[000:00:00;00] after all, the dormition fast, it is too short . excuse me, please stop for a minute at 10. i have never had a hard time physically fasting. let's speak with caution, because as soon as you approve something, you say it immediately begins. yes, but here it is to collect yourself what you said, but at the same time, very people who will look at us. yes, they are still waiting. answers to some very specific questions. yes, and these treatments. well, it doesn't matter there, how important, well, how does it not matter? it is important that the food is nutritional, the constituent, of course, is important. and yet we know. she even said not to the monastic charter, but there is no other. yes, there are monastic charters, that is, there is a bridge charter that everyone publishes. e, already different and

church secular. different media, uh, no one , will not go, i will answer they are they before i slept, say, the priest needs a normal priest, you understand, and the one that you have so you understand, oh, which is normal a very important marker of the priest's normality. yes, the fact that the priest sees before him a living person with the universal, and not just a function that comes to the temple puts a candle, says the right things at confession, then takes communion and disappears and he knows nothing about it. do not go away, like a person to fast fast round there is the highest virtue of prudence. yes , the ability to distinguish the real from the apparent. here , the result of fasting is recognized by the fruits, if a person finds himself in such a story as we have just told, this means radical was wrongly chosen. ah, the modus

of this post. it’s normal when there is tension, but it doesn’t seem to destroy a person, i had a completely funny story, when i was still a student at the academy, there was, uh, such a young man, very pious, very strong. so he decided during the great lent right now to really get pastured in the academic pavlovian way. what does it mean? this means that i got up at five in the morning in bratsk and was mobile after the bratsk prayer service for the service, this is the first week. it starts there hours early seventh and ends somewhere around half past two, so it comes from this service. well, i went to the academic, like any normal healthy thinking student who knows his limits. oh, why do lazy people get tired there too? well, that's how it is, there are such people, he comes and sees how he staggers. sasha , so he hardly holds the focus and gives out a completely brilliant phrase. when 12 o'clock i realized that this service would never

end. i started to pray. this is genius. today we gathered our thoughts on the theme of the great fasting and what it is eaten with natalya loseva archpriest pavel giants. i am vladimir legoyda. we continue our conversation. it seems to me that the post should not be absolutely light, of course, there should be efforts, efforts and, you know, i have one friend who is a friend, he is an orthodox church man, a big businessman and he conducts experiments, uh, outstanding in every vegetable protein, and he makes such cutlets from vegetable protein, relatively to any cereals. uh, american meat. yes, they are delicious, but not well, just not pamir. just impossible post, it's not easy. i think fasting should be uncomfortable. yes, that should make sense. it's just about allowing god to be a little. here's to freeing up a little space so that there is where

to come. yes, it makes sense. if we are talking about tithing, something just this saturday, that saturday will be abolished once again. you know how and it turns out that there is a god, but it is completely resolved, please, yes, stop flying. stop fussing stop twitching to deal with your worldly issues these places god come out here look. after all, if we look at some of the technical components of the post, we will see that they, in a completely surprising way, are combined with secular tendencies, which i am talking about, like this, because now it is very, very, fashionable to introduce various kinds of austerities, for example, conscious consumption of proper nutrition. emotional intellect. healthy lifestyle, including, so to speak, emotionally, morally and

morality, and it turns out that we tell a person that look, you can do everything the same thing that is trendy and fashionable now and what do they teach you on different coaches? forgive me, lord, session god, so only starve, well, not christ yes, that is, all the same huge spreading of my vedic, but maybe a person through this practice i thought interestingly. i through practice here limits the awareness of emotional intelligence, mercy humanism about helping the weak. i think let's take a step back now one minute. here's what he said. i think there are a lot of twists and turns here. these are the ones i would like to start, really with on the one hand, life includes such, as it were, ascetic or ascetic exercises, yes, quite skeptically, but on the other hand, there is an idea that, well, maybe a little earlier, it was more vivid, that christianity is constantly socks, that is,

