dad read to me all russian literature, all foreign literature, not only dostoevsky, just one book, uh, russian literature, one book of foreign literature, and i did the same and this is the basis of the general relationship. i believe that at this moment you can study poorly at school, but only when your family gives you such signs, but then, of course, we all sat. uh, booty on the floor in the hermitage and looked at the ceiling at the judging glances of those passing by. so people together we tried to guess the flemings. the name of the canvas is standing weather. it was important to me tell. it was important for me to show them the prodigal son. it would be important for me to go together, of course, and then it was important to me when mikhail borisovich petrovsky showed it to me. and it seemed to me that it was important to him that i knew very well where the belt was hanging, you understand? you, too, were very pleased with him, but again, here, who studied what, as it were, i believe that what i could and knew to tell them as i know

or, for example, uh, in israel, tell about what i i know, oh, but gospel events and show, she told me to go through it together growth, there and during our trips, what i could give and know and, uh, we could discuss it together, we managed to do it and it seems to me that this is really part of such a family tradition with us. well, i don’t know if you dreamed or thought or that you would become a minister, but i think that even if you thought about it, you definitely couldn’t even imagine that you would have to be the minister of culture at a time when russian culture cancel. uh-huh what are your predictions? how would you feel this time, really, probably, the most difficult months for everyone the first months of a special military operation, which were associated with high-profile interviews of people who, most recently , were multi-year budget recipients, let's say, so endless here it is, many hours

of high-profile ones who quote terrible, destrubilizing those who remained, insulting those people who continue to take the stage there is such a real school bullying. yes, when people are really confused and you understand, it's easier for me, because my task is. eh, save and save everyone who is nearby. that is, i do not have time for self-reflection. probably if i sat on the patriarch's ponds at 12 noon and had breakfast with a girlfriend, probably by 2:00 in the afternoon breakfast would have ended with a panic attack. well, in this, since i have to work hard from 8:00 in the morning and understand how completely we are changing the repertoire. we suspend all contracts we return. collections that were in other countries, uh, our federal and non-federal ones, let us recall that at the time it was abroad. how many

paintings of outstanding paintings were not paintings we had a lot of exposure there, which was a separate operation of yours, in order to return them to russia jointly by the correctional staff of my collegium. our ministry of transport helped us a lot and customs they are no ministry of culture on their own and of course the ministry of foreign affairs. yes, threats that these works will not be given. they will never return to russia was completely non-figurative. she was even so loud, as if with words, like a threat, not to wind each other up, but importantly it was precisely understood that every masterpiece that is in a friendly or not friendly country for the duration of the special operation will return back and remain in the museum fund of the russian federation. yes, it's completely back. it was a very big job from south korea to say. we have huge connections in western europe. and these

connections have always been there. therefore, if we are talking about forecasts, and we are well aware that the inter-museum dialogue will, of course, be revived, because at the moment the largest collections in the world are not working with the russian the federation is stealing from itself. you know, i'll give them an example. we had a very beautiful exhibition of elena yurievna gagarina for a long inter-museum huge international project, which was called the duel, it seems, on march 8th. yes , a museum was supposed to open in the moscow kremlin, the prides of spain, france and england gathered here in 5 days. and all our exposition was destroyed there , respectively, a few days before opening, and suddenly the entire union of museums, which before that was always inside us, so we all shared there one with the other, the other did not. here so straighten your shoulders. we say that in the state historical museum we have a rapier no, well, in general, we decided on a ring. i'm so a second in the museum's colleagues 5 million er

only the state historical museum of storage facilities and everything starts just in the moscow kremlin of course, this exhibition took place. this is the reaction of a healthy person to the abolition of russian culture. as far as how we should respond. i'm convinced i was asked what to keep learning great french literature great english literature, we won't name other names or invent a nationality. uh, the same rembrandt velasquez, which is kept by the ukrainian artist ivazovsky, they will not be ukrainian belarusian at all. they will not be artists, except for those very flemings or there spaniards or italians or frenchmen who they were. and there is one more very important point. do you understand? we are prone to some kind of fraud all the time. it's endless to blame. and now i wonder who was the art critic who wrote that aivazovsky didn’t even armenian. uh-huh, but just a ukrainian, you understand? he

knows that this is not so, that he is hovhannes vazyan, of course, and that this is a lie and that you are lying, as an art critic. you go towards the political situation and step on your own profession, i can’t help but ask about resonant appointments , resonant non-renewal of contracts. so on. that's when you prepare such a decision. do you understand what the resonance will be? uh-huh, how do you discuss it? how is it to be taught? he will call, who will tell you beloved? what are you doing? firstly. this, what you mention happens extremely rarely, yes, and the system , ideally, of how a person’s contract ends, and it is often extended and just claims, mainly and most often to the ministry of culture, that you are extending these all the time, why don’t you staff turnover? you see, you see one side, but there is another side that says why the same faces in culture for 20 years. give way to other

young people there, so, uh, and so on, they are resonant, and then we, we take this into account. specificity. why is this being done, there are no sporadic random decisions. it's just, uh, unfortunately, chess players have such a concept - it's a zugzwank, yes, when you make, uh, of two difficult decisions, which one will still be safer to pour out situations when they let you still bring up those personnel decisions that you considered necessary. if it didn’t occur to me in the first 30 seconds and nothing stung me with a needle. uh, no, no, one way or another, these were compromises that we discussed, decided and came to a common decision, as if yes, a compromise is sometimes a decision that leaves everyone dissatisfied, but nevertheless, at this stage it should be like this, then

