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and today we have a premiere, our program is being released in a new analytical format, in which it will be released. on thursdays, we start today with a conversation with the russian ambassador to the united states, anatoly antonov, gentleman went for you. good evening. thanks a lot. i want to immediately ask you a question about a new potential irritant in russian-american relations, as if we did not have enough those who already exist, and yesterday in moscow, deputy foreign minister sergey ryabkov, spoke about the problem with visas, and for

the delegation headed by the foreign ministers, and sergey lavrov, who is supposed to come to new york for the security council, he is there the minister must preside this is happening a long time ago already through literally. uh, 10 days and those visas are still out. let's listen to what mr. ryabkov said. the united states has not yet issued visas to russian foreign minister sergei lavrov and the russian delegation to participate in the security council the united nations and therefore the press secretary of the president dmitry peskov also spoke about the issue . the american side has obligations, like countries that host the un headquarters , and america must fulfill these obligations. it would seem, uh, explanations, you will say. and it really is, like an obligation, not

some kind of rules, not some kind of understanding of an obligation. what is happening with this issue and with visas from the approval of the ministers' plane itinerary. and dmitry, as soon as we received information from moscow and the arrival of sergey viktorovich lavrov, his plane and our delegation. we immediately contacted the state department to obtain the relevant permits. however, i will tell you clearly and clearly that at the moment i do not see any permissions for sergei viktorovich, not for his accompanying persons. we have not faced serious difficulties with the entry of russian journalists. we are working trying to achieve putting this result. however, for now. as they say his son and there i would like to emphasize we do not beg the americans. we demand that they enforce

its obligations as a country in whose territory the administration of the obligation is located with the world organization. to issue all the necessary documents, both for the arrival of the special flight, and for the delegation of our kind. anatoly ivanovich when do you make these demands? i think you are given some arguments from the state department. why is this happening when will it be resolved? if there are any problems, what do you hear? dmitry has long been no arguments. they don’t give us any question, they mostly keep silent, but they give us a negative answer. in this case, we were told literally. yesterday. we contacted the state departments. and we were told that

the issue is at the stage of coordination of interdepartmental coordination, when they say they are received, we will put the informed invoice on the relevant decisions. that is, you were not told that there were any difficulties, they simply tell you that they are being coordinated between various departments. and you were told how long they can coordinate it. you know, they don’t tell us anything, i repeat the answer is only one everything is under negotiation. we are very concerned about the situation with visas. because all the experience of our work here shows that the americans drag this issue out until the last moment. and then, unfortunately, they issue visas, they gave horses to everyone, and to the members of the e-team. uh, minister, we are faced with such a situation, and we face such a situation every year. i'm probably

to blame for not mentioning at the beginning that the minister is going, let's say, not on a tourist trip. and not even just uh, take part in some interesting meeting. he should preside over the security council un and, in general, deny the chairman of the council the opportunity to fulfill his duties. it should be pretty. a serious and very hostile decision, isn't it? uh, dimitri uh, well, not not long ago for many years now. we do not see any friendliness on the part of the american side. therefore, the logic and arguments. uh, here most often now and does not work. we were unequivocally warned in the state department. she is of a very high level, that here sergey viktorovich is waiting for a very cold reception. let's see how this will be expressed in the course of direct

events. how will this be expressed? and for us today, the most important thing is to achieve results and we will continue to work there. thank you more. uh, fundamentally what 's going on, if you like, with the dialogue in russian-american relations. what? i personally don't see it. this is for the biden administration to take russian concerns seriously on almost all issues, when these concerns, uh, it seems , have been brought to the attention of the american country, as it were, everything seems to be said in many different formats, but on the other hand, but some feeling. e that the russian side is not heard. and what worries me, especially whether ivanovich is not that they do not agree with the russian zabochnye, but do not agree do not agree. and then you can work to argue

to convince, but i have a feeling. and that they take a position in advance that well, let the russians talk, let them talk, but we still, uh, let's go our own way, give a simple example every time washington officials say special operations they will not just say russian aggression will affect them not cool enough. they say unprovoked russian aggression. how many times has russia warned about how unacceptable for russia, e, the expansion of nato , and especially at the same time . here you have the feeling that the american country understands how serious the situation is in russian american relations and why

