who was to lead? well, in general, i finished and reached some kind of there, maybe a pair of singles. well, as far as she told me so, but she began to embody e the ideas of height that she had not realized and had not achieved. uh, taking my sister first to the group svetlana vladimirovna panova uh-huh, my sister rode there for several years. and when she reached the age of 7 already done. uh emphasis on education. hmm, i started doing so amateurish, uh, skating in the children's theater on the oleko ice in moskvich. and i actually continued when my sister was in the department. to me it was still a year, two or three. uh, so quietly joining them at the fp. just watching practice. further, the report will simply sit there. well, actually, they also put on skates at the age of 3. you liked it from the start. no, i cried, and you

know how much i cried. i am still crying. i would have stopped crying others. well , here the tournament is an honorable twelfth place, and i think that i started crying again because of the figure. we're still half way behind everything. oh, okay let's not talk about sad things for today, that your personal figure skating ambitions prevail more, or my mother’s ambitions. of course, we can, my mother is not one of those who gets into the work of coaches and always indicated how to enter a triple flip. or why does he have incorrect e rotations in the program? she always trusted, and therefore, well, now it’s like that in general, therefore, you left for st. petersburg well, relatively calmly. they then released me. here is the contact with alexei nikolaevich, keeps and in general,

it seems to me that it is not particularly welcome in our group, but because athletes are mostly adults. yes, we have a completely relationship, and the athlete, coach and parents are no longer something that comes to the background. there, it seems to me, we just discussed in personal meetings . how do we have a training process like this, so that e parents come to the showdown to ask how it is, how is mine. it seems to me that it is difficult to come to alexei nikolayevich with such a question. you can then go somewhere far away to come with such a question, why and pick up your student from the group. and so you can, well, what are your plans for then next season on which dream task to ride better i don’t want some kind of sharp take-off, because if an athlete , u shoots, it’s always hard, uh, to keep yourself at the same level, and even more difficult, but to surprise with new ones and grow even further, therefore i have

quite smoothly growth was these two seasons. yes, there, when they say, i didn’t win anything, i don’t have any titles, but maybe i shouldn’t have skated anywhere this season , somehow, somewhere, something lit up, so further just a hmm try new ones interns are the perfect time to learn them, and some i 'm really bad at. well, just the same, when it has now passed, we will focus. and perhaps they will turn out better than epp, there or salchow salchow, in general, the trouble is, i'm pushing in the components. yes, in the components , i raised some bar for myself, that now all the spectators, everyone, everything in general, all figure skating will expect some unrealistic performance from you. well, the components are not not the technique, where in the technique you need to improve and add. e for

account of the quality of performance and quantity. well, new jumps, and in the components. i won’t forget how to skate at the same time, so you just need not to miscalculate with the choice of composition, that when you finish skating some good short story of this season. uh, it's always hard, but to choose something that is not so much inferior. here is the idea that i presented to the viewer. i wish you only inspiration. thank you very much number one patience is number two. and, of course, so that you don’t have any more injuries, don’t worry. your leg. good luck you. you are big. well done from me personally thank you for your program at the russian challenge show tournament. thanks thank you very much. it was a podcast, the free program with you was maxim tankov and my today's guest matvey vetlugin.

hello with you, the podcast is a must- read. i am the main director at batnikova, a writer. today we are discussing the diary of maria bashkirtseva with my wonderful guests olga breininger, writer, literary tropologist, translator and vladislav gorodetsky writer architect diary maria bashkirtseva. this is a well-known work. uh, a girl from 12 to 24 kept a diary, so to speak, from adolescence to death. and this is the end of the 19th century. uh, europe uh, an aristocratic russian daughter of a wealthy landowner, who, uh, studies and spends time

in europe, lives a stormy and social life. e, however, what is interesting to us, and in this diary and in this document, why he is included in the corpus of women's autofictional prose , let's call it that, in fact, whether he is included or not. this is a big question, because after all, in form, uh, this is a diary of a diary entry. uh, how it differs from all previous diaries in that it was originally written for an outside observer for the reader. that is, he is not written for himself, but for others and the bashkirs - this is repeatedly emphasized. and what are the elements of e autofix e? because the bashkirs consider themselves a heroine. she speaks directly about this and describing herself, as if from the outside, she introduces herself into this text, as a heroine, as characters, and often abstracts into the same e, emphasizing that