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without pain. this is a paws podcast podcast first persons, my name is natalia loseva i am visiting journalists. i have the minister of culture of the russian federation olga lyubimova, we all know. what a huge number of creative people fled through kazakhstan upper lars before later, someone from your close circle left, of course not, what, of course, friends and me , got again and went to the family. what are you up to? what they wrote that i, as a decent person, am obliged to lay down my post, of course , so that it’s impossible to bet there, i don’t know what then to sit down, uh, leave through upper lars , i don’t know, it has already become their household term. uh, well, sort of, i've been hearing this again

since i was appointed. that i owe something immediately, in general, i owe something immediately , and yes, and so we talked with you about this, if want, such a plot arc for me. for me, already at that moment, by february of last year, the mining system was ready for me to just not even hide there. we all left because of the social networks that were popular at that time and moved to other social networks. simply, at least, because they did not call for killing our compatriots with you. and uh. i said goodbye to this life. i can’t say that i reflect strongly, so it means, uh, if this is such a relationship, if indeed, they so it turned out, so they were, well, somehow superfluous, and god will judge them, really. well

, i got the impression that you are personally interested in the fact that artists go to donbass, so that luhansk and donetsk artists tour and go to some exhibitions. look, when again the first thing that we could do happened and it immediately began in march, we took our people from there. eh, colleagues, now our compatriots. and what, it means you took away , completed the construction of big touring fools, because these are people who came to us and many of them women at that moment had their husbands employees on a special operation, they played theaters, we are on vacation on tour, and then we went further to defend our homeland. and this is absolutely fantastic, and they are through belgorod through all, in my opinion, 54 regions. they passed, and it was important for us to warm them up; it was important that there were full houses

; it's very, very, very amazing in and of itself. biography people. uh, with uh incredible fate and dedication. and therefore, of course, i really want to help them, and then, when i became, perhaps we began to bring there our first museum projects began to bring our first tours there. that's when people go on tour, they are more or less safe places, or it's pretty close to the front line coming up, well, first of all, on the front line. everyone gets in the way. hmm, the military will never allow that. well, because, and some, of course, the most courageous meetings come and uh, young guys, there are performers. well, again . it's a question of do no harm. well, well, this is how you imagine what kind of system. it should be for the symphony orchestra to bring uh to the front line. well, of course, no

, of course, it's a matter of what it's more work. where they let us in. we've got a good job. with the ministry of defense. after all, this is work. even where the guys perform, our teams perform. eh, and that's a lot. where already rehabilitated not tsinichenko. it turns out that there are guys without legs without hands, and in front of them are healthy. i perceive it even lies in the first place, this tradition my grandmother danced on a truck and with a corpse, of course, everything related to rehabilitation. you know, there is an exemplary absolutely amazing performance in the theater. marvelous absolutely , there were examples of it last year. and even there everything was built. the memory of exemplary sergei, including this was very much in tune with the time. just a heartbreaking memory of how he speaks to the wounded and that he is torn apart? just, well he is a bibobo, well, where are the people who have seen

death, terrible heavy operations. uh, exhausted tired doctors, and he comes, uh, to the head physician and says. well, do i have the right, he says, let's go to the intensive care unit, this is very necessary. there are just tears. it is impossible to completely fragment and nothing in this sense changes, neither in people, nor in the history of our country, and the same dedication and all. we also need to slow down, because i want older performers, when you think, how else, the main thing is to ensure the safety and health of those who travel to us, so that there is no i also had to provide assistance, uh, to those who come. ah, that's actually part of the job. i very often cite this as an example, but, nevertheless, and the growth of the state of the handle, the circus, he himself is from the donbass, his family is from there. it's just him personally and why did the doctor slow him down, we'll go to lugansk i say, well, let's just be careful there without afi. in order not to provoke god there. there's nothing to people not yes-yes. i say,

let's, somehow here gently not, well, there is some kind of small program. no, what are you? well, of course, come on, i say, but whom to call? well cat there i say cats. well, i imagined it like kuklachev, i think. well, this is 11 lions 11 lions well, yes, and the children, of course, have never been to the circus and of course, this is happiness. and, of course, now is not the time to take romeo and juliet and hamlet there, of course, they ask for comedies , they ask for fun concerts, they ask for just such a very peaceful love of joy, and the happiness of the circus for children take by the hand take lev lugansky 11 pieces. yes, and some kind of huge show there is tons of water, which means that this is all face painting balloons are everything a child's time to do. when are you going to make a movie about it? this is amazing as well. i want to say that in general i have, of course, i have a document in me now. leaf it just tears me apart, because i would have to

quit everything altogether. i would shoot and shoot now, but of course, natasha is filming and filming and filming and filming, of course, pure praise to our military commissars. i sort of grew my encores. they were on television always and always . you know that it was such a caste of amazing absolutely men, amazing, absolutely, inspiring incredible respect and having passed all the honor and praise there, and we to their families. they make a huge number of documentaries . we create opportunity. on the one hand, we are creating an opportunity to finance such maps - these competitions are held simply by the ministry of culture. and through the cinema fund, we provide an opportunity . within the framework of the national cultural project, we have more than a thousand cinema halls throughout the country, and we just don’t want to say this content all over russia content is non-feature films presenting films when they can feel your way yes, but scripts have been written for a long time. i'll say movies.