. such a lack of attention to the russian position can lead to dmitry . i have a feeling that when we talk about russian-american relations. we have to imagine ruins of ashes and smoke americans did everything to undermine the basis of our ties, destroy russian-american relations, then accused us of interfering in the elections, then hacking attacks, then conquering international markets, then using, and energy resources as a weapon not worth mentioning. uh, the area of ​​human rights freedom of religion. here, a priori, we were always wrong , even uh, here, at least by the multilateral agreement in the field that i respect and love strategic stability , arms control, recent years have been years of destruction. you mentioned how many times we

have spoken to the americans about how they are going the wrong way. on the way to the destruction of strategic stability, but to this we must, of course, add the situation with the treaties on the open skies inf treaty. uh, so far the americans have not ratified, uh, the comprehensive nuclear- test-ban treaty. although all of us have been repeatedly called upon to do this, and russia has done it. and if before somehow half-sheath half-tones were said in half-hints, and that they did not like russia as it was and is, then after the special start of a special military operation, the masks were all dropped and openly said. we want to solve those issues those problems that could not be resolved in 1991, when the tragic event happened. for us for all, but

the soviet union disappeared from the political map and today the task is the same. to achieve the strategic defeat of russia, i want to emphasize dmitry contacts at the highest level no since 2021, the ministers are limited to exchanging remarks on feet, you know about it from the russian government, no one comes here, just as there are no guests in moscow, but from washington, and the americans themselves stopped interaction on all aspects of climate inform the security of the arctic not on the spread of amula, but on the fight against terrorism. that is, you understand , they call those problems from joint activities, not only simple americans or russians would benefit from them, but the whole world would also win, the conversation would stop with regional problems. we don't talk

across afghanistan and the wound. when the dr no matter how strong the country is, in this case, i 'm talking about the united states of america , it is impossible to resolve all problems with the help of the potential of this state. you teach me. ask now. and what is left in russian-american relations, i will answer this cooperation in the field of space , alas, the situation with the strategic offensive arms reduction treaty is half-alive, we still have contacts along the line of deconflicting, and in syria , well, the exchange of prisoners. i would take our brackets started talking, because the presidents instructed to deal with this problem, but exclusively by our special body. contacts on washington properties are sporadic, we do not accept departments, citing directions. the state department

refuse to discuss with us global issues, and there is no consultation on irritants. our notes, our appeals are sometimes considered in the state departments for years. dmitry, i did not make a reservation naming, and the term is years , by the way, even former officials who come to visit, for example. and to us for they do not hide the conversation on general problems and say that before coming to us. they should get sanctions from the state department. or maybe from, uh, other departments, the americans continue to hand over the image of the enemy from russia. this means that the russian representatives are some kind of demons, and it is better to refrain from communicating with them in the information space. america is crammed with anti-russian reports, full of false information, not a single positive word , our attempts to break through on the e page and

electronics of local media, for the most part end with a refusal, for example, for a long time the embassies have been unable to get the publication of an article reporting answers to questions outlining the russian position on biosecurity. i offered to bet to talk, but with official officials. on this account, he turned to the largest media and expressed his willingness to listen to counter-arguments. in response, he received only a rude refusal or silence, this topic, which reveals the illegal activities of us a in the cis space in the world. in general, she is not interested here, so it is obvious to us that

the americans will continue military biological activities. and first of all, what worries us and we openly say this to the americans in the territory of the former soviet union will be offered handouts in the form of grants , subsidies, and gifts, if only for one to gain a foothold on the territory of the newly independent states, i have to admit that the danger of such subversive activities by the united states is far from being understood by everyone in this regard. i would like to draw attention to the gigantic work done by the commission of the russian parliament to investigate the circumstances related to the creation by american specialists of biological laboratories in ukraine is a very serious topic. i was able to look at this report. it's over two hundred pages. and he stressed that this only applies so far only to the activities of the americans on the territory of ukraine

