[000:00:00;00] this is an easy money podcast, i'm its host mikhail khanov today our guest is anatolyevich sokolov, a russian scientist, academician of the russian academy of sciences, director of the federal rural center for management informatics and, importantly, dean of the moscow state university faculty of computational mathematics and cybernetics. hello. mikhail, that is, let's start with who the it people are. here is some classification. we can say that today we are all it people, as soon as we have smartphones in the generation in which we now we have them all cost. well , they had to be able to use information technology tools, to be able to use these gadgets, to understand how they work. otherwise, we simply will not fit into the modern

rhythm and lifestyle. but the question, of course, is not connected with this; your question is connected with those people who have associated their profession with these phenomena. they also create with these tools. of course, this is what i consider the most, of course, the fundamental layer of it people who develop methods in our time, they were called engineers. engineer in including, i think that after all, i mean scientists scientists, those who, on the basis of fundamental mathematical results of deep penetration into these mathematical results, create those methods that then turn into technologies into tools. here, which we use another layer - these are the people who masterfully use these tools to solve some practical

problems, this is the layer that is actually considered by many to be those who write programs. those who create gadgets automatic platforms on which the main mass manifestations of these very methods and technologies are based, and this, of course, is the main thing for it people, but there are also other it people who use this tool in their daily lives. well, it's probably anyone . whom do you cook cabernetics - this is part of the moscow university of moscow university, this is first and foremost. such a traditional fundamental classical university, therefore, of course, our main task is still to answer the challenge and prepare scientists are those people who are those specialists

who are at least potentially. you are ready to conduct scientific research. we teach this guys. so i would like to ask a few words about the most famous graduates or some graduates of the vk, because i just recently learned that vyacheslav nikolaev graduated from the vk as the president of mts, there are well-known scientists who head such iconic academic institutions, for example, sergey mikhailovich abramov, director of the institute program systems in pereslavl-zalessky is a very interesting institute for a long time, which has not only conducted scientific research, but also trained specialists in this field. well, i'm sitting in front of you, too, the director. uh, as you said, the federal investigation center for informatics management of the russian academy is one of the largest academic institutions of our profile well in

silicon valley. vk graduates are a welcome guest very much. here i did not particularly single out silicon valley, but there is a rating among employers. here in our field, information technology graduates of the vmk are in the top 10 of this rating. there is no one else in the world among russian universities in this ranking. no, it is clear that mathematics is a science that is not getting younger, but it is and is, but at the same time, there is certainly development in it, as in any science. and here's a question related to this. what is the average age of a teacher or mathematics on vk well, for example, let's say teachers in general, because it is difficult to separate mathematics, he teaches programming or some other subject, approximately the average age is about 45 years. but it's young very young and we're really into recently, a lot of attention

has been paid to this, as far as russian. they fight for your graduates. you don't let them go. it's just that we learned, yes, and please, guys, swim, not only don't let go, but we do it. well, let's say professional training not only as a specialist , but as people, uh, socially oriented , we are engaged in the very first courses with our guys and the choice is not only a profession, but which apparently took place once he became a student at the vmk, but also a place of work for us too one of the tasks, so we are holding an event where we invite future employees of competitions, starting from the second year, starting from the second year and among all these large companies without exception. uh , the department of the vmc is listed as one of the main ones fighting for your students

motivates the degree . all of them are present, well, in the cult there is a presence, maybe in a very different joint laboratory, a joint curriculum, where they work with the guys not only university professors. well, and employees of technology who are already engaged in the application of these developments by technologies, so that this is not burdened with some future obligations. but now you have to go there to work, no, and even under such conditions, everyone is interested and certainly unconditionally. not only it companies , by the way, that is, all the giants are interested in their own ip-platforms, on which they will hang their own, and here one cannot do without the understanding that today, uh? uh, the economy as a whole is about industry, first of all, cannot do without the tools that we