three four. i know for sure they are already filming with him and they think that they will soon finish already there , there everyone is in a hurry, while holding their breath. we are looking forward to how good it will be. how professional will it be? i am a talented doctor. yes, after all, it's still such a mm, as danelia said, cinema is a synthetic art. here. it also consists of how many components and here is the script before post-production. this one is huge this picture goes a long way , we root for him very much for these projects. now this year there will be competitions again, let's see what else they bring and how the texts will change. you understand that the people who write. they reflect the same way. they are exactly the same first reflection, you need time distance, and understanding of what is happening, yes, that is, a correct display. no, what is happening, because it is despite the fact that it is a work of art. we understand that now no one will understand what will be produced. if it's like something uh

incorrect. if there is some fiction, even if there is some fiction, imagine the real participants in the events. yes, at this time, of course, does not happen. it seems to me that you know such kissing people and dateists do not happen to you, this time helps you to live in your church life. well, since childhood, well, of course, well, i don’t know, in principle, life outside the church is simple, because i was baptized at 3 months. this is such a part of my life, believing parents were believers. yes, our connection with the church did not stop in the soviet years, as if grandfather was very in general, well, my mother's family was just a believer, and my father in the next one had all the church-going and very well versed in e, theologically very deeply savvy and educated people. and, of course, i don't know how i am without e church. that's my nervous system to cope. i think that

it would be much more difficult that you, well, interfere and rather lack in order to be absolutely happy here and now. well, i can say that i am a happy person indeed. thank god for everything. that's just a sin to complain to me. and if you could beg for something else. probably a little more time that i can manage, myself a little more time to be close , a little more time to be with my family. a little more time to take a walk in the fresh air. i really miss the sky above my head. we all the time sit under the roof and it is very difficult, because before the civil service. well , the life of a screenwriter and producer. for example, i used to walk a lot. that is, for example, i got up in the morning and wrote a lot, and then i went for a walk for 2 hours, along the independence river from the weather. it was just such a dispute, yes,

then there were no these scandinavian sticks, but in general, this was almost a run. yes, there in general such activity is so very necessary. and here it is. uh, especially in covid the opportunity to go out somewhere in nature. and here are these grass, uh, forest, uh, flowers or some blue-white snow that beats, or here is the spring weather that is outside the window and you really want all these smells, and then once your day off falls there on the shower is soft as luck would have it. and or golden autumn all rushes by before this, perhaps, is not enough. yes, i miss it. here is such a first person of culture of the russian federation, the minister of culture of the russian federation, only borisovna beloved.

hello, schrödinger's code podcast is with you and i'm its host grigory tarasevich, editor-in-chief of a popular science magazine, which is also called schrödinger's cat, and today we 'll talk about time. and we have a wonderful guest psychologist tatyana berezina professor of the department of extreme psychology of the moscow state pedagogical psychologist university. hello tatyana , hello there is time in all sciences. here is theology, yes physics. well, since we will talk not only about the essence of time, but also about how physics manage it, we will not touch it. there are a lot of good things. and i recently came across a study about a biologist's psychological time, which was done by scientists from the university of liverpool. they studied how people perceive time during isolation about how any isolation epidemic.

deprivation, what does it do to our time? but the fact that time changes during isolation is a fairly well-known fact, the only question is how it changes were researched, when people volunteers were naturally placed in isolated rooms, where they did not have a change of day and night , there were no social contacts, nevertheless there was something to do. hobby some interests food, and they had to somehow manage their time. well, the first study, in general, was very strange , they showed that in people, uh, the rhythm becomes not 24 hours. a 48. that is, they are somewhere around 12 hours slept, and 36 were awake. although they seemed to lead normal lives, the second study had a more natural option. yes, it turned out that they somewhere had a rhythm of 25-26 days 25-26 hours.

so, isolation, including social isolation, has a very strong effect on time, we adapt not only to the sun, but also to society, to some kind of social rhythms to social life, and covid decided that we were deprived of the opportunity to adapt to such a familiar social rhythm. morning , work transport. i think that for some reason, time was stretched out, that is, a day a day proved to be longer. but you know what i'll tell you. this is generally quite natural for a person. pay attention people on vacation. they, as a rule, have a daily daily regimen that is also stretched. they sleep longer, stay up later and sleep longer. that is , essentially. if they start by getting up, for example, as before, let's say hours, then the end of the vacation today does not go anywhere,

a vegetative lifestyle. they will sleep until 12:00. more that is. they sleep longer in get up, stay awake, too, go to bed even later. well, i remember my experience of the pandemic, and for me it is a little, probably different from the rest. it seemed to me that time is somehow sluggish for those who are thin. every day is like another. so i got up , no events, no meetings, no upheavals. and can he manage his perception of time at all, make time richly concentrated increase it, in the end, the amount of time, that would be good. tell me how it is now. here. you, when you remember this, but it's been like this for two years turns out it went by very quickly. this is just characteristic of psychological time. uh, in fact, when our time is not full of events, it seems to us that it drags on slowly, that it is stretched out, that the day lasts a very long time, and then, when we