, but in reality this activity is much broader . and why do you operate in the cis countries why do you prefer to concentrate, namely, in this territory we do not receive an answer, we do not we get a response from the americans. and why pentacles is engaged in, you know, in quotation marks, improving healthcare, and there is also no answer, and i want dmitry you are like, uh, better than me, you have lived in america for many years the point of view of the embassy is the point of view of the russian federation a. where is the first amendment of the constitution giving the right to freedom of speech. why are we denied? and the possibilities are simply to explain the position and very sad today that everything is forgotten.

you know, dmitry, we are with you on the eve of the great celebrations of the great victory. but even this holy act of two states is forgotten here today. the united states lost about half a million and no one remembers that we, the soviet union, lost more than 27 million. i am obliged to say this on april 25. we will celebrate the day of remembrance of the meeting of soviet and american soldiers on the elbe, then did you get permission to invest in a movie or someone in a cemetery? so i'm just talking about this, we turned to the americans. in past year. we were refused this year, we were refused, also we cannot lay wreaths to the kobelist in memory of, uh, soviet and american american, and soldier dmitry is a blatant case of our diplomat. we went to

alaska and wanted to lay wreaths on the graves of soviet american and canadian soldiers, and the soldiers at the cemetery of forte richards, and we were again refused and that's all. this was explained about what we are waging, but this very, uh, war, some kind of definition was used there. i, uh, i don’t remember, everything, they say, is unprovoked. so it's very important to guess to add something provoked. i wanted to ask you a question while we still have time. e your recent visit to the city department, as i understand it, they found time here and it is possible to invite you and victoria spoke with you. well, you told us something about this conversation. yes, of course, uh, strictly speaking, we were not going to make it public. uh, this is the content of this

conversation, however, the americans alas, alas, and alas, as always, have leaked the conversation. e, passed e in a very tough impartial, but the plan was trying all the time. madame interrupt me prevent the secretary of state from expounding the russian position. you mentioned this last name. i think that it is quite enough for me not to use it not all in russian audiences. e know about this celebrity. yes, so, that was charged with the illegal detention of a journalist. i explained the situation. uh, tried to calm my emotions. and very important from dmitry e. i stopped going to the state department to listen to only one lecture, there were cases when i was invited to the state department, expressed or

did something. dimash spoke after that. you know, sir, we have more time for you. no, i said that if uh, so you would build a relationship. e with us, then i will not go to the state department, because i can listen to this on the phone. ah, maybe russian diplomats can get some kind of unofficial document. i'll tell her because i have the same equal rights. what do my colleagues in the state department insist on not being given time and creating conditions for presenting russian approaches to this or that. problems we can't work only on american e, maps and american, but offers. we have our own national interests being, which i try to convey to the americans as a result. eh, in answering your questions , no practical e, exhaustion happened, and the americans threatened us, e, with retaliatory measures, if we

do not release hercegovich in the near future, but let's see how they will act. we feel a growing pressure around the embassy around bilateral institutions. we see u how u are not kind to journalists, who are going to accompany sergei viktorovich lavrov uh, washington let's see, but uh, today yesterday, or rather, i caught myself thinking that i am an american journalist in moscow, there are much more than ours. the americans have a very good word for reciprocity that they insist uh on the actions of the russian bilateral organizations, maybe it's time for us to show reciprocity and uh, reduce the number of american journalists who work uh in moscow in russia as a whole to the amount which operates in washington dc and new york.

i assure you that, and the differences in number are several dozen times. you know, i had a very interesting conversation about you a few months ago, when i was in washington and you remember, then there were some, but timid hints of the possibility of dialogue, but and. i asked. ah, why don't you have a direct conversation with ambassador antonov, especially given his very extensive experience in the field of public security. uh, your work as deputy minister not only for foreign affairs, but also the deputy minister of defense and i was given a completely brilliant answer, which i think will not surprise you. i was told that this is the problem. if you talk to him, you need to talk to him seriously, if we start talking to him, seriously, they in moscow will think that we are ready to return to business

