical university. hello tatyana , hello there is time in all sciences. here is theology before physics. but since we will talk not only about the essence of time, but also about how to manage physics, we will not touch it. there are a lot of good things. and i recently came across a study about biological and psychological time, which was done by scientists from the university of liverpool. they studied how people perceive time during isolation about tatyana’s view of how covid changes time, like any other epidemic isolation. deprivation, what does it do to our time? but the fact that time changes during isolation is a fairly well-known fact. the only question is how it changes . there were studies when people volunteers were naturally placed in an isolated

room, where they did not have a change of day and night, there were no social contacts, nevertheless there was something to do. hobby some interests food, and they had to somehow manage their time. well , the first study was generally very strange. showed that in humans, uh, the rhythm becomes not 24 hours. a 48. that is, they slept for about 12 hours, and were awake for 36 hours. although they seemed to lead normal lives, the second study had a more natural option. yes, it turned out that they somewhere had a rhythm of 25-26 days 25-26 hours. so, isolation, including social e, has a very strong effect on time, we adapt not only to the sun, but also to society, to some kind of social rhythms to social life, and covid has deprived us of such an opportunity, deprived

opportunities to adapt to such a familiar social rhythm morning, work transport. i think that for some reason time e was stretched, that is, a day a day proved to be longer. but you know what i'll tell you. this is generally quite natural for a person. pay attention people on vacation. they, as a rule, have a daily daily regimen that is also stretched. they sleep longer, stay up later and sleep longer. that is, essentially. if they start by getting up, for example, as before, let's say everyone has hours, then the end of the vacation, they don't go anywhere, vegetable lifestyle. they will sleep until 12:00. more that is. they sleep longer , get up, stay awake longer, and stay up even later. well, i remember my experience of the pandemic, and for me it is a little, probably different from the rest. it seemed to me that time was somehow sluggish for you, some

liquidish. every day is like another. here, i got up no events no meetings no upheavals. and can he manage his perception of time at all ? would be good. tell me how it is now. here. you, when you remember it, but it's been two years, it turns out, it slipped very quickly. this is just characteristic of psychological time. eh, in fact, when our time is not full of events, it seems to us that it stretches slowly, that it is stretched out, that the day lasts a very long time, and then, when we remember it, but it seems that it slipped through not so here is such a phenomenon, when time is not saturated, then while it goes, it seems very long, and memories, it it seems to slip, and as if it were not there, therefore, in principle, but in order to stretch time, we need to saturate it

with events. but then the opposite will happen to you. the day will be missed and , on the contrary, it will seem that the day is running very fast, that you just woke up. it's already evening , subjectively. you say the day has passed. i didn't notice the reminder, we'll be as busy as the big ones, probably, that's the only thing we can do when we want to stretch the time. we need to saturate it with events, and then in our memory, it will be saturated with more one problem that i'm sure is facing. many of this procrastination is a word already known to everyone, postponing did for later. where is she getting it from? why do we tend to put off something difficult? happened since childhood, what needs to be done, on the contrary, in fact, this can really be connected with the type of time. imagine that you took soup with meatball soup , that you eat meatball soup first. here some people eat

the meatball first, it's tasty, and then the soup, other people eat the soup first, and then they eat it. meatball. well, some people eat everything together. these are people oriented to the past to the past. they eat the meatball first. that is, they try delicious first delicious people, future-oriented delicious meatballs leave for later first eat. well, the real one from those who eat a piece of this and that, in short, uh, tend to put off the unpleasant, for later those who eat the meatball first. tell me about our time. how much more common is procrastination than before, when there was a more structured day, harder work, before our time was run by someone else bosses family after all. if you take it like that, uh, childhood. yes, mom wakes up in the morning, go to school at school, calls, then you come

home, let's say even mom meets you here to take into account. well, or there you can take at least a serf working at a factory, that is, the organization of this time was controlled by someone external. and now, in general, if the state of society is good enough, people would be partially free from external coercion, but still they turned out to be and now we can manage our own time. well, not everyone can do it. and how to win? forgive nassation, how to manage time? well, like i said , it depends. the type of person, in fact, it is difficult to change your type, but firstly, and it is desirable to know him in order to know your peculiarity, and secondly, well, probably by training, like everything else by creating a clear daily routine, in general there are many different ways fight procrastination. for example, i read here the most profound - is, of course, generally understand why you do not want to do it? why did something become a delicious meatball, and

