time began to understand that she aroused in me a feeling of sympathy and interest. and it began to take on more boundaries in me. i understood that i wanted to spend time with her, no more. and somewhere since 2016 already, when i moved to this city for a while. i took off trying to spend more time with her to walk somewhere. just be there for her. but it was still friendship or it was already a relationship. uh, it was probably feelings that happened in me, but it didn’t get to something serious yet, because i was busy just by the fact that to settle down in the city of druzhba, how long it lasted until the very last moment, when everything ended in 2022, you were friends with him for almost 10 years. yes, and at some point, probably about five or six years , not only friendly feelings came from me, which means only friendly feelings came out, just to be friends already, as we would like. already love to look after giving gifts shows signs of attention just to see how a person rejoices at some insignificant surprise,

so that you can be fueled by these emotions, and you began to take the initiative. yes, i began to come to the city more often and at each visit i looked for a moment, looking for an opportunity to see her. she was happy. that is, she was not happy? no, of course she was glad, but the first reaction was surprise. this is 3 seconds in the eyes , these 3 seconds are incomparable emotions. then they stretched out in memories for a very long time. at first, she scolded me a little so that they say, well, you shouldn’t have come. why are you wasting your time? well, as it were, she made it clear that she was not very comfortable when i unexpectedly, and i just took the fact that i tried to come suddenly. that is, she once showed you that they were comfortable , she showed that they were comfortable, and you still continued to come all of a sudden. surprise, uncomfortable precisely in the sense that i changed her plans a little, that is, not in such a way that i and her immediately deteriorate there, there is no mood, how would she then rebuild for me. that is,

that's right, never coming. there was no more need for this. he says it wasn't worth it. so were you in a relationship or not? i i didn’t understand who was strongly in love , they say that a woman either loves or allows herself to be loved. that's probably in our case, she allowed herself to love more. you do not know hugged lay down in bed you do not, no bed. i’m like a person, i’m like a person who is a little bit old, probably conservative, that somehow i didn’t strive for this , that is, it’s not important for me. it was important for me to take a walk with her to see her. here's how to chat. that's from finding a person nearby because you hear his voice. you hear him laugh. you see his smile, it added such emotional impulses, which then allowed, well, not to move mountains, but somehow to do something more serious, more significant in your life, in order to show some emotions and realize yourself on some new

friend the level of these 10 years. you had some other girls. in terms of just chatting or something more romantic. but i myself am a romantic person to me in this regard, i somehow liked the girl. i want to give flowers. i the girl was in your city in parallel . hmm well, no closer than yes, because some kind of acquaintances. it was all insignificant, because they did not give the same impetus. and she, your beloved, had a lot of people, as far as i know, there were some, but hmm, during our communication, it boiled down to the fact that she got rid of them herself. that is, i asked, honestly speaking, if someone appeared, you tell me how it is and you will be comfortable, and i will know and this will not create misunderstanding between us. how you are far from each other i lived, i lived in naberezhnye chelny and i live, she moved from bugulma to kazan between us between us

travels. yes, well, well, maybe you talked to her, showed your desire, that you would like to get close to her? don't know. maybe you proposed marriage to her. i even know that albert went to meet his parents. somehow it didn't work out very well there. yes , it didn't work out very well there, but i probably will . she originally had understanding to make a career for yourself and only then these already family obligations and responsibilities, so i am in the form of this and understanding her that she is saying this. i understood that okay, a person does not strive, does not see himself in this and impose this is his own. let's try something more serious, because it's not worth it yet. here, and about the fact that well, yes, there was such an idea to go to meet my parents. i learned the address learned through there. and acquaintances somehow came, you did not ask. she has permission when they decide get to know the parents. she said that she went to her parents and she got sick there. i decided to come and visit. well, in principle, it

is so sudden, as you did before . well, a person, when he gets sick with chickenpox, he is treated at home. well, maybe she didn’t want to see anyone, but i didn’t know about this anymore, i arrived, and as it turned out, she wasn’t there anymore. i managed to get acquainted with her dad, mom, did not find. well, then the story took shape. already a little tragic, and she had already come to the city to say goodbye to him, that is, dad died some time later. yes, it literally took about three weeks. and what happened after that? i immediately, of course, came to her. and there was no longer the fact that she was uncomfortable, for some time we began to communicate more, and we somehow had such an undulating communication. that is, somewhere it’s good, somewhere right, very somewhere she said that come on, bye. this is a little limited communication. what is good. what are you saying, somewhere is good somewhere in the sense that somewhere we could walk, that is, despite the fact that i arrived and could disrupt her plans, that is, she could quit all their affairs to postpone everything.

let's spend the evening together, you and me, and the whole world just doesn't exist anymore, that is, that's the feeling i had, that is, by that i mean it happened well, when all this was after we had already met. that is , later, there for 2-3 years and everything ended. so it turns out in march last year and a year has passed and you and i you can let go. yes, this image is a memory of this girl. you will not be able to other girls not to the left or to the right. have a desire to take care of someone take care of someone. i tried to find myself in this city in my own. yes, i did. i succeeded relatively, but my problem is that i come. i'm in kazan on a business trip. i can no longer, because i see obsessive passion everywhere, memories can. whether it's even a possession i don't know, but that's exactly the problem. you said, notice mikhail yes, i didn’t hear, maybe

you heard you, in this whole story, strangely enough, i didn’t hear the girl, that is, this whole story that i now hear from albert this story about him. he came, he wanted, he walked, he imagined. that is, it’s like you know such a story in which it’s not a couple, not two, but only you, or is it normal when a person talks about relationships like that in the first person, it’s normal, but the question was there a relationship? that is the question? how did you know it was over? i felt it in myself so it happened that i did not catch her at work. i left a bouquet of flowers and came the next day to give a gift that i was preparing. well, let's just say with heart and soul he is, as it were, names suspension. when she saw, she said that, well, you will find yourself another elena, you will give her elena and this at that moment is all, it’s just that some more attempts burst inside me, but to seek communication. i don't want it. so

you are now 33 years old? yes, your relationship began, when you were a little over 20 years old, well, all your maturity met. your growing up has gone through this relationship with her presence in my life. yes, yes, her presence in my life, it was , as it were, well, the system was forming, but it was important, while i did not come, everything equals the feeling that there was no answer there. yes, that is, there was no dialogue there. or at least you haven't heard. yes, you suddenly came and made gifts. you came up with some kind of romantic path of your own, but from your story i don’t hear or feel her movement towards her. well, besides the fact that she agreed somewhere, uh, to take a walk with you. and now you have lived in this fictional world for more than ten years. have spent a lifetime of their emotional strength of their time

