eh, anyway. here is the luck of the hood is that but this, uh, collective image hit the mark, yes , that is, it really reproduced as much as possible, uh, convincingly and as close as possible some very important uh story for the uh unconscious of this most bourgeois society. that is, if hitting the bull's-eye wasn't , well, the book wouldn't have such a success, yes, and the success of the book is always ensured by hitting the bull's-eye in some kind of problematic wound, where it generally fester bleeds. and so, when there is a writer or an artist in the broadest sense, yes, he will stick his first society like this. but you can’t ignore it, sometimes it’s remembered for a long time. but it seems that this is a problem that such a woman is a tear and the opposite. sea wife, uh, that's

it. she arouses the interest of desire. this is a problem. the problem is that you, uh, consciously declare one thing, and the unconscious you have a completely different fantasy, guys. you are bipolar. well, as now he writes on the internet these of yours yes, but it’s not possible, as if praying for an icon, and like turning away, uh, perform some other actions with dirty pictures. yes, that is a contradiction. this is cynicism, this is duplicity. yes, that is, duplicity within this, and society and it undermines it and destroys it from the inside. yes, and i want to remove this contradiction , insincerity is felt in this. ok then. you alone will round off. if you want to mention something else, say something separately. i might have, uh, said that something went wrong for a blood murder. why is this novel interesting? and what is described there? well, books are cold-blooded

murder can be a very long story. it seems to me that this is the best book under the hood and may be one of the best american books of the 20th century. and maybe the best non-fiction ever written. yes? let's say this with a metaphor. yes, here, who watched lynch's films, for example, there is blue velvet yes, there is blue velvet opens the frame. uh, the camera flies from above these, uh, perfect american towns. yes, one-story america means toy houses. i tried to have such colored cars. this means bushes. someone is watering. so these bushes water, everything is just perfect. all is well. then the camera descends descends descends descends into the grass. and there , as it were, well, like a carpet, yes, and it turns out that under the carpet something is noticed there, which they devour each other. there's just friends running cold. there are goosebumps in the back

and in the po complete horror, because behind the wrong side of this they tried under the carpet, uh, labeled with real nightmares and real horrors. he's talking about it from the inside out. yes, right. i think yes, under the carpet, yes, yes, and this is his tool and his success is his success, but also great art, because after all, stas has such a passion with such a talent for opening his abscesses and bourgeois society. few people succeeded, yes, yes, and he is terribly fascinating because you think, just do not come off. and most importantly, in the end you sympathize. even this killer. of course, they are still scum bastards, there and so on and so forth. well, you just understand how they became such scum. do you understand the pattern? yes and at this moment you will embrace real horror, because b

other logic and in other patterns. these same guys could be, i don’t know , polar explorers, space explorers e pilots well in one. thank you for talking. thank you very much. this was a podcast, a must read. i am a festering obodnikova director to write or presenter podcasts today we discussed tomorrow putin this is the famous novel of the novel hoods with vadim the elemental. we have a podcast of letters, today we will talk about konstantin konstantinovich rokossovsky, the historian yegor yakovlevich is my guest hello i am very glad to see you, true, there are a lot of questions, a lot of secrets , a lot of untruths. it is clear that

the times were the most severe and everything was corrected. uh, his biography, well, many wrote those who came forward er lie about their origin. and by the way, konstantin rokossovsky he was from what family? well, the ancestors of konstantin konstantinovich were polish nobles. this is a very famous family and, for example, his great-grandfather, lieutenant of the lugansk regiment. ah. the troops of the duke of warsaw as part of the napoleonic grand army participated in the campaign against russia and he survived in the course of these events. well, he had a hard time, as we know how great his army is, ah, father. eh? go to konstantinovich already belonged to such an impoverished branch of this kind, although there were still influential relatives who allowed him to get the position of auditor of the warsaw ring road. uh, well, my father died very early. and now he was left without a father and without a rich uncle. he e

was forced to work as a simple worker. although, again , he worked for his relatives as a quarry with a fleece, and it is natural that this left a certain imprint on his e worldview. so perhaps this was one of the reasons why he ended up joining the reds in the civil war. e in russia well, that attracts attention. ah, from a young age. he was a fan of adventure literature. he read fenimore. cooper thomas main ri. yes, and he had such a romantic perception of life, he would like a handsome man. meter eighty height, but very good. blown up e is athletic, yes, well, about education here, so to speak, we must understand what we mean by e education. as for his beauty definitely, yes, a handsome man, definitely. uh, very athletic. and so to speak, his whole appearance

