thank you for coming with her today. it became easier for me to breathe, i began to want to breathe. thank you very much. thank you thank you this was a podcast triggers and you were. we are tatiana krasnovskaya, sergey nasabyan, psychologists and psychotherapists, and we talked with victoria about an existential crisis. good night. we continue our flight in the podcast. everyone wants to fly, the altitude is 10.000 m . the weather is excellent, the autopilot is on and, as usual, the monitoring pilot leonid yakubovich and the pilot are on board alexey kochevasov. good evening. now

we have retired, literally 3 months ago, and before that, almost 40 years, more than 20 types of aircraft, the last place of work pilot instructor boeing 737. well, how to say, i still do not understand. yes, i still don't understand. why, because, from 1983 to the end of the year 2022 , i didn’t have a single year break so that i didn’t fly, that is, this is how a woman developed. 30,000, about 20 each. yes, 20 each for sure. i don't remember now. why? because when it was over 10,000 stopped counting it, because there was somehow no point in leading anyone there, everyone already understood everything. well, let's talk for those who generally uh, hmm don't understand. what is being discussed so far. in any case, everyone knows what aviation is, but nevertheless , no one understands that this is the most difficult thing in

piloting in the work of a pilot, the most difficult in the work of a pilot is making decisions. the most difficult thing is to make a decision that will be correct, yes, and without erroneous. why because as soon as you make a decision, one that leads to some kind of mistake, a in difficult meteorological conditions when aviation equipment fails, then it is very, very difficult to rake it up later, so there is a sense of responsibility and the implementation of the correct procedures for making the right decision. this is perhaps the most difficult word of the commander, the last. extremely sorry, probably, the last one will be more correct. yes , because, well, for our listeners and viewers. we can say that this hmm balance between the extreme and the latter, it causes very big such disputes and everything else, but on it's actually more aviation slang. yes , the last flight is extremely, and the decision should be the last. why? because after it

, it is no longer necessary to make a decision. yes, no, well, it is desirable that this should not happen and the word of the commander is unconditional. this is the last word. why because all the responsibility lies with the team you ended up that i graduated from the borisoglebsk higher military aviation school named after valery pavlovich chkalov and sat down by the handle with a su-17 m3 m4 bomber fighter in general, such an interesting life stage is when you move from military aviation. oh well, i had experience in the military transport aviation, because in those days the ninety-third year. uh, after the collapse of the soviet union, the shelves began to fall apart and that's it. the rest of them to serve up the need. i'm also a reserve officer. this is the position of assistant commander of the ship

to aircraft, 223, but still big board. yes , it already was. so to speak, the last one of the largest boards. well, this is the largest turboprop aircraft in the world today. world, that is, the largest 550 people. take-off weight, yes, but in fact it was very unusual, not from the point of view of piloting. well, i was already familiar with piloting large aircraft, when they say large transport aircraft, this is implied, including passenger aircraft, because, well, you can convert a passenger aircraft into a cargo aircraft to carry the same dual-use cargo. and, as it were, with piloting in large aircraft. i already knew. but it is precisely with that inner atmosphere, and with those tasks and goals that put before the civil aviation military aviation was. of course, it is very interesting, but in terms of this, these are completely different works, completely different works. when you are in the armed forces. yes, and when you are in the civil easier and

the work is very, very different. especially for those people, the transition from military aviation to civil aviation, and who have spent a lot of years, let's say, and military aviation. here is my near. and a friend of dmitry kokos, well, a former solo aerobatic swift, he is already over 40 years old. yes, he switched to civil aviation. him hair stood on end. what are the requirements? first is uh, what is called self-education? that is , no one will follow you civil aviation. if military aircraft do everything by order. you are being retrained, your daily routine is checked by the news, yes, completely and the father is the commander. everything decides for you, by and large, and with your development, promotion. uh, with career growth. you are already becoming a father commander and you are becoming the one who gives tasks to his subordinates, the farther, the closer in civil aviation. nothing similar, basically. no, that is, yes, there is a general director, there is

a flight director. but this is an administrative job. yes, those who, uh, somehow direct and organize the work of the airline in such a way that it is effective, then immediately the question is is it good or bad? i think it's bad and not bad. they are just different things. it was you who raised the issue of discipline. it's not that someone decides for you, but military discipline itself, accustomed to follow orders, including your own order of course, of course, the regime here in civil aviation is a little different, of course, and here it’s more about self-discipline, exactly why hmm because, well, like civil aviation, first of all, the pilot is engaged in the fact that he, as it were, develops his professional viability, yes, then there he tends to some, uh, everything and a more modern aircraft long-haul flight more interesting