and money assuming. yes, what are they, we have so does not really fix in the material world, like money. and you are devastated now. this relationship is over. they can't find anything else for themselves , i don't even know, it seems to me what to do. here you understand a girl older than you was an ad. she was six months younger. somewhere, probably, about 17 years old from 18, i got the impression that i was communicating with girls who are older than me, that is, i just want a common language was much easier. and when i met her at all and only went first in general, i was very surprised at myself, because how is it so that the girl , to whom i was for half a year, was able to interest me so much that i just wanted to see myself, only with her she at least once once asked you herself, that you come or you go somewhere let's go for some well , a minimal meager initiative. well, for

so long, it's probably hard to say. well , maybe somehow unobtrusively she is. well, when i lived in kazan and she understood that it was for me to come. it will not be 4 hours on the road 4 hours back for the sake of there from one and a half to two hours. yes, some, in my opinion, the cases were that there are plans for the evening. let's just walk. it was at the beginning, probably, when albert was 16-17 years old. er, first of all, what you told us. it's just a clear, the story of how one person needs a relationship to another - no , well, it's directly unequivocal. moreover, we see it from the outside, that you constantly thought in your head about what your beloved, uh, thinks about you, so let's start with your phrase that she, of course, was glad to meet you. it is your opinion. they understand here. this is a very typical error. there is in our relations with other people that we decide for other people. what are they thinking there.

you understand, but tell me, please, how to find out without even knowing. well, at least roughly verify what the other person thinks of you. what does he feel for you? there are two ways, the first way is according to the words that the person says, and the second way is by deed, probably, deeds, while from your story only your actions are visible, which can be regarded as an interest in another man. here her actions were not visible. actions were not words. i will therefore do it. well, when, let's say, she scolds me a little and scolds me, then what, well, i shouldn't have come. it was not necessary to spend money, maybe she was. and you thought so you know out of courtesy such oh well, what are you, what are you, why did you come? oh don't come, so she said or she was really annoyed honestly. here it is, honestly, more to the version that you voiced, which is not. no, no, first what? here you go. well, you didn't have to

because when a person is annoyed, he can be there, i don’t know how to hit the decision to say, i ’m like get out, not every girl is. not everyone can do it. and what about your mom? what is my relationship with my mother? yes? mom and i are very good, but it’s true that mom came here with you. yes, my mother has not been in moscow for a long time. i just came to moscow, yes, and as i would say, there is an opportunity. let's go together. albert listen. well, everything is already. well, come on, you're her well , forget it. let me introduce you. here beautiful girl. there, aunt masha's daughter, in this regard, introduce your own to someone. this is what we never had. no, my mother decided that i would say from the side how i see it, but to get in and as she saw. yes , she must be somewhere. almost at the very beginning, when exactly, i returned after kazan , somewhere around 17-8, i said, look around. that is, she sees that i'm driving, that

i'm worried, that i'm worried, but it was these emotions that i received from moving to her that such lines in kazan they hmm moved ahead of me, that is, even in terms of creativity , some began to appear, with progress in terms of work, a lot began to turn out. and how would i understand that maybe not a direct connection, but some moments that i get it all live, right? did you imagine that you live with her, you have a common life there, you give away your dirty socks? why is she uh, there she fries you scrambled eggs in the morning and wakes up nothing son and maybe even with bad breath you yourself. all this was represented by a supporter of what if you want to see a beautiful real girl to see her in the morning , when she woke up. so, if you see her like this in her natural form, if you accept this image and fall in love with you . here is the presence of marafet cosmetics - it

will not be any at all once prepared for a birthday. i arrived, i caught. here is a person who has just woken up, and i see that she was really glad for you, but in this form she was surprised, because, well, it’s not easy she shouldn’t do that. that's why she was surprised. here, well, no it's worth visiting women, especially when they, well, don't show much to you. you should not come to them early in the morning, when they are unwashed , unkempt , not ready, when they feel unprotected in this form. and in myself, yes, and so that she understands that i can rely on this person. yes, it’s not worth it, uh, fill her up with surprises, especially, oh, which she

she tells you, you don’t have to do it politely, but speak. and can i now say one cruel thing now so his five minutes of cruel things. you know what happens to girls. well, don't be offended now. i'm not talking about you now. and about what kind of relationship models there are. so, when one girl has some kind of young man in love with her, completely and indifferent, and he is for her, you know, like a clockwork toy in order to tell her friends. listen, well, if you come like this again, door to me called at seven in the morning seventy grew up, gave it to you, you understand, and this is what it is for a triop, to sit with the girls and tell. well, why didn’t this fool of yours show up, you understand? i don't want to hurt you now. i just want you to look a little. what realities can there be, yes, and analyzed whether this was such a western therefore, you could annoy her, but you didn’t show it in plain sight, because, well, this too, well, it’s cool, yes, there is such a lover, so i

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a podcast of the psyche and our guest is albert khafizov, who suffers from a girl, with which, as it seemed to him, he was connected by a ten-year relationship, she said in the process of this in relation to yachts, yes , some clear things. no, or she all the time , somehow, uh, tried to flex incomprehensibly. not here. she tried to express herself more flexibly, but here, uh, that's why my opinion is that you clearly didn’t come, they said so lena, here i am albert i have been caring for you for 5 years. i want a relationship of sex. there male female wedding children. it's all there. i want a mortgage. please answer me a question. do you want or not?

you said such things to her, but you didn’t say such things, because that’s why she clearly doesn’t tell you anything either. and why not say, i saw that her career is more important, wait again. you have decided for her. it was visible. no, you are wrong. this can only be an assumption of a hypothesis, but the assumption of a hypothesis needs to be checked, and besides, it’s not at all necessary in the modern world that you know makes a clear choice for a girl or a career or a family everything fits together perfectly. and if she needed a career, as you say, you might as well say, dear. listen, come on, and i will cover your rear so that you can develop there. let's do it. yes, it is not clear career is more important, this is a big question, but what is becoming clearer? yes , all this is not what she needed. what didn't she need? they are needed. you were her , she didn't need you, you know? that's right, well,