something tasteless soup, because how do you live, if you have so much tasteless soup, i like soup with soup. and as a metaphor, maybe a person's life is well arranged to the end, that he chose such a metaphorical court for himself, where a small tasty meatball and such a large pelvis of tasteless soup float, which must be eaten through force. well, such a tasty decision needs to be changed, where he puts the tasty, whoever tastes delicious at first will put it off, well, it’s difficult and unpleasant for later can increase the amount of delicious. eh, but it's already change your life so that fewer events of action cause disgust for the desire to postpone, you understand, such things will always be in our lives. yes, i once wanted them, they will always be, but not so much, when let's say 8 hours of work. it's this tasteless soup, and 5 minutes at the bar is a meatball. well, it seems life has not settled down, in fact. that's it. here is the regulation. there is also one interesting

moment, for example, you have two things that you do not want to do to clean the apartment and write a thesis. well, you don't want to write a diploma anymore, but here's the time you can fill with cleaning the apartment. so you, too, could not force yourself to clean the apartment. and so at least a way to force yourself to do a less unpleasant thing, you really will do it, but in general it’s bad or good to do nothing. why do we think that this is bad, because our body is programmed to do what we should do, a person is predisposed to where the activity should be. to do this is equal to work to play sports to run. whatever, otherwise he will feel badly guilty. or something else, yes? we, as well as win this feeling of guilt, start doing something, well, or accept, that you can do nothing. it is very difficult to accept, but, of course, you can accept it, but you understand what an organism is. and that the body needs physical

activity, endorphins are released during rest. of course, i have an appeal, an appeal to all our listeners to try at least 15 minutes a day , do nothing, do not read, do not watch smartphones, do not work, do not go, do not move. here sit down to do nothing. fine? not 15 minutes. it's unbearable 5 million, 3 minutes. try it. i 'll try it too. honestly. here is today and here is 15. do nothing. well, yes, it's a good experiment. i also advise, but i would like to supplement it. we are now working on a problem, just the management of time by biopsychological time. in short, we are now conducting an experiment. we are looking at how daytime sleep affects health, various components of physiological psychological health and about which

i have several volunteers who agreed to sleep during the day, just we started talking about fifteen minutes, well, 15-30 minutes. it's not like that, sorry. it's not just sitting there doing nothing. and lie down, relax , close your eyes, remove all thoughts. that is , you just don’t think them verbally, at least don’t think, that is, don’t talk about yourself. you can images, let them go. well, first of all, the first question. is it possible to fall asleep from such a second question? how does this affect a person? we have already summed up the first results, which means, firstly, it is very difficult to force yourself. even those who, maybe for 15 minutes lie down relax close your eyes just lie down, if you cannot fall asleep your task is to lie down for 15 minutes, by the way, it is interesting from the point of view of biological control. as it is right, after 15 minutes people wake up on their own or open their eyes, that is, as if

this rhythm is 15 minutes. yes, he is a person through him almost always wakes up. you can then fall asleep again, if you want, well, and secondly, yes, i have already said the first fact that it is very difficult to force. why does this person point out that these 15 minutes, here they are, well so needed. and when he lies down, he wants to think about something, and thoughts. it seems to him that his own are so important that, well, how not to think about it, and then yes, we want to see influential health. i have already said that there are only pensioners who either work at 1:00 a.m., or do not work, or people who work in such a relatively free mode, but i, of course, basically prepared this technique for pensioners. yes, let's start with the disadvantages, i will say the disadvantage. first some shorten the night's sleep to sleep day this is wrong. well, that is, if you usually slept at eight, but still it is desirable to oversleep those eight, and during the day for another 15 minutes , just those who greatly reduced night sleep,

they complained that they began to feel tired. well, this is like a minus, so i recommended everyone not to cut. night sleep, yes, then it is more difficult after a day. what's good? well, the experiment continues until we have a small number of people showing from what they said, no one got sick this winter , no one caught a cold. seriously. i decided that this can be considered as an improvement in immunity. well , of course, you need large samples, but let's get back to those who want to manage time. ugh look. we talked about time during the day there months. and let's talk about time management throughout life. here, young adults, the elderly, they perceive time differently or in the same way, but this is such a classic question. yes, the question about the perception of time, in principle, the classic answer is known to it, that in childhood, time is stretched out slowly for a child’s day.