call information technology. you probably have experience before the balloon system, which was adopted after that. well, i ’ll say by my own example that a special system of systems was generally needed. and i, therefore, when i hear, these are all modern names that are favorable and the magistracy still confuses them, to be honest, because we had such a system, we completed the university course in 3 years, and then we worked in institutions. academy of sciences here. i personally had an institute for the problems of mechanics in the southwest. that's 2 years. we worked there, in which we received part-time jobs, even yes, these are sixth-year experimenters or theorists. we wrote a diploma, and it was a full-fledged scientific work. i'm on the basis of my diploma often wednesday here. how do you feel about the system. eh, the one that exists now. from which we are going to refuse like russia and what then we are returning to the swamp system - this is not 4 + 2, this is not

most. the main feature is a measurement of the level of knowledge that you have received the amount of knowledge that you have received. yes, just learning. yes, for each subject there is a so-called credit unit in different countries. they can be called differently, but any person who opens a diploma sees the name of the discipline and the number. he, in principle, understands the level. that is, it is the unified coordinate system. yes. it is clear to everyone in the amount of information that you betrayed. well , of course, the grades you got. in in the process of learning, here is the essence of the balloon system and a very quite good essence from there and the fact that voices are now so actively heard from all sides that we a refuse it

and, most likely, will refuse exactly the two -step education system four plus two. this seems to me the most unfortunate choice. that is, one could choose one of the aspects is the measurability of the amount of information, well, that is , what you were taught at the university but do not change, and most importantly, do not take breaks in education. this is where we're going out. and this really correct. and uh, it's high time to do it also four plus two on vk all day long. uh, at moscow university, not all faculties have switched to two-stage, that is, well, let's say the mechanism of the mathematical faculty has not switched to five. six six years yes, but starting from the twentieth year from the twentieth year. we have made the decision

to return to continuing education. that is, in this case it is called, we have already advanced quite far on this path, but it is quite difficult this path, but it is correct, this break in education does not allow you to prepare. able to engage in science and engineering and practice. yes, that is, it turns out that the key to success is we restore the continuity of education throughout. even if five, a is better than 6 years, and we leave the system a for assessing the level of knowledge according to that common unified coordinate system that is accepted all over the world so, it seems to me, this is an ideal option, and the number of years depends on the specialty and i remind you that in the soviet union e not only a five-year education was from six-year-

olds. still studying for 7 years and now 4 year was for people of creative professions. so years need to be determined. specialty okay let's so here's our whole audience, you know, how everyone wants to know. that's good. you are so cool to us now, you tell everything, let's say we have it there, we have smart kids who will go there. what is the competition now, by the way, it is very difficult. but if you normalize it, here is the past. yes, that 's understanding. it was 71 years were the same going wild at all say. about five people in place is a very good competition. i think you should be proud of course much more, but now a person is pride, that is, i thought now you would say 2-3-5 - this is already, well, a real success. no, not like that. and this despite the fact that we stand out among

other faculties and universities of universities. the e of our profile is that we require four use results i.e. russian mathematics , informatics and physics. and another exam. entrance test received today. i know me very deeply. yes, and mathematics is obvious, or is it that ordinary mathematics is required by russian mathematics and something to choose from physics or computer science is not. salary

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graduated from vk in addition to it-companies, these companies are not the most important thing for which we are preparing the guys. the most important. i will return this industry in terms of the volume of required specialists, if not a system administrator serving the network, who is it is clear that, uh, vmk, they are preparing with the admin, at least for all the aircraft instructor, before that he develops it on special platforms. the tool simulates complex technical devices, for example, we do, well, actually an engineer, mathematics, of course , is very subtle, very fundamental mathematics, despite the fact that there are a lot of packages that help to do this and yet, if a fundamental person is unprepared for new he won't make a plane. and today all over the world, uh, it's impossible to convey documentation for a plant for the production

