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cosmic history. today, my guest, the leading psychologists of the cosmonaut training center zhanna shevchenko and natalya filipova , we will discuss how the psychological stages of selection of astronauts go. what psychological tests do you use and most importantly, how to pass this test, our service is both at first glance, as if not visible, and at a second glance. natasha is invisible. third too we are engaged in professional selection for cosmonauts, accompanying astronauts at all stages of their training. and escort during space flight. and, of course, upon returning from space flight. and how many crew did you train? oh, we somehow asked this question here, we read that there were 35 space crews. we have successfully

prepared for space flight, in general. i know that it is the psychological selection that goes through candidates for astronauts, that is , applicants who come to us in star cities. this is the first one they're with meet it with you. tell me how it goes. how long? which tests are applied to our work begins the study of documents, we are sure to have met the president. yes, we are not interested in his life path, where he received his education, how much education he has, whether this education is connected with the specifics of the activity of the cosmonaut and a. such work already initially allows. make up such a primary opinion about a person. yes, we also love to look at documents that are written by hand, because it already says a lot, yes, it is written from hands autobiography. i think

an autobiography has also accumulated, he writes by hand, yes an essay, where he expresses his thoughts about why he wanted an essay article? well, it's something like a school essay. the candidate is asked to write about himself the most interesting facts from his biography from his personal life, what he himself wants to tell about himself. why did he make such a choice? why did he uh decide to uh apply for the preselection? in general, this is how to say the very study of one's own motivation. and some further goals. that's all, this you need to put it on paper, and i’ll write it on a computer, namely by hand, so that you have such a psychological portrait, of course, yes an image for us. for us, this is how much time you give, and the sek is prepared in advance on the instructions of people who collect documents at the

preparation center. in our country, at this stage, this is not even that psychological selection, but simply the stage of collecting information. but we already know something about a person. we are already preparing. yes, already some. image we have some kind of psychological tests applied to each individual, or you clearly need to pass a certain amount there, i don’t know today tomorrow how long, by the way, the psychological examination lasts , uh, sometimes the whole day, and sometimes the next day, we continue to test the candidate, of course there is a battery of tests that is universal for all astronaut candidates, but uh , there are also individual diagnostic techniques that we use to confirm or refute. uh, a hypothesis that needs to be added some kind of test. yes, yes, getting to know a person more deeply tests are not the whole story.

psychology. yes, this is not all our survey. we observe, but at other stages, and selection, for example, we go to everything. uh, training sessions for athletes. we watch him dive. uh, from the tower, the pool, how he passes the standards, how he runs. let's see his endurance. we look at how he communicates at this moment, but with all the specialists. this also gives us a lot of information about how he listens to instructions, for example, at some stage of the selection, how he is e clearly and e, unquestioningly. there are traces. it's all these moments for us very important. we compose in this way. constantly go, we celebrate you, yes, yes, well, how to write down some, maybe interesting tests. you will reveal to us. this candidate cosmonaut comes to our psychological commission at a certain time and the first task that we give him is this. please tell us

enough information about yourself here. he wrote to you by hand what he wrote. this he wrote. uh, in a calm atmosphere, sitting at home, no one distracted him, no one distracted him. put uh, in a stressful situation. and here can someone suggest? yes, but he wrote about himself. eh, well, pretty enough. yes enough. maybe it's romantic there or is he acting like some kind of hero? yes, here he comes before him. here he is, for example, like this, when now you are in front of us, yes, and in a chair, and in front of him are four specialists. here they look at him and ask him questions. of course, this is, well, uncomfortable, to put it mildly, plus a motivating situation. at the same time, he thinks what to answer him, that he will not say here once and a minus, of course. he doesn't know what we value. he doesn't know what the questions will be. he can't

offer a single test. well, by the way, this stressful interview can be considered a test. this is the very first test. why because for 10 minutes no more no less, and you will talk about yourself? the information that you consider necessary to convey to us, we will not support you with a look, a smile, or additional questions. yes and. uh, you need to manage your own time. in order to meet so much, i want to joke on this topic now, probably, the contenders in astronauts who are now preparing to come to our detachment are writing down candidates so the first task will be an interview. the most important goal of the conversation is for you to learn how to pass , we do not mind. let them come. let them prepare their stressful interview. and then we have e. there are a lot of test blocks. among them