from yuzhny to normal work. and this is the last impression that we want to make until the crisis in ukraine is resolved. here is such an interesting situation dmitry, by the way, the americans always tell me that russians insist on reopening business or business as usual. i want and it's open now. i will say. she i need such a business as usual. we do not want what was before and i will never forget all the conversations of westerners who taught me the basics of democracy, constructivism and so on. we have our own national interests. and we want our national interests to be taken into account. we spent. i consider it a huge flexibility when, on the instructions of vladimir vladimirovich putin, we proposed two draft agreements with the americans and with nato all that we wanted we wanted the right

to live a peaceful life to develop our country to improve the welfare of the people, but we wanted normal security guarantees, what is here? unusual, don't the americans think, but guarantees of security for their state, but we were simply denied the blood to live in peace, just live and create e and receive economic dividends to work in the international arena. no. the nato machine will be near the borders of russia, we will not go anywhere, but we will increase dmitry on your transfers. it's not every day that i try to listen at least a little, when you speak, well , this is a disgrace, what is happening today in poland in poland is being created. uh, just a foothold. such a feeling in order to use it. uh, if when

needed in the fight against the russian federation and it is already being used, and today even this despite the fact that the americans and nato, while they say that the fundamental act, russia, nato 1997, it is valid and they it seems that they are not going to violate it, but this is again a lie. the last question of anatoly ivanovich in washington is said, the president's personal says secretary of state linkin assistant for national security. they all say with one voice that the united states does not want a third world war, so there will be no third world war. and if moscow is trying to create the opposite impression, then this is actually entente and empty intimidation, and especially, accordingly, american citizens have nothing to worry about, how you would

react to such a position. and dmitry first, it's unfortunate that we are talking about very serious issues through the media. i once said two ministers are meeting. only along the way they hold some meetings for ten minutes on their feet. we do not have a serious conversation between the leading nuclear powers and the permanent members of the security council. you remember very well the times of the cuban missile crisis, such a difficult time, we had a serious conversation not with accusations of each other, but with an attempt to find some kind of solutions. i may be the first to say this your point of view today. i believe that the war between us has been going on for a long time. russia’s war with the western world and our country is defending not only itself, but precisely our primordial

spiritual values, as patriarch kirill recently spoke about this, but also most or most of the world, a country that washington’s germany’s confrontation alone cannot be at stake today is multipolar peace or order based on the rules of the americans. dmitry, you say whether they understand or they don’t understand, they perfectly understand what it is , perfectly aware of the price the price of this rates. that is why they are investing every means of every means money weapons, but in order to protect their own rule-based order. we did not hide our position. i talked about what we did in order not to miss, but so serious developments in the western part of the ex-soviet space. i

think it is very important that in 1.000 in 2021 vladimir vladimirovich putin and joe biden at a meeting in geneva, they confirmed the formula that there can be no winners in a nuclear war and it should never happen, and it is extremely important that china, france, great britain, then joined this formula, they can object to me and maybe you will do it, that a lot of time has passed since that time, and even today the media from officials repeatedly say about how, as it were, russia is rattling nuclear weapons, allegedly threatening, uh, the united state of america and the nato state. i want to tell you that she repeatedly has historical experience on her fingers with the help of words about the leadership of the country and vladimir vladimirovich putin sergei viktorovich lavrov

sergei is shoigu has repeatedly said that the russians do not need a war, and even the cores of armicedonia are out of the question. yes, you have to provoke. yes, they want to create an existential attack on us, but a threat to the interests of the russian federation nonetheless. we are constantly sending e to the information space. through e. our today 's program is with you, and in other programs, and our clarity is the desire for everything we want, we will protect the national interests of russia , as we did before, and refuse we don't want this. for me , the performances were a very unpleasant surprise. before these politicians. this is heavenly gates e backed. and the generals, uh, who say that it is very important to continue the war, uh, with russia, but they used only weapons, and economic