constantly humility of the flesh. there you don’t eat up , you don’t get enough sleep, and so on. but after all, what is important about what i would like to say very much christianity, against the background, at least of those religions that existed when it arose, did not differ at all in an extreme sketch of reality in general christian. it came into the world with the statement that you need to turn on your head and avoid extremes. and this is the first part, more precisely, the second, but the first. and here is what we are now approaching, that all this is done for the sake of christ, the famous christian author, let's say this, but here, yes, and he chrysostom says that if you do not marry because of contempt for marriage, and not love for christ, then , it's worse than wantonness, of course, what does that mean? here for christ it means that how to understand it, but you understand. and what does it mean for the sake of christ it means that it allows us to attune

to a certain, let's say, tone , a certain resonance with how christ lived and taught why the main problem of ourselves in relation to god is ourselves, it is not the people around us. this is that we have a powerful magnet on which it constantly sticks. what is passion passion is it? healthy striving of the strength of the soul, which is stuck on the person himself and the primary here becomes, just this one, uh, the decoy is the lure of pleasure. and fasting in this sense helps a person to feel that he can tear himself away from this magnet. and when he breaks off from him, well, relatively speaking, a certain excess of energy, an excess of force, which he either directs at himself within the framework of some coach technologies, coach practitioner and there, thereby he will increase his own importance, his controllability and everything else, or he it will turn to god so that

forgive was a high-speed channel of communication with god and interaction with god so that he began to recognize. what is the will of god and this will of god, when a person begins to see it in no way to the person himself, but what reveals you. well, inside, when you start to feel that god is actually less than just a drive this world. he wants something from me and that he wants from me since he always brought me , he knows much better what i can do. but this is already the very depth, but look one more step back. now to the question that natasha created, as i understand it, yes, and if this is not here for the sake of christ, but everything else is, yes, uh, including some kind of help there, something weaker. this is love for them and love. she i think it will be better anyway than if it didn’t exist, in general, here a person lives , came home from work, took bottles of bottles. pifa, pivasika, turned on some kind of series or some kind of movie. and so he thinks, he feels quite well for himself and that's it,

it's interesting to talk further. i want to ask you how lobachevsky's eucalyptus can the straight line e, a person who fasts in the church by christ and for the sake of christ, and the second line, when a person does the same thing. the same austerity, the same love, also mercy, but without christ they can translate. i think they can, of course even. but this means that there is also a person. you may not be aware of it. well look good. and why at all is this all the pumping of certain qualities? he already has some kind of goal-setting for the sake of what the best version of you is better for. here, imagine that every next best version of you does not lead to the fact that the need for god, it decreases, on the contrary , it increases. you understand that, relatively

speaking, you create beauty around you framing about the content, it stays the same as it was disagree, wait disagree. yes, with whom with engels or scouts with wallpaper, i disagree, it can’t cross, you know, it seems to me, why because there is a principle, a fundamental difference in these two situations in situations where a person does not think about god and then he is all beautiful white fluffy at the heart of everything says, i can here any training. i can. yes you are. you deserve it. you must love yourself. you must there i can and you then god begins with words. i can't and how is it, can it be, can get away with this file said, i'm only on one occasion, if he thinks he can, yes, it says, well, does some good

deeds. and god ultimately shows him that in general, it's not you, he must understand at some point that you are not him. uh-huh did it work out for you or something else? it didn’t happen to me that if you try to achieve a better version of yourself and some ideal version of yourself without christ, then you eventually begin to realize yourself as the best version in the world. that is, god and further so pride fall is all that we know further ourselves maybe this is my own constructed by my ego, the universe in which it’s not that it’s not that there will be no place for god. he's excluded. by definition, he excluded, yes, and here we settle down. well, you don’t want to be saved, you don’t want to do it, the church says, so in this obedience, like cutting off your will, and we give to the one we trust, whom we love in this sense, you are both a victim and at the same time time is the most powerful tool pumping. here is space for another. here is my world. he is still there. you have