of an aircraft, if this documentation does not include modeling results. well, construction aircraft. this is just one of the shipbuilding industries. construction today, again, the modern power industry. even in this one. well, beam technology is again a simulation complete in life, also without mathematics, unusual, therefore, it must also be durable and convenient , maintainable, stable in certain areas, all sorts of engineering systems, so to speak, in the right way. well here's which also created by it people. at least they count them. yes, and they choose the optimal correct option. this is the first and main thing, i understand that it is difficult, but let's try. what salaries can

your graduates claim right away. well , guys, we are fantasizing, i immediately have an audience. let’s say we don’t get attached, but very close to the topic of money, the guys get a lot, that’s how much we’ll come at least 100,000 at once, at the same time, there are such guys and places where they immediately receive several hundred thousand. come on, i immediately once again here for our audience for a reason, we are sitting here as anatolyevich and discussing the topic of it and vmc, if you graduate from vk, then it costs the minimum that awaits you. and if you, uh, put a little imagination into your head and start working not just, but by exploiting something, but inventing and creating, then this is 200 and 300 thousand immediately after the end of training, i definitely want to make a remark. here we follow

ours, we follow not only how they are. work successfully or unsuccessfully and then the environment where they get their career growth. and so, what we notice is that it's very easy to make the first jump and immediately get enough new money. here are those same 200-300,000, but in the medium term , the average is 5-7 years, seven five, seven years. uh, this is the wrong track the right trajectory gradually. gradually, you don’t need to jump right away for a big salary; it’s better to go through all the necessary steps. uh-huh and as we see here are those who are moving progressively on this temporary matrix, this is all the same, yes, a little wavy, but directed upwards, still around y =

a few different it could be, well of course it wasn't time to be. this was not the first one, it was all y = x, but with some. i want to say that the one who immediately gets the big money. for some reason, he loses the incentive to professional growth. but those who gradually understand what lies ahead for them sooner or later overtake and become the boss of those people who we know that money should not be your goal at all, because, well, as they taught me and you and me, but it’s important become the best in your profession and the money will come to you. and so graduates in the mk are distinguished by the fact that sooner or later they become really in demand and really the best. and they arrange their lives not only from the point of view and learn, as i said, that is, you get them. learn to think and learn all the time. well, there is something specific behind these words. the main thing is that we teach them. that is

, we demand from them. what percentage of deductions? well, uh, in the twenty-second year i handed out diplomas, at the end of june 53% of those who entered the vk received a diploma, and in absolute numbers 100 and every year we accept about 350 350. this is a huge plus 280 magistracy and somewhere else about 150 contract soldiers and 580 foreigners, so we have a very large reception, 63% of them only received a diploma. yes, you call it we teach them to learn, and i call it that we compose them to work. imagine working, yes, but in our country teaching is equated with all work. that's why i always

say that. suffer the main thing to work. and you will have everything and the majority. still, the state is striving to work, it is aware of the importance. uh this branch of this direction in education in development and how it helps the state realizes the very fact of the existence of our faculty. this is proof that the state how do you know in the sixty-ninth year , a resolution was adopted, as it should be. the central committee and the council of ministers on the creation of several faculties in our branch of information then it was called differently, electronic computing . and by the way, physical and technical institutes. as a result of this decree

, the first dean of moiseevka was created precisely the results of this state attention. our faculty, amplifier of mathematics and cybernetics faculty in nizhny novgorod novosibirsk teach mathematics very strongly, well , of course there are several dozen of them. after all, this happened precisely because it was realized that this is the same computer technology, and now and now the same thing, and now what is it expressed in? you say that you feel the attention? i can say that it is felt. yes, i can say there that we are respected. yes, they listen to us, so to speak, yes, control figures. reception. so i think, so to speak, very interesting criteria, of course, the control numbers for admissions are higher, and they are not only at moscow state university, not only at our faculty. i am the head of the federal educational and methodological association