you can see 10 years of courting. can i ask you a question. this is the extent to which you have advanced, so to speak, in well, in some kind of bodily relationship, so you walked hand in hand, kissed, did not hug. they don't even. well here is the element, which, by the way, was very important to me. that is, i'm hmm, then for this year i just didn’t get acquainted with anyone. that's how i hugged her. i couldn’t hug anyone else, that is, it’s exactly in this one, just like bodily contact, now on natalya to show how you hugged her, well, it begins. so what? let's all lead it in a hug. that's when i realized that now i could hug her for the last time, and we would not see each other again. i always hugged, so uh, squeezing tightly, that the bones of plants. well she behaved at that moment did not try

to escape. at least she hugged, maybe she once laid her head on your shoulder. i don’t feel this , you understand, it was important to exchange her so much that this person was important for me at parting, if she didn’t respond, i didn’t betray this. she may have hugged. maybe she somehow here is how to knock out the head again, no matter how i feel, because here is a person who was important to me. maybe this is the last time, maybe her i won’t see it again when it was the last time, yes, there were flowers with these flowers with tea decorations, it was set and they would have to leave the table at work and leave a large bouquet. as i understand it, yes, but not small, dear, probably important. well, the most important thing is that i wanted to give just such. and why did you want it, what did you just want to give or was it an offer? maybe you thought to do and or a somehow here is something important. i just haven't given her flowers in a long time. i decided that if i come and there is an opportunity to see her, my

her bouquet of flowers stood a little longer, so that he was beautiful, pleasant, to see when he saw him in the morning. he just cheered me up, it doesn’t matter that it’s from me, not from me, it’s important that she feels that, well , it’s more important for women, then she understands that she is being looked after again , you decide for her that it’s more important for her before there was no situation to make you think, maybe it's time to finish after all. well, yes, before this episode with the jewelry that i rejected, no, there was no feeling, because if it had not passed, i want michael's opinion hear, because national because it seems to me, it's all the same. i'm sorry, it's not normal what was not. yes, there were no sensations, because there was no relationship. and you yourself came up with something here this image is a dummy. eh, your love of your feelings, even on your part albert was not,

but interest in continuing this relationship. you somehow froze them at the level of the candy-bouquet period of courtship. these yes have not even entered this period yet , just courtship and that's it. here you have been told something. here's a little no. and you on it level at this distance and began to live. there it is very important to go through it no, but take the first step the second third and even then they would clearly tell you, either yes or no, what mistakes he made. that is, did he even have a chance, i understand that now without e, the second heroine. it is difficult for you to judge this story, but nevertheless, did he have any chances at some point in three years. and of course, i think that what was 2 3 4 years. here are these, but sighs are no longer relationships. yes, you haven't progressed an ounce in these relationships, and i don’t understand what can actually develop in 10-12 years. well , except for the strengthening fantasies.

well, if in 2-3 years he took some right step. he wanted to win her. he is ready to see in curlers in the morning what he could do. so, it was necessary to offer limbs, for example, well, some serious hard ones. with kiev actions, but what were they afraid of the proposal to do? well, you never know what she thinks, maybe that she doesn’t need it , you can’t see it, but you definitely wanted to marry her. i had an understanding that there is no with her, wait, you wanted to marry her. well, honestly, right? no more honestly yes, honestly, well , because without it honestly, yes or no. yes? yes, well, yes or yes, yes. 2.000 there 17, when 2 years have passed and there was an understanding that if we continue to walk closer

to each other, what understanding on the basis of what was it? no, that's the step to propose. so, that is, i saw that my presence in her life is not particularly important to a person, so somehow it didn’t stop me, that, well, once we us we on our offer will be answered from refusals. we are all we proposed to get married in the seventeenth year. i saw that i don't need her no, wait. you said what phrase to our proposal to answer her. well, my head and heart, but, in my opinion, i was aware , they said the situation there, it was no, my mother said, if you see it, try it, and my mother just went to the side, yes, i caught it. no, she didn't push any side you tried. i saw that a person is not needed. i did not try, because her reaction is somehow talk about what listen and how let 's try, if here together, then somewhere either in

kazan or in what ah, what let's move somewhere together. i had an idea that if she agrees, and we will arrive in chelny where she will be your thoughts. you understand, i kept saying you said alberta come on dear. i will marry you and make a commitment. here's my salary. here 's the pin code for my card. here, uh, i take out a mortgage or i rent an apartment. this is where you will work. well, that's what a woman expects from do you understand men? not those weird andromeda nebulas that's around. yes , dear, i take your hand. we're going to the registry office here. i love you so much. yes, you even in bed, no, no matter how you drag it, well, what is it that is impossible for sure? yes, but not necessarily. well, for years a man walks around a woman that you have not kissed her even once. i don’t remember now, maybe it means they didn’t kiss once, i don’t remember , because if you want to you were interested, but this is

also very important, in fact, she is more than more attractive than showy and realizing this, i understand that if i start exactly how to say true to push through, that 's like a husband and wife, but a guy is not a girl in a romantic relationship. that is, it was not that i will be you now. that's the way we are, how and how. we will both decide. i wanted more on feelings, on tenderness. she did not care to the bone-crunching and give flowers all the point of farewell farewell. well, when they said goodbye, there was already no hugging there, i just said, and i left. there didn't even say anything, well more, i mean, i saw the reaction. i realized that the person had crossed the line and there would be no more return. she's been waiting for you. here is such, well, more masculinity of some kind. why are you there, grab, hug, steal, drag off, and they didn’t know how they filled up the registry office. her romantic adventures, yes, will you be active? understand yes women are men. it's about

safety first and foremost. well, of course, about pleasure, yes, from life, and now this is walking in circles. these are some half-measures, some kind of tenderness that does not reach the end of the half-hearted. yes some unfinished actions, some, on the contrary, unexpected actions that frighten her. it's all just like a safe woman's attitude doesn't matter again. you are a young guy of 33 years old, in fact you are just entering now. that's the age when the girls start running right after the man. yes, they are the opposite. so now it is very important for you to understand what we are trying to convey to you. yes, determination is also an important quality of a man that makes him successful in a relationship. see, you don't have to focus on uh, always on what

a woman says, or even more so what you think she thinks. you see, here, of course, we didn’t ask about mom in vain. here one can guess some kind of subordination under under the mother, where the mother is so important all her life in the family, dad, where are you not there? well, dad exists in our life exists, then you have more important than him in the family , mom, dad. well, mom, yes, mom, this is very visible. what are you, how would you take this model, that the woman is the main one, as she says, it will be so, but in relations with her mother. well, okay, though, there, too, sometimes you need to out to show themselves, and even in a relationship with a potential partner. there it is important for you to take on this main mission to make a decision to demand to strive to be persistent. i even i so accurately asked was gone, because i was sure that dad was gone. so, i was absolutely convinced that dad didn’t exist in the picture of the world, and dad, too, mom nursed like that for 10 years. you know their

relationship history. it’s not 10 years there, it’s been there for about two years, but there due to the fact that my father has a second family, that is, he left the first. and here was some kind of forward from quickly, they married at that time. it was very long. in general, the guys are talking about the future here . the important thing here is not how you feel when you remember this girl elena, it is important what you will do next. now, if you go on like this, you will also go in circles. the likelihood of the same scenario is very high, so, if you directly heard the value in what we are telling you now, yes, about determination about perseverance, then uh, try to behave like that. well, well, not always and not in everything, of course, your tenderness is there. big difference between tenderness and spinelessness, and these two things are sometimes replaced. that's important, yes, that 's harmonious, of course, uh, you show the value of a woman, of course, you respect her opinion.