, there are tests that are similar, and we have such a soft one for how a person undergoes a polygraphy examination, when a person joins the next question, answer only yes or no. yes, there are a lot of questions the person responds sensors fix his psychophysiological parameters. by the way, this was not in your selection. this is how many questions there are two in different ways, there is an example and a thousand, yes, space printing from 100 to 150, for example, questions do you often violate traffic rules and cross the road where it is not supposed to. who wants to be good is he obedient, right? ugu or for example such statement. uh, i never tell

a lie, and there are questions that can be repeated under different sauces the same question under different sauces. and you definitely never don't tell lies. and remember, when was the last time you didn’t tell the truth or the cases when you crossed the road to e, in the wrong place, and here the person also has some kind of dissonance that it ’s me 25 times about the same thing. and by the way, he also reacts to the question in different ways. we already have conversations in a completely different way as a result we had an interesting test uh, a test method, but it contained very old stimulus pictures and uh, they were shabby, but for us , we mattered and one of the candidates. well in the aftermath, he ended up in a detachment. he was very angry about that. why did they give me pictures so shabby? about something there are no normal pictures, or what? you it was? really? is it real or is there, for example, a test,

uh, where do you have to choose? eh, their faces are ugly more questions. yes? yes, 20 years ago i didn’t have a polygraph then, but the faces were really black and white, i still remember. yes , anton is probably still, uh, your group patted the pictures for us after 20 years. we have them like this. well, how did we load them. what energy yes? yes, well, i never understood why exactly these terrible black-and-white foxes and you have to choose which one you like from them, and these are personality tests anton yes, not all of them, they are all unpleasant, they are all unpleasant. and here, if unpleasant it is necessary to choose the most pleasant most pleasant. what is it to talk about? this speaks of some kind of unconscious processes of the individual, which later affects his character, his behavior, his actions. and so, if for example, uh, a person chooses certain faces. this is a propensity propensity to aggressiveness prone to compulsive behavior. where is the aggression. yes

for example, a shy person will choose a completely different category of person, uh description cards, to prepare for your selection. anton will help by the way, yes , there are good ones to prepare. yes , what an example we have, when a person decided to outwit psychologists, he decided to prepare. and for this he went to others, of course i was preparing. here you can prepare. yes, you can practice here. and we have a whole pool of psychological tests, which we call designed. it is never possible to prepare for them, even if a person one oh, now we’ll tell you, it’s just, uh, all kinds of drawing tests tests for associative thinking, the choice of certain color solutions, yes. or, for example, continue the phrase a-a everything, yes, yes, it is

projective. and we also want to give you a task for a long time, yes, it didn’t pass with us. what should anton do? you will now be in the role of, uh, the director of a blockbuster of some uh, later, this blockbuster will be famous, it will gather huge halls of spectators, and in this blockbuster of yours the main character will be an alien, whom you yourself will invent your task is you to draw an alien to think. what role will he play in your blockbuster and we will tell us about it later, tell our astronaut candidates, by the way, they also pass drawing tests, but here we are a little further, and the variations are such, uh, freely, therefore, in order not to disclose any - then the tests used. when diagnosing, i would come vladimir mulyavin and his songwriters true story. big premiere tomorrow after