this is eternity in youth. it, well, usually flows, and with old age it accelerates to an old person. it seems that i just opened my eyes in the evening and the days slip by without noticing. and besides the fact that you need to saturate the days, well, our advice, we still need to understand that it is the perception of time that changes, and there are two answers to this question. why? well, with age , time accelerates, one psychological another, i would say biopsychological uh, the classic version suggests that we perceive time differently, because we we compare it with our life a child at 5 years old for him another year has passed. this is 20% of his life, and for a person, let's say at 100 years old , this is only 1% of his life. that is, it will be accelerated for him, but 20 times the time , because you are comparing life expectancy

, this is actually a good answer from the point of view of time management, yes, well, it remains to somehow compare time not with life expectancy . but there is another study. 2 years were spent in japan. in my opinion back we have neurons in parietal cortex, which is responsible for the perception of time. and with age, these neurons, as it were , get tired, slow down, stop being excited, and , accordingly, fewer human neurons begin to participate in the perception of the time period. as a result, for him, time accelerates less than the neurons that perceive time, and then in old age , on the one hand, the phenomenon arises that time rushes, and on the other hand, it becomes difficult to have time to do something in a short period. if earlier, for example, i was going to work in 15 minutes. that is, not now it turns out for 15 not because you

get tired faster not because the body is sick or something else just doesn’t work out for many , but why i was going to do it in 15 minutes earlier. and now, well, i can’t for 15, but the rest remains. well, this is considered and is due to the fact that the perception of time has changed. now these 15 minutes are for you, as is again. well, subjectively, yes, and you don’t have time for these. although, in principle, i could do it. what to do with it. if you take the biopsychological concept, because maybe it's sadder, yes, then it turns out that you need to teach neurons not to get tired. and this is the question, how not to grow old? or how to rejuvenate? there is no answer to it yet, but another option in old age is considered to increase such an indicator as awareness of life, awareness, mindfulness. well, such an indicator, you need

to use this awareness for time management. that is, it turns out self-control. that is, you control yourself during these 15 minutes, in order to meet the deadline. but many people have some kind of aging plan. here i will be 60-70. god bless 80 what am i going to do, how is she? owl my life. i think that people do not have such a plan, and even pensioners who have retired have no such plan, and there were such studies. but if you take a younger age, you know, there were still old studies. until what age do people imagine their life? that is, this is how they see how it seems to them for them and imagined it at the age of 18. well, like up to 25. interestingly, at 22 , it’s also up to 25. that is, this is such an inflection point, but apparently, people do study

there, and at 25 represented up to thirty. i talked with some people and asked, yes , what did you represent someone. a lot of us assumed something like this until the age of 30, i'll live, and then i'll die. why continue to live after 35. there has already begun an expansion already there 40 50 to 60. well, as it were, people already, but this point is such an inflection point. yes, but it turns out that somewhere people represent before retirement, but there, but they didn’t represent anything there, there was no program , there was no plan for occupancy, so i have an appeal to our viewers and listeners. imagine that you are 80, what will you do, how will you live in order to be happy and feel the richness of life. although? and you have such a plan, after all, for an indiscreet question. well , i'm probably like and most people don't really think about what i'm going to do specifically after 8-10. for some reason it seems to me oh listen, we have a project. i am

doing it now, and here we have developed a methodology for estimating the expected retirement age. there are several questions first question. eh, let's say yes? at what age? uh, well, the representatives of your gender retire to call the second what time you plan to retire, the third question there. when would you ideally like to retire? what time would you like well here is the minimum option, when you want to at what time is the maximum five questions considered average know what is interesting, people are divided into two, like some want to retire as quickly as possible, that is, they will have, well, small , retirement expected retirement age, asked ideal ideal would like to be retired, there to leave at 20, while others want to delay those who want to go early. this is freedom for them. i'll go out and do nothing. yes, and those who want to work longer, right?

