uncontrolled evolution is so agglomerican and, uh, solaris - this is the sixty-first year, right . the most probably famous roman of the sixty-first year thanks to tarkovsky. yes, although they had their own contradictions, lem e denied that i denied the film, but the film and the book say differently in the film that he had a positive fight, as always there was a conflict. well, after all , this example shows very clearly that when hmm, this flight cosmos, so much desired by mankind for millennia, took place i was born in 1961 and so i feel like i 'm the same age as the space age. eh, then after all, there was some kind of looking back at literature . and this confirms our thesis that the cosmos is not only stars, but the cosmos is both what is in us and what is in art and now we will have a traditional middle. e of our podcast.

so each issue in the middle contains my little solo, and i either show an old book, or comment on a quote from a classic, or read a poem and when i thought what to read, the choice was very large, because i opened unknown at the broken garden or tyutchev e how much cosmic is there, a certain hour, it means its world-wide silence for an hour of miracles, the living chariot of the universe is openly rolling the sanctuary of heaven, but i decided to read hmm a wonderful little poem by nikolai alekseevich zabolotsky and a brilliant russian poet mmm , in which the cosmos is dan precisely as a projection of the universe on ourselves to our inner world, when the daylight fades in the distance and in the black haze, leaning towards khatam

the whole sky will play over me like a colossal a moving atom that has been tormenting me for a year with a dream that somewhere in another corner of the universe there is the same garden and the same darkness and the same stars in imperishable beauty and maybe some poet stands in the garden and thinks with anguish why he needs me at the end of my years , i worry about my misty dream. and this, by the way, brings us back to the discussion of tarkovsky emma remember everything in space

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cerebral circulation, brain work , memory recovery and dizziness reduction. now i won't forget. well, we are back in our studio literary podcast. let them not talk, let them read, we are talking about how they read in space and how they read about spacecraft, how do astronauts spend their leisure time on the iss? as there day and night e succeed each other day and night i replace you very much. we just get 16 turns. per day around the planet, respectively, 16 flourishing 16 sunsets. we use greenwich mean time to eat just, well, these chimes. no, of course, there are large wristwatches of the time. no, warm up some more yeah, if the soyuz ship then flies moscow time to the station station back only in moscow but he stayed, we immediately switch to buckwheat. so

convenient. for all soups. as for books , i can say that they are now. well, very little, because we ourselves are well aware that space is small. yes, delivery is very dear as it is allowed. i took my only kilogram of personal belongings, so thanks to here all of our technologies, if already on an e-book, we have a very large company, a very huge amount of recorded music, so there are a lot of e-books. yes, there are books, right? here, well, i don’t know, let’s say i like a person, because i can support bravo in my hands, as i understand you, completely different tactile sensations. this is not an e-book. i can't convey how this pleasure is to support something in your hands. and what books? well, for example, have you read anything or not? it's hard to give an example, because every cosmonaut takes a sentry or asks, as it were, for psycho support. uh, to lay down a set of some kind of film library , some new tracks, some music books. that is, there is a huge amount of this information, then they remain. well

, i want to pick up such and such books, if a kilogram of weight, then, of course, this is hardly hard. yes, i understand the station. well, she doesn't want anything good either. in the sense of choking literature, because local storage. we have very few compartments, they are, in principle, overloaded with some kind of equipment and even a small book. she's already taking a seat. understandable, understandable. but that is, i conclude from this that we also live at the station. yes , because there is less and less room for us. yes, and i have 30,000 books. it’s not for nothing that i repeat this, but it’s not without reason that i host a podcast. let them say they will count more than 30,000 books, and there is nowhere to live. in fact. i have them at two cottages. that is, we live, as if at a space saving station. and what about leisure time on weekdays is not very much. well, maybe about one and a half there two hours and a half to two hours, and sleep how much we sleep 10.5 hours. oh eight and a half hours, that is, well, no library, actually, only electronic, yes, basically, yes? yeah. well, it's still good. and films