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caused the pain, if there are pentalgin universal remedies against different types of fields, pentalgin will do without pain. i am anton shkaplerov and we continue our space stories with the leading psychologists of the cosmonaut training center zhanna shevchenko and natalya filippova. the most important preparation is to be yourself during e-testing. if a person pretends to be a psychologist , he will definitely notice and there are again diagnostic procedures with sensors that will show that he is not that of himself is. well, here are projective tests, but let's train. uh, to determine the direction of the compass there, yes or or a, the choice to memorize numbers is, well, really, you can still somehow yes, but you can’t actually prepare with a projective test, hmm, because, but we don’t have e not only consciousness. we

have, uh, the unconscious and the projective test is exactly what our unconscious projects. and at what point that it will project. it is not clear and here is one our man decided. i will be more than assertive, but aggressive enough to be so m-m tough. well, draw draw an ordinary butterfly. yes and so he drew this butterfly drew a butterfly, while uh, uh, a subtype of his personality, a butterfly. it didn’t fit at all, but there were other diagnostic tools that allowed us to understand that the pressure with which he draws a butterfly, the location of the butterfly indicates just uh, other sides of his personality, about which you don’t want to tell us. we are , after all, with him. uh, we talked and asked a few questions, did he undergo training

for psychologists somewhere else, and then he honestly told us answered that yes, yes he was taught to you. therefore, we know, it’s for sure from his own lips, and then he seemed to be very surprised, how profitable do you know that i was preparing for this, well , because all the other tests, all the rest of our observations of his personality show something completely different. why, it’s obvious that what he drew was, as it were, inappropriate for him. so, and then he said, e such a phrase, after all , you had to be yourself, but next year you can come to be yourself. well, in the next uh, once or if you have already written off everything, yes, unfortunately do not go, who do not pass, that is, speak halfway. good for half. we're lucky, we won't get more work, and the next selection, because the person who didn't go through psychology won't be able to be a good candidate for the second time.

and what will not be an impression. what, for example, did you draw wrong or wrong? what did you count there? not only does it affect the huge array of information that we collect during the uh time of our yes psychological selection and our observations and uh, the huge battery of tests that will be performed, and the candidate cosmonauts and our hmm well, you can even say a consultation, yes, psychologists , when we collect all this data we will discuss among ourselves, by the way, i wanted to talk about the same thing with anton, because anton was just on the same from the preselection, in my opinion, not even one yes, it was an impression, what do you think, in general, is it really important? when you had them, they didn’t pass, it was clear that they didn’t find it at all. yeah, there's nothing to do there, by the way, on these. here we are talking, that is , lyushera yes, obviously not a russian surname. and what more tests?

well, it has a name, except for luscher, there are a lot, if among them the russian psychologist is all adapted to ours . we don’t have such tests that have not been adapted to our environment . well, how is it adapted, for example, there is a birch tree there , yes or adaptation - this is so-and-so motivational tests , a lot of ours and luskans and diagnostic e, we won’t pronounce these names for many, many questionnaires, because many tests, by the way speaking, e domestic psychologists. e, participates in the selection, so the nature of the questions changes. yes, in the course of this adaptation of the test it is for our environment. uh, questions change. even some changes. no no. no, we use standardized tests that have been promoted. here we are just like that from the ceiling

tests. we take the selection to talk. there is the most interesting thing everyone is interested in. this is ours. eh, i would not say that my favorite, yes, the camera is sternly. i know that it changes from uh selection to selection, that is, we passed, in my opinion, in monday we sat down helped out on saturday morning, then someone sits somehow for 3 days. first of all, the time changes, as i understand it, and the tasks that are set for this period. that's about the surdo camera. tell us i can say that it only needs to go through once. if passed twice it is not necessary absolutely right. yes, it already passes the candidates for cosmon, that is, the enlisted corps of cosmonauts yes, the first 2 years that go here at this time of space training. yes, it's a selection. this is still a selection, despite the fact that such a camera. this is a small room. closed, isolated from other premises , people who are in a outside