remember it, but it seems that it has not slipped through. so here is such a phenomenon, when time is not saturated, then while it goes, it seems very long, and in memories, it seems to slip, and as if it were not there, therefore, in principle, but in order to stretch time, we need to saturate it events. but then the opposite will happen to you. the day will be missed and , on the contrary, it will seem that the day is running very fast, that you just woke up. it's already evening , subjectively. you say the day has passed. i didn't notice. he will remember something we will remember as a rich great remember. you probably . that's the only thing we can do when we want to stretch the time. we need to saturate it with events, and then in our memory, it will be saturated with another problem that i am sure it faces. many of this procrastination is a word already known to everyone postponing the case. then, where does it

come from? why do we tend to put off something difficult? happened since childhood, what needs to be done, on the contrary, in fact, this can really be connected with the type of time. imagine that you took meatball soup in the cafeteria, that you eat meatball soup first. some people eat the meatball first, it's tasty, and then the soup, other people eat the soup first, and then they eat the meatball. well, some people eat everything together. these are people oriented to the past to the past. they eat first meatball. that is, they try tasty first delicious people, future-oriented tasty meatballs are left for later to eat to the father first, well, to the real one from those who eat a piece of this and that, in short, uh, tend to put off the unpleasant, for later those who eat the meatball first. tell me about our time. how much more

common is procrastination than before, when there was a more structured day , harder work, before our time was controlled by someone else, the superior family, in eventually. if you take it like that, uh, childhood. yes , mom wakes up in the morning, go to school at school , calls, then you come home, let's say even mom meets you here to take into account. well, or there, take at least a serf working at a factory, that is, the organization of this time was controlled by someone external. and now, in general, if the state of society were good enough, people would be partially free from external coercion, but still they would be and now we can manage ourselves in due time, but not everyone knows how. but as win farewell, how to manage time? well, how did i say it?

this is the type of person, in fact, it is difficult to change your type, but, firstly, it is desirable to know him in order to know your peculiarity, and secondly , well, probably by training, like everything else by creating a clear daily routine, in general there are many different ways to deal with procrastination. for example, i read here the most profound - is, of course, generally understand why you do not want to do it? why did something become a delicious meatball, and something tasteless soup, how do you live if you have so much tasteless soup i love with soup. and as a metaphor, maybe a person’s life is completely well arranged, that he knocked out such a metaphorical court for himself, where a small tasty meatball and such a large pelvis of tasteless soup are floating, which you have to eat through force, it’s better not tasty. but in the sense of change, it is necessary to place delicious, whoever tastes delicious at first, he will postpone, well , difficult and unpleasant for later can increase the amount of tasty. uh, but it's already change your life so that there are fewer action events

disgusted desire to postpone, you know, such things will always be in our lives. yes, i once wanted them, they will always be, but i have so much quantity when, let's say, 8 hours of work. this is this tasteless soup, and 5 minutes at the bar is a meatball, but it seems that life has not settled down precisely here is the regulation. there is another interesting moment there, for example, you have two things that you do not want to do - clean the apartment and write a diploma. well cum don't want to write anymore, but here's the time you can fill with cleaning apartments. so you, too, could not force yourself to clean the apartment. and so at least a way to force yourself to do a less unpleasant thing, you really will do it, but in general it’s bad or good to do nothing. why do we think that this is bad, because our body is programmed to do what we should do, a person is predisposed to where the activity should be. to do this is equal to work to play sports to run. at least, otherwise he will

feel badly guilty. or something else, yes? we as well as this feeling of guilt to win to start doing something or to accept that you can do nothing? it is very difficult to accept, but, of course, you can accept it, but you understand what an organism is. and that the body needs you physical activity do not stand out in the rest. of course, i have a call , a call to all our listeners to try at least 15 minutes a day, do nothing , read, watch smartphones, do not work, do not go, do not move. so sit down and do nothing. fine? not 15 minutes. it's unbearable 5 million, 3 minutes. try i'll try too honestly. today i will come and here is 15. do nothing. well, yes, it's a good

experiment. i also advise, but i would like to supplement it. we are now working on a problem, just the management of time by biopsychological time. in short, we are now conducting an experiment. we are looking at how daytime sleep affects health, various components of physiological psychological health and about what i have several volunteers who agreed to sleep during the day, just we started talking about fifteen minutes, well 15-30 minutes. it's not like that, sorry. it's not just sitting there doing nothing. and lie down, relax , close your eyes, remove all thoughts. that is , you just don’t think them verbally, at least don’t think, that is, don’t talk about yourself. you can images, let them go. well, well, first of all, the first question. is it possible to fall asleep from such a second question? how does this affect a person? we have already summed up the first result,

which means, firstly, it is very difficult to force yourself. even those who can lie down for 15 minutes relax close their eyes just lie down if you can’t fall asleep your the task of lying down for 15 minutes, by the way, is interesting from the point of view of biological control. as it is right, after 15 minutes people wake up on their own or open their eyes, that is, as if this rhythm is 15 minutes. yes, he is a person through him almost always wakes up. you can then fall asleep again, if you want, well, and secondly, yes, i already said. the first fact is that it is very difficult to force. why does this person indicate that these 15 minutes, here they are, well, that's how they are needed. and when he lies down, he wants to think about something, and thoughts. it seems to him that their own are so important that, well, how can you not think about it, and then yes, we want to see influential health. i have already said that there are only pensioners who either work at 1:00 a.m., or do not work, or people who work in such a relatively free mode, but i,