flight. but all this is heard on the fact that, uh, on the salary we will say this, how professional you are, the higher you are, uh, in your own, so to speak. flight e affairs something wealthy in this matter, the more they trust you, the more interesting flights, the more highly paid flights can be. yes , some, but at the same time, self-discipline teaches that a person understands what he is doing. yes, if you refuse to fly once, yes, you didn’t come to work for some reason. there the second time refused. or you do not pass any tests in training and everything else, well, you will have an appropriate relationship and simply. you will not become a commander, as a simple example? yes, well, tell the guys crew how many people seven? well, plus. there are also two boeing 737 technicians, this feeling is easy. but it was the most interesting

moment in my life when i fly those planes with a large number of crew members. well, before that i have a tu-154 there. i mean up god it. yes, tu 154 there are 204-3 people. well, there was something else an engineer. that's when you get into the cockpit, where there are only two people left. that's the philosophy of the crew members. she surprised me, let's say very, very strongly was 2.000 the sixth year when i first retrained to battle, 837, city of danburg, united states and there i learned that if we thought that the crew is one family, and when people know each other very well from a close-knit such a team. this is very good for flight safety, then in a two-member crew. it turned out that the best thing for me was not to know this person and see him for the first time in the cockpit. and this is the safest approach to doing paradox a when you and i are familiar. we grew up in the same

yard. graduated from a one-year school. they went to the same school. the class worked for the same company. we know each other, we trust each other, we trust very much, yes, a person, if i know a person for 10 years, i understand that he is reliable, like a rock, and at this time, when he is in the cockpit, and the whole uh, the whole philosophy of the binary crew. it is based on the mutual control of crosses check, what is the name of yes check-chik such a ping-pong, so that you don’t take it in the cockpit, so that you don’t put or turn some knob, that is, you say a set with this one. prescription aids and the one that checks with you, not piloting at this moment, says the check checked so that's when i trust a person very much, and he does something. and i'm there to distract, roughly speaking, the connection is on or something else. he told me a set, but i know him well. i said check and did not look, and he is a man at some point he can make a mistake. when you have a stranger sitting, on the right to the left, well, that's not the point, yes, from

some place you treat a person very carefully and any of his actions are any of his. and so to speak, the implementation of the procedure. you are in control all the time. this is the key to success there he grabbed the handle, and about these things, you know how many times we are shown moments when the flight attendants are sitting in the cockpit of the aircraft, and the dispatcher tells her which button to press and she lands. yes, yes, ultra-modern , yes, yes, yes, one question. the dispatcher knows what to say to her and knows when she needs to do something. how to check the dispatcher, when she is sitting alone in the cockpit, whether she took the pen. he tells her. please set the course to 0.58, and she, out of excitement or something else , takes the pen and sets not the course, but the speed 0.58 the dispatcher does not see this. how can he check? well, safely the plane with a speed of 0.58, everything is the same here

. that is, if at some point you begin to lose control over what is happening, and in communication between crew members, a mistake is inevitable. then i understand what the conversation is about, but on the other hand, on the shoulder of 10,000 miles. having next to a person with whom there is psychological compatibility, what is there to talk about? there is still some moment, well, professional, but there is a moment human when 10.000. it's a long time you get tired of sitting, your legs are numb, talking with a friend, one thing with a stranger is completely different. this is a fact, indeed the psychological attitude in the cockpit and the relationship between the crew members is based in principle on mutual respect and understanding as well, but at the same time it is the so-called crm. yes, except for the actual, that is, cabin resource management. and the thing is, if you sit.