for them, it's, well, work until retirement age, health. well, and what is a pension such a resignation? well, like, yes, that is, i will live until if i retire at 80, then it means that i will live to 80 and be in good health at 80. well, there are not so many of them, but here i am, heh, i’m just i belong to his type, which these are going to retire is not going to 10 years. i will also live, but after 8 months. but who knows, and let's move from old age to the childhood of the young. here, did people really begin to grow up later or does it seem so, for example, the world health organization recently completely expanded the boundaries of adolescence , before there were teenagers. you know, this is actually very interesting. if we take there the periodization of adolescence in the year known to our psychologist. yes, he had, in my opinion, uh, adolescence ended at 14-15 years old. if you take

psychologists, already at the end of the twentieth century, then there were older adolescences of 16-17, some authors of 18 wrote no. and if it's here, it means the world health organization. they were 21 years old, and now 23-24 is the end of adolescence. so something that well , growing up is delayed and a certain adolescence is preserved. what about a teenager? why teenage yes they are teenage hair? how is a teenager different from a young man? well, in principle , not independence. he needs tutelage in the help of a teenager - this is in general some infantilization search for oneself and , accordingly, some need for support, while he himself and i think that this is already first, who left the parental family, distancing or living independently while still young, but now he is already independent. so the fact that

adolescence has expanded is that it has expanded all the time of adolescence searching for oneself. well, independence and the need for support are not such a social feature, firstly, people learn before this age. they are not independent. yes , secondly, such is the solution, as it were, too, for everyone the world of healthcare organization. you know, i think it's right. this corresponds to the biological development of man. we will assume that the person is, well, undergrowth so immature until then. while the formation of the body of the brain. well , the higher case of the cortex develop and finally form somewhere in 22 23 24 at 25 according to some sources. recall everything

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from the point of view of extreme psychology, what is time they say, when a person is in some kind of terrible situation , time falls or flies there, in general, it is completely compressed to the point that you can remember all your life or not does this effect work or is it a myth do you think it compresses? maybe we call it stretched? well, it stretches all the time , i get confused. exactly. yes, you noticed that not only you are confused, that is, this is our specificity in the perception of time, whether it is stretched, or it is compressed. that is , it turns out, either accelerated, or visibility. there we confuse it ourselves, but i conducted a purely subjective survey of people in extreme situations, and they were just talking about the fact that time is stretching as you like, yes or accelerating, but the prophet seemed to them that the man was talking about he was in the building. it doesn't matter the explosion. and then a chandelier falls on him, and he

looks. it falls off the ceiling. and then she flies towards him. and now she is approaching, but he felt no less he could not move his body, but it seemed to him that a huge amount of time had passed. he saw cracks on the ceiling there, anything, though he couldn’t move. it turns out that some people do. yes, subjectively, time stretches , accelerates, what you want to do, but it is done more the task is to be able to squeeze in more not only perception, but also actions, something that can save you, some say that they succeeded. well, it reminds a little of the plot from the matrix when the bullet flies and the heroes dodge it, remember in the film, but look, is it not for everyone that many people choose some extreme risky behaviors, it doesn’t matter. i'm here hotspots jumping rocks or something else to increase their time, they increase after such an experience. first, all this

their day this they have stretched and remembered and vacation, if they did, here's a vacation, well , this is an extreme situation itself. she, maybe 5 minutes flew for them is an hour, well, when it’s not 5 minutes, but 5 months, probably , in general, some kind of big life turns out when you take risks all the time, when something threatens you, you know, if take people of extreme professions, there are those who are, well, a hobby, i can’t say, but a study of representatives of a special-risk profession was also carried out by other people after that, after their work they have. in general, in relation to people leading non-extreme professions , their biological age has increased time, that is, they have grown old with age. but what wears out after all the neural metabolism ? well we look it's biological

age. uh, the organs of the body will become obsolete, where the indicators that are in the biological age include the heart and breathing metabolism . well, in general, we don’t like it, because we would like, yes, to do it all the same. it was like something addictive. i've been doing some more research. well, it's like this lung. in a sense, if desired , anyone can check it. i looked at the life expectancy of the astronauts and it is clear that they all had perfect health. i compared those who flew into space and those who did not fly , those who flew, lived longer, who experienced all the same training loads, well, for the cosmonaut squad, there is a risk, but they did not accomplish their feat. it's not about physiology. more like something about meaning. here, apparently, when people accomplish a feat that is personal for them until they achieve it, which are supported by society, but