yes and by the way, here is the fact that you came to her there in the morning or unexpectedly, it will be just her opinion, they did not take into account absolutely once. yes, insert goals plans, rationally somehow you can even prescribe them to treat relationships as a project. and go, and then it will be easier for a woman to decide whether she wants to go with you or not. and when you're at her how about mom? mom is in charge of everything. i kind of told you that i'm here, but you already decide for yourself and you're the main thing here, and for women, well, some, of course, he likes to be the main ones, but let's do it all the same. the nature of a woman in most cases is the desire to be with her husband, because the husband is a locomotive that breaks through the walls. he is there, and the woman is there for him, which means that later he lubricates the wounds. and then they make this wonderful duet. and i also think that here you are only 33 years old. you really need to get married.

here, it's true. here, please marry in your relationship, a woman had everything and passion and friendship and a joint budget and bq dishes, maybe now you need to jump out of the illusion and try to understand your story. i didn't see two things. i didn't see the girl because the whole story insists. she's all right. she is just right for you, there was no place for another woman in her, and i did not see life, i did not see passion. i didn’t see anything that makes our life alive, but what else is important to understand? yes, look, you and elena did not have intimate sex. well, it wasn't imagine 10 years man caring for a girl. we knew each other there for 10 years. okay, 5 years. yes, no, no, no, five, and it's about sex. even somehow he does not stutter what the girl thinks, when you are even here, well, as if

there were no encroachments on sex. she thinks the man has a problem. sex, why do i need sex then, he doesn’t need sex, he only needs to talk for a walk, there, or he has sex , somewhere else . come on, before the wedding on them. with respect, i treat such a position, but it is implied, yes, well, after all. we are a man and a woman there. children. here too. hmm well, they can refuse you. yes, you can say, i want sex, i'll tell you. no, you can be okay, yes, but after that , you decide, either you marry her, or you do it again. yes, you can still, yes, and i will definitely agree with you the first time. that's how you can. my advice to you albert if

possible, go to some other city, so that it is not kazan and not naberezhnye chelny you are still young enough to start another story. still, think about it, maybe really get married, that is, try to fill up the memories with new sensations, new emotions with gratitude to let them go. yes, look, this was your life. tell me that you are tormented by the fact that you are no longer a child. no, you are probably not tormented that you were somehow at school and at school you had different episodes, both good and not very good. yes, once it was painful , once it was joyful and great. it was thanks for that it was a girl, elena by the way, almost only under our profit called her name. this is also very show elena you had it was an ambiguous experience of your relationship, you behaved ambiguously. you got an ambiguous result. was that what taught you? thank you let's move on yes and here's

how thank you right in practice literally. uh, two more words and sorry. now, yes , maybe there will be some strange example, but why do people go to the cemetery? everyone has someone to talk to someone important to say some words. that's what you say, i come to kazan, i remember her here in these places. here, take them as you came to the cemetery of your relationship . you understand a good image. he must like it. i don’t know how to react, this is the embankment, where did you walk together? this is a memorial to your relationship. all of you came said goodbye said relationship. goodbye. move on. there's a cafe. this is the second monument of your relationship right on purpose. go to this cafe, sit down, order the same thing and say everything, this is a monument. all the monument remains. i live yes, then a big city will turn out from the grave of memories.

well help us memories to be treated. respectfully, but let go easily. it was a hint to the psyche, where i , journalist natalya luseyeva and clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences mikhail khors, take out the skeletons with a brush, clear the bones and pave the way for a brighter future. take care of your psyche. the creative industry podcast on channel one is still hosted by elena kiper, clip maker and producer, and roman karmanov media manager and

general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives and our guest gorgeous couple acting family egor beroev and ksenia alferova hello until the air 15-minute discussion about the name , by the way, it also captures me terribly, because in general the definition of the creative industry has arisen. oh, three or four years ago. then no one knew anything about him at all, and to be honest, because. i said lena, i'm a media manager. i generally worked in the media, which has always considered itself separate industry, they generally say, just as in general, the film industry and industries. in general , any other, and then in the end everything, in general, is not so. here, i'm listening to you now. i understand why i have all the words of your name. you just need to explain to the viewer why there was a discussion, the discussion began with the fact that i said that i did not understand, not a single uh, well, like a word from the name, what it means, that it does not evoke an associative series in me. it’s just that, for example, i understand that now, uh, this trend is not only our country world, and everything turned into an industry. yes, in

the industry the word creativity is withdrawn from this process with terrible force even at the level of the school at the level. i don't know about the kindergarten. maybe she stayed. just yesterday i was talking with teachers in the geek. for example, if we are talking about the film industry, and these are nightmares, horror. it 's real horror nightmares soaking up the actors, like, uh, well, i mean, now it's all down to the industry, to the money, to the ratings. that is , there is stamping and absolutely, that is, there is no soul in it. and it's so contradictory at all the spirit of our country and the spirit of what we did. that is, because creativity presupposes, in a good sense, chaos, such a kind of creative disorder, when there is none, when i take everything corkrotized, and now everything is extremely bureaucratized everywhere, then creativity disappears, then for the sake of what all this was created in general, there remains a bare industry that no one is not needed and the viewer does not need it, and i know this for sure, because i have been there for 7 years, as we have already found out. lately, i just