strength and not sending american uh, soldiers, but you can, as it is often very much said, including on your program , while there is, uh, ukrainians with their help solve problems of exhausting russia oh, and the last one, perhaps, dmitry understands that time is completely no, and now more and more information is appearing in the american media that but it will not be, the situation when we will be attacked, that the armed forces of ukraine , which received replenishment from washington from brussels, they will break the russian front, will again enter the sea of ​​\u200b\u200bazov and isolate. uh, crimea, i am firmly convinced that the nazis will not succeed. we have no doubt about the ability of the russian army to defeat the enemy, push him back and free the primordially

russian territory, and we are trying all the time to convey this thesis to our american, and the interlocutors say that, well, that's enough, enough to fuel this rotten regime with weapons and money, in fact. after all, the zelensky regime hangs around the neck of the american people, not even in the administration , and they pay for all this. uh, a simple american hard worker who thinks about how much a gallon of gasoline costs today. bread, butter, milk, yes, they are the same people, just like we are huge. thank you sir go. thank you for this warms up conversation for taking the time and thank you most importantly for what you are doing is in the name of russian american relations and keeping the peace in these very difficult days. take care of yourself. and we are now leaving for advertising and will be back, literally already in a few minutes.

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common home. this is what the long-term partnership means, which has become the present time of the dynamo society, everything is just beginning and will definitely work out. there is a big game on the air and now we will have a conversation with alexander dugin, philosopher, historian, political scientist , a man of great personal courage and a man who, in general, turned out to be a prophet. in his own country, predicting for a number of years those very, unpleasant disturbing things that i didn’t really want to hear, but which unfortunately are happening today alexander is very happy to see you on the program. hello but before we

talk about big topics. i wanted to know your opinion about what is happening with the latest terrorist attack in st. petersburg. let's look at the latest fsb statement on this matter. during the events, it was established that the murder of fomin , together with trepova, was prepared by a member of the ukrainian sabotage and terrorist group, citizen of ukraine denisov yuriy, born in 1987, who, through an express delivery service through an intermediary, transferred an explosive device in the city of moscow, camouflaged under the plaster busts of encor denisov on the instructions of the ukrainian special services, in february 2023, he arrived from kiev through the territory of latvia to the capital region, where i gathered a vision about the lifestyle and places fomin’s visits and more, as regards the possible responsibility for the terrorist attack of people associated with navalny, the organizers of the terrorist attacks were the special services of ukraine and their agents,

including those hiding abroad after the start of a special military operation, the leaders of the anti-corruption fund, volkov and zhdanov, leaders of the extremist organization of the russian opposition, repeatedly stated the need to introduce subversive activities in russia in order to change the russian constitutional order. federation by any available means, as a result of april 2 of this year, a supporter of navalny's ideology earlier, registered in one of the key projects of the fbk, a smart vote by a citizen of the russian federation, daria's chattering 1997 birth, a terrorist act was committed in the city of st. petersburg. alexander, of course, what happened to vladlen tatarsky is a huge tragedy, and you said earlier at the big game that you knew him, that you appreciated him, and that you considered him a real person, but now we are starting to learn very disturbing things, which is perhaps even

impossible, but the probability from the point of view. it was not the fsb. uh, an act of some kind, uh, entangled in the life of a loner. and that it wasn’t even some kind of act, for example, ordered, and by someone in ukraine, what, it was the decision of a number of special services of the official ukrainian special services with some kind of involvement in some kind of union, and the anti-corruption fund is one of the main organizations of the radical ones. positioners, so that on this occasion, first of all, you know how seriously you see this situation; indeed , there was some kind of serious conspiracy behind the terrorist attack. i am convinced that there is another side of the western intelligence service here, because the ukrainian intelligence services do nothing without agreement. or

even at the direct direction of their overseas e, or european curators, and here uh, in my opinion converge. eh, all the main elements are put together, then the grandiose fundamental war that the west unleashed against russia in the first place, if you take the e fund, navalny’s structure is the fifth column, created long ago in our country, ideologically based on liberalism. ah, precisely liberalism, they are ukrainian nazism. here he played a major role, because it was thanks to the spread of liberal ideas that the minds of these young people, who were oriented against putin, were corrupted. against the sovereignty of russia against dependence against our independence against the traditional values ​​with which we defend it was a systemic long-term preparation within