your own world. you have your own business, it exists, and here's the next question. to what extent do we allow something or someone else to enter it, but how to find it? here is one of the questions, so to speak, one of the methods was voiced, but to find a priest there who will help you. well, look , it turns out here that we accept the thesis of father paul that fasting is a kind of state of discomfort, while we remember what father pavel began, that with this state of discomfort, if it is not moderate, you can bring yourself to the point where you either faint there , or start eating frozen steaks and talking. i never mean it again, it's a matter of measure. and how is it? that's how people look, i listen to you. i listen, you are all fools, yes, how to define it? now, can a priest help? ah, if there is no glow, or he. hmm, too, can be mistaken, how i must feel. here is the serial. that's what i like about the series. uh, i decide by fasting, i won't

watch the series, therefore, well, the first week i won’t be accurate, then monday evening, more precisely in the morning. well, i didn’t watch yesterday today, because this discomfort does not give the result of how discomfort is not born discomfort itself. well, as discomfort for the sake of a pause in life, a pause should appear, life should appear, some metaphors, some islands of emptiness. you know, well, it's easier. e man, instead of spending an hour on cooking food, he spent, considering lean food, considering the simplification significant simplification, in general, of the whole relationship to the process of nutrition. he spent half an hour, he got half an hour free, damn, i feel for half an hour, you can go out into the street and just not think about anything and do nothing. this is a great opportunity to just turn to god and just be alone with yourself to look inside everything. this already means your post works.

if your cooking time increases by 1.5 times due to fasting hmm if your budget increases by 1.5 times three times, because shrimp, because after it is spectacular, yes, and so on, it means that you are wrong despite the fact that you can be very bad because you haven’t eaten your favorite meat for three whole weeks, anything else. today we gathered our thoughts on the topic of great lent and what it is eaten with natalya loseva archpriest pavel giants. i am vladimir leogoid. we continue our conversation. well, you already said. and this, i think, will be the most interesting part of our conversation. why you can not lose weight on lean food? in theory, let's say very much, we just remove animal protein, that is, it cannot even be compensated with permitted ones. ah, so our food becomes carbohydrate and hello and hello yes, that is, we just

upset the whole balance, so the only opportunity will not be heard in the expanse. this is what it means not to wrap fried potatoes, uh, with mushrooms and onions, and a plate of pasta with other things, that is, these are the very excesses, that is, you should. uh on the table limit not only uh, in the form in terms of variety. well its calories and quantity. if you don't want to, then three sizes more to fit into an easter dress. here, what is it to buy a new one, that a new red dress, yes, big uh, so this is such a typical delusion, - he says, but how can he fast there? here he gets better, well, he got better, because it’s really such a different thing then that now, uh, all uh studies show that periods of abstinence from animal protein are very, very useful in terms of rejuvenating the body. so, there is still

a benefit, physical, well, this is 100%, and i think that it’s not so simple that the tradition of fasting was formed by the most modern detologists who say, well, lord, you should eat meat , so to speak, no more, uh, the third day of the year, and then we take a calculator, count wednesdays, fridays, fasts, we understand that yes. this is ours, less orthodox. than the third. even less than more than 200, if we observe wednesday friday, then there were 200 fast days in the year, in my opinion, yes it turns out. well, that is, it turns out that, well, yes , it turns out that 2 types of the year are not no meat and that's fine is another matter. what do you understand? here we experience e long-suffering, but with broken knees in the trash. in the sense it shows that for a more or less productive passage of the post e, you still pass the post well, you are never satisfied at the end. you still always feel at the end of the post. yes,

those days have flown by. you haven't achieved anything. you're just here, yes. just uh, start on the cons on the third floor. it seems to you, here, but nevertheless. i realized for myself that this post is only possible if it works, right and left side in the sense that you are in the idea you are limited and you, in the spiritual e plan , are reconstructed in this sense, the church tradition. those same great canon a and the rather physically tiring days of the first week of great lent anti are very well mobilized. and this helps both the restriction in food and the spiritual, this is the physical mobilization, including with bows to the earth. yes, when you are even trained. the person starts to get so sick. eh, that's very cool. helps to balance everything. one of my friends opposite brought ingenious