can't count. and i'm not in this sense, not industrial people do not want to count, therefore refuse to be in the industry. no i'm just as far as people i am 7 years old. i have an author’s project there, which was started not for the industry, not for money, but for the sake of ideas and the needs of my personal human, yes , in a conversation in a dialogue, in order to read, i don’t know to tell about what is interesting to people called literary gatherings since sunday alfer. so, i just know what people tell me and how much they miss the industry from creativity. well, as if alive my burning eyes e texts, ah writers whose poets tell creative talented people who are not in the industry, you understand, who will tell, which means, due to the fact that creative industries have appeared. eh , the understanding came that, generally speaking, it needs to be supported somehow with money, because , in general, there is no creative industry, just music. uh, the industry, it certainly cannot develop without conditions, you need

to invest money in it. give people tools and equipment. this means that the conditions in the regions are the same. now very many have appeared creative industry schools, which in general, in our opinion, can you imagine such good houses for children's creativity, in which there are good tools, good ones. they also exist only even in a parallel reality. they are already people who can be creative, they are creative, because these are professional institutions in which people are given the opportunity to learn at a very good level in order to realize themselves later in these same industries. well, in general, something good. or how creative music? i started my project without any conditions. that's from the word completely and without money. i just needed it very much, i was burning inside. and this is a necessary element of creativity. if i was entered somewhere or given the opportunity. i'm not sure that you even did it the way it did, that

is, there would be no soul in it. well, let's say, 25 years ago , i played the guitar in the city of vladivostok, for example, and there were a huge number of groups that could now grow into excellent musicians in the creative industry, then there was no one in any instruments invested. no one gave amateur performances to musicians of these conditions. no one invested in the rehabilitation base, which means festivals and so on. what happened was they all merged and died. now, if there were creative industries then, and what conditions existed? in which we lived, we sprouted , i have been telling everyone about poets and writers for 7 years. no one has ever created any known conditions, but they definitely have a yellowling, supported by their parents there by someone else , definitely a talent, you need at some point to support, but to build it into the system is to kill the talent. here's how you say moreover, at the beginning there was a word at the beginning there was a word very important, whatever you call it, there can be no creative industry, it seems that the industry, that is, a person who

enters the creative industry. uh, how to say, so as not to disrupt our dialogue with new concepts , yes, but in the creative field, he must understand that he will have an implementation and not just a point yes, some kind of separate implementation, but that there is an industry that accommodates much more creative people than a kind of exclusivity when it is creative. so you say, yes, tsvetaeva akhmata, do you have performances now? yes, but they are one second and that's it. listen to what far to go. i mean in this. there is a certain bohemianity, they cannot be definitely called turkish blue , we can also list directors in our point actors. uh, there aren't any theatrical movies, maybe . they cannot robotize. it's impossible. let's. let's take an example

of the work of the creative industry film turkish gambit, which was the result of a work of art, in the first place. secondly, uh , spectacular spectacular cinema, then inside the music that has become popular, which means that there are a lot of these terms, which are all parts. these are just the most creative industries, without which this film to him and the magnificent actor arose. so just because yes there was a point magnificent actor, a point remarkable director point, and wonderful composers, not 35 such identical things do not happen. it's then digitalization and this is a technique, that is, you just insert programs. e in robots, and they will now already try to do it. seriously. we are told that this is a very dangerous trend, what are you talking about, now it ’s not good for sure, i’m telling you, but let’s flourish it, let’s say, yes, what about the premiere? here on march 17 i had the premiere of the play, which was born from my literary gatherings, i took the liberty of it. uh. rather,

it happened. i did not take such courage to be in one person, that is, the author of the actress and director. like this it turned out that i had to and it turned out very well in the end. and then there was yegor. a says sorry no, it's just something that lives in me. this is what i am burning for, that's why people's eyes light up and most importantly, my task has sat there, now it's a performance. just a performance. this form is more, well, as if bright, when you can tell some things to influence even brighter. yes, it means light. this is still something not an industry due to dima, who is a very good lighting designer and studied pointwise and pointwise such individuals are not agree. it's all about people. first of all, an individual needs to leave a bunch of instruments, and no one will play them, egor what do you do? today, filming series films what is happening now, where in what part of the industry, because

now creative people are now, in fact, they are trying themselves in many guises and there is also a pro fund. i would also like to talk, yes, and so on, uh, from a professional point of view. here's what's being prepared. i am still an actor. hey, i work in film. uh, and sometimes in the theater, but rarely here i'm going to shoot movie. here is the new article. i mean, it's the director. that is, this is some kind of already passed experience, a director's experience. there is no such thing, so to speak. well, yes, yes, this is a debut. this is the need of the soul. yes, when we see go. well, it's hard to say filming. i think filming. will start. i am already 2020 the end of the twenty -fourth or the beginning of the twenty-fifth year, that is, a year and a half two. yes, probably, yes, that

is, this is the beginning from the beginning of work to the final product. i think that for about two years you are based on some material, this is a book that captured or no. this is the original story. i'm based on in general really real events. uh lives. i've seen that yegor is very supportive of literary gatherings. yes, that is, these are poetic contexts and form. and yes, here, that is, you have a lot of family supports. yes? no no, you nurses now people will understand something poetic. i just wanted people to not understand. what is gatherings it's not, well, it's not political contacts. this is such a monologue, actually about a living person, after which people go out and not judging to the lower cabinet and open. eh, the books of this or that poet-writer that we told, this is my task, and it is carried out by him. in this case, how does the actor participate in this or how? e sub-producer once he was as a set designer.

it can be said that the gatherings looked different , he painted the backdrop very cool. this is because he draws very well. uh, if i'm streaming online, he keeps a close eye on people asking to be online for editing. yes frame yes but no. i am alone in all faces producer, organizers directors, author if i, uh, all of you and yegor read. it was the very beginning, yes, before i became it, that is, the beginning was not without food - these are the first two. gatherings were moms, and then yegor were yes, well, how to take into account the authors, in fact, they were those evenings. there are already two films. we came out this year, where we are already playing and the wife is like this, i think. and already on the site. well, you listen, nevertheless, there are a lot of fruits. they need

the people and the fund. do you have how is how? well, not people live together and do the same thing together, who gives birth? who is your generator? the most important go, yes, well, in different ways in different ways. basically. i am egor, if we are talking about the background, then he is a creative generator. e money. i mean, not my money. and the most, well, that is, they are all ideas well, that is, there are a lot of ideas and how to implement these ideas, but if not, but our family’s funds, i’m talking about the fund 11 years ago this is a serious experience, yes, speaking, and he was created. as i understand it, in order to finance specifically, yes, that is , to attract resources or something or there was some kind of philosophy at the basis, of course, philosophy. he fund, speaks better. yes, he deals with people with mental disabilities , a syndrome called i am. our main,