russia of the fifth column further, this is the fifth column, which absorbed, in fact, a terrorist version of the liberal ideology terrorist liberalism extremist. they have passed their political tests. they have their own, uh, artificial leader, they have their own models. they have their drinks. in a this structure was activated as a support already those terrorist e systems that have developed in ukraine and their western curators are all. and by the way, please note that ukrainian nazism, which was certainly the main one, but the organizer and executor of this and this complex operation. this is an intermediate link between the two liberal blocs between the liberal and in the fund of navalny's extremist organization which it was the liberal ideology that defended and the liberal west, that is, nazism here

is ukrainian nazism, which certainly exists, no matter how they exist, not tried to deny western curators. he is only a transmission belt between one and liberals and others, and the goal is the russian patriot. yes, you say, people are one and the other liberal. here's how you present yourself. and who knows, let's say from the russian opposition this point of view about the fact that this very serious crime was being prepared. i think that of those inside russia, it is absolutely not necessary for a large number of people to be in the know, it is enough to create an environment for convenient easy handling. here are these e let's say liberal unique circles at some point they are prepared they will not bring the regime. they make it their mission to fight the patriots with the russians with

the regime with putin with the supporters of sovereignty and pick and choose performers quite easily because their bases are well-known curators. i think that by and large, all of them, all employees and participants in bulk protests, are potential executives for the next terrorist attacks or this terrorist attack. there the question is for someone technical, as at one time, probably, uh people's will in the 19th century. this is about the terrorist environment or this is a wrong comparison. i think that it seems to me more that this is closer to, for example , the islamic state banned in russia. in the beginning, people are given some kind of fundamentalist literature, where it says that only now islam should politically rule the whole world at once. no religions are states. everything must be destroyed people are reading this. not everyone. naturally becomes terrorists, but some formatting of social space is created, a further some of them are already in a special

way in effect. e certain circumstances of personal research, they are already included in terrorist activities, but the environment is being prepared earlier. and that's all that was connected with navalny , his structures banned in the russian federation. all this was prepared precisely for this purpose, that is, our society , our youth. our social networks, our state, our education, were mined by liberals. and this is a huge and indispensable element in order for this terrorist attack to become possible, this activity was carried out, not that that by fortune-telling i think at home that for decades it goes into the creation of such networks, then regional conflicts arise, as in the case of ukraine and then. uh, those who created these networks know what he did it for. they are simply carried out, that is, at the beginning a system is created, then through this e, instructions are given through the networks

and at the other end, well, there is a murder. at least until i know exactly how. it was organized, if we are talking about the russian position. i'll tell you what i know er, i know it didn't so much cause what i would consider normal indignation among the opposition that someone related to him would do such a thing. well, how, uh, the russian liberal intelligentsia at the beginning of the last century. they had very often radical ideas and a total stance towards tsarism, but when they faced terrorist attacks. they did not like it, and they gradually began to openly talk about it and dissociate themselves. you saw something similar today among the russian radical oppositionists. of course not, but even then we must give credit to that

epoch. after all, many liberals, who themselves did not share the idea of ​​black, remade narodnaya volya. and they also supported morally justified this terror. that is, uh, and this moral justification was very serious. including in liberal circles, which later became a victim in the same way as monarchists and conservatives and slavophiles , they became victims of this terrorist bullshit in russia at the beginning of the last century, and in our opposition. on the contrary, i see the complete unanimous support of the chattering nobody's voice no one will exalt, no one, i have not seen a single one, that's what surprisingly, but yes, in russia you are right, someone was indignant at this someone was. daren in this environment would be wounded among the russian oppositionists who escaped, but with these, everything is generally clear and no one who remained raised his voice in indignation that this is already too much. this is a real environment of devilry,