the author of these lines, he, of course, understands everything. but the heroine, there was a silly thing like that, that is, the element of the game she actually has from the very beginning. well , not that games, but some kind of appeal to the public appeal to the public. yes, he says that i intend to take a photograph of my life, and he sets himself the task of being as honest and frank as possible. that is, it is a self-portrait. uh, and the authenticity of this self-portrait is hmm. maybe even some kind of ugliness. this is the condition of the game that the bashkirs set for themselves, but we we can say so, we can say so, but if we a take into account the worth of the author himself , then we need to admit that this is not an autofish, but an autobiography, because autofiction is always a deliberate mixture of truth and fiction, and since bashkirsky declare that she will show

herself as she is, er, in an unsightly ugly way in any situation, without trying to embellish herself, then in general, if you follow one of the main definitions of autofiction. uh, those should not be referent, it turns out that the bashkirtsev is not non-autofiction does not agree. this can be perceived as her declaration of absolute truth and to the last word, as also an element of the auto-fictional narrative. she is maybe, uh, also part of uh, and the plot is part of uh, the story. yes, i'm telling the honest truth, but in fact, you never know what, he says, we have no way to check. yes, we have this is such a frame. yes, in which we operate. eh, and even this text. uh, we're from the start. we can doubt its absolutely documentary. at least, because we, uh, don't get exact birth dates.

heroines, uh yes, the date of birth of the sixties indicated in the first publications. uh, the sixties , the year was not exactly the date. uh, the bashkir was born in the fifty-eighth year, because, and the mother after the death of her daughter. here is the mother to engage in the publication of the diary and edited. and yes, she cut it. e life for several years, so that fate seems even more tragic for 2 years. yeah she hits the club 27 hits, 27 is who kurt cobain kurt cobain is pak shakur and well maria and maria well, in general, she gets into great company to say the least, but this is what confuses me, and when she starts and she is 11 or 12 years old in them, she is still quite transparent, and then already at 15-16 years old. she comes back and makes some edits herself and uh,

then the idea comes to her that u diary - this is her opportunity, and to show the life of one woman. and this is her opportunity to become famous, that is. eh, if you look at her trajectory there hero arc, she has changed quite a lot. here is from 15 to twenty-five, and in the beginning she was driven by desire. what are you going to write about? does she write multiple times all the time? i want fame, i dream of being famous. this, by the way, makes her related to kurt kobey. he is also said to have signed that he wanted to be famous since he was a teenager. and she tries all kinds of arts. that is, she draws and sings. e, writes and it seems to me that at the initial stage she is not just looking for herself. she is still looking for that path, that very short path to glory. yes, she remains an artist, but still it seems to me that we know her. first of all, it is from her diary. well, probably about the artistic value of her paintings. necessary

to ask you, uh i want to talk about something about whether you are, i think the best autofiction specialist in russia there is. today. you have a lecture about mary of the bashkirs. tell us how you imagine her literary work, in some general context of this auto-actional prose. well, here we need to make a small clarification, or what? maria bashkirtseva is not included in the autophishing course, but i have a course on 19th century literature, the purpose of which was. well, shake the canons a little to show what we have conditionally, not only pushkin lermontov tolstoy dostoevsky but also other women writers yes women and lectures about all the main male writers were followed. uh, short lectures to women. that is, i said, look, we have conditionally. and turgenev chernyshevsky we also have the bashkirs or the zodiac, but these are

slightly different time periods, but only the paws after the bashkir must be mentioned. by the way, i am on the side of lisa the deacon and you in many ways. well, mary of the bashkirs was the first of this, right? about art work bashkirsky vlad and architect did you study? e tell me how you evaluate this jerk. e bashkirtseva to glory through painting, because his last years are the last 6 years. she quits social life, she stops hanging out and, uh, starts working hard from morning to night, literally counting the hours that she has on the way to the studio. they move closer to the studio, so as not to spend 2 hours a day, because it's 48 days a year and it means that she is rapidly mastering the path from a student to a leader. e picturesque salons along with the pool or the page and other artists, it must be said that i am not