probably, motto is we learn to live together , we succeed. we want these people to live with us in society. we believe that they have the full right to benefit our society. it’s just that in soviet times they were locked up in a boarding school and were not given the opportunity to be with us in cafes in theaters there to play on stage, and not just in separate such societies, but to be integrated into our society. as it is in other countries, that we need to be motivated by them in a certain way , that is, to help with specialists there. yes, the foundation informs society about such people and deals with such people from childhood and further already to adulthood, right up to you mean, that is, this we do not treat children without treatment, because our children do not need treatment. they are, they need rehabilitation, some kind of socialization. and in principle, that is, when we

summed up the results, we realized that and it was. from our first such tasks one of the main informing is what yegor said, what is now, what is the level of informing? how about it, how do they talk about it? how many talk about it, where about it. they say it is the merit of our foundation. that is, when we came then 10 years ago, 11 already and our other organizations that we rely on no informing - this i can i used to this. well, now i can tell for sure. this i am, that is, and plus organizations that well are looking for before long. before occurrence. eat like an ant. here are the employees in moscow and 17 in rostov-on-don, i am directly the director of this fund. we are not persons of the fund, and , as it were, its creators uh-huh, but rehabilitation through creativity, including different ones, how does it work , the mechanism for the direction of a huge

number of activities. does he understand that there are many things he does there? i mean, how does creativity work during rehabilitation. how effective it is very we have a lot of workshops. uh, including, there is a recording studio and music workshops and art and sewing workshops, where such guys have the opportunity to learn to practice to record a song to study musical instruments the art of sculpting wonderful things from clay. and this is a great opportunity for their implementation. and how would they find these talents in themselves , and through this they are small motor people, in principle, and children, but typical with autism , they are right here, uh, thanks to this they are pulled out so much by their pedagogy. well, as if out of their what tells us here. uh, pedagogics periodically send us reports on how, how it is, as in the example

specific child? how it happens here is such an amazing change there are a few girls with autism there and it was just very straight up huge huge breakthrough of a breakthrough stay in moscow we have this kind of, uh, centers in rostov in rostov we have uh hmm here are 17 teachers. and these, in my opinion, are two large and large offices there, as far as information is concerned. i'm sorry, i just typed in. for a very long, very long time, a volunteer program was on the radio above the radio station, which is just, uh, that is our guests are the foundations of the organization no. these are the founders. yes, yes, it’s strange that we didn’t meet there at the wrong time, but this is not about that, but about the fact that, well, you can endlessly inform and try to personally drag. and you can shoot, for example, a kind of movie. as in general, there anton is nearby conditionally. yes, at some point, yes, yes, that's absolutely, so

the topic went, yes. yes, they released it. still, it went still , it struck again. some kind of gap, there is still the consciousness of people and so on. here, uh, you somehow use it all now or there for 11 years something like this, but from the point of view of the industry , i don’t know anymore, because you can make a hero out of a person, uh, not a single documentary film, and they also won at international and our festivals, a very good film. i dream of making friends, a wonderful film, i really need money to make a sequel to this film, which we have. this is a story about guys who make cartoons in film college. children with autism. they are studying. yeah but it's amazing and we have a director of juris anon who is very immersed in this subject and she just she lives by this and she has a chic team. so far, i don't think they've found it yet. by the way, films, yes, given that i have already come up with tv shows as much as possible and the programs have been made. think it should become

popular. yes, of course, we do it one way or another, that is, we are not the author. i mean, and here is anton, there is a wonderful movie nearby, which we once used in all possible ways, that is, we took them out to the regions. that is, we showed agreed agreed in cinemas. there vanakh region. not only vladimirskaya we gathered a hall in cinemas and discussed hmm students were invited there, but, for example, just uh, why are we including uh about our guys, yes, directly, whom we know and raised one of them there, we can say we are filming, because there are still . well, as it were, but in part the spectrum is very large, that is, it depends on a specific one, like any person. they are different among such very famous people there are people, in general, yes, well, as if critical features so to speak, and since there are now two of this to eat rain.

and anton is nearby, but still they are different there are people with autism, who are quite the opposite, we have already filmed. we continue the creative industry podcast on channel one today with you elena kiper and roman pockets and wonderful actors. actor's family. egor beroev in general this is about the heroes in our society, which are among completely different people. uh, it seems to me very poorly, while it is generally presented, by the way, speaking of a film that is associated with the landing of the legendary georgia, this is just one of the examples when noticed the feat and uh, its popularization, in general, is slowly growing. well, yes, there was a wave on the sly, then now it turns into a hero’s stomatism. we also talked in person. here and so on. but for some reason, for some reason, for some reason, we have it all the way. in general, there are definitely no

half-filled books about heroes. there , conditionally, we are at that point when we are supposed to approach this, just. we realize. how should it be next. we simply could not understand who the hero of our time was, that's before we had changes in society, political political and public civil we could not understand who the hero of the real heroes was, because there was confusion in the head and, uh, the society was very ready for compromises. now we have understood that there can be no compromises, that we must be determined, either we are, at the same time, or we are for something else, and these heroes began to emerge. we must begin to understand who the real heroes of our time are. e that the heroes of the time are not there not a director who is trying to pull dirt, vulgarity and humiliation onto the stage, and he does not

become a hero, but becomes a hero the person who saved lives there before we assumed it, but we could not decide for sure, because there were so many people. uh, including actors and singers known there, who gave birth just because the heroes are what is vulgarity vulgarity. here is depravity, this is what it is, and often i had to refuse roles. uh, in the script, of course, of course, and now still. i will answer five times more and say. can't afford it because he has uh family, and i have the opportunity. here, but it is necessary to say that i am very pleased that now we have become leaders in the box office with this film of the world and uh, this topic is interesting this topic is interesting, sincerely interesting to people. they want to watch. they want to be happy for this hero. they want to experience. they want

to cry. it's just about a person about a living person. and about a person, about his choice, about the fact that this is a person who lives with god and it is obvious to him that he is not a hero at all, and moreover, god was not obvious when i talked with damir, when was the documentary i watched that god chose him for this role simply because he is a true believer, he is, as it were, a believing person. he prays on every flight and muslims, and he says it's not me at all. this is god, this is obvious, but not everyone would hear this, remove the landing gear. he heard a man of no faith. it is quite possible that he did not hear that he lives very modestly with him, an amazing wife, and it seems to me that people, that is, in soviet times, they filmed about such people about ordinary people. and so missed it. uh, i'm sure that well, egorov v five times more, so i think it suits him more when you are filming somewhere, well, in the entrance or something, when people usually well, why and what kind of film is there a detective or some kind? well, why don't you