are watched together or each separately. mostly, probably, together, after all, because this requires more time. uh-huh, i wanted to say that on a weekday we are engaged, in principle, and not preparing for the next one. i really need to find some equipment to study radiograms, so we get a clear view of leisure only for the weekend, and then only after cleaning our segment. half day. we are removing our segment. partners do the same, and then on saturday evening, let's say, we can get together to watch some movie or a good soviet one. or let's say some kind of imported movie. and what is very good is that he is often brought into the film. when not released yet . that is, we watch these films first at the station. well, how curious, that is the first audience. yes, the first for two documents. uh-huh they divulge always invite us on viewing. how wonderful is that? yes, it is a very good tradition. it somehow brings the crew together . let it be small, but the joint dinner brings them together. well, that 's great. now again about the museum vyacheslav lvovich and please tell me, uh, the museum

publishes some books. and what exactly? here i have some samples here, yes , the museum publishes books. well how are we doing? this is a project. that is, together with publishers. now take the book. she is very important to us. this is the second edition. event horizon. ah, the tender letters of the severe man. this, of course, about sergei, this is about sergei pavlovich , because the amazing branch is very beloved by us, very beloved by the astronauts. it's true. this is the house of sergei pavlovich korolev and in this place. that's all there, just like sergei pavlovich just left. he left me for a seemingly insignificant operation and more. yes, he never returned with them in the bathroom. and you know here collected with permission with permission. nina ivan gave. this permission is in writing before the transition from life, when some time passes, they will be published, and now, against the backdrop of events, fifty the sixth fifty-seventh fifty-ninth year, he writes letters to his wife, and the wife answers

because of this little house on ostankinskaya street. it's very interesting what turned out of this, well, 47-65 is completely 17 years of life. yes, you know in the house in which they tell. he lived only 6 years and i was struck by the number of suitcases in this house, because for the most part it is the vnukovo machine house and, accordingly, a business trip to the cosmodrome, or to the enterprise he led. also, i just can't religion is not to say here, remember that there is an amazing tradition now about gagarin , he will say an amazing tradition associated with the house of sergei palovich, do you know this once? sergey pavlovich was walking, for some seconds he was walking and found a horseshoe in his house. there, in the yard. yes, and nailed it to a tree. this is right on the tip. yeah nailed it to a tree and now there is a tradition for so many years when all the crew. uh, russian crews , together, by the way, our strange fellow partners, come to the house before the flight. yes

and for good luck they sit on that bench under the horseshoe. sergei pavlovich was yes, there is always on the belt. i didn't know this very interesting. if you want to leave a kind, this is also the temperature in the literary tradition, you understand the museum? he, too, must create some important things, create some new traditions. here it is such a new new meaning of some kind of museum event that is repeated, which is created around museums consciously for astronauts for the community for those who love astronauts, in general , this is just some very important bond. here you are picked up now the book this book is called the amazing story of the first flight. here we are trying to figure it out. who is yuri gagarin is insanely interesting, i remember the words that gagarin himself will say in his book. what a road to space. he will say, i am a simple soviet man. these are all said. here is a little boy from a small village.

yes, under the city. that's how this way way? yes , just not divine, but the first man in space, after the book, show, therefore, they read in the museum in the museum. the museum loves to buy books, that is, especially after the exposition looks, and in conclusion, that the museum is read like nowhere else. here is the museum look at the subject and read the floor, here is the reading and contemplation. and this is the achievement of kindred literature. yes, because really reading the legend is reading the explanation. this is also when communicating to, uh, the space of astronautics. you said an important thing , the personalities of these people are really very important for us, and how then these people who were in space accomplished their feats and those who started out as yuri gagarin and, uh, colleagues who continue to look colleagues. yes , how do they give it all away. true , a huge number of meetings even after

the flight, too, all this seems to continue. yes, oleg, of course, never has an end. there are no exes. no, no, i understand, but uh or she is yuryevna gagarina, the director of the kremlin, where the kremlin has a very long field of famous things. we go to her. this, of course, is also a storehouse of our information, it is important that all this continues. well, uh, our conversation has already turned to how, in fact, a tradition is born, which will enter the anal, uh, or have already entered the annals of the annals of the cosmic conquest of the universe , but what is happening in modern literature, i turn my question to vasily. after all, anyway. well, of course, yes, fantasy, which was once composed in a nudity. as a child, i had a 25-volume contemporary fiction library and a few more volumes of appendices. gray little red gray little red, i