this room is a team on duty, this is a doctor , this is a psychologist and this is an engineer who is watching 24 hours by three. for e. our astronaut candidate. at this time, in this small room , the astronaut does not sleep for 64 hours. and he performs certain activities according to the cyclogram , i can say that the most important thing is that you don’t hear anything from the sounds for yourself, he says, there isn’t, you don’t understand a single window, except on the clock. well, they still love it. and yes, why as far as i remember, she’s such a huge metal bomb shelter, as far as i remember, uh-huh and yes, there to communicate, well, for example, to receive a laptop of tasks, or food, or some surprise gifts from uh, there are relatives of

your colleagues’ friends, cosmonauts there is such a gateway, that is, it turns out on the one hand. if it opens from the other side, you will not see or hear in any way. only already you will receive that all pensions. yes, we have prepared a cyclogram for you, scroll through. look, that's something. well, the most important thing. yes, it was hard for 3 days not to sleep and work. and i remember that before as i sat on the camera. eh, they said that you can’t take it, i’ll remember it for sure. that you can’t take a tennis ball, that my colleague in front of me, who was going through the trial chamber, in order not to fall asleep, especially during these acute hours from 4:00 to 6:00 in the morning, he took a tennis ball, threw it at the beginning just at the wall, but he jumped up then it became not so interesting. he began to throw at one wall. the ricochet was in another and so on, and then i don’t know, apparently he invented everything so as not to fall asleep and then just

our medical department specialists. all in all, the who's brigade asked not to take more tennis balls, because, uh, we don't hear anything. it is well audible, because there are microphones. this is the peculiarity of four to six, it’s like such a head, only here is a tennis ball, and we really love it, when astronauts either sing or play musical instruments in the surround chamber, but we already understood not on drums. i remember, i think i will learn to play the guitar always wanted to learn the time was not i took the guitar. i asked my friend who it's good to play the guitar so that he gives me a songbook. well, where the words are, and such famous songs, he drew chords for me. well, what did you put there? as if, but here with his right hand from scratch, and here he was drawing chords on the go. i literally don’t know there, i’m already sitting down, and he came to see me off and began to draw these chords. well, i drew some. so, when i had already sat down, when i had

free time, i took a guitar and took a pension for a minute. i understood. what a melody of the word i knew very well, i started to play only, unfortunately, that's all the song. there was somewhere around 30 songs at least, not one e song had all the chords that i drew, at least one was missing. and so when i sat down to play, well, i learned to play. i pick it up once, yes, the melody is coming. all well, when i come to the moment where there is no drawing. i think, well, i'm actually quite so stupid, i think i'll pick it up myself. here, i've been picking this up all night. so, when i came out, they told me anton if we knew, we didn’t give you a guitar, because all night i have the same melody that it was and in my opinion, drip-drip, how marrusya from uh, ivan vasilievich changes his profession. yes yes yes. and by the way, here, uh, the current candidates for the astronaut, we even write written letters now compose their own.

that is, this is one sochi song. we bring a lot of different well-known texts to the surdu, well, well-known, which are different and different , yes. songs that are well-known and the texts and tasks for them need to be redone, and the text of the song on the topic of the surdokamera, by the way, yes, yes, in general, leave the music as it was, and remake the words. i think that by the end he should have changed what he wanted at the beginning write. do you want siri? yes, of course, the tired toys of the book are sleeping, only in the starry i can not sleep. i am a candidate. even a fairy tale goes to bed so that we can dream at night, except for us. well, there are five more quatrains further, and also from the famous song in the dark blue forest, only further are the words. ah. the oaks and

sorcerers have been snoring for a long time. we just don't sleep here. i'm on duty and at the same time we drink strange words. further obscene, and let us not sleep. there is one that is closed every beaten hour with a ball knocking on everyone's head. a was there a ball? center training people like this with a lot of talent? and flex skills and flex skills, so yes, if anything, let's sing let's go with you. yes, and by

what qualities cosmonauts are selected anton here you would be. by what qualities would you select astronauts? well, a person must be patient. yes, quite educated smart, cultured size joyful hmm as a result. he must be an optimist to believe that he will pass this one will fly. i don't know, to the moon to mars, and there's nothing to be ashamed of. because of of this we go all aromatika. well, a romantic should be a romantic, of course, love his homeland, be proud, or something, he was born in such a great country that gave gagarin to all mankind, oh, a wonderful mandate for the future. astronauts two stars fathers and children watch the new season after the evening news for headaches, there is askofen p at an affordable price and askofen ultra with a reinforced composition to combat headaches and migraines askofen when your head hurts. i will have time to get