8-10 hours one flight with that person who is unpleasant to you and whom you think that he does not communicate with you, right? that is you cannot find general waves of general conversations or something else like that, you have the right to refuse, to carry out the next flight with him. well, it's psychologically difficult. it's very difficult. yes. i'm talking about this, which means, after all, the parameters, when i know him and not for the first time i'm sitting in the cockpit with him. well, somehow it's our mentality. this is our mentality. it's in the blood. yes, here we have people living in this territory on a huge one in our blood, which is really much easier for me and a friend with a loved one. why because i know what to talk about. yes? i trust him and everything else, but in terms of global implementation. and here is the actual work of the two crew members. here is a fact. this is the same as when they say that two engines or 4 engines per aircraft are reliable. why is it not being made in four engines now?

are two engines more reliable? yes, this cannot be. we also have four units twice as many as two, the probability of failures is twice as good, night flight, but not only do i need to sleep well before that i can’t understand what kind of installation it is . sleep well, but nonetheless. this is a serious test for the body, of course, and as far as i know, they don’t even set two night flights in a row, but they set two, but after them 48 hours from rest is mandatory, that is, according to labor law, and the rules for rest and work by flight crews . you can take two night flights. well, after that 48 hours. sorry but this is easily the hardest transition. today. you fly at night through the day. you have early morning. you came home, 12 o'clock, the afternoon flight rested you. you came from the day case at 8 pm and at 4 am you have

the next one. and it's already morning. yes, there we will assume that or is there some kind of night still going on? you need to fly again and there is no such thing that you fly only nights for a week, and only days for a week. well, plus jetlack. and when you fly big planes, i happened to be the commander of more than 777 and fly very, very far, yes, and you become. as my wife said. you are worse than a sailor. i i say, in the sense she says, well, you are half a year at sea half a year at home. and you are at home. no, we fly with you on the first day of the new month at 11:00 am moscow time. we are flying somewhere across the ocean. mexico 12-13 hours of flight two crews. naturally, it flies. that is, we are changing in that is, we have wings to rest there. but since the earth is still round, although some argue this is the opposite. here we are flying from east to west and catching up with time. that is,

we fly this mexico the same first numbers, and at the same 11 o'clock figuratively plus or minus there, and in moscow the second number has already come. now you rest, at least a day there, but as a rule, that is, it will be 2-3 days anyway, because flights to mexico are not performed every day. let's say they run twice a week. that is, you have 2-3 days. you need to rest there on the third day, which comes there. and here it’s already the fourth you fly in the opposite direction and again you fly this time, and the earth has already passed on the fifth day of the sixth, total flying away. the first one, the sixth one, who came back, actually was not at home for a week, but no one will let you rest for a week, because you have to fly flights. that is, you flew in , fell off for a day or two, and again flew away for a week. and if you have 3-4 days, and if there is a relay race for 5 days and such flights, when you arrive a-a in cuba, for example, then you are transported to mexico because the next plane to the cube will arrive only in 10 days, and

so that there the crew of 10 days does not keep you transfer to mexico where you are after 3 days safely. fly home, total operate four flights per month. at least for 5 days, at least, and so for six to seven and that in a month 30 days of them, well, five six days, you are at home, but not all in a row, but, that is, in a week yes, after this interval so from months together from year to year while i'm at the camp. pay the crash site. miraculous rescue in the film one premiere on the first well and again leonid yakubovich monitorevich

pilot we are making our flight to sneak up. everyone wants to fly commander alexei kochebasov, we continue our conversation. which the world's most difficult airports difficult airports, in principle, there is no bad weather? no why, ah, and i know. according to the lights there, the wind is very strong. there are good shifts and that's it. and this is an airport on stilts. yes, it stands near the mountain, there is always wind. e question. what when you have fine weather , no wind, yes, good visibility, you studied this report. and in principle, when you see, in addition to instrument flight. you still see all this visually, but in principle, for an experienced pilot , they remembered to make an approach and land madeira and at the same time same report. and where there is a side wind, a slippery

strip and visibility is bad. yes, this is where the problems begin. that is, you must be ready. in any case, in any way, as one good friend of mine says. he says the pilot is about to land at the airport and is about to go around. well, if you're lucky, a lot of sayings will sit down, yes, there are no friends in the fourth turn, yes. yes, yes, difficulties in landing. this icing of the strip is the wind. yes , perhaps visibility, which means yes, these are the criteria, in general, ornithological dangers, but this is not the human factor will speak. naturally yes, that is, this moment, the one that you cannot betray. yes , you can not predict there will be birds today , there will not be these birds. today a meteorite will arrive, but it will not burn up in the atmosphere before your plane, and the human factor is unconditional. why because a give you the coefficient of friction on the lane, but to be clear,