he says a phrase, well , grandmothers come to me, then, barely, many people drag and say, but what about the father without oil. here we have to barely use this. and i tell you what the two wings of fasting are: fasting and prayer. now, if you go to the lavra every day for services both in the morning and in the evening, then you cannot eat with butter. and if you do not have such an opportunity to walk, because excuse me, you already have to eat with butter, and this has some kind of wisdom of its own, but it is intricate all the same. it seems to me that there is a lack of some kind of popularization or the enlightenment of norm a and measures of fasting, because here is the fact that we have only monastic rules, which one way or another everyone is guided by and there are no any. that is what is missing. well, at least an explanation, or some well-trained listener, it’s normal for everyone to come about a priest. who knows this measure. according to the time to resolve there the first

fourth last week of passionate fasting, to whom throughout, where to give some kind of indulgence? it's perfectly in the hands, priest. nobody appreciated this feeling should know about him there. yes , you do go to work. it seems to me that we somehow dumped some gastronomy. and why is all this supposed to be? after all, the point is to put preparation for repentance. repentance is a meeting between a person and god and the understanding that there is some kind of hmm, in general, the difference between what the lord god wants from you and what you represent in fact, and that's what all the stress is for. it will work, for the sake of it and physically restraint, for the sake of it and more more often visit, services. a home prayer is a person who has never read morning evening prayers before home. it says that she should start at least 100. and here it is very interesting at the end of the post, she exhale is saved. he says, listen, yes, it’s normal

to get involved. it is quite possible to do listen, well , there is more. we are not only in gastronomy, but are slipping. there is also the delicate topic of conjugal fasting. yes and so i remember in the nineties, when this topic had just appeared. i mean religious in general, yes, that was sustainable the understanding is that fasting implies not only abstinence from food, but also from the communication of the husband of the wife. and today, more and more often, we are talking about the fact that the priests are talking about the fact that in general this area in which the priest should not enter, that this should also be some kind of reasonable understanding of the measure, uh, understanding and hmm well, i i don’t know, there is sympathy for a person. probably, this is also wrong. we will not enter into communication for this. and sympathy, but here is the hotel, as they would say now. well, i would say so, if in a family where there are believers, the believing wife is for them is important. fasting is exactly like a period

of abstinence and such an extreme distance from everything that is not vital, if they abstain, they are well done, how can this not be praised, if this does not happen, this is their question. they determine the information of their relationship for themselves. and if this happens at all in a family where, relatively speaking, there is a wife, a believing husband, who does not believe anything at all , there can be no questions at all, this is their question. she can't tell him stupid things. you know, it's not too late for me, i'm walking, walking. vasya go for a walk. vasya, let's go for a walk. yes, because it's too late. yes, that's why it's here. eh, also higher. kind. children are prudence, because in the apostle we read this many times, that it is not the husband who does not control his body, nor the desire controls his business. their relationship lies in this, that they interact with each other within the framework of that love, which, well, is generally connected with each other , about the apostle paul yes, he says in the first epistle to the corinthians that, in principle, food is not to god and does not move away from

god you read this you think hell why, then i i fast, but at the same time we all know very well natalya will support me. how much our internal state depends on what we eat a person is what he eats and this, by the way, is one of the most ancient exact definitions of a person, and in every sense, but in the spiritual soul, and what you consume, of course what kind of music do you listen to some books. you read music, of course, it doesn't change much, then it's the kind of violin you play, but the violin is tuned out of tune. well somehow it's like this you know everything very well, it's all so lyrically depressing. now present, lord, my friend. well, here's the impression, because e impression is not a scientific category. we are here serious people from the academic environment called to listen. well, what do you see, what else is great lent? this is an approximation to great joy.