of course, basically prepared this technique for pensioners. yes, let's start with the disadvantages, i will say the disadvantage. first , some cut their nighttime sleep to sleep during the day. this is wrong. well, that is, if you usually slept at eight, but still desirable these eight to oversleep, and during the day for another 15 minutes , just those who reduced their night sleep greatly, they complained that they began to feel tired. well, this is like a minus, so i recommended everyone not to cut. night sleep, yes, then it is more difficult after a day. what's good? well, the experiment continues as long as we have a small number of people, as long as f- from what they said, no one got sick this winter or caught a cold. seriously. i decided that this can be considered as an improvement in immunity. well, of course, this is already for large samples, but let's go back, desiring to time management. ugh look. we talked about time

during the day there months. and let's talk about time management throughout life. here are young adults, the elderly, they perceive time differently or in the same way, but this is such a classic yes , the question about the perception of time, in principle, the classic answer is known to it, that in childhood, time stretches slowly for a child day. this is eternity in youth. it, well, usually flows, and with old age it accelerates to an old person. seems, i just opened my eyes in the evening and the days slip by without noticing. and besides the fact that you need to saturate the days, well, our advice, we still need to understand that it is the perception of time that changes. there are two answers to this question here. why? well, with age, time speeds up, one psychological another, i would say biopsychological uh, the classic version suggests that we perceive time differently, because we compare it with our

life, a child at 5 years old for him another year has passed. this is 20% of his life, and for a person, say, 100 years a year is only 1% of life. that is, it will be accelerated for him, but by 20 times the time, because you compare it with life expectancy. this is actually a good answer from the point of view of time management, yes, well, it only remains to somehow compare time not with life expectancy. but there is another study. 2 years were spent in japan. i think back we have neurons in the dark cortex, which is responsible for the perception of time. and with age , these neurons, as it were, get tired, slow down , stop being excited, and, accordingly , fewer human neurons begin to participate. in the perception of time.

as a result, time for him accelerates less than the neurons that perceive time, and then in old age, on the one hand , the phenomenon arises that time rushes, and on the other hand, it becomes difficult to have time to do something in a short period. if earlier, for example, i was going to work in 15 minutes. now it doesn’t work out for 15 not because you get tired faster not because the body is sick or something else just doesn’t work out for many , this surprises. why 15 minutes earlier was going to. and now, well, i can’t for 15, but the rest remains. well, this is considered and is due to the fact that the perception of time has changed. now these 15 minutes are for you, as they are. well, subjectively, yes, and you don’t have time to find it. although, in principle, could be in time, what to do with it. if you take the biopsychological concept, because maybe it is sadder, yes, then

it turns out that you need to teach neurons not to get tired. and this is the question, how not to grow old? or how to rejuvenate? he has no answer yet. well, another option in the elderly age is considered to increase such an indicator as awareness of life awareness mindfulness. well, such an indicator, you need to use this awareness for time management. that is , it turns out self-control. that is, you control yourself during these 15 minutes, in order to meet the deadline, and many people have some kind of aging plan. here i will be 60-70. god forbid 80. what am i going to do, how does she owl my life. i think that people do not have such a plan, and even retirees who have retired have no such plan, yes such are the studies. but if you take a younger age, you know, there were still old

studies. until what age do people imagine their life? that is, this is how they see how it seems to them for them and imagined it at the age of 18. well, like up to 25. interestingly, at 22 it’s also up to 25. that is, this is such an inflection point, but apparently, people go to study there, and at 25 they represented up to 30. i talked with some people and asked. yes and who did you introduce to them? many examples so assumed that i would live to be 30 years old, and then i would die. why continue to live after 35. the expansion has already begun there, already there 40 50 to 60. well , as it were, people already, well, this point is such an inflection point. yes, but it turns out that somewhere people represent before retirement, but there, but they didn’t represent anything there, there was no program , there was no plan for occupancy, so i have

an appeal to our viewers and listeners. imagine that you are 80, what will you do, how will you live in order to be happy and feel full of life. although you have such a plan, after all, for an indiscreet question. well , i'm probably like most people not really i think about what i will do specifically, after eighty. for some reason it seems to me oh listen, we have a project. i am doing it now, and here we have developed a methodology for estimating the expected retirement age. well, there are several questions first question. eh, let's say yes? at what age? uh, well, the representatives of your gender retire to call the second what time you plan to retire, the third question there. when would you ideally like to retire? what time would you like well here is the minimum option when you wanted how many maximum five questions is considered average you know what's interesting, people are divided into two , like some want to retire as soon as possible, that is, they

will have, well, a small, retirement expected retirement age asked ideal would like to retire, there 20 years to go out, while others want to delay those who want to go early. this is freedom for them. i 'll go out and do nothing. yes, and those who want to work longer, right? for them, it's, well, work until retirement age, health. well, and what is a pension such a resignation? well, sort of, yeah that is, i will live until if i retire at 80, then i will live to 80 and be in good health at 80. well, there are not so many of them, but here i am, uh, i just belong to the direct type who those going to retire are not going to also live, but after 8 months. but who knows, and let's move from e, old age to the childhood of the young. here, did

people really begin to grow up later or does it seem so, for example, the world health organization recently completely expanded the boundaries of adolescence before it was teenagers. you know, this is actually very interesting. if we take there the periodization of adolescence already in the year known to our psychologist. yes, he had, in my opinion, uh, adolescence ended at 14-15 years old. if we take psychologists, already at the end of the twentieth century, then there were older adolescences of 16-17, some authors of 18 wrote no. and if it's here, it means the world health organization. they were 21 years old, and now here are 23 24 completion of adolescence. so what is it well maturation is delayed and a certain adolescence is preserved. what about a teenager? why teenage yes they are teenage hair? how is a teenager different from a young man? well, in principle , not independence. he needs custody of