this is slipperiness. yes, the condition of the concrete itself. they tell you that you have, well, four abstract numbers, damn, the parameters are like this, and you land and it turns out that it is far from 0.4. it's solid ice. it can certainly be so. you are told that gusts of wind. here they are, let's say. you see that you are on the verge of your criteria for stabilized approaches and your limitations in general on the aircraft. you approach the wind strip, it turns out to be completely different and it's good when it is quieter. and if he is stronger, then you are obliged to take into account, of course, for the second round without questions, huh? that's what the law says. yes, that is, i'm not sure, go to the second circle, go-around, is considered to be a competent decision of the commander to perform and complete a safe flight and the flight is very interesting. well , for people who have ever managed to hold on to the horns by the handle, in general they have

ever sat in the cockpit, which many mistakenly call the cockpit. although the cockpit is generally a little bit the wrong place for the helmsman of hammer ships. yes, so, here, uh , sometimes passengers applaud at the landing. eh, that's nice. well, it's rather strange, because they don't understand what happened. and you you understand here a frequent question, yes, which are asked from time to time, it is you who hear applause first. eh, the second will be this question. it's pleasant or unpleasant. well, 90% of the applause is not heard. why can't you hear? because after landing , the reverse is turned on, yes, plus you have increased vibration. no matter what the airport is. it doesn't matter, that is, an airplane - this is a piece of iron . yes, the set will say a huge set of metal plastic things that creaks and buzzes, and it slows down at a speed of 250-300 km / h there to zero stop and that's it it roars. you just don't hear. well

, naturally, the flight attendants pass. because you were home-planned. so, you are such a good fellow, there it’s just right for me. yes, of course it's nice when you applaud, but understanding, as if for what. here you are in the elevator. yes, with some old-fashioned elevator operator, right? or rubbed pressed the button bodice arrived. yes, got off or at the bus stop the driver stopped got off the driver will be pleased, but it's work. yes, by the way, from this point of view, the question. what is the safest vehicle to ride? why am i talking about this spoke many do not understand sometimes how we say, kitty? yes this neck is a show of skill - it means kiss-weaving stripe. so you have to sit in such a way that you don’t touch at all, but sometimes there is a rather hard landing, associated, uh, uh, with safety hazards, because if the strip is not very well processed, then this landing makes

it possible to increase the friction coefficient times and you will have to strip. this is especially important when landing on wet lanes; wet dumping is the so-called yes, that is, that lane, but which contains water. you can get on the planning and of course go, you will not slow down anything and therefore it is prescribed to perform some kind of syncwines. yes, but a rather tangible landing page. yes, you must no one says landing. yes, to beat the plane normal pressure. yes, there are a lot of options. eh, the case is there, yes. this is good too. so let's try to explain m-m passengers. and by the way, i am convinced that , after all, a phobia, among other things, can be removed, at least if you hang a monitor in the cabin on each upcoming chair so that it stands a fpv camera so that passengers can see

what is happening, and now there are such functions, but there are, but you know how, over the long years of working in civil aviation for 27 years, i worked in civil aviation. so i just thought something like this, i noticed that they share the passengers, like those who are afraid to fly aerophobia. yes, this is what they are divided into, somehow, into three groups for me personally. i shared them. the first group is those who do not know what is happening and do not understand what is happening. that is, there the chattering plane hit the wing shaking. now there is turbulence there, that is , people do not understand, and they are afraid of the unknown scares them, and the second category of people are those who say, i do not control the process , who are sitting there, who is sitting there in this cabin. they went down the ladder and saw, there was a twenty-year-old boy sitting there. that's what he says, how are you taking him there, that is, they don't seem to control the process, i say, wait, you are sitting in the car. well, let's say you have a driver on the left. you are on the right, you have a steering wheel, an accelerator pedal,

there are brakes, you control how, a and you look at you, a kamaz is flying and a man is answering. well, i see that kamaz has territories on it and the third category. but, most likely, these are already serious such things. and that is, a person begins to look for some uh cases when the plane crashed. yes, information about disasters is beginning to be given there. this is a reliable company. this company, reliable , is an old plane. that is, he is not preparing to fly a man, he is already ready that he will die in this plane. well, that is, it is indeed a phobia that is connected. on my look already with such psychiatric moments. in principle, these people are very easy to distinguish even, well, men, as a rule, they are still there. yes, it’s understandable that they are already ready for the airport, yes, and they get on the plane in the trash, we’ll tell the woman there they start there. from the check-in counters and erase. yes, that is, they are dissatisfied with something else, they enter the salon, not such a chair, not such a stewardess , something else, but these are people, of course, i don’t know how, uh, i’m

