[000:00:00;00] cognitive dissonance is not ready to arise, that is, for the elite, the picture of the world begins to collapse, because they are more confident that no one will question the goal of this integration into the west, neither in 90 no one put it, and even in the two thousandth no one no one questioned this goal. here is the problem. they cannot become sovereign. they cannot start these elites to think in terms of the interests of russia. well, apparently, you consider them quite like that. if you want to be loved by self-interest, and people who guided by their pragmatic. i’m not afraid to say with cynical interests, if so what is their reaction to the fact that , despite all their pro-western sympathies, they are put under

sanctions, their families are put by boys, their property, they are confiscated, they are not ready to be accepted in their beloved west, if they they won’t repent if they don’t publicly curse their homeland, they won’t just say well. we do not agree with russian policy. we are not responsible for this. no, they are required. well, you know how it was demanded when steel was not in the thirties demand public repentance from them. and a curse on everyone you've been associated with in the past. you don’t seem to me a significant part of the western elite in russia that for them it was a revelation that they can be treated like this, and that this gave them a healthy dose of patriotism, and i, to the extent that our current, who are in control, are in control on the pinnacle of the power of the elite to the extent that they realized the irreversibility of what is happening is precisely

the irreversibility and what is really absolutely right of them will demand from them. not easy say my business side of them, but will require the blood to prove their loyalty to the west, that is, to participate in financing the same terrorist attacks. how to be not easy to separate from them requires not just not to make mistakes. they require them to curse their country and everything that was in their previous life is absolutely right and prove it with blood, that is, with blood. and ve - being tied with blood by the organization supporting terrorist attacks, as it happens with khodorkovsky, who are one of the initiators of supporting these terrorist acts that were committed in russia, so what will happen to these people, i, frankly, am not inclined to demonize them. i don't think they're treacherous, but they were told to go west. so they went and told them, doing like the west, like the west they began to do. and now the question is not in the past

, the question is now. and now they were told, now if you want to go west, then as you say, kill your homeland, cut off your roots, curse yourself. i think that this and this summer it is necessary to realize the irreversibility what happened. and now everyone will make their own conclusion. and that's not what they don't want. that is, here the point is not that they choose, for example, towards the enemy or choose to the side. countries they have not yet realized that this choice must be made. they still think that somehow the choice itself will not be able to avoid. they won't be able to avoid it. and they don't understand this. they think talking and talking is propaganda. this is how the state thinks. this is how conservatives push us. it's ok. now somehow we will resolve the situation in ukraine and everything will be the same, it will never be the same and in no way and this new this is

new. yes, they must also find their place in it, either they are with the country with the president with a victory with the people with the society with the state with the state with our civilization. this is a serious choice. this is a very serious choice, or they must openly admit that they are accomplices of terrorists terrorists in a traitor. and, basically, do it here. well, i mean, it's also a very important personal choice. definitely and this sleepy choice is unconditional, and they are to my i now think to mine even, unfortunately, they did not prepare for this it on them. uh, they were overtaken, people on the eve of their beginning were sure that they could not happen and if it is possible, this is a technical issue that will be instantly settled one way or another by peace or even victory, but here is a real full-fledged protracted civilizational struggle with the west.

in my opinion, nobody counted on this in our country and, accordingly, these questions, which may be philosophers and intellectuals or separately very subtly, patriots who feel the fate of our people are familiar with geopolitics and are familiar with civilizational studies. they may have made their choice and supported. uh, the sovereignty movement has been conscious all these years, despite the westernization that accompanied this sovereignty movement, but this minority is a division. people, most people downstream , they recognized sovereignty. i think otherwise they would have simply ended up in foreign countries or in structures in extremist liberal there were no opposition structures before, they recognized that they are loyal to putin, but they are loyal with the preservation of this western setting. now this is not enough now , indeed the measure of the elite, the measure of adequately occupying one's own position, is efficiency in the cause of victory, because

there is no other world, and this, of course, i think the majority are not ready. we had a very interesting conversation. uh, with alexander dugingov. hope to continue it soon she like their broadcasts. i want to say one, it seems to me, very important thing. eh, more relatively. recently, it seemed to many that your views were going too far, too radical. today i hear it more and more people to whom i belong and myself. what do your views represent? not a radical, but an honest, thoughtful and courageous answer to what russia and, of course, in the collective west faced. they are very pleased with how they managed to unite their ranks. of course , they are satisfied with how they managed to train and, first of all, equip the ukrainian army, but , in my opinion, they did not understand. eh, the most important