the teenager's help. in general, some infantilization is the search for oneself and, accordingly, some need for support, while he himself and consider himself a young man. this is already firstly, having left the parental family, distancing and living independently, he is still young, but, but now he is already independent. so what is that here the adolescence has expanded. this expanded the time of adolescence searching for oneself. well, not independent need to support such a social feature, firstly, people learn before this age. they are not independent. yes, secondly, this is the decision, as it were, of the world health organization, and you know, i think that this is correct. this corresponds to the biological development of man. we will assume that the person is, well, a teenager immature until then. while the formation of the body of the brain. well the supreme case of the bark

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from the point of view of extreme psychology, what is time they say, when a person is in some kind of terrible situation, time falls or flies there, in general, it is completely compressed to the point that you can remember all your life or this effect does not work or is it a myth, do you think that does it shrink? maybe we call it stretched? well, it stretches all the time , i get confused. exactly. did you notice that only you are confused, that is, this is our specificity of perception of time, whether it stretched out, or it neighed, that is, it turns out, or it accelerated, or visibility. there we confuse it ourselves, but i just spent people in extreme situations subjectively with subjectively, and they were talking about the fact that time is stretching as you like, yes or accelerating, but it seemed to them that the man was talking about he was in the building. it doesn't matter the explosion. and then a chandelier falls on him, and he looks. it falls off the ceiling. and so she flies towards him. and now she is approaching, he

felt no less he could not move his body, but it seemed to him that a huge amount of time had passed. he saw cracks on the ceiling there, he walked anything, he couldn’t get it, that some people still have it. yes, subjective time is stretched, it speeds up what you want to do, but more of it is done. the task is to be able to fit into it more not only perception, but also actions, something that can save you, some say that they succeeded. well, it reminds me a little of the plot from the matrix when the bullet flies and the characters dodge it, remember in the movie, but don't you think that many people choose some extreme risky behaviors. doesn't matter. i 'm here hotspot jumping off a cliff or something to increase their time, they increase after such an experience. firstly, all this is theirs and money - they

stretched out and remembered a vacation, if they did, here's a vacation, well, this is an extreme situation itself. she, maybe 5 minutes flew for them is an hour, well, when it's not 5 minutes, and 5 months, probably, in general , some kind of big life turns out when you take risks all the time, when you are threatened with something , you know, if you take people of extreme professions, there are those who are, well, a hobby, i can’t say i can, but the study of representatives of the special-risk profession was also carried out by other people after their work with them. in general, in relation to people leading non-extreme professions , their biological age is increased, that is, they grow older. yes, but what wears out after all neural metabolism biological age, uh, become obsolete organs of the body, where the indicators that are in

the biological age are included in the heart and breathing metabolism. well, in general, we don’t like it, because we would like, yes, to do it all the same. it was like something addictive. i've been doing some more research. well, it's so easy. in a sense, if desired , anyone can check it. i looked at the life expectancy of the astronauts and it is clear that they all had perfect health. i compared those who flew in space those who did not fly those who flew longer, lived longer, who experienced all the same training loads, well, for the cosmonaut detachment there is a risk, but they did not accomplish their feat. it's not about physiology. more like something about meaning. here, apparently, when people accomplish a feat, which is a personal achievement for them, which is supported by society. well, this is the gratitude of society. this is also important glory

and admiration. in general, this gives us something , look, here is a story about astronauts. she is very suggestive. maybe, after all, the question is somewhat of such an iron regularities of our body and our aging, and in some purpose of life. so i read studies where they analyzed the dates of death and the date of birth of a person, er, his children. and it turns out that fewer children die before the birthday of their own than immediately after. that is, how the body is mobilized to celebrate the third with the children there, and then let go, in general, how much meaning affects our well-known physiology. yes phrase. yes, if a person has a reason to live, he will live. and if not, why live, then he dies. it's probably very complex research. this is exactly what to study. i don't know researchers who could. exactly this is subjected to

experimental verification, so that a person has a global meaning. why live prolongs his life about astronauts. here we did good research, yes, but what happened here is viktor frankl's complex research, which he did in a concentration camp, what did those who understand? why scientific research, but the subjective observation of man. well, naturally. we are an experiment. he slager can not bring two recalled. who doesn't know his wonderful psychologist. he ended up in a nazi concentration camp and constantly monitored himself and those around him, and actually freed himself. you created well , a special area of ​​psychology associated with meaning, and he owns a wonderful quote, taken from experience in a concentration camp. who knows? than anyone, like those who understood why they live even in the hellish conditions of a concentration camp, survived more often than those who

were deprived of this meaning, probably, it was so, if we objectively studied, most likely, we would confirm this. god forbid of course, i understand, but we don't live in a concentration camp. and imagine a person eating alone. why should he live there for some kind of global goal, and the other person just lives. that is, he, as it were, does not have a global meaning, but he is not at the end of the camp. he just lives, who lives longer, that is, will there be such a sense of the need to live. here's another 10 years. to prolong the life of a person in relation to the one who does not exist, such a need is the question of what, uh, and this question. it's like i don't know the answer. yes, it would be very interesting to investigate this, but i don't even know how this factor works yet. objectify asking a person why do you have a reason to live? well, maybe through the profession, after all, agree that people who can support their work almost indefinitely. well, artists