still remember the first one remember whose efremova the second koba the third in a row not that i remember in a row you still managed to get these books. yes, i am much got them later. eh, compared to how i read it, i, of course, was a junior schoolchild, and i got it, as it were correctly said , i got the soviet word already for students. and it was a second-hand purchase. we know all these names robert sheckley ray bradbury and kurt won vladimir savchenko if he re-read just alexander belyaev if a little earlier we take patriotic fiction, well, these stanislav helmet, mentioned and so on and so on. well, it's a classic and virtually none of the ones we've just listed unfortunately no longer alive. and what is happening now? here is the premium new horizons. i

recently read an interview with a publisher. very famous, uh, which the publisher says, more precisely, and she, uh, talks about the fact that fantasy among the younger generation of writers is again very popular. and what does that mean? is this some kind of skipism? this is the continuation of a dream. these are some developments in topics , here, what names of what is happening do you know, if we talk about space, i still tell you about space, then it’s a very painful painful painful question, painful subject. uh, space is less science fiction. yes, there is practically no space in science fiction, that is, if we are talking hmm about science fiction about science fiction, which is based on some modern scientific ideas about the world around us, then it is most often the authors who turn to information technology and space fiction. it is present unconditionally, but it is present. hmm, so

the background self is such a fork, which, by the way, stanislav lem spoke already in such mature years in recent years that humanity, instead of conquering universe, as it seemed at the end of the 19th century. yes, we are first out of the fluff, then further away to the stars. well, somehow it went to the internet in some parallel worlds. no , i think there is. uh, hmm the connection is definitely a connection with what's going on with our space industry, which is the lack of it. eh, some understanding. that's so practical. actually. why does a person have cosmos practically, as it were, that in the foreground i look like oleg hangs. uh, doubt looks at you too doubt. no, the questions are generally correct. are you oleg too? they said about work. now romantic work there. eh, take a book a kilo of everything, why do you just eat something else and return

some kind of payload from there. well, i did not expect from you vasily i thought you were swift. some further, and you say that you need to understand why, unfortunately, i talked a lot with our st. petersburg specialists, so to speak, and experts on manned cosmonautics with anton pervushin, whom i probably know, yes, the historian of our cloak, cosmonautics not good. uh, optimistic look into the future into the future of astronautics. i mean in such a global sense by the states. yes, some kind of technological breakthrough must occur, so that this everything will return. uh, so that, for example, well, the delivery of a payload into space from space has become at times or an order of magnitude there, which is much easier, the second korolev should be born in the same second korolev was born yes, mine in a row. he just doesn’t know, yes, some kind of thing should happen, really technologically very serious, what will happen uh, well, do you imagine science fiction writers certainly about

space is remembered, they do not forget about it, they do not forget it. uh, one way or another , use it in your works, but as a rule, the cosmos is just a background against which it can happen. well , anything can happen some kind of adventure there e collisions. yeah, uh, maybe life events. maybe the moon, for example. uh, there is such an ian mcdonald writer of american non-american uh, british irish origin. here he was with us in russia several years ago, just i participated in the importation, he has a cycle. moon action. it happens naturally on the moon. some minerals are mined on the moon and brought to earth. we understand that this is, well, not cost-effective at the current level of development, but nevertheless. here he allowed such a fantasy. the moon is practically the same for him. here again we continue the romance and work. this is the designation of the practical sphere. or is it some kind of cultural symbol there, in addition to, well,

practically mining, there is also such a laboratory. uh, social, that is, like different scenarios for the future. where to in what direction humanity will move there, all this is happening is developing in real time. in our country, in principle, unfortunately, uh, our russian-speaking authors are much less likely to refer to cosmic symbolism and even to cosmos, as a purely entourage. uh, but uh, i can say that not so long ago a collection of new futures was released and, unfortunately, there is again the same story. there is not a lot of space there, in fact, the most interesting, probably, are space stories. this is, uh, the story of eduard verkin, which e, describes just under the influence of e. well, how to say after the ladies and alexander green strugatsky brothers ivan efremov, he describes just the same technology that we said the technology of e-e transportation, well, well, ultrasports, yes,