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of the russian premier league hello, my name is dmitry bagh and i invite you to a literary podcast. let them not speak. let them read. today we have an amazing program, because it is dedicated to space, we read in space. we are talking about exactly this, what is space for modern civilization for modern culture. we understand, we always remember what space is for russia what is the twelfth of april for our country, and i am preparing for this program. i even thought that our studio is similar to the iss, i don’t have any windows. i learned before the program, that the portholes are watching the earth about it. we'll talk today. i even think that if we all concentrate, then weightlessness will come. well, at least from

our conversations this flight should come. especially with such wonderful guests, who are with me in the studio today - this is oleg viktorovich novitsky pilot cosmonauts in russia, the deputy commander of the cosmonaut detachment three times in space, this is vyacheslav lvovich klimentov. e main guardian deputy director of the museum of cosmonautics, and this is vasily andreevich vladimirsky book reviewer connoisseur of accurate fiction, co-founder of the award for the best science fiction work , the award is called new horizons. hello, the most important thing. it seems to me that e cosmos is something adorned with a root, after all, the same as that of cosmetics, we forget it. but it is so, despite this. uh, superficial, like the meaning of the word

cosmetics. this is a decoration. the greeks. chaos was undecorated space, not orderly, dark and incomprehensible, and the cosmos was that which was decorated, ordered , divided into rubrics, and divided into stars into comets into rays, probably, there was some great meaning in this and let's start a conversation, of course. from cosmonaut, of course, from the legendary oleg navitsky, how did it happen that you became an astronaut and did you play here some role literature, maybe science fiction, maybe ivan efremov, maybe something else really. from childhood, i was always attracted, probably, by some open spaces, because somewhere before the eighth grade of high school. for some reason, while living in belarus, i always dreamed of being a seafarer. i read a lot of books, in my opinion to write and along the way, makarevich two-volume powerful such as a guy came to the merchant fleet though, but nevertheless reached the captain of a sea voyage. i lived with this thought

for quite a long time and only, probably, after eighth grade, when we cousin entered borisogleb. this school is a famous school. yes, i said about the life of flight cadets. here in all these kind of childhood dreams. for some reason, i dramatically changed my mind about my future profession and decided to become a military pilot. uh-huh began to prepare hard. i was a little short of height and stretched out on the horizontal bar. i ran a lot, but there are somehow some restrictions on growth. you have to be tall, you have to be some kind of neuter gender. i didn't understand the rules military enlistment office, but a little short of the lower stick, that's literally for the season for the summer. i stretched out very well and entered borisoglevodsk, a natural school. unfortunately, then through the reduction in the nineties. i changed three schools, continued my studies, there is someone who is a cherish, graduating from kachinskaya, and then served first in krasnodar, then borisoglebsk and budyonnovsk for a very long time, that they were looking for an even regiment from the position of commander, i left for the gagarin academy located here in

the suburbs and calmly studied raised my the military professional level of the air force academy, the famous beautiful and before the release of the spring, representatives of the cosmonaut training center came to us, gathered the entire flight crew and said that this year the cosmonaut detachment was being recruited. and you were already in some kind of military rank corresponding. don't know. well, as that was enough, maybe a little early still a little early. yes, i was, in my opinion, 32-30 years old. it was a good age to continue a military military career. that's when they offered those who wished listeners to be selected for this astronaut, i naturally agreed to write a report on the passage for some reason. i thought that naturally i could put myself next to such great people as gagarin leonov and titov valynov. it's been a year. it was 2006, but honestly, i had to go to clear my conscience that i made an attempt. i could not put myself on the same level with such people, and literally in 2 months the selection passed and i was recognized as fit. here's a selection