an art critic. but if you trust the art of the vedas, they report that it is impossible to talk about the real artistic heritage of the bashkirs. hmm, because she left too early. her life was the first, she is too early, as art critics say. uh, she had a real break away from academicism in the last two years. er, and that is, she went to the peaks on the ascending line and it is not known how high this line would go, but she left. just starting to open up. here in their recent works. and here olya, uh, mentioned this and i would like to develop the idea. uh, it seems to me that uh and the diary, uh, the bashkirs and her painting. yes, they initially proceeded from the intention to become famous. yes, become, uh, popular famous. she even writes at the age of 15 to such an often beloved and vain person as i need to become attached to live pussy, because this is a very lively inexhaustible activity. i

will therefore neither be a philosopher nor a chemist. i can only be a singer and an artist. this is already a lot. and then i want to be popular. this is the main thing, in general pragmatic elections, but uh, choosing the path of painting the bashkirs, think what is it? the path to glory, uh, but this choice completely transforms her, and this can be seen from the diaries, because how much the personality changes. she goes from m-m immature infantile whimsical. uh ladies into a real sacrificial person who is really ready for the sake of art. uh , give up everything that was dear to him before. and that is. eh, no matter what the antennae, but the bashkirtsev really takes the path of the artist, eh, but eh. well, you can as a person who has learned. uh art, yes, fine, but to appreciate its breakthrough. you understand that this is unrealistic. at this level

of painting, her painting hangs in the russian museum; her painting hangs in the musée d'orce in paris . that is, it is really, the highest level of some kind, maybe, and she passed it very quickly. do you understand this? you understand that some work is behind this, of course, i understand. but uh , it seems to me that this is a debatable question, but i 'll express my opinion that it is fair to call an artist important or accomplished. if he set some direction, he had some influence on the hosts, uh, well, not necessarily new. in general, uh, an artist is considered important if he changed the cultural landscape, if uh, some of his ideas sprouted into the future, so uh, well, it is important to note that the ideas of the bashkirs are, uh, some finds in painting. yes, they did not find a proposal, there are no people who would confirm the influence, uh, of her on their art, unlike literature

alone, well, some of her influence is obvious. and many authors of the silver age were carried away. one might even say to some extent in love with all this tsvetaeva. bryusov khlebnikov it would seem that they have completely different aesthetics, but nevertheless white, and i agree with vlad that this book begins as a diary of a young girl seeking popularity, through but no appearance, through art. uh, a little harder, but when she stops at painting, and when she becomes really, uh, uncompromising and cruel to herself in and it seems to me that the artist begins when he is ready to be cruel to himself, that's when this story , which to me personally interesting and change charming natural

line with her in love. and it seems to me that, mm, when an artist devotes himself to everything, that is , puts himself on the altar of his work, then this cannot but cause. here is some profound change. and be it art literature. i don’t know visuals that she didn’t choose, but the fact itself, and here is such a work, ah, he produces. i am anyway, yes, and it commands respect, but i can say that really one of the features of this diary is that it begins quite predictably for an aristocratic environment, yes for a girl who is very rich very beautiful and let's say so artistic, yes, and we expect, of course, uh, after describing all the fans of the points and the like outfits.

of course, we are waiting for her to marry some nephew of an italian cardinal right now, or hmm that she will spin some kind of i don’t know, mad romance or well, in general, she will do something, maybe through appearance yes, related to her beauty and i do it's yours in fact, it's sad that we expect this, but our stereotypes are absolutely at some point a template breaks and we understand that this is a serious person. before us is a serious man. she chooses a not to marry. you can say to abandon the female path completely and works like a beast in order to be perceived as a person, that is , she writes in this that if my painting gets into the salon, i will be perceived as a person for her. it is very important that she evokes with her work. yes, not by appearance e, not by the money of her parents, but by her work and the fact that she chooses this path, of course, all of a sudden, it turns out to be unexpected in the same way as her tragic death earlier her demands on

herself grow because at some point when her painting enters the salon. she says, or rather, writes about the fact that uh hmm in the salon uh, exposes this daub. and if this fuss is real art, then this is not the biggest compliment for me. together with the level of self-criticism of reflection, compared with the girl we saw on the first pages. eh, completely different. and it seems to me that this is self-criticism, it has roots in its narcissistic character. she by by nature, a person of a narcissistic warehouse, and this is even evident from the way she relates e to her own appearance. here, as she is thrown from side to side, uh, she admires herself and says how wonderful she is and that everyone should bow down. uh, right there, uh, on the next page, she can say that there is nothing special about me and there by the standards of soviet women, and i am