indicated that he was fit for military service, which he had chosen for himself. uh, by the way, together with his cousin, a frenchman and rokossovsky. here they were together on the fronts of the first world war. konstantin konstantinovich served in the kargopol, and the cavalry regiment a and e, well, he was a natural gay. first world consequences. he will write to his wife that i know how to be germans. and it won't be empty right. yes, because constantine konstantinovich received the st. george cross for the first world war. uh, st. george's crosses are such awards that it was impossible to receive for service in the rear. they could only be obtained for a feat directly. in the fighting at the front, why did he prove his whole life? uh, that he is not a real colonel, but a real marshal and i already want closer, uh, to the great patriotic war. tell me , when he was arrested in the thirty-seventh year,

what was presented to him? yes, he was arrested during a period when, uh, there was a whole series of arrests on military affairs, and the most famous cleansing is the most terrible, the most famous case - these are the epochs among the military, this is the tukhachevsky case. well , arrests were made on the tail of this department and other military men leaked in today's language. but the fact is that the case has actually been destroyed , we clearly don’t know who wrote the denunciation on it, therefore, no matter how. well, well, uh, let's not operate with rumors, and he was allegedly presented with his testimony, uh. uh, a colleague of yushkevich, who died long ago and rokossovsky needed no powerful stakes, which could not take place. but we know for sure something else, that during all the interrogations he behaved

extremely. stoiko also advised his cellmate to restrain himself extremely. persistently and apparently. he accepted these events. as uh, so to speak, in no way the norm, he perceived them as a deviation from the norm and until the last hoped that justice would be uh, restored there is a letter after a 30-month term of imprisonment, the consequences were released and a full series of rehabilitated went free, asking himself insoluble questions. who and for what purpose needed everything that was done in the thirty-seventh year, because the blow was inflicted, on the most trained cadre of the leadership of the red army, with their deeds and blood , who proved their boundless devotion to the party and discord, the consequences of the done black work already affected finnish. by the time of the impending events, the red army turned out to be empty, the party’s many years of work on the education and training of military personnel was reduced to zero by one devotion and courage to wage war in

modern conditions. it turned out not enough. i'd rather ask the question all the time. but how? well, how could you get castrated? it's just that all this top of the most talented , the most devoted, the smartest, the most talented, the most further, i will not agree with you, because if the most talented were shot, then we would not win the war. here it is still necessary to say so, but still it is necessary to somehow be more balanced. i feel like judging this. ah, well deserved. no. this is a very difficult historical question it's not that the deserved is undeserved the fact is that a well let's just say that the bench was and it is impossible to judge how the commanders of the civil war would have behaved in the conditions of the second world war. that's because real stars, uh, well, maybe not very applicable to our marshalling. well, a real hero. yes , just to them and apply - yes, yes zhukov

rokossovsky konev, their star rose precisely during the great patriotic war. uh, they showed themselves precisely during the great, they were not, uh, the leaders of the red army before it began , they already became in the course. e world war ii or pre-war conflicts such as khalkhin gol, showed their incredible military talents and, indeed , justice triumphed saying that stalin himself asked for his forgiveness, and he is the only one, in my opinion, of all who came out of complete rehabilitation. this was not entirely true for others, but for soviet military leaders who were released after their arrest. well , for example, another route, yes, kirill afanasyevich medvedevkov. true, he was arrested at the beginning of the war already, but, nevertheless. uh, i also drank a lot of grief, too was subjected to torture. and yet. he was released, and as we know, he became a march of the soviet union and went through a glorious battle path during the great patriotic war. but

nevertheless, what characterized rokossovsky undoubtedly were beatings , his teeth were undoubtedly knocked out, broken ribs, nevertheless, he was when he was released. this in no way affected his relationship to the motherland , and there were no thoughts about how to take revenge by changing, and there was already the threshold of war. yes, the vice of war, then the war began, and rokossovsky gets appointed to high positions. he commands, then the commander of the front. he didn’t have any thoughts about running across to the enemy. and here is an absolutely fantastic personality. here i have a letter. to voroshilov, comrade people 's commissar of defense, i take the liberty of turning to you again with a request. a manifestation of injustice , since i don’t feel anything discrediting me. all my service in the red army passed in front of the pines of commanders and thousands of red army soldiers. what could be harder?