, this astronauts nevertheless said thank you beneficial. i say what to do next? maybe go to my unit to serve further. i went back to budyonnovsk for six months, the assault regiment, and from there, already by order of the minister of defense , star city was transferred, document went on, and then you already ended up in star city. yes, this is a legendary place. well, after all, did you read something about space at that time or, uh, it was somewhere off to the side. you were a pilot, yes, literature about military aviation and read a lot of adventure literature. well, tell me, but uh, except for uh knowledge of technology, in addition to physical data health, but here's another worldview. i mean, not ideology there, but something was required. as you thought, then it is some kind of representation of the distant. eh, space. you wanted to be a sailor, yes, a long-distance voyage. well, is it still you, or is it just the technique and but no, i

think it’s still at the end. this was also taken into account, because how much a person is motivated. that's it for his profession. this is right. yes, you don’t just go to become a famous astronaut, to be on faith in the newspaper strips. yes somewhere the last column is on the front page on channel one and it happened. well , i never aspired to this for me to come a little, but nevertheless. i understand that we need to do the same in order to tell our students there to schoolchildren, just people , what we do, because now a little bit of information has been curtailed . space is romance or work still works. this is a romantic romantic work, and wonderful, that is, your dreams come true in fact. well, essentially. yes. the only thing, perhaps, is still in the number of flights and how much time is allotted for this. well, three flights. this is not enough. this is not enough. yes, but we have in space, well

, almost a year a year in space. that's all yes, i feel right next to you, as well as our other guests. thank you very much. well, now my question is to vyacheslav klimenkov vyacheslav lvovich tell me please, but probably there is some kind of dynamics? yes, that's what's been happening lately . and with those who come to the museum, what they want to see space occupies, well, a few other places. oleg and i were just talking about this. well, not that every release of the program starts with shots, salute six, how was it? well, what do people want, what are they interested in when they ask me? well, here we are, let's touch the device. and you made a remark to us. so what happened? i say nothing and even if i touched more things, nothing it happened. even you are nothing. but there is something like yesterday we took our museum to 2,800 people, and on saturday we had

one ticket for one day, and on saturday we had. 3,200 people in the museum, just imagine 3,200 touch, and you need to save. yes, not for a year, not for two to a decade. these are children, these are adults. these are the guests of the capital, they are foreigners, but now it is difficult. but who is this anyway? see? the interest is huge, not even someone space, i would say astronautics, yes, that is, to people who make devices to people who actually pilot the devices carry out experiments. in space. very interesting. uh, different family people, a lot of family people. yes, there are a lot of schoolchildren, a lot of those who came. just come here to relax very small foreigners. and i'll tell you more, while here are some interesting numbers. we are already accepting 10% more than before the pandemic. that is, you have already gone out of business perfectly, but still, what is the museum's setting for some kind

of interactive? ecogenic opportunities to join or display relics. i prefer some of these, but not in advance i will say. what do you know, well, i guess roughly what you prefer, because you are a museum man and a museum of weeks, a literary museum of an interactive literary museum, of course, so far with speech and religion, which, in general, can not be seen anywhere else. hey, let's get the machine down. we have five of their descent vehicles, we have the legendary belka and strelka, which proved with the legendary dogs, who later lived 10 years of life and had puppies there , and so on, that life in space is possible in space, we have a spacesuit. yurievich gagarin us a spacesuit in which an ecological duplicate phantom, in which alexei arkhipov went into outer space alexei leonov from the city of kemerovo, where he spent seven years of his life, how it all sounds to us alexei osipovich he loved

to tell the same story always what, uh, when i this is 14 years old. i had a choice of who to become and i painted very well, painted pictures, all to be an artist, but i still didn’t read to be a military pilot, and we met in the family and it turned out that i had four meals a day at the military school school, they gave uniforms, they school was discipline and i decided all the same. we decided i became a military pilot has not gone away, great artists. and we have a very large collection of more than a hundred, worked, painting or supercolourante in our museum. we have already moved on to art, and for good reason, of course, leonov is a wonderful artist, and with his paintings, he works to popularize space no less than with the legendary stories about pavel belyaev's first spacewalk. as we remember, again, this is ivanovich belyaev uh, alexey arkevich. leonov is all the names

that my generation knew by name. the patronymic of these people e, even if we wake up at night, we would pronounce it e. well, i turn my question. uh, to vasily vladimirsky and m-m, let's talk about art. or rather, literature. still, the cosmos is what is around us, or what is in art, or what is inside of us, and if that's briefly, somewhere there is a point where it starts. e hmm modern sun-fiction. of course, one can say that plato had fantasy in atlantis and st. lucian from samosata and daniel defoe, and where in russian literature prince udostoevsky of duisk, yes, a funny person is with her, but still, the twentieth century, how much it depends on the fantasy of the twentieth century, depended on real discoveries, because in parallel there were tsiolkovsky frosts. those who have already