of no interest to these people. i can not see anything. all no do not dissemble. i remember such a moment, and she describes how she came to russia because that she lives on her father's money in paris in rome in nice well, sometimes she travels to russia, here is the village. poltava and she arrives at some point , of course, creates a sensation in this chatter. so they make some kind of visits, and she herself mentions that someone tells her that they saw the daughter of the bashkirs, a wonderful beauty, and she summarizes. these people haven’t seen anything in their lives, or here she writes e at 16 years old, if i’m as good with myself as i say, from what they don’t like me , they look at me, they fall in love, but they don’t love me me who needs love so much. well, that is, uh, and her assessment, but her own literary works. she also , uh, often criticizes herself. e, they say that

the description of some primitive e everyday things. i spent such pompous high words, they are proportionate. why does she have such an uneven attitude towards herself, then criticism, then love about that on ah, yes , emotional swings, because sometimes she says yes. do you think that i, uh, spied on someone? no, this is my own thought. or there, she revels there some of their beauties. and sometimes she says, oh, i can't describe it. it’s better for you to go to zulya or there to balzac for such details, yes, go, uh, or there, uh, it ’s impossible to describe, in order to feel it you need to be me, that is, she signs her failure. as a writer , too, but on the other hand there is a wonderful moment. e in the final, which i really like, and she reads an essay to tolstoy and in ammond and says that her soul rejoices and at

the same time, she scolds herself for being a foreigner, she lives in france and does not leave to russia but why doesn't she do it? yes , why, because he can study only in paris keeps her alive and she writes. i also work for the glory of my motherland, if i eventually develop such a talent of some kind of tolstoy. this is quite high. evaluation of myself, i understand, yes, everything, of course, these narcissistic swings from the other side. she writes, i'm not brilliant but i want them to consider me as such. but this is pure auto-phishing, of course, in fact, we can open each page and find two quotes polar, and they will all be true. i think this podcast is a must-read with you aglaya na batnikova, director writer, leading prompt we are discussing the diary of maria bashkirtseva, uh, with olga breininger

, a literary anthropologist, writer, translator and vladislav gorodetsky writer, author of the book inversion, my lord and architect. in every person there are certain products of contradiction, and the fact that we note this in the bashkirs' diary suggests that she is really honest, but she related to her work and to this task. olya, you studied at marina abramovic, uh, you're a digital artist. if it is possible, so to speak? yes, if you can, so to speak. uh. please tell me if there are any signs of a conceptual project in the diary of the bashkirtseva, when a person treats his life as material and makes himself an object of his art, if this old diary has such signs, i think yes, and i i think that from the moment when she

returned to her diary at the age of 15, hmm wrote a preface, writing in the preface that she did not likes to write the preface and, uh, started editing it. i think she did. this is to intentionally create a certain image of yourself. and this is the first second. still. she was quite versatile in her interests, uh, and in your creative endeavors. and i think she still has it. uh , of course, this is not marina abramovic, but she did not have the opportunity to rise to such power and comprehend her own work, but women could not get it. ah, education at the end of the 19th century. that is, we see a thirst for knowledge. she reads a lot of books and knows er, he reads some classical texts in the original, but nonetheless. we understand that systemic education. she is deprived and it is felt. and despite the fact that she reads a lot. eh, well, her possibilities

and tools of reflection are quite limited, because after all, this is what education gives us, and she goes in a naive way, and intuitively in an intuitive way, but nonetheless. it seems to me that some kind of vague idea of ​​what the main object of art is. it's not even her diary. these are not her paintings, but she herself and he can be traced and it gradually goes to this another thing, which is the saddest thing after all, we can never understand the story until we read it to the end, in general, peter brooks has a famous book radian photop, and he says that we are reading, but the narrative is not in order. we honor him from beginning to end and in the case of bashkir e yes from end to beginning. yes, i, in the case of the bashkirs, we lose that very point of reference,

where we can truly appreciate history. you do not understand the beginning of the school there is no final. we understand that this story is interrupted and e everything that she could become she probably could become many could grow significantly in artistic power and depth, but this did not happen. yes, i think that's it too. it could happen to me, maybe this broken life. uh, an early tragic death, maybe that's part of the image and part of her charm. isn't there, there is romanticism in this, but uh, it seems to me that the years of such work, which are described in the last part of the diary, they would give her much more than the romantic aura before of death. and how do you guys feel about such a turn of events that she abandoned love and relationships. i want to quote on