not a doctor, yes, that is, i can’t, but with those who do not control and who do not understand what happens to them is much easier. how many times have you had the opportunity or the need to get out of the cockpit to calm the situation? the commander has no right to leave the cockpit; in any situation, he has no right and the pilot does not leave the cockpit either. in the event of some kind of emergency situation on board, i mean, with a brawl with the behavior of people, this is strictly prohibited. but how is the commander responsible for everything? the commander is responsible for everything. yes, of course. well, imagine that your plane is flying inadequately. he rages and everything the commander leaves the cockpit at this moment, and he is more powerful, he is an athlete or something else. and plus the alcohol on board, yes, which blew his head off and everything breaks the cockpit, and you can’t deal with him further, what is forbidden to enter is your task, as soon as possible to sit down for you

the most comfortable board on which you flew the most comfortable, of course, it's a boeing 777 exactly like uh. excuse me. i explained it is a two-story. no no no. this is the largest powered aircraft that flies the farthest. yes, of course, this is the most comfortable with point of view, and spending time on the plane, because it is very long and very far away. we continue our flight at an altitude of 10,000 m in the podcast of everyone who wants to fly , the flight order is with us the commander of the ship alexei khachamasov and i am the monitoring pilot. leonid yakubovich i was terribly interested in our body. we are used to what from ourselves down to ourselves up, left to left to right to right, and this is a habit. this is how the psychophysics of a board with a handle with a joystick works. they say that it is very convenient, but on the other

hand, why is it made, so that, firstly, when you have a steering wheel in front of the dashboard , it closes a certain number of devices. you're not going anywhere, that doesn't close the question. the site is more convenient in terms of cabin volume , the one that you see in front of you, plus this handle on the site is a stick, and an electric remote control, although the same boeing 777, which is also one of the two remote control systems by wire. as it is called, but he left the steering wheel, of course, he left the steering wheel, by the way, the tu-24 aircraft. yes, that is such a bicycle is the same site and customers, but it works, however, not like a real steering wheel, that is, for itself. it works like this, i understand, but

nevertheless, it’s still from myself to myself, by the way, also from myself, yes, but there is one hand. and you see, when you put in, or rather, take a pen and try, uh, writing with your left hand is uncomfortable to write, but if you get into a car, you can steer with your right hand and steer with your left hand, that is, there are no special differences and addiction, a that's for me as an instructor pilot. i fly left and right and left and right. yes, today i have to steer with one hand with the right hand, and tomorrow with the left steer. and how easy it is to transfer from the right cup to the kvs cup, if you held it with your right hand, and then tomorrow you have to hold the left one very quickly, in principle, addiction comes very quickly. that is, there are, well, roughly 5-10 flights at the moment when the instructor introduces the commander. that is, he teaches. you don’t sit down immediately as a co-pilot and the commander immediately flew on his own. no, that doesn't happen. yes, that is the man who flew co-pilot, and then it is already clear that he has matured before that. that is, it passes,

we will speak of a certain part. he knows that he passes simulator training with credits and many do not pass, but i do not pass from pilot to commander, why because we will say 80-90% of the success of a flight depends not so much even on your knowledge of skills. how much of your psychological state? after all, find yourself in the cockpit when you know everything, you can do everything, but your hands are shaking, yes, almost a panic state. you can't do anything make an emergency. everything falls apart , there is absolutely nothing, and when the second pilot passes exactly. eh, this way of passing tests for candidates for commanders is important, how he feels on the plane and the simulator shows this, yes, that is, no supernatural situations are created there. and we look at how a person knows how to manage. here are the resources of the cab. yes, we do some special cases, but the transplantation itself and from right to left, it is unusual. it is, of course, unusual. why

because for a long time for many years you sat on the right side and raised his head. right to left up there here. you filled the car computer with your left hand. yes, and you flew, when they gave you, you flew with your left hand controlled the engines, and with your right hand you controlled the steering wheel, and then you need to turn everything upside down. and now you have. you turn your head from left to right and the first time. naturally, the dashboard and all controls. it seems completely alien to me. well, it’s not so unusual, it doesn’t get used to it pretty quickly, by the way, even then, if touched on this topic simulator, yes , today in simulator training, in principle, this is the cornerstone why because, no matter what the modern simulator is? you will not learn to fly a real plane, even after spending six months a year there, even psychology, even if you work, muscle memory psychology from work. yes, psychology here is a moment of psychology, but how to work out