directly said that the lord, it is possible, perhaps, as it all began in literature. well, you know, this is what you started with the classics practically, in the sense of the word in which they, in general, here the word is used by the classics of antique uh, and uh, authors new time authors of the 19th century. they generally did. it seems to me a certain vector. and e space for the writers of that period of that era of those eras. this is, uh, something, something greater than something better than the earth, that is, this is an ideal of some kind. yes, some, i would say even a place where they revolve and grow, uh, all sorts of different utopias, the world mind of the world. well, starting from the fact that this one here, the period of rotation of the moon is 12 times longer than the rotation of the earth, and therefore on the moon since ancient times it was believed that everything is 12 times better 12 times

more 12 times. wonderful. and it seems to me that this is largely preserved in the science fiction of the 20th century. she is very diverse. that is, uh, someone used cosmic expanses, like entourage for adventurous adventure literature, someone used for dystopia for discoscopy in order to show how where humanity can go, where you don’t have to go, but they endured these very despotic dystopian worlds are also for other dystopias. this is our internal terms. but uh, well, actually, dyscopia and dystopia are practically the same thing, but let's say dystopia for a better understanding. here, uh, and uh, still very uh people, uh, in the 20th century. at least. well, probably until the fifty-seventh year, until the moment when the actual cosmos humanity finally broke through, really

broke through, yes. and satellite satellite in the same year, as we remember, came out. e, roman ivan antonovich efremov the andromeda nebula , the fifty-seventh year, he came out in the e technique of youth, then separately the most popular youth technician magazine. again, my childhood, god's millionth edition and aspired to space, like, uh, something better, more, like, uh, some kind of ideal. yes, but when it started, maybe there was even some kind of looking back at literature. i mean, we already know a little about it. yes, perhaps, perhaps, they looked and somehow evaluated the work of the same ancient ones, it’s all the same up to berjarak. eh, edgar poe's defoe , the julever is really needed right. it's already here. as a matter of fact, it's probably true with julia. maybe it's almost our time. yes you can drive science fiction report as we know it perfectly, as we remember, we lived faithfully, the landing on the moon never happened, that is,

it happened. already in the second volume e, his second book, but about the flight of a new a and e, the main goal is the main task. uh, the heroes from pushkin to the moon is just yes, yes, yes, it's just, uh, well , to make some kind of journey to prove that this is the base speed. yes, pick up speed to show how it happens, uh, to prove that it is possible, that is, first of all. uh, it's someone in the tech center. yes, further human science begins. then you know , i wrote my thesis, i rarely think about it, but you know about it, because in some sense we also belong to the same shop with vasily. i wrote my thesis, and stanislavella. eh, i corresponded with him. this is absolutely great eh, a man in his later years. he was very against the man-made evolution of such an uncontrolled american one, and here solaris is after all the sixty-first year, right . most probably, the famous roman of the sixty-first

year thanks to tarkovsky. although they had their contradictions, lem e denied not that i denied the film, but the film and the book say differently in the film positive he had a fight. yes, there was a conflict. well, after all, this example shows very clearly that when hmm , this flight cosmos, so much desired by mankind for millennia, took place. i was born in the sixty-first year and therefore i feel like the same age as the space age. eh , then, after all, there was some kind of looking back at literature . and this confirms our thesis that the cosmos is not only stars, but the cosmos is also what is in us and that in art even now we will have a traditional middle. e of our podcast. each issue in the middle contains my little solo, and i either show an old book, or

comment on a quote from a classic, or read it into a poem. and when i thought what exactly to read, the choice was very great, because it opened up without stars full of lomonosov or tyutchev e how much cosmic there is a certain hour of the night of universal silence and vynych from the phenomenon of miracles, the living chariot of the universe openly rolls the sanctuary of heaven, but i decided to read hmm a wonderful little poem by nikolai alekseevich zabolotsky and a brilliant russian poet, mm, in which the cosmos is given precisely as a projection of the universe onto ourselves onto our inner world, when the daylight fades away and in the black haze, leaning towards khatam, the whole sky will play over me, as a colossal moving atom that

a dream torments me for a year. that somewhere in another corner of the universe there is the same garden and the same darkness and the same stars in imperishable beauty, and maybe some poet is standing in the garden and wondering why he i am at the end of my years with my misty dream . and this, by the way, brings us back to the discussion of tarkovsky emma recall everything ready to fly into space challenge the first in space