and the transfer from our space. in another to another to another section of the solar system or not only solar not necessarily the solar system to another galaxy of some matter, for example, a book, for example, books, yes, please, when this happens, as eduard verkin teaches us, yes uh, everything will change and the cosmos will return to us again in all its radiant glory, how great it is, that is, the cosmos is developing in all directions and in general , the word space in russian from the verb stretch, for example, yes expand, the german word, deir raum, is empty, like rum in -english. yes, there is no prostration space, i don’t know what the internal form of the english word is, but i really like it. i tell students all the time and teach them, because you need to look at what lives in the word. yes , the arrow lives in the word shoot. although only space athletes shoot from a bow. this

expansion in all directions. and here we are in our conversation. so by itself it happened. yes, we talked about technologies and real flights and losses and how it is fixed on earth , preserved and continues to live for people. and how literature goes, either following the cosmos, or somewhere a little ahead, so a and e a person who picks up a book learns something familiar from the reports of news agencies. so and vice versa. those who e like uh, our wonderful power oleg novitsky and off the ground fly into space something learn from books. in a word. thank you very much, dear friends. i think that we have succeeded in this threefold approach to space from different sides. let me remind you once again that russian pilot cosmonaut oleg novitsky was our guest, and the deputy

director for scientific work was our guest. we are all a cosmo such vyacheslav klementov and we had, uh, book reviewer vasily vladimirsky and so we did it today and i’m sure it will work out, and you have our dear witnesses and participants in the next issue of the literary podcast. let them not speak, let them count, and in my usual constancy i say my always final phrase. consider with pleasure, dear friends. hello schrödinger's cat podcast and i'm its presenter grigory tarasevich, editor-in-chief of a popular science magazine, which is also called schlötdinger's code. and today we

will talk about time. and we have a wonderful guest psychologist tatyana berezina, professor of the extreme psychology department of the moscow state psychological and pedagogical university. hello tatiana hello time is in all sciences. here is theology before physics. but since we will talk not only about the essence of time, but also about how to manage physics, we will not touch it. there are a lot of good things. and i recently came across a study about biological and psychological time, which was done by scientists from the university of liverpool. they studied how people perceive time during isolation about tatyana’s view of how covid changes time, like any isolation epidemic. deprivation, what does it do to our time? but what time is changing

during isolation, this is a fairly well-known fact, the only question is how it changes , there were studies when people volunteers were naturally placed in isolated rooms, where they did not have a change of day and night, there were no social contacts, nevertheless there was something to do. hobby some interests food, and they had to somehow manage their time. well, the first study, in general, was very strange , they showed that in people, uh, the rhythm becomes not 24 hours. a 48. that is, they are somewhere around 12 hours slept, and 36 were awake. although they seemed to lead normal lives, the second study had a more natural option. yes, it turned out that they somewhere had a rhythm of 25-26 days 25-26 hours. so, isolation, including social e , has a very strong effect on time, we adapt not only to the sun, but also to society, to

some kind of social rhythms to social life, and covid deprived us of such an opportunity, deprived us of the opportunity to adapt to such a familiar social rhythm morning, work transport. i i think that for some reason time e was stretched, that is, a day a day proved to be more. but you know what i'll tell you. this is generally quite natural for a person. pay attention people on vacation. they, as a rule, have a daily daily regimen that is also stretched. they sleep longer, stay up later and sleep longer. that is, essentially. if they start by getting up, for example, as before, let's say all the hours, then the end, let them not go anywhere, a vegetable lifestyle. they will sleep until 12:00 more that is. they sleep longer in get up, stay awake, too, stay up even longer, their experience of the pandemic, and for me

it is a little, probably different from the others. it seemed to me that time was somehow sluggish for you , some liquidish. every day is like another. so i got up, no events, no meetings, no upheavals. and can he manage his perception of time at all, make time richly concentrated increase it, in the end, the amount of time, that would be good. tell me how it is now. here. you, when you remember this, but it's been like this for two years turns out it went by very quickly. this is just characteristic of psychological time. eh, in fact, when our time is not eventful, it seems to us that it drags on slowly, that it is stretched out, that the day lasts a very long time, and then, when we remember it, but it seems that it slipped through not so here is such a phenomenon, when time is not saturated, then while it goes, it seems very long, and in memories, it

seems to slip, and as if it were not there, therefore, in principle, but in order to stretch time, we need to saturate it events. but then the opposite will happen to you. the day will be missed and , on the contrary, it will seem that the day is running very fast, that you just woke up. it's already evening , subjectively. you say the day has passed. i didn't notice the reminder, we'll be as busy as the big ones, probably, that's the only thing we can do when we want to stretch the time. we need to saturate it with events, and then in our memory, it will be saturated with another problem that i'm sure many face, this procrastination is a word already known to everyone, postponing did for later. where is she getting it from? why do we tend to put off something difficult? happened since childhood, what needs to be done, on the contrary, in fact, this can really be connected with the type of time.

imagine that you took soup with meatball soup , that you eat meatball soup first. some people eat the meatball first, it's tasty, and then the soup, other people eat the soup first, and then they eat the meatball. well, some people eat everything together. these are people oriented to the past to the past. they eat the meatball first. that eat, they try delicious first delicious people, future-oriented delicious meatballs leave for later eat first. well, the real one from those who eat a piece of this and that, in short, uh, tend to put off the unpleasant, for later those who eat the meatball first. tell me about our time. how much more common is procrastination than before, when there was a more structured day, harder work, before our time was controlled by someone else's superior family, after all. if so

take, uh, childhood. yes, mom wakes up in the morning, go to school at school, calls, then you come home, let's say even mom meets you here to take into account. well, or there you can take at least a serf working at a factory, that is, the organization of this time was controlled by someone external. and now, in general, if the state of society were good enough, people would be partially free from external coercion, but still they would be and now we can manage ourselves in due time. well, not everyone can do it. and how to win? sorry piss, how to manage time? well, like i said, it depends. the type of person, in fact, it is difficult to change your type, but firstly, and it is desirable to know him in order to know your peculiarity, and secondly, well, probably by training, like everything else by creating a clear daily routine, in general there are many different ways fight

procrastination. for example, i read here the most profound - is, of course, generally understand why you do not want to do it? why did something become a tasty meatball, and something tasteless soup. how do you live if you i love you so much tasteless soup for soup, and as a metaphor, maybe a person ’s life is successfully arranged to the end, that he chose such a metaphorical court for himself, where to swim a small tasty meatball and such a large pelvis of tasteless soup, which you need to eat through force it's better not to taste. but, perhaps, something needs to be changed, where he puts the delicious, whoever tastes delicious at first will put it off, well, it’s difficult and unpleasant for later to increase the amount of tasty. eh, but it's already change your life so that less events of action disgusted the desire to carry on later such things will always be in our lives. yes, i once wanted them, they will always be, but not like that, when we say 8 hours of work. it's this tasteless soup, and 5 minutes at the bar is a meatball. well

, it seems that life has not settled down precisely here is the regulation. there is another interesting moment there, for example, you have two things that you do not want to do - clean the apartment and write a diploma. well cum don't want to write anymore, but here's the time you can fill with cleaning apartments. so you, too, could not force yourself to clean the apartment. and so at least a way to force yourself to do a less unpleasant thing, you really will do it, but in general it’s bad or good to do nothing. why do we think that this is bad, because our body is programmed for what we should do, a person is predisposed to where the activity should be. to do this is equal to work to play sports to run. at least, otherwise he will feel badly guilty. or something else, yes? we as well as this feeling of guilt to win to start doing something or to accept that you can do nothing? it is very difficult

to accept, but, of course, you can accept it, but you understand what an organism is. and that the body needs you physical activity. this bettenberfein stand out in the rest, of course i have, a call, a call to all our listeners to try at least 15 minutes a day doing nothing, not reading not watching smartphones not working not going not moving around. so sit down and do nothing. fine? not 15 minutes. it's unbearable 5 million three minutes. try i'll try too. honestly. here is today and here is 15. do nothing. well, yes, it's a good experiment. i also advise, but i would like to supplement it. we are now working on a problem, just the management of time by biopsychological time. in short, we are now conducting an experiment.

we are looking at how daytime sleep affects health, various components of physiological, psychological health, and moreover, there are several volunteers who agreed to sleep during the day, just we started talking about fifteen minutes, well, 15-30 minutes. this is wrong. it's a pity. it's not just sitting there doing nothing. and lie down, relax , close your eyes, remove all thoughts. that is , you just don’t think them verbally, at least don’t think, that is, don’t talk about yourself. you can images, let them go. well, first of all, the first question. can you sleep like this? the second question is, how does it affect a person? we have already summed up the first results, which means, firstly, it is very difficult to force yourself. even those who can lie down for 15 minutes relax close their eyes just lie down if you can’t fall asleep your the task of lying down for 15 minutes, by the way, is interesting

from the point of view of biological control. as it is right, after 15 minutes people wake up on their own or open their eyes, that is, as if this rhythm is 15 minutes. yes, he is a person through him almost always wakes up. you can then fall asleep again, if you want, well, and secondly, yes, i already said, the first fact is that it is very difficult to force. why does this person indicate that these 15 minutes, here they are, well, that's how they are needed. and when he lies down, he wants to think about something, and thoughts. it seems to him that their own are so important that, well, how can you not think about it, and then yes, we want to see influential health. i have already said that there are only pensioners who either work at 1:00 a.m., or do not work, or people who work in such a relatively free mode, but i, of course, basically prepared this technique for pensioners. yes, let's start with the disadvantages, i will say the disadvantage. first , some cut their nighttime sleep to sleep during the day. this is wrong. well, that is, if you

usually slept at eight, but still desirable these eight to oversleep, and during the day for another 15 minutes , just those who reduced their night sleep greatly, they complained that they began to feel tired. well, this is like a minus, so i recommended everyone not to cut. night sleep, yes, then it is more difficult after a day. what's good? well, the experiment continues until we have a small number of people showing from what they said, no one got sick this winter , no one caught a cold. seriously. i decided that this can be considered as an improvement in immunity. well , of course, you need large samples, but let's back, wishing to manage time. ugh look. we talked about time during the day there months. and let's talk about time management throughout life. here, young adults, the elderly, they perceive time differently or in the same way, but this is such a classic question. yes, the question about the perception

of time, in principle, the classic answer is known to it, that in childhood, time is stretched slowly for a child’s day. this is eternity in youth. it, well, usually flows, and with old age it accelerates to the elderly to a person. it seems that the evening just opened my eyes and the days slip by without noticing. and besides the fact that you need to saturate the days, well, our advice, we still need to understand that it is the perception of time that changes, and there are two answers to this question. why? well, with age, time speeds up, one psychological another , i would say biopsychological uh, the classic version suggests that we perceive time differently, because we compare it with our life, a child at 5 years old for him another year has passed. this is 20% of his life, and for a person, let's say in 100 years, a year is only 1% of life. that is, it will be

accelerated for him, but 20 times the time. because you are comparing life expectancy , this is actually a good answer in terms of time management. oh well, that's just left to somehow compare time not with life expectancy. but there is another study. 2 years were spent in japan. in my opinion back we have neurons in the dark and the cortex, which is responsible for the perception of time. and with age, these neurons, as if tired, are inhibited, cease to be excited and accordingly, a person, and less than a person , neurons begin to participate in the perception of a time interval. as a result, for him, time accelerates less than the neurons that perceive time, and then in old age , on the one hand, the phenomenon arises that time rushes, and on the other hand, it becomes difficult to have time to do something in a short

period. if earlier, for example, i was going to work in 15 minutes. that is, now it’s not possible for 15 not because you get tired faster not because the body is sick or something else simply does not work out, this surprises many. ah why before for 15 minutes was going. and now, well, i can’t for 15, but the rest remains. well, this is considered and is due to the fact that the perception of time has changed. now those 15 minutes. for you, like 10 kapets again. well, subjectively, yes, and you don’t have time to find it. although, in principle, i could do it. what to do with it. if you take the biopsychological concept, because maybe it is sadder, yes, then it turns out that you need to teach neurons not to get tired. and this is the question, how not to grow old? or how to rejuvenate? he has no answer yet. well, another option in old

age is considered to increase such an indicator as awareness of life awareness mindfulness. well, such an indicator, you need to use this awareness for time management. that is , it turns out self-control. that is, you control yourself during these 15 minutes, in order to meet the deadline. but many people have some kind of aging plan. here i will be 60-70. god forbid 80. what am i going to do, how is she bitching my life. i think that people there is no such plan, and even retirees who have retired have no such plan, and there were such studies. but if you take a younger age, do you know there were still old studies? until what age do people imagine their life? that is, this is how they see how it seems to them for them and imagined it at the age of 18.