for computer information science, this is a public association, but which works according to the rules of the ministry of e, it unites, uh, about one and a half hundred universities that teach in the field of information computer science. and i see how much attention is paid not only to the federal but also to the local local even authorities. indeed, it is really in demand without information technologies without the ability to calculate, simulate, manage, it is impossible to imagine a modern economy, therefore universities invest support faculties support places for teachers for young ones, including those allocated, but at the university i just feel it all the time. well, we have prime minister

dmitry chernyshenko a year ago said that there is a shortage of specialists in the field of it. this is about 1 million people. the question is this, you feel from the feedback on some of your contacts at work. here is the federal national research center, and what about is there a return of specialists who choose for themselves? the country and projects in our country are both more interesting and rather than those for which they left, there 5-10 years ago across the ocean. or to europe, you know, i would not say that somewhere there are more interesting or more significant projects; in russia they have always been interesting and significant, and moreover , uh, working in russia, you could work both together and for a foreign company in an international collective, that is, well, that's globalism in this sense. he was present, of course. well

present today. uh, are we seeing the return of the specialists. you know all the time here. well, i've been for quite some time now. still in this industry. if it is possible, so to speak, i see both outflows of houses and waves back. and this turbulence began the process of return. let's go back to the numbers there, to the dates of 10 years ago, the state declared the priority to enter the industry and, among other things , made an effort to return specialists. yes, of course, laboratories were created. uh, where specialists from abroad were invited without fail and gave priority to those who, uh, were educated in russia, yes. it was such people there, and how far the topic of artificial intelligence threatens to become, but if not a magical industry, then

at least there is a significant piece of application of the knowledge of the forces of your graduates. well , on the example of the same automated process there. filing legal complaints yes there or some accounting calculations. here, uh, everyone is talking about what is not applicable there in construction. some other things are still under renovation. even artificial intelligence can become a psychologist. what is your opinion on this check. which because here's a sensational project the last few months? this is a chad gpt, who is able to almost there in a few weeks, even preparing to pass an exam at the same balloon university. yes, there was a famous case in france of someone using a chad gt paywall for a few weeks to write term papers and get a diploma. yes passed the exam, after all there are examples. yes, as far as the numbers sound, there will be 300 million seats lost your attitude to this process, to the level at which we are now

where we are and what it threatens, if it threatens your e, the branch of your specialty, of course, it is impossible to get around this topic. e , arguing i would these technologies, well, after all, i will make the necessary digression of the remark. uh, for the last 350 years, the economy and all of humanity has been developing. first of all, thanks to scientific achievements, it was during this period 350 years ago that i think the key event occurred, namely, it was presented to the world. differential calculus tool called newton's differential calculus, well at the same time, leibniz, this newton's greatest achievement is not the law of universal gravitation, which, by the way, you can explain to our audience. what exactly is the greatness of this introduction, that we have received

a mathematical apparatus that can express formulas for almost all the 350 years available to us. how did it begin that very law of universal gravitation, that is, we understood how the planets revolve around the sun. you see, this is wind, this is rain. these are ocean currents and so on , the schroeder equations appeared and this maxwell is ours with you electrodynamics quantum models that gave us atomic energy that's what served. those explosive ones

are actually 350 years old. this is very small even during the existence of man as a species somewhere around the middle of the 20th century. a person began to realize that there are processes and objects that cannot be described by differential equations. here is the same apparatus that newton well gave us and which was amplified by electronic amplifying machines. but these objects and processes exist, but, for example, for example, text in russian on any human language, well, it is impossible to describe it no equations, but no one doubts that it contains a huge amount of information, some believe that in one book all the information that is needed is in general. let's get professional here. speaking, you understand that a exist , and this is only a question of quality and e, volume and availability of the information support that you have,