shoot there about here? well, i’m talking about something about that, well, we’re not filming it. we would love to film if you go to this, not to shoot the city of love. ah, the need to feel. eh, heart. here, well , with something that is in the chest, the heart there is to empathize with the soul, and people are tired, uh, laugh after a swear word, because, well, as if there are these humorous programs here, where swear words are simply named and the audience is roaring and you feel strange. i'm not here, i'm present now, here we were with a gift, just on such a program, and this is very strange. i don’t understand what is happening for me and the people have already begun to understand this project of a get-together, but he also started with it as a project. contrary to, i really like the phrase of the fazilian kander, who says you know, uh, what you need to eat like this,

swim against the current, and he said wonderful what do you need to stand against the current? here is this position. here, as it were, which, well, the gathering, it began in spite of, because it, well, as it were, who needs ksenia, pulled out the authors who are the unpopular platonov there andreev postovsky, that is, well, how would you understand platonov who will come to platonov now platonov is still there . and this is not only. this is not reading. this is a story about the author about your life about a person about his love is about his shock in life , about his changes, just about the value of a thing, that is , to place accents correctly, or ksenia turns out to be such radzinsky, but only about not not about history. i call, yes, edward razin and flew about writers. yes, i'm talking about, i propose to talk about the family. i'm

suggesting anyway. she will take on, ksenia will take on the artists too. so he wants to take on artists there, too, to talk about the history of a person, and to tell it as if she personally knew him, that here she talks about gumilyov. so it seems to me, like, for example, how would someone really personally know a person very well. i just want to be loved back. that is, when people listen, they suddenly remember, they blow off the dust from these , and so they turn from behind the phone, and books well, books and classics. this is the wife. now this is what we are made of - our cells. that is, if we remove them, then we will really be devastated, then we will and then we will not understand. why do we laugh. for some reason it's not funny. this is some kind of laughter, a sin, as the holy one said, and we begin to fill up, because this is our dna, our poets, our writers, our artists. we are an amazing country, great people

, ordinary people lived among us, they want to tell you, they surrounded him. this is what an ordinary person, in fact, but there he has a gift in this, he was surrounded, that is, in the context of the country's history. and do you understand how it all works? well, how would it, how did it move, where did it go? and how urgently it needs to be returned. well, it’s as if it’s easy to return your attitude to this to school everywhere love for these names should be returned, so that we fill it, so that we understand what we are, so that we are not like empty air balloons, where the blow will fly there, but you know what an interesting feeling arises. here is a story in 2007, in my opinion, a very large one, in which i then worked , decided to release book collections, as collections were done abroad and, uh, the question was what would be the first collection, in general, what hmm and editor-in-chief ceo he it will be, uh, a collection of classics. hmm, here are the names mentioned. yes means everything our critics said that, well, first of all, no one needs all these

classics at all, which means that everyone’s shelves are full. look at the trash cans, they take out entire collections, in general, young people come out of these cabinets. nobody to mine will be released. uh, the collections of nature are in millions of copies. as a result, it is understood by millions. so, about the feeling that there is an e world. here is this uh, glossy conditionally, yes, which, and there is some kind of our people our people with this time code the world for glossy. here, we recently watched they sent us a canopy video where uh the field of miracles program involves our outstanding actors of those nineties, which means that nikulin herbert was blown away, and there, well, the very best there in general nikulin yuri nikol and they are spinning this drum. and then we somehow

perceived it in plain sight, and now you look, lord, why were we taught, what was laid in us, when alexander abdulov alexander gavrilovich? oh, the lucky winner of the field of miracles rejoices throughout the country that he won a vacuum cleaner, but he was a gambler, so he happily won. and this is what kind of materialism they laid in us then, that is, these are other values. here is a soviet person, he will never be happy with a vacuum cleaner, but here it is, here it is, here i am in these nineties, when it suddenly became, for some reason, popular and valuable that the vacuum cleaner used to be somehow. well, well, well, anyway. well, it's kind of gradual. that's how it somehow. here it all fit into us. and, of course , naturally, when we have come now, values ​​are changing, naturally changing when we began to understand that there are returning. yes

there are even more important things, and moreover, those things that are even in the same hollywood films, but there have always been this and mutual assistance of the victim. love is there and honesty, and truth, it was all the same. it was invested, as if in what has always been in us and at the same time. naturally. the main thing is that what we stand for is a classic, our classic is what this tuning fork gives us, because after all, there is only one truth in the world. we continue our creative industry podcast at the roman karmanov studio visiting, wonderful acting family, yegor beroev and ksenia alferova and here , too, returning to the beginning about the heroes of our time. here, too, suddenly for some reason, and the people began to confuse the people, it seemed

to some, some parts are very insignificant, that they pull out the intimate details of life, but the big outstanding composers of bards. it's okay. that is, here is a person who is taking on this, as if he is a talented person. this is, as it were, this is a progressive, this is a creative creative person. well, in a bad sense of the word, because after all, creative is my thing. sight. this creation does not arise for me. about this word. but thank god. for example, there was a director who made a film about a famous composer, well, a recent story is a fairly recent story, well, it’s disgusting, and i even talked in one place there with my friends, and they tried to convince me that they want to know

when they listen to the music of this great composer. they want to know who he slept with guys. well, what, and what about the guys? no 60 guys, you were also born in the soviet union we are me i am with you, as if in the same way, in in principle, brought up, but as if, as if these are not our stories, we cannot think about it, we cannot look. that's what was in all these terrible newspapers magazines when we saw there, uh, amazing actress. well , mardzhakova is there under a dropper, when they climbed up to take pictures on the cover, it ’s impossible, it’s not we can’t do this soviet people shouldn’t russians, yes, russian russians russians are a zone of shame. well, like intimacy, privacy is very important. and by the way, if i just read a lot, you know, in the last 7 years, because the gathering principle i take reading everything that is

about this or that, but the writer's poet, and then tells what i consider it important to tell everyone starting from. from pushkin this is my first very uh, all this is the word. i suddenly began to meet the word liberal exclusively in a negative context in the xviii to the nineteenth at the beginning of the xx century, and that's all our white migration is so-called, well , the outstanding part of the poor is negative. yes, because they all talk about why the west is so alien to them, that’s exactly how they, unfortunately, talked about it, that everything is very commercialized, which in other words you said, and that it is not ours at all, that no one reads poetry there, no one needs it. eh, no one needs poets to write and no one needs to proclaim that we want to see creative results in the new time. from the creative results of, uh, great personalities, who, like the preservation of our, uh, true values ​​and traditions of our country, so that we