holiday, right? well, really, that's why he doesn't think about it. i already tried to say. now let's write about easter let's remind ourselves to each other. why is christianity a religion, the absolute joy of no one no one in there are not so many holidays in life as we have just opened the calendar to celebrate everything. again a holiday every day is a holiday. that's why, after all , the last, uh, week 100 units 100 each holy week, after all. well, no, such literature does not have such dramaturgy. there are no such performances of such cinematography that gives us an experience such as passion week. and also when you start to think that there is such a thing. well, now, i don't know, this will criticize such belief belief. eh opinion what eh? no, time is everything what happens always happens here and now it turned me right all the time when one monk told me, just thinking

that today is wednesday of holy week you are celebrating and experiencing, not what it was 2,000 years ago. and what happens here and now, and when the lord descends into hell and wins, he wins here and now, and when he brings eve adam out of there, he will be here now, respectively, when he resurrects life conquers death, good conquers evil. it's here and now we experience once a year. yes absolutely stunning here is this katar, with this, a holiday that nothing else can compare with. every time we come to liturgy. we are worried, because we, together with animals , days in the literal sense, they are not just that on saturdays and sundays, in general, so tired. it just relaxes, no , it changes, damn it, relax, because we went out again, we return, because

it will happen. well, for the sake of this, you can live a fast, yes, and for greater sharpness of this joy and for more here is the mode. you know what it reminded you, maybe it didn't. i just really want to tell you this story and try to fit it into the fabric of our conversation. uh, uh, gasparov, our wonderful philologist, has a story in his notes about how the daughter of the iranian ambassador , who studied at moscow state university in forty-seventh year in the tretyakov gallery, stands in front of the painting the appearance of christ to the people looks so carefully penetratingly and everyone thinks, well, now she says here we always have such weather. it seems to me, now i am what i am for it seems that when we fast for us, this is only food. yes, when fasting is for us, this is the saddest thing. what did you say, here we are standing in front of christ talking. yes, we always have such weather. thanks friends.

today we gathered with thoughts about the post of natalya loseva goalkeepers pavel giants. i am vladimir of the left. yes, thank you very much, dear friends until easter thank you. only these eyes i will always believe only

purity, you will forget me at dawn, alas, when you forget me and at dawn on the way.

i will remember only this voice always it how the forest stream calmed down to caress, my heart, when sheltered by the rain, put the old one. but in the autumn it was left alone together, when, having strengthened itself from the rain, alone together.

i will always remember these words. how many words that became joking when you forgot me and at dawn, how you forgave the ships so sailing away. when you forgot me and

sailed away at dawn, as they sailed away. how does he smile?

pages to always remember alexander ivanov and the group rondo immortal hit we have a podcast lab 20 years

later, we usually remember the chai peak groups dawn fell precisely on the beginning of the 2000s, but today our guest is a group that just temporarily ceased to exist precisely in 2003 . this is the rondo group, our guest is uranus , the permanent leader alexander ivanov and the musical director of the group. listen, in 2003 the last album was released at that time, but the album was called you. or everyone just wanted to do their own thing. and that's okay. in fact, such a practice all over the world, but

it existed and exists. people sometimes get tired there to burn together to brush your teeth. mm in the bathroom. you know, when there are five brushes and everyone needs to climb in, you understand, everyone climbs. that's what you imagine, so at some point it's time to leave the pioneer camp and get your own apartments. well, apparently, a desire arose, and to leave this pioneer camp and create for everyone, as it were, in their own way, yes, in fact, normally like all creative people, there were no outright conflicts there, or simply no more , muzzle each other toilet, you can borrow or not. moreover, i must to say that i had already collected some material for the solo album of the game. mikhailovich continued with me his production and arranging activities. that is, two. we also, yes. but i didn't go to the concert. they just worked, and then they realized that we couldn’t live without each other, and again the pioneer camp returned and resumed. yes,

but the percentages already had a different ratio. yes? it's clear and which of these people supported you then in 2003, when you made this decision igor mikhailovich supported me, we stayed with me so the producer. and yes, the arrangement all. well, how would the artists support you, sancho of the artists. almost everyone supported me on the most important ones, he said, you are doing the right thing sasha. everything you do is what you said in this phone book. and then i do not think it's good there, after all? yes, valera syutkin was just a brother and friend. here aga remains the phone book. can we call him now? let's call fell, after all, i accidentally had a phone in my pocket. let's call valery let's put on speakerphone.

can you imagine, and here we have such a an interesting conversation on the subject of who supported me after the ronda e group went on a solo voyage of each individual member. they ask which of your friends, muscovites, musicians, especially supported and i came, uh, memories that i called you. solid channel one understand? first