than the consciousness that i have conquered my with their blood, the honorable right to be a citizen of the true fatherland of the workers of the ussr more than once, who sacrificed their lives for soviet power and are ready at any moment to give this life for the fatherland in this fatherland is attributed. to the number of persons who do not inspire confidence. i did not discredit myself in any way, and therefore a second time. i ask you to treat me as a living person to return me to the army and give me the opportunity to start my service. at first, at least as a squadron commander, kandiev, rokossovsky hair. just a letter, it's filled with pain and here there is no right to negative no accusations no complaints. there is simply nothing here. yes, because everything that is written here is true, but he joined the red army, and he was very brave, fought during the civil war imperfectly desperately and fought against the kolchak forces in siberia

, there is even one episode that he mentioned in his memoirs, when he apparently. indeed, it was so personally hacked to death a kolchak officer. he calls him the resurrection and the general. apparently. this is voznesensky and the colonel. he made a mistake, but it's not that important, right? and, that is, it was a desperate battle, when rokossovsky hacked him to death, and, accordingly, kolchak wounded him. e from a pistol. so, uh, this indicates that he really was a well-deserved red commander, and then, after a civil suit, he distinguished himself during the conflict on the quarterly railway. this is a podcast of letters, and we are talking today about the konstantin rokossovsky zhukov relationship. zhukov was at first under him. yes, they knew george before the war, where konstantinovich studied at the shooting courses, but there is a very funny episode that rokossovsky recalls in his memoirs that he doesn’t co-work, he constantly

liked to take a walk, e he writes let’s go to georgy konstantinovich, and he constantly crawls on his crankcase floor laid out. he constantly crawls there to study something, that is. e zhukov rokossovsky's memoirs looks like a more concentrated young man. here, they are both cavalrymen, both veterans of the first world war, then there was something to remember so to speak, but uh friends. well, how to say e yes, perhaps, we can say that until old age they were not friends , eh, and, of course, their relationship complicated. uh , the fact that initially zhukov was subordinate to rokossovsky and then rokossovsky ended up in prison for burns at that time was making a rapid career. there, starting with kolchingol. this is actually a fine hour, then the sounds are already the chief of the general staff. uh, and then on the representative of the headquarters of the commander of the fronts and so on, and the aerospace officer had to, as it were, catch up? and, of course, the crown is such a correspondence the confrontation between them is the end of the war,

when zhukov is appointed to the first belarusian front instead of rokossovsky, and it turns out that it is zhukov who takes berlin here. uh, probably, konstantin konstantinovich was hurt, because uh, well, the fate of the war was already being decided and the rokossovka had no doubt that if he remained commander of the first belorussian front, then he would have entered berlin , as it were, but uh great history. it's not that important. i think that they are both marshals of victory and the team is symbolic of the victory parade rokossovki already accepted. well, as for maturity, of course, when they were already elderly people, uh, all these were contradictions, they were leveled, and they related to each other. i think how the old comrades, who already have absolutely nothing to share kosovo, writes in a journal that zhukov well did not quite accurately tell, on kurskaya a, in his memoirs, zhukov widely describes the work allegedly carried out by him, but at our front during the preparatory period he is forced

inform with full responsibility that what zhukov stated in this article is not corresponds to reality and far-fetched zhukov first arrived to us on the eve of the battle , he stayed with us until 11:00 on july 5 and departed, allegedly to the western front. being at our headquarters on the night before the start of the enemy offensive , zhukov refused and even sanctioned my proposal to start artillery counter-training in the preparatory period, and the period of bugs for the operation. i have never been to the central front, and i turn to you because comrades , participants in the battle of kursk, turn to me with a question. why does zhukov distort the truth in his memories ascribes to himself what was not, to whom to whom, and he should not have allowed this. neighing konstantin konstantinovich rokossovsky marshal of the soviet union well, such things happened . memories are a special genre. first,

uh, any memoirist tries, well , concentrated in himself and tries. yes, it's natural to show yourself first. secondly, there are aberrations and memories already, because memories are being written. there through many years through decades. eh, everything. this is understandable. well, i repeat once again that it seems to me that a big story, it does not veil. these are the minimal inconsistencies. yes, but there are many, in general, everything that is connected with history. well, of course , i would like all the e soviet marshals to be great friends, and hmm treated each other with exceptional respect and so on. that's still in mind, yes, to one woman for life. well, how did they take their example? by the way, what about your personal life? well, what is attributed. well, as it were, well, such a well-known, as if a fact, although they say that it was an absolute fantasy. valentina serov that she had a relationship with the marshal

rokossovsky is really a fantasy, apparently, because front-line love who didn’t have them then, and even a girl was born , in my opinion, yes during the war, yes, his wife was born, he had a wife with whom, if memory serves, they we got married in 1925, met during the civil war, and yulia barmina, and, uh, the marriage took place, and the daughter ariadna was born in this marriage it is interesting that u first, actually, the only wife. she came from a cubic family and knew about this connection. this was not the reason for a divorce. that is, i wanted to say. to begin with, yulia's relatives were against this marriage, because rokossovsky was a red commander, and they were merchants, and for them it was the bolsheviks. it's some kind of horror

that mark vot but nevertheless, this marriage took place. and now look for 20 years by the beginning of the war almost 20 years. uh, they lived yes 15 together. and uh, then er rokossovki, even lost his wife for a while, and i went to be cheated, because they were evacuated by the french, respectively, was at the front. they were evacuated. they ended up in novosibirsk says he wrote more than 100 letters to his wife and daughter. yes, we have a letter, my dear or people did not want to disturb you and kept silent about your illness is. it is that i also turned out to be vulnerable. on march 8, the germans stuffed me with lead, it was very hard, but now my health has changed dramatically, but the amendment in a word, i am alive in a smoking room and will live at the fear of enemies. i beg you, dear, love, do not worry about being wounded in the chest area . something. broken, well, fortunately my body turned out to be iron. soon i will start walking. and check out after a while, goodbye, my dear.

don’t worry in war, it happens and it’s worse, it’s just happy an accident that it turned out so well, it turns out to be my physical, and a trained body, you can imagine death, that’s how he had all these letters, he supported everyone , his comrades and his wife and daughter without panic, without everything . yes, and the fact that he then began to have problems with the lungs. he says, of course, smoke there three packs a day. so it's all cigarettes. they were wounded in the lungs in fact, it's because the lung was affected and the spine was damaged. and the liver and there, well, in general, the question was whether a person would be legally capable. throat man, that's right here for me, he's a model. this is a podcast of letters, and today we are talking about konstantin rokossovsky. yes? by the way, returning to the question of torture, because under torture he did not confess and did not slander anyone. this is also an amazingly very hardy person.

he never talked about torture and did not keep angry and did not live by it at all, because it’s not something that does not break. well, generally normal. reaction is revenge. well, that's okay, but he's not, and he was somehow above that. yes, it was and was not what was and was, he believed that it was an excess. he believed that it was the result of hostile influences. i suspected, moreover, he had a conversation with steel to us repeatedly. they had conversations aged, of course. and rokossovsky had the opportunity during stalin's war to study and evaluate him well as a military leader, as the supreme commander in chief and rokossovsky without a doubt. uh, supreme commander in steel did not recognize. yes, this story with roses, i don’t know whether it’s a legend or not , when stalin said that i’m in the crimea and now there’s no order that you deserve, but i know

that he gave him a bouquet of roses and he was all bloody, because all thorns gave him a bouquet of roses. well i think it's legen. yes, but the truth is that konstantin konstantinovich was worthy, konstantin konstantinovich really stood out from among other generals by stalin. here is the visible embodiment. eh, it didn't apply. eh yeah. e after surgery bagration e, when the army group was actually defeated, the center was liberated, belarus, and it was primarily the merit of rokossovsky, stalin began to emphasize his respect for rokossovsky by calling him by name, patronymic konstantin konstantinovich that is, if it were just so for him atypically, he addressed him to you and about it. here historians, as they say and emphasize , rokossovsky revered stalin very much and newsreel footage has been preserved in which rokossovka cries over stalin's rude yes, when

steel well died. that's real. e, rokossovsky cried, for him it was a personal loss, and it seems to me that this is precisely because he appreciated it. and stalin, as the supreme commander-in -chief, because ah, stalin, communicating with rokossovsky. eh, he knew how, well, not only with rokossovsky and zhukov - this emphasized that the style of work of the rate as a whole was businesslike without nervousness. it was stalin who set the tone . stalin did not shout, did not panic very rarely, there are such cases very rarely lost. we are possession, as a rule. e, talked with purely business tone spoke and asked about how we can help. how to support what needs to be done i listened to the opinion of my commanders, and especially in the second half of the war. e, made their decisions, understood the decision of the commanders of the army and the franks, and e for rokossovsky. this was very important, because he himself was like that by nature. here konstantinovich there was a slightly different person

in temperament, more such an explosive aggressive manner, management, which could inspire nervousness. and by the way, this was the cause of conflicts. between rokossovsky and zhukov, when aerokossovsky was subordinate to him? but ah, and rokossovsky himself is not at all with his subordinates. he was the same as put zhukov knew his own worth and he wanted everyone around him to support this price, as it were, hmm, and the rokossovskys were simply a brilliant marshal, a fantastic person. he didn't care. but this and reverence for the zhukov was important and he was afraid of the old. yes , this competition, because it was important for the zhukovs. this is the recognition and love of the people, and the rokossovki, just doing their job, served fatherland well, you know, i would n’t judge like that anyway, it seems to me that there is a difference in temperament. yes, because stalin

i don’t think that he was afraid of competition ass, because zhukov was a military man, but zhukov could never become political; he had such a love of the people after the war, of course, he was afraid. well, yes, such as thick. rokossovsky's contemporaries admired the amazing restraint of his boss. according to the memoirs, even in immensely difficult situations, rokossovsky did not raise his voice and, as usual, turned to the nava's subordinates. how modest he was and remained so, although he became a famous person in the country and in the world as a hero he does not have grandeur, and this is very expensive and important, unfortunately, some e -nominees have manners, if you go to the city, then you can’t approach him , only and you hear me , but they forget about us, definitely, definitely. he was a very humble person. and that's what 's so attractive about it. it would seem yes, here it would seem from surprisingly. it’s just that my

hero in general is, uh, you know, life and great people. in my mind, it's so incompatible. so i think the greatest man marshal yes konstantin rokossovsky it seems to me that he should not have eaten or gone to the bathhouse. i don’t know, well, not being base should not concern anything at all, because he is actually great and his fate is, uh, extraordinary. we also have memoirs of a grandson. he was loved by everyone, and members of the politburo and marshals , datants, drivers and rangers, for our family. it was the center that attracted relatives and friends of my parents. he had an extraordinary smile when something went wrong. managed, he could turn to me and say with such a childish, rather discouraging shy smile. well, you see, you see, he mixed up, and many years later, grandfather watched

newsreels filmed during the battle near moscow, on which he was stern. against the backdrop of formidable battle scenery, he was talking about the advance of our troops, he suddenly raises his head and i see this shy smile. well, the devil was saying something here, and only now i understand how difficult it was after the long life of the barracks, the soldiers, the arrests brought this smile. despite the honors and glory, he remained until his death, a man, shy and modest, when the whole family watched parades on tv, we hardly found the grandfather of the deputy minister of defense somewhere on the very edge, and often in the second row of the podium for the military. sometimes i heard him say to his grandmother, who asked him for something, but lily is uncomfortable. great fantastic person such a fantastic personality that you are born once thousands of years fantastic modest. that's why i understand the gray artist,

of course, to create this legend. this rumor let yes, that she had a relationship with the rosokosovskys, such as when he was lying, but in the hospital. and yes, she came there. well, as it were, well, it's hard for me to imagine too. after all, we had some kind of connection. but, it seems to me, it seems to me, there was sympathy on her part , perhaps falling in love, but on the part of konstantin konstantinovich, she wasn’t there either. we know for certain that we know nothing to the contrary. and it's just incredible. we somehow very often forget that, in general , the main occupation of rokossovsky during the great patriotic war was, no matter how strange, war, here, and war, it tends to take a lot of time, therefore, you understand against the backdrop of these terrible battles. well, he had a girlfriend, yes, about whom we talked, she fought. yes yes absolutely right. she fought, yes. yes.