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, too. interesting, but we've been selecting for quite a long time. yes, we already know a lot about personality, and the isolation chamber is purely our psychological experiment. well study. yes, if it is correct to say the study, after which we psychologists already know almost everything about a person, yes, because this experience yes, that's such hmm privacy privacy. and besides, uh, a person does not sleep for 64 hours , the psyche is under such, uh, pressure , stress. yes, everything flies from a person. well, how to say, shoro-shory? yes, people are generally accepted. yes, that's the standard, yes, after all, a person is normal, everyone knows about himself, yes, that he is there. so strong and hardy. yes, and what is positive from all sides, and what is he capable of, when such a load, as a rule, a person does not know and what comes out is what is poured, what is needed yes, from the temptation, therefore. let's draw as i drew, by the way, you

asked that you can in a nutshell in a quick way, yes, what you asked to draw. i remember the sound chamber. we drew this alien. yes photon - this is just e from solar energy. he e to us the sun. then it is, yes, an elementary particle of solar energy, the call sign of a sud chamber in a sound chamber. by the way, everyone has their own call sign. wow, i don't remember, then one more question to backfill already, what was the most difficult in the isolation chamber was the one, just not dropping four to six. even though i didn't sleep for two days. it's like a day there night still changed one of the days. uh, but when they decided to sleep, uh, that's when that time passed. uh, well, my wife brought me every morning. uh, fresh newspapers, i don’t know how it was allowed now, and i could read what was happening in the world there, but there is no internet. and i got on one very interesting article and when

i decided to sleep. in short, i read it myself, and there it was on two strips. i continued to read. although i already knew that i wanted to sleep. well, such a stress, well, such an interesting story was. i kept reading it, then i was told. yes, but they didn't say. i'm in the same place a set of light bulbs. uh, yes, uh, red green, there is some other color, in my opinion, yes, and a set of these lights shows, well, this or that team is there. no, i don’t know how to sleep, getting up and so on. and now i've already been there several times, like once it's time to sleep, then they turned off the general light for me. well, there was a lamp that was under the bed and turned it on and read it anyway. and this is a phenomenon, by the way, uh, everyone is waiting for this moment, when you need to go to bed, when you need to go to bed, otherwise ours. and we had two comrades russian. and here they are, how one of them came up with this, he said that he is an eastern man and he will meditate, he lay down

on the bed. well, like squatting did this meditation pose. well, of course, he fell asleep. well, in the beginning , everyone thought he could really meditate, then there was even a signal, in my opinion. yes , you know guys. in short, we already have all the light bulbs and we always wanted to remove this signal. well , they removed it, so it didn’t pass, yes, and then someone was. that's just one of the engineers, who was sitting there, a man, he went to the fire shield, where er in the case of the fire department and there was a louder shovel. no, he approached this door, just from this iron one, and he began to beat on it, well, a good guy. well, on such a break, in short, he woke up. and after that, everyone was told and the second one was told, no meditation. you can’t sit on the bed there, roughly speaking, that’s all, well, we also have our own freedom in the trial cell, for example, we say you can’t stand on your head. this will aggravate your situation, because you will then feel bad and some candidates. they still decide that the state is on

the head will help them shower afterwards , you can take very well when putting these puzzles together. look how rich the cyclogram is now, there are how many pages i looked already realized that there are a lot of creative tasks. speech tasks sat less, but sat longer, because you had the first day with sleep, you entered, as if the backgrounds were like that, yes. the first day you worked, then you put in sleep, then it was 64 hours of spring. everything is the same as here, and then again you did the backgrounds and worked again, as if at the output now of the first and there is no fifth day. here we have the second enough. yes, because we organize it, and in order for a person to come and get enough sleep, he remains on the territory. i get enough sleep in the hotel in star city and come already fresh, like a cucumber. we understand that in addition to the trial chamber, you are always with