this. one moment i really liked. i below this topic falls. yes, this is it, she just entered, uh, to study. yes art school to julian. ah. separately, to say that this studio is julian. it was the only place where women could study women, a serious place for women to be treated and therefore. i'm not leaving paris though, she doesn't like paris well, in some of days they came across an ugly nature. they solved it. uh this moment. i thought, how does it feel, to which the whole studio says, i'm not sorry. you are very ugly. we will go to drink, tea, he was still paid some pennies. so he doesn't care. and so they went to the monastery. we enter the monastery and bring with us so much playfulness and merriment that a solemn calm is revealed. and we go to the waiting room, uh, boarders, and i make sister

teresa dance. she wants to recruit me and praise my bridges. and i also want to recruit her and i praise the world to her, and she tells them how cool it is to live in a monastery, and the sea and tell her that the world is beautiful, but the recruitment happened only not along the line of religion, but along the line, here is the renunciation of the world. and the bashkorian naturally transforms. a nun, when she embarks on the path of art, she naturally renounces uh love, uh the joy of life, the brilliance of theaters, what she loves and what has surrounded her all her life. she even eventually stops dressing writes. i don't care how i look anymore. she becomes. here's to this path of service. this is pure monasticism, and she dies a virgin. uh, therefore, ideological recruitment, when a person is offered an idea through which it seems to him, he will be able, well, either

to get closer to some desired state or to open up in this case, yes, it ’s very, and as if they successfully offer this idea, which becomes vector of teleology of further movement. i do not agree with the fact that it was a nun who recruited, of course there is another. i thought it was the economic level saying that the rhyme happened it was punk of his time. it seems to me that she refuses this path precisely because it is too predictable, obvious, too simple, that is, this is a choice in the direction of something complex. i think you're oversimplifying that it comes from expectations. no, she goes her own way, not looking back at any expectation. well, that is, not trying to break them, not trying to fix them, she just has a different path. i have the third version. although she lists quite a lot of loves. ah.

all the time i had the feeling that this was falling in love, you know, like a medieval kurtaz poetry, when there is a beautiful lady, when she needs to be loved and written, but at the same time a knight who writes poetry, he does not even know and has never seen this beautiful lady, that is, the point is this, and the point is just to love, but to be in this state and be updated emotionally. yes, and it seems to me that for a long time for the bashkirts, and love was not seriously interesting for her, it was important to feed on, and feed on to catch inspiration, but it seems to me that hmm, if she thought about the family seriously, it prevented her to work. this was disturbing her. uh, devoting oneself to painting, and that's why all the crushes are platonic, because it's very convenient for the artist, but on the other hand. and this is

hmm the last months of her life. she is here, it seems to me, i believe her, she was a little sorry about what happened, that it was very stupid of me not to do the only thing worth it, the only things that give happiness, make you forget all sorrows love, yes love two loving beings introduce themselves absolutely perfect physical and moral relations. especially in the moral. well, it is immediately clear that a person has no practice, right. and i think it's wonderful. and it 's very expensive actually, but she actually had a real love story that ended badly and having already passed it, she went into denial. let's just say because she collided. uh, metro tunnel, yes, this is the cardinal's nephew, a young man who courted for a very long time confessed his love, but

uh, for that he called to marry this kiss with him. she sorry. yes, the kiss was with him, the kiss was a violation of, let's say, the secular rules of the aristocratic, that is, the bashkirs themselves assessed this as a moral decline. she was terribly tormented by this kiss, that he allowed a man to kiss him. ah, because it broke her reputation, as she thought , because the wedding never happened, and it did not happen, because the cardinal was against this marriage, and er, the young man depended on his parents. he said i can't go there i can't do it i can't do it because i wasn't told to parents and get that he is such a dependent person. and, of course, bashkirs was disappointed in this and the fact that he eventually abandoned it. bye. well, she really refused too in the sense that she did not want to accept catholicism. she wanted to remain orthodox. but, at least, i assessed the situation in this way, if she had accepted

catholicism, probably, this marriage would have been more real, but she was disappointed in this man, apparently, that is why there is such an emphasis on morality in this quote. it seems to me that she understood the essence of what was happening from the very beginning. a exactly what he just expects guarantees from her. he tries in every possible way to get from her what she says, yes, to do. e, decide on a feat, for my sake. everything will be open from my side. and she does not give this guarantee, because she knows that she will be constrained by her, that if something happens later, she will remember all this and blame him for everything well. and we can talk about the bashkir, as a descriptor, but as a woman, the pioneers who declared some kind. eh, well, let's just say the prosaic beginning is already feminine in literature. uh, or we can't uh, call her serious writer. i think we can call her