right? well, dostoevsky wrote about them. dostoevsky wrote about and about the brothers karamazov. uh, this classic russian liberals suicide story. dostoevsky wanted to bring to face. smertyukov of the russian liberal, this is also the demons of dostoevsky, this is really a system of people who live in hatred for their own people, for their own culture, for their own civilizational code, which they can only destroy, who can only ridicule, who can only not start and not overthrow this category of such an active nihilism in some cases. and now, as we now see, it is becoming the main ideological breeding ground for terrorism. we continue our conversation with the philosopher and thinker alexander dugin alexander i want to raise with you now the most difficult topic. that what russia is now facing is not only corrupting

influence from abroad. it's not just some corrupt oligarchs. this is not only a radical position. but as i thought and heard, you think that in some, well , i don’t know how to formulate it correctly, but in some stronger feelings towards the west than feelings towards your people, that, and this is also to blame a certain part of the elite, explain the fact that a-a modern elite, it arose, developed, in mainly in the nineties, when the norm of political correctness in russian society was the conviction that the west is a universal path of development, therefore the only direction in which the country should move and

, accordingly, where this elite should lead the people from the side. it was towards the west that we sought to join western organizations. we imitated western fashions, we copied western programs, western formats, western brands. we actually wanted to become the west, and we wanted to become the west in the nineties at any cost, that is, take us on any basis in gradually already even later yeltsin yeltsin forward. we thought, but after all, we will completely collapse, and when vladimir vladimirovich putin came, he said no, we will not collapse further, we will not be enough. with this trauma of this catastrophe of the collapse of the soviet union, we have lost one state, we will save the russian federation. this is a value, but the orientation to the west still remains. now we wanted to join the west while remaining sovereign, and that's before the start sit down the same way, but only with the city head up you know, in fact,

well, you can say so, but not like that. and how do you say, as you think, why do you disagree a little here, because this is a statement about independence, it immediately gives rise to a conflict, because the modern west does not recognize any independence of any sovereignty, that is, if it was the west realism, when western people built their own society, and in general, uh, would treat, based on their national interests, with others state. then you could say with gordon's head held back here we were trying to implement. in society, we preserve and strengthen our sovereignty by joining a civilization that has this sovereignty not only with us. and in principle, to deny even in america itself in europe itself that is, this is such an absolutely impossible task, and it naturally led to a conflict that today is already impossible to hide. so

, the elite, not only during the yeltsin period, but, unfortunately, even before the start of their own during this sovereign course, is absolutely correct strengthening our state with vladimir vladimirovich putin, this elite still remained e, oriented backwards. at the beginning, just to the west at any cost, then as you speak from the city with your head up, and suddenly it turned out that this goal itself was not correct. and the elite is now thinking about how it is now. here we are , the conflict will somehow resolve, something will balance there, and we will continue this path back. we will continue to upgrade. we will continue to continue digitalization. copying western models of archetypes, that is, we will we’ll also go back like this again, and somehow try on with us to the west. this is the big problem here. the west has declared a war of annihilation on us. he's not going to count at all. with no sovereign russia , he wants this sovereign russia not to exist,

but some other non-sovereign or residual or fragmented. well, it's like life. uh, that is, the west will go, both theoretically and in practice, at least in the person of the current ruling liberal globalists. the elite did not leave us such a right as to defend our sovereignty at all western sovereignty. let us have sovereign westerners or sovereign slavophiles into eurasians, as i am patriots , supporters of our own russian civilization of russian identity to them. it's all the same, they are equally i do not accept nor the westerners. zasu of russia's sovereignty nor us supporters of russia as an independent civilization in equal measure and now we are ready for this patriots, one might say, convinced patriots, supporters of our own russian russian eurasian path. and the elites, as educated on this desire to agree to the west is not

ready to arise cognitive dissonance. that is, for the elite, the picture of the world begins to collapse, because they were sure that no one would question the goal of integrating into the west, not in the nineties , no one set it, and even in the 2000s , no one put this goal under doubt. here is the problem. they cannot become sovereign. they can't start these elites to think in terms of russia's interests. well, apparently, you think they are quite like that. lust-loving self-interested people who, uh, are guided by their pragmatic. i'm not afraid to say cynical interesting, if so what is their reaction to the fact that, despite all their pro-western sympathies, they are being sanctioned, their families are being put on the block.