, writers, scientists, after all, often live longer than those whose work is cut off sharply once and for all. well, doctors, for example, you all retired in the hospital. you people, do not treat your professional meanings are disabled. and your neighbor is an artist. he paints pictures paints people should be equalized if we want to compare not artists and doctors, but two doctors of one doctor, it makes sense. well, in another there is no meaning to one artist there is a meaning, artists also have different meanings, they have different ones. in the sense of a hard-to-measure value. of course, this is not physics. we had a study in russia, also an objective study of the life expectancy of different categories of people, which turned out to be academicians. indeed, the academy of sciences lives longer than cherenkov has ever heard of his brother. well, yes, and than let's say ordinary professors. that is, it turns out that, so to

speak, achievements. well here's an opportunity to work long meets a higher career level. makes it possible to live longer. let's tag a little. ugh anyway. we all want to live longer longer are not put longer to be young cheerful. as i understand it, science is now looking for ways. how to prolong the youth of a person to make him ageless , like a rodent from africa, the head of fellow countrymen who say they do not age and almost do not get sick, they still die, but more often some african dies, he nailed it with a shovel. how realistic it is for us to live there for a hundred and twenty years up to 130, that's what science is talking about now about the question of what life expectancy depends on, we also conducted studies on twins , twin pairs in russia and then compared

with other data. well calculate the percentage, which depends on the environment about which heredity. in general, somewhere in russia, 36% of life expectancy depends on heredity. she is everything else from the environment. and in america it was like a study. there they received 25% of heredity. the rest of the environment. on the one side. it seems to be so cool, but on the other hand. if you analyze it this way, it does not mean that, let's say, you have passed up to 50 years. yes, it's only 36% i can live. up to fifty. it rather means that there is some kind of, apparently, supposedly life limit that is being programmed. biologically and now it is believed that this is a fairly large limit of 100 120 years .

well let it be 100 years. uh, sound memory. well good health. here, too, now we will talk about psychology, because it is clear that medicine is working on this biology. well, who just does not work. looking for ways. and we seem to be saying that we can offer psychologists for here the opportunity to somehow share your life to increase its productive period of life , so well, here is my colleague from st. petersburg university. they devised a strategy. well, the extension of the productive period of life prosperous aging. there are 22 factors. some of them are good sleep, other food control, healthy lifestyle and so on. well, they suggested that our human life consists of three big ones. the spheres of work in themselves are free time , we have already said yes work, successful work shows life is a good prosperous family, loving, in principle, also for life, but it depends on us. we settled on the fact

that what we can advise psychologists. this is free time management. but because i can say you need a successful job without me. if they want, i can say, i recommend you a prosperous, kind, loving, materially prosperous family. so this is understandable without me. but how to organize free time? here is the question. in fact, we have developed a program that allows you to choose the right resources, that is, what to do in your free time. what hobby is recommended for a particular person? what kind of sports hobby for someone is needlework for someone to solve for someone an intellectual activity, that is , something like this, that is, to choose the right one. spending time in free time and thus subjectively increase your time. thanks a lot. still, i will briefly summarize, how to make more time, how to increase it is to do what you love, no matter how trite it sounds to think about what you have, besides work and home. what

are the hobbies? what are the activities to choose the right hobby plan for the long term. and, of course, saturates your life with meaning. thank you very much tatyana thank you very much, our viewers and listeners are with you the schlötdinger code podcast, and i am its host grigory tarasevich and many thanks to tatyana berezina, who was our guest today, professor of the moscow state pedagogical university psychologist , department of extreme psychology. thank you tatyana thank you. today we gathered our thoughts on the topic of fasting. hello dear friends natalya gennadievna loseva let's start with

leo tolstoy leo tolstoy writes in his diary. i'm not verbatim, i'm quoting. yes , experts will forgive me, we need to deal with fasting with orthodoxy. nothing burned out honest i didn't feel anything, it's all nonsense. what is wrong? or maybe not a bug. well, of course, i can’t answer the great classic, what did he say, and how did he burn? well, there must have been some kind of this moment, it’s either he didn’t have it somewhere with me, and such a school left, i don’t remember where. yes , you see, you can simply observe because i was told that it was right. it is possible to observe fasting, because this is my sacrifice to god, a certain part, relatively speaking, the great four tens, a tenth of my life. she is specifically dedicated to god. and you can just carry out consciously

meaningfully. uh, understanding how it works , depending on what modality of the post we will be in, you can generally simply observe, because to lose weight. yes it is, maybe you want to talk about it. we will definitely come to this. i know i have my own version. naturally. ah. lev nikolayevich set up a scientific experiment. if otherwise, i would always be here when i first read it, i mentally entered into a dialogue with the great. i say count. and why did you decide that you had to feel something specific? what do you think, he is generally a maximalist, a person who learned there, er, a bunch of languages ​​and began to learn japanese . in his ninth decade of his life. yes. this is the same person who set himself. obviously unreachable goals and was disappointed. yes, and broke off this does not match. well, i don’t know, i know a huge number, uh, and uh, people and