i think it was very e even with galina talanova. these were very rare meetings, and with which all this horror, er, that surrounded them was quenched. it was said that the war writes everything. well, my master told petrov so. yes, the war writes everything. this is a podcast of letters and we're talking today about konstantin rokossovsky. tell me what impresses you the most, but in the figure of konstantin rokossovsky, i see the figure of konstantin konstantinovich rokossovsky, here he is, as if so even, like a string, like a straight line. here he once made his choice and never retreated from it, no matter how difficult it was for him. yes, this choice, made in the seventeenth year, and he carried it through his whole life, it is absolutely clear that he is not a hypocrite, that he is not a careerist. eh, well, in a negative way. yes, it is clear that he is tall

in the service that he was not elizabeth, that is, they did not fit. yes, and he is absolutely not a convinced person, and he is for the sake of this idea. uh , well, i’m ready for anything, but there wouldn’t be a zashurenny there, no, no, no, no, the person didn’t enter at all. here is and nothing his not su. bend yes no war no repression. there can’t even be some subsequent chilling of ostrokimism, which was subjected to in poland , we often forget that konstantin konstantinovich rokosovsky is the only, uh, military leader of the soviet union who was simultaneously a marshal of two countries, not only the soviet union, but, but also poland after the war , he became the minister of defense of the polish people's republic, was sent there to create the polish armed forces. and konstantin konstantinovich himself. uh, positioned speaking of modern language,

like a pole? yes, he never forgot about his uh, polish roots, that he hid it no. no. eh, there was nothing wrong with that. that is, it could create some problems. there is a very short period. uh, the so-called national operations of the thirty-seventh year, but he was arrested in no way polish spy. namely, as if she was sure that he rewrote the biography, changed and patronymic e and renounced so to speak. no, he always emphasized that he was, by the way, not the only pole. it could be pointed out from this felix imundovich to say, he in poland becomes the minister of defense in poland and but in poland it is clear that of all. uh, so to speak, the republics of the socialist camp have always been the most opposing and the most complex, as it were, problematic opposition and so on. so konstantin konstantinovich was. it's very difficult there.

and because, well, so to speak, even the polish socialist communist elites, they still strived for their maximum independence, and many looked at rokossovsky as a stranger, as a person who is, therefore, a cog in the stalinist machine, whom stalin i put it there in order to manage more through it, yes. it is clear that rokossovsky himself was a protege of steel, so it was impossible not to represent stalin as a protege; he presented himself as an ambassador in some kind of ambassador of socialism, a creator of a new socialist system, not quite so no. no, i think they are different things. it was he who did not imagine that he was serving, but to some kind of staff to some particular person. he thought in such a way that he has the opportunity. this is also not specifically right for stalin, but for e, who

was believed, for whom the war was already over. here we are talking about what poland is for the motherland and he wanted to create the polish armed forces in poland after the military, the new polish armed forces thus contributes to the creation in poland socialist system of socialism. that's it to say, here and for him for him. it was very important. well, in a sense, it worked. and in a way, it didn't work. we understand how it all ended with such a women's issue. so he formed an army, but he formed more, yes? he was minister of defense, poland of the polish republic and marshal. poland was appointed to polish troops, therefore, not appointed, well, naturally, he was appointed, uh, absolutely, and not because, but he was formally appointed, of course, slava bieruta was the polish leadership for the conversion, but uh, naturally, all this happened from the department. it is clear that nothing would

have happened without this, but it is important here that i want to emphasize, like rokossovsky himself. this thought he did not deny. he was a soviet citizen , a soviet hero, all the schoolchildren, all the children knew, all the adults knew it clearly. yes, the commander of the victory parade, but he didn’t renounce any more, and he wanted to serve two of his clans, so to speak, and how did this service end, when and how long did he serve there? he didn't have to go back there for long. all it was very difficult. so, he has already encountered this opposition with this, uh, antagonism and ostrogothism , so to speak, and he understood that, uh, he probably understood, it seems to me that after all, he is more of a soviet already a soviet person, than polish, he also remained a soviet man in poland. he certainly certainly, yes, and this is his sincere such conviction in him there was

something already, when he was a very mature man and marshal of victory, he had something from the enthusiastic boys from that a guy who read the novels of cooper and mary and played indians with sincerity and absolute faith e that what he does is the only right thing, that's why he was so perfect. and yes, honest decent. you are all this, so he is so. therefore, you are. naturally, he remained. with this, uh, romantic boy who, well, that's all the dirt and blood he's had to. she didn't change it. this is an amazing example, and maybe, if it were not for this, this inner core and now this enthusiasm, we would not have known the great commander rokossovsky because there were more such people, though this cannot be taught. no, well, do not teach this such an enemy. it seems to me that these things are interconnected, as if a positive perception of life, it contributes to the development of a genius. thank you very much. thanks a lot. this is

a podcast of letters, uh, the historian yegor yakovlev was my guest and we talked about konstantin rokossovsky. lord