a pioneer pioneer. that's already enough . but on this. probably we will modestly put an end to it, because if you go into details and analyze this text from a literary point of view. we well, we may not have anything left, in fact, but to give it its due, as literature. you mean, well, lisa litzburg has only the term intermediate literature, and it is very successful, because it is without a valuable member. but this is all that is not the main one. actually, there artistic work and diaries memoirs, they are just the same, uh, belong to this intermediate literature. i think it's bashkirian. well, i started my diary. eh, well, how such a peculiar project and she herself says about it, that if i die without becoming famous as an artist. uh, at least you'll be interested in this, uh, literary document, right? uh, yes, that is,

uh, initially. she has a very clear premise. uh, understandable, intention. she wants to step over. e death. she wants to last into the future even after her death. yes chooses art, how exactly is the path to become immortal, to be afraid of oblivion? ah, because she . her constant appeal. here to god he serves her like a magic wand, or just such a saying, and deep religiosity is there, of course. no, she is mystically gifted , so to speak, because she has a premonition of her death. and uh, somehow describes his original path, how short she writes from the very beginning. i will die, early and so

on. maybe so yes, or maybe e that everyone at this age? uh, feel uh sprouts, all teenagers. maybe they'll die soon? yes, but often the history of average life expectancy at that time was much lower than now, so it's too early to die. well , perhaps, for that time, 25 was actually not even early. it seems to me that if she was a true religious, then, and she would not have such an obsession with glory, because the vanity of a and religiosity is not very compatible humility. this is the way she generally said that the service of the arts and the service of god are probably not the same thing. of course not. me too, by the way. do you think it's the same thing i think it is? well, the forms, uh, that can even be in childhood yes, the forms, and we

can say that the bashkirs are the emancipators of their female feminism, olga , can you say something about this, you understand? she tried to write a little about feminism, she was ridiculed, for this, again, here. that part of the life that she spent, let's say. e in the conventions of a patriarchal society, probably not. but when she is radically torn apart, that is with the scenario of a secular beauty. yes, that's the perfect wording. here we can already talk about something serious. yes, she paved the way for women who followed in her footsteps, well , on the one hand, for example, and liza dyakonova , who probably really was one of the first real feminists in russia, and to the bashkirs hmm, she did not have a high opinion about the competitor. well, they

are too far apart in time to be competitors. lisa was no longer the first. yes, there is still elena eh? this is and we are in the thirties, well, the peak of her literary career, she died 1.842. and here she is, by the way, uh, despite the fact that she, mm, was a completely inconspicuous figure, but at the same time it was quite popular to read, or she, but was published in the library for reading yakovsky, she spoke. uh, some hmm questions that can be called meniscus. why don't women get access to education? why are we hmm so limited compared to men in what we can do, so in elena gan's case it was kind of a conscious uh statements, probably by example by example. yes, she showed by example, that

such a path is possible and it is worthy of respect, and it is possible, really cool. but in general, so, if you want to convince people of something they need or tell about it and the network or show it, so take it into your life with your work, at least, she actually indicates the problem in her painting. she has, uh, female figures that are either turned with their backs there, in the picture there is a meeting there, uh, the boys are going in the foreground, but talking, and behind in the distance the silhouette of a woman and it is not a woman who is turned away, a little girl who turned away. and this is, of course, uh, a saying about a place about a woman's place, they're a woman's fair place in uh, in current events. yes. e, however. i think the bashkirtseva managed to immortalize her name in one way or another. yes we know her talking about her and she lends inspiration to people as the first one goes by. and i ’m very cool that if she didn’t introduce

the life of a russian aristocrat in europe , she actually lived in russia, then perhaps we could to talk about in connection with feminism somehow more confidently, because well, there were bestuzhev courses, that is, uh, women's issues were growing, and it seems to me that she would have received there, and the environment in order to develop in every case to think in this direction. it was a podcast, a must-read with you aglaya na batnikova, director, writer, host of the podcast, olga breingi, writer, literary anthropologist, was my guest. translator and vladislav gorodetsky writer architect, we discussed maria bashkirtseva and her diary.