do not fall apart, so that our originality does not disappear, of course, education is an amazing country of 190 nationality, we multi-religious state. and we have a lot of our primordial values ​​and traditions. why do we take strangers, and moreover, we have wonderful people there, and even a large, large part of muslims, too, why, for example , muslims do not allow themselves to use swear words there in their speech. why do we use it? well, as it were, this is a separate topic a lot. how do you see education? this is very important. this is also a separate issue, but for people, er, that is, people with insufficient education. that is, i would not allow exactly didn’t give migrants any money and wouldn’t halal shoot some outstanding people, including , or if you don’t love, this poet is in books, too, when there are biographies

written by those who don’t love. this is impossible to read. don't you understand very well? why are you even doing this. this is really important and knee-deep. it is also important here, because we are just 40 and 40 plus we have a very good base. then she began to destroy , they began to destroy her, but as you know, times do not choose. yes, but still final to do good is to do something the final question. eh, after all, times do not choose. we live in a time in which we came across and many have a discussion. in general , it goes on and the external internal people understand by themselves whether it is a good or bad time. here is the current one according to your assessment. we are with you in the good moments of history were beautiful , very interesting. at a moment in history, when you really depend on each person, it always depends, but now

you really just change something inside yourself very important things start with yourself. well, that is, what are you, aggression and being angry with someone and hating, this is one story. yes, if we all fill up like this, but this leads to the destruction of the country, or we create something inside ourselves in the family a little further a little further at our small workplace. each of them can do a lot for the country to change this amazing feeling when you understand that here and now everything depends on you personally. that's all from how you raise a child, you either give him something or you don't. that's how to say, no one will get a chance to remove the responsibility of themselves. we have a chance, yes, it's true, we have a chance, - said egor, the hero of the point, finally, on our air ksenia alferova. well, how would you say ambassadors of russian culture, right? elena envoys, yes, to see you, fortunately, that we

are here with you, friends, let's finish the creative industry podcast today. elena kipermanov was with you on channel one, dear friends, all episodes creative industry podcast. you can always watch on the website of channel one one tv point ru this is a podcast easy money, i am its host mikhail khanov, today we continue the discussion of the historical topic. the history of money on the territory of the russian state since the beginning of the centuries continues through the russian empire, the soviet union, russia, and our guest yuri alexandrovich petrov, doctor of historical sciences, director of the institute of russian history of the russian academy of sciences,

yurheksin. hello, let's have a question. uh, for a start here's throughout history in russia, or maybe not only in russia, very negative attitudes towards the rich. this is a characteristic of only our country or all over the world, all my life i always treated the rich negatively. and why does it happen, because everyone is poor or, uh, in general. there were some such periods in history when the majority of the population was rich and there was no one to relate to such negative ones. well, there has always been negativity. uh, fat-bellied kupchino is the hero of the nekrasov poem, who lives well in russia. here he thought that it was good to live as a fat belly, yes, who does not work himself, but everyone works for him, but still you know this one is not so unambiguous. i would answer this question. in the very word rich in the russian word rich.

after all, there is a root. god is a person who, to some extent , marks god . oh, he made him such a state, therefore, in this sense, i would not say that we had a common hatred. e to the rich, in fact, when the era of great reforms began in russia and the peasants got the opportunity to engage in entrepreneurship. what do we call now? many became rich, and the russian business elite of the early 20th century includes dozens of names, and they are almost all peasants. so it was a christian dream to get rich. immediately everyone moved into the category so from their boyfriends to those whom we no longer love, but in general , yes, to some extent, it was like that, as vladimir frogzhansky wrote in his memoirs , they used to be workers appreciated the owner because he feeds them, and then they got the times when

they began to shout to him, that you are the only fat-bellied about this, we feed you all. well ok, let's go through the steps. so the october revolution, in general, the event is very expensive, in addition to the fact that well, elementary things. yes, where the premises gather to issue a leaflet, as we now say, as advertising propaganda materials. it was necessary to pay, uh, and the red army soldiers to buy weapons somewhere, who sponsored, that is, someone's money, the existing masses of history, starting. with american german money a little bit a day they were not traveling there in a sealed carriage with lenin or in the next where did the money for uh come from revolution? well, we can say for sure that it was not foreign money and the bolsheviks, as if they were branded with her now. they were not german spies or agents. this is quite clear. lenin was still a man of such a level of intelligence that he used heroes, like a shoulder yes

, he did not carry out any assignments, so to speak, tasks, as for where the bolsheviks took the money from. it had to be a huge , very tens of thousands of people, and then hundreds of thousands of organizations. there, actually from these resources are internal internal resources. yes, nasty resources. actually, everything and all these things were done, with regard to weapons - there were weapons, then a lot. from the words of the first world war, it came along with the soldiers, who became such triggers for the revolution, but i want to emphasize again. you don’t have to look at the russian revolution from the point of view that it was carried out with someone’s foreign money without fire, but on a national scale, and you don’t need it like that, i would say exaggerate or which yes, yes, it was freshly orchestrated there, and that affected a million

people i got along with the civil war in millions of victims, so this is our national tragedy. i would like it to be treated well in a more serious way, but closer to the topic of our program. and during a special time during the civil war, but there is such a figure at some time in the country. here in the nineteenth eighteenth twentieth year i already went up to 20,000. various types of currencies, that is, not just was a currency. each province almost every village had its own currency. the reasons for this are understandable. nobody trusts anyone. uh, local medium of exchange there was created as a country, then coped with this situation, which became such an anchor, as it was possible to maintain, then a single currency. well , it was a consequence of the same civil war, money was issued by both red and white governments. it was correctly noted by everyone there that the independent, proclaimed republic you went to moscow had its own

currency. it was from here that this mass of completely depreciated pieces of paper was collected, which by the end of the civil war. indeed, waste paper and even soviet money have turned. it is known that in public institutions in soviet twenties in the early twenties , wages were given out every day in the morning. it was necessary to spend it until the evening, until that's the very inflation ate it. why, what is the situation and what was done in the twenty-second year in sokolnikov, first of all, and in his 22nd year they carried out a monetary reform. it was a great thing, of course, when they managed to get rid of this paper rubbish and introduce a real hard currency called the gold coin, which was even backed by a real gold reserve; in russia it was a gold reserve creatures of soviet russia and yes, and gold coins. although