stories, when such a zealous non-athenian, at the beginning of the post, led to rather severe disappointment and many years of resentment on himself and of course, leo nikolayevich tolstoy, as it seems to me also would not like of course, u qualify for u psychoanalyst. i have long agreed, but it seems to me that it was insulting to myself, of course, it was an insult. some unfulfilled expectations. and it seems to me to myself, well, that there is a person somewhere, uh obviously, it seems to me, he was waiting for some kind of uh, there uh, the insight of some kind of transfiguration , some kind of metamorphosis. yes, that's all, now the holiday has come, the doors have come, i open the gift. no, how? yes, for some reason i was reminded of one story, one of my friends told me that his friend decided. so here's a circus post

for the first time in my life. everything is according to the church charter. prepared for the first confession in my entire life everything is grown-up everything is truly great thursday, he confessed, took communion for the first time in his life, came home, opened the freezer. he took out a frozen steak, ate it and said more. i will never do that. in the sense there is a joint not to fast at all, nothing to go to the temple. i think, well, i mean, it's not raw. i hope, at least how many are not. listen, you 're laughing, but it's just a classic. listen like this right now. i think, cynically, uh, we walked through thousands of people who had their first experience of fasting or strict fasting, of course, it was just like this, when i’ll go through about completely unbearable physical emotional

limitation that is disproportionate to your readiness. and so, when you just fly from tartarus, sometimes in the literal sense. yes, when they faint in the temple like this, you immediately understand this, here he is, a pale student lies, who you know, even a real case happens when one of our parishioners 15 years ago, a very, very responsible excellent student came with printed excel spreadsheet. with a list of c 200 sins there and small checkmarks, then there are none of their own. these are all her sins, but with ticks. she noted. how much she was there for a week between confessions, so to speak, she sinned. yes, there were ten angry. here. she was annoyed here and there , she didn’t think something there. this is a very common path of neophyteism, and this, of course, is actually a big problem, because, uh,

you especially know such an intellectual elite of the church, which you both relate to the lord. yes, here is a mirror, look. here you know such snobbery, so i can do it better. don't eat for people there. you are the area. since there is another host here, you have your own podcast. yes, i fused these. you said, uh hmm right there, and eat right, yes, graze. and what does it mean to say goodbye correctly means to find the right internal tension that corresponds to your specific needs, which will be working, which will be productive. that is, we remove everything, this is superfluous. in what we usually creep a little. and then we conditionally look at a certain indicator. here is the arrow voltage on in which zone is green yellow or red that i already have everything shaking. and this will be expressed in the fact that we finally find the time , the spiritual strength and the ability to do what

we did not have before. this was not enough. and what, we perform first of all about love for god, love for our neighbor, but here i’ll interrupt you for a second, here’s what natasha began to say, there are already such two extreme approaches, yes two extremes, one main idea, do not eat. this snobbery is pseudo-intellectual. what is there, smearing the intellectual of the first week will put butter on the sausage. the main thing people, they are and immediately bit off is the opposite point of view on the charter first money. everything is a dry idea there, then it ends in a hungry way at best, or, as yes, with gastritis. uh, or as my friend said. so i fasted so i fasted and did not eat anything. he condemned everyone. well, that is such a scooter. yes, but how do you respond to what the father said, this is how to somehow collect yourself. it seems to me that the very experience here is passing. it's me i really like it when you write about worship. uh lenten is not what you

know, i'm jealous. this is not such a feeling, but i am glad that people experience it, that a person experiences it and can say about it. for me. it is very difficult. both the first and the second. i have had different paths, but i have been in the church for many years now. eh, it's over 20 years old, and it 's nothing special, because it's these upswings downswings downswings, but uh, you're talking about something after all. i found harmony in uh, probably, in beauty you are aesthetics, but not in constant outward appearance you understand, that is, not something not byzantine, yes, but in the beauty of this depth. now you mean worship, you mean worship. i mean internal state. i'm really looking forward, great after always, although for me as a person, uh, gourmet or still afraid it's always, of course, to cook. yes? yes, for me, the restriction, of course, uh, the restriction in food, i, well, i still try, thank god, i can still

keep the fast e, well, yes, strictly enough not in the monastic charter, but nevertheless, that's how it is for me post is this internal focus. this is the internal collection. this is such a mobilization. when you know, you're just here in the ocean in the sense that you , uh, finally you have a reason which is often not enough in the essence to discard a lot of things and concentrate. and in this sense, of course, the parish does not help, because there are parish traditions there for additional readings. here we are now reading not the first post. we read the old testament. and it's always some kind of you know this. well, or there we read some kind of gospel, you know , such an additional one, and the skeleton is a lattice crystalline, which collects you all this leaves. and you finally sink in it's only lent, you have such feelings, yes, because there are other multi-day there less astrology, but short building site too mouth.

yes, yes in order to, yes, by the way, it is physically harder for me to endure the two-week fast of the assumption than the huge five-day one. but it's amazing that i'm sorry, please stop at 10 for a minute. it has never been difficult for me to graze physically, i say with caution, because how would, as soon as you say something affirmative, it immediately begins. yes, well, here it is, to collect yourself what you said, but at the same time, very people who will look at us. yes, they are still waiting for answers to some very specific questions. yes, and these treatments. well, it doesn't matter how important it is, how unimportant it is, it's important, the food component of the supply chain, of course, is important. and at the same time, we know, that's even said to the monastic charter, but there is no other. yes, there are monastic charters, that is, there is a charter for fasting, which everyone publishes. e, already different and church secular.