because the random number generator is also calculated, but in order to extract information from such varieties object to model them and objects and processes has become. well, some, so to speak, original mathematics. on the basis of well-known foundations , in that it began to operate mathematically precisely with such concepts as similarity. the precedent is a consequence of the elements of actually artificial intelligence. that is why the human artificial terminology began to be used, although the normal mathematical disciplines of linear probability theory are based on. here are two basic mathematics. well, functional analysis, returning initially to the question, artificial intelligence is dangerous for humanity as a whole and for it people more than any other mathematics, when you and i solve the same vessox equations

using the mind method with everything samara or runes. yakuta, we don’t care about whether these very methods of rungi-kut or the difference, so samarsky’s, are dangerous to us. why did we suddenly, so to speak , take care of whether the methods of artificial neural networks, which are based on the same linear skills, are dangerous or not? . well that is very simple, what we uh come to that the person himself is the same. you understand the danger that can be laid in the development of artificial security electronics, except for the danger of uh existence itself. why did these 2,000 people sign a letter about slowing down development and taking control of uh, the development of artificial intelligence , you need to carefully look at what they actually asked for so, because uh, they asked to take control so that this does not come out history and uh and did not develop within the framework of any particular state with a certain capacity to ensure that

the different causes of these people, up to the most banal, the same originally stood for the origins, that is, the company itself about it. well, here is a gpt chat, which, well, then sold his share, maybe he is now worried that he has no money left. when asimov wrote his three laws of robotics in the sixties, in my opinion, i do not remember exactly the year, but even then humanity was concerned about, well, let 's say, it's better than his minds. what can threaten and how can you put under control the development of artificial intelligence, that is, you think that all these processes are absolutely controllable, and firstly, i believe that all these processes have nothing to do with the human intellect. bye.

maybe on that level. ah, development at the rate of development of counting capacity, after all. if you want, how many more decades? probably they will be related to artificial intelligence. that's right, why is michael so unique the human brain and emotions are so important and, let's say , an uncalculated emotional component that it cannot be repeated? well, first of all, you have to still not talking about the brain. or at least not only in the brain, but in a person as a whole, so at the heart of everything there are some physical, well, in the general case, processes, but until now a person has not even come close to understanding how the brain works. it is the same physiologists , physiologists, who are aware of this. yes, we see something, but we are infinitely far away. i seem to understand how it works. i agree with you, so answer the question 20 30

200 or 300 years. i never answered never. this is a very worthy answer. and he is at least least clear. i really love answers like this. this is the answer, math. i can only note here that pay attention to how quickly the topics with unmanned vehicles were curtailed all over the world and in russia , of course, development continues, but nevertheless, as hot, the more simple tasks have already begun tackle there as agricultural machinery. yes, there are combine harvesters , we have companies there in russia, an academic pilot who does this , or a tram and electric trains, and so on. that is, where a is easier to arrange, uh agricultural production. it's not just a combine. these are sensors on tree trunks that provide the required amount of moisture, and fertilizers and so on. and this is really a huge benefit, there is 2-3%, uh, efficiency in the smelting of uh complex,

so to speak, uh alloys. this is also a colossal benefit if we apply the methods that we call artificial, those innovations that are now in russia, such as the management of drones of technology in relation to road transport. i've always felt weird. eh, much more efficient than me does not seem to betray the human qualities of cars and make it. so to speak , like a person, well, without a person it is much more efficient to build under a friend in general the principle of controlling a moving object. i agree, yes, when we begin to endure, we immediately balk, and thus these technologies that actually

reveal achilles. there are many manifestations of work since the evening, for example, here is the gpt chat. this is work with speech, we were taught at school that speech can be written and oral. so here, working with a written jesus in russia there are similar developments. right away, that is, here it is by no means possible to belittle our capabilities of our competencies in the implementation part of a friend. in the end, in russia, yes. these federal communication centers are informatics management, the authors now work here. well, there are many such achievements, but we play comrade. you and i a-a understand, and i hope our audience understands that in the short time given to our program to discuss precisely. here is a very important question, that money