us. this is skydiving, flying on airplanes is survival. well, everywhere they come to exams. i don’t know, go to the dining room , peep there and get going. yes, because crews are still being formed. all your opinion is asked and maybe the most most importantly, when we fly, you accompany us uh, you know us uh, thank you very much for coming to the tsup there is and uh, there are also your own. e, in the soup, which, but always ours. therefore, from the position you are huge for helping us not only to enter this rank of cosmonauts, but in general, all of our training every year we go through a medical examination, we meet with you. and who are we for you friends or specialists, who are all doctors friends for me. and even if something finds me, i always have such a concept, thank god that found. we continue our conversation with zhanna shevchenko and natalia filippova and i, anton shlapperov. well, what can i say, right? anton actually, you

were not drawing an alien. you painted yourself. however, you are not red-haired, but you are the kind of person who has a lot of bright energy to achieve. this is a very bright personality. you are a person who lives not only for himself for his profession. but you also strive to be useful, and a lot of people have a mission inside you to give, because i just know well 20 years. this is because it's because your figure is drawn in this way with a wide, and the scope is such a yes, amplitude. yes, people are wings, you strive to embrace the immensity you are with such. she answers for everyone with energy, yes, and i can also say from the picture that, most likely, hmm are you ready

now not only to be engaged in the main type of your activity, yes, professional, but it is also very important for you to pass on your experience to people who are with you meet. you have. uh, the human image is an alien, not some kind of zigzag some kind of there, not me, not a clearly amorphous creature , these are quite sane aliens who have emotions, who have such an interesting hair, some kind of cosmic completely complete. by the way, hmm, you are the kind of person who protects his personal space. you protect your loved ones, you don't shoot. yes, show me, show me, well, the left left part is in the hand, it is so reinforced a little . hmm, decorated in a different way. pay

attention to the fact that yes attitude is our close social environment, which we love here at you have more responsibility for it, the hand is wider. uh, you pay more emotional attention to your loved ones. yes, there are people who show off. so he came, the sun is shining, the sun is shining, he came home and became gloomy. so the house is the place that protects you. uh, this is your resources and you , and you care a lot about your resources about your loved ones, but uh, tell me some kind of parting word, that's for those people who watch our programs and dream parting words to be themselves first. it is important that a person already has a vision. what is he going for? yes exactly what for hmm how to say for mastering a profession for professional self-realization, they

are in terms of some personal ambitions yes, that's how it was, uh, when, uh, an open selection was announced and there were no restrictions. hmm. yes and then a lot of people came to us with very such. well, let's say a strange unformed motivation, for example, there were a lot of housewives, yes, i stayed at home, yes, children are so in space. yes, you will dispel, for example, i quit, i'll go. i girls will prove that i can even astronauts. oh, by the way, yes. here, maybe maybe it's not good in and of itself. let's go, but for the profession of astronauts, of course, this is an immature motivation. yes, that's not enough. everything is fine. let's imagine what a person will do in space in 50 years, probably a person. uh, some space cities will be built by this time. most likely, there will already be technologies, perhaps they will also

be completely different, since technologies are developing quite rapidly now. how far we will fly, probably beyond the limits of our solar system, but we i want to. i listen to you. well, yes, it will already be. like some kind of question that is asked somehow in an interview. so well, it seems to us that if 50 years ago people were asked what would happen in 50 years, they would probably not have drawn close pictures that already live in this real real person. here's to such fantastic films that we now see in science fiction films. for some reason , there is such confidence that this is exactly what will happen. what i don’t know, the tablets will be there, well, there are transparent. yes, like in these films touched, already all the information is somehow issued. today we opened the curtain on the secret of this. uh, how is it going from psychologists?