emergency situations, how to work out interaction with crew members, how they communicate with each other the simulator is very good for this, that in general getting used to the cockpit to the layout of the instruments views i'll tell you. why can i say this from my own experience? i asked myself a few times ago. after watching all these films, i wonder if something happens, here they come running, excite screaming, the crew guys are in a swoon. oh-oh-oh, who can land a plane, and for this purpose i went to the boeing 737 simulator. i have been walking for half a year now, and i was there, it turns out. i perfectly understand how, after all, having a certain touch is normal. i understand very well the difference between drainer and along with the water a living plane, among other things, i think.

that this very psychology that we say when you have 300 people behind you, yes, plus, you understand that there may not be a second time, then you and no one will correct you, because you have to sit down. i don't, i still don't know if i can or not. you know, there are a huge number of flight-time computer programs, these flight simulators that simulate all flights, and i have very, very much respect. here are those guys young and older and already aged, you know, who are very much into these simulators, but these simulators they give theoretical knowledge about the cockpit about the aircraft, of course, and the most amazing thing is that these guys study so deeply. but the equipment of the aircraft, the functions of the aircraft, their capabilities, how to work with them so deeply that i sometimes say. why is he so deep? are you digging? well, there is a book, and how in our school, which i studied. and the head of the department of

aerodynamics was colonel kopatsyn, he says, guys, you understand that higher education is not a garbage can into which you need to load all the knowledge, and then tinker around there and pull it out, you need to be able to use literature, that is, you must find the knowledge that you need at the right time. do you know where to get them? remember how the film sherlock holmes yes, he says, yes, this is the attic says, well, there everything is on the shelves. here is this golden film library, our education in my opinion. i always said this is the ability in the reference literature. absolutely taught you where you can find. if anything instant experience. you know, you need to take this textbook or this one absolutely for sure. i agree with this. why because, and as they say? that's how they threw a pebble into the water, right? first, a small circle that is, of such a diameter, then it diverges, the wider the circle of your knowledge

, the wider the circle of your ignorance, that is, beyond this wave further and you will not be able to memorize 5-10 books that you need to study, but you read them once. you already know where, what to find. yes, there are necessary the postulates are those that you should know by heart, but even the manufacturers of modern foreign domestic aircraft. here is this knowledge of the meme with the so-called, that is , actions from memory that you must do, they fit in 3-4 in five lines maximum. why because people understand perfectly well if you memorize the quran, the bible and everything else and don’t repeat it, it’s every day day after day like a in monasteries, yes, that is, they only do this, then at some necessary moment you say twenty-fifth page, fourth line from the top. you will not remember, at best you will be mistaken, for sure. i've talked to many and many times abroad. and where would i be. i have only one question. it doesn’t matter to me what is happening, it doesn’t matter to me where i

will live, how close the flying club is, right? yes, i'm only at the well, so anger in any country in the world i flew in canada in america in france and united flew and i know the opinion we talked about this several times. i know everyone's opinion there are no better russian pilots in the world. well, here the question is such a criterion. uh, you see, here again i had a chance to fly in private aerocubes. yes , the little ones in the same united states flew somewhere there and also says, but good alex good , that is, the way you fly, he says, they don’t do it here. i say, well, maybe it's from our crazy some with some. e, such as to say inside, and now i 'll show you how i can do it or something that i can do it too, yes, do it there. well, i can’t say that the russians are direct pilots. they are the best of the best. no, well, one of the best. let's do it. well, maybe i agree,

in any case, any passenger should know. no, of course, god- kissed people are sitting there. i've always said it, and still do. until now. i have a feeling of something completely impossible. there are people to whom god has given an ear for music, there are people who are composers and artists, and there are people, pilots, it will not be absolutely different. i absolutely agree with this, because my flying life has shown that yes, there really are people who are given and exist people for whom there are people who find it hard for mine, this is also given, but with a certain amount of work. and there are people with great difficulty, but it does not work. this is also true . we say goodbye to you, our plane landed at the airport. ostankino flight gave him pleasure. always. looking forward to having you aboard our podcast everyone wants

to fly. with us was the commander of the ship alexei kochevasov, i pinched the monitor leonid yakubovich goodbye. lord