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denis kazansky on sunday at pervy in the big game, the big bookmaker venline is the general partner of the russian premier league. well, we are back in our studio literary podcast. let them not talk, let them read, we are talking about how they read in space and how they read about space oleg how do astronauts spend their leisure time on the iss? how is day and night there? uh, day and night follow each other . it's very simple for us, we get 16 turns. per day around the planet, respectively, 16 blossoms 16 sunsets. we are guided by greek time to eat just, well, such chimes. no, of course, there are large wristwatches. yes? yeah, if the ship soyuz no flies moscow time to the station station back only in moscow but he

stayed, we are moving now to the grinch not so convenient. for all soups, about books i can say that they are now. well, very little, because we ourselves are well aware that, yes , delivery is probably very expensive. because we're only allowed to take a kilo personal belongings, so thanks to, here all our technologies have already come to e- books. we have a very large library of recorded music, so there are a lot of e-books. yes, there are books, right? here, well, i don’t know, let’s say a person likes something that bravo could support in the hands, as i understand you, completely different tactile sensations. this is not an e-book. i can't convey how this pleasure is to support something in your hands. and what books? well, for example, they read something, no, give an example hard, because every astronaut or asks for psycho support. uh, to lay a set of some bullshit some new tracks. some kind of musical books, that is, there is

a huge amount of this information. i still have, well, i want to pick up such and such books, if a kilogram of weight, then, of course, this is hardly difficult. yes, that’s why everyone is sitting at the station, but i also don’t want to clutter it up with literature in a good way, because there are very few places for storage, all the compartments are, in principle, overloaded with some kind of property and even a small book. she's already taking a seat. got it, got it? well, that is, i conclude from this that we also live at the station. yes, because there is less and less room for us. yes, uh, i have 30,000 books. it’s not for nothing that i repeat this, but it’s not without reason that i host a podcast. let them say he will count more than 30,000 books, and there is nowhere to live, in fact. i have them for two. that is, we live, as if at a space saving station. and what about leisure , we don’t have much free time on weekdays. well, maybe about one and a half there, two hours and a half or two hours, and sleep how much back is 10.5 hours? oh, at eight and a half o'clock, that is, well, there is no library, actually, only electronic, yes, basically, yes? yeah, well, anyway

. it's not bad, and films are watched together or each separately. mostly, probably, together, after all, because this requires more time. i wanted to say that on a weekday we are, in principle, also preparing for the next working day. day needs to find some equipment to study the radiograms. therefore, purely video leisure we get only on weekends and here only after cleaning their segment. we choose our segment for half a day. partners do the same and then on saturday evening, let's say we can get together to watch some movie or a good soviet movie. or let's say some kind of imported movie. and that is very good. and that's very often his films that were not released. that is, we watch these films first at the station. well, how curious, that is the first audience. yes, the first for two documents. uh-huh they divulge always invite us to view. how wonderful is that? yes, it is a very good tradition. she somehow brings together the crew so far, even a small, but drawing together joint dinner brings together. well, that's great. now again about the museum

vyacheslav lvovich tell me, please, does the museum publish any books? what exactly? i have some samples here, right? yes, the museum publishes books. well, how do we make them is a project together with publishers. now you have taken a book, it is very important for us. this is the second edition. event horizon. uh, the jumbled letters of the severe man. this, of course, is about sergey, this is about sergey pavlovich, because he is amazing branches are very much loved by us. in general, loved by astronauts. it's true. this is the house of sergei pavlovich korolev and in this place. here everything is just like all sorts of pavlovich just left. it seemed to me that he left a seemingly insignificant operation and more. yes, he didn’t return anymore, and you know they are collected here with permission with the permission of niva anna gave this permission in writing before passing from life, when some time passes, they will be published and now, against the backdrop of the events of the fifty- sixth fifty-seven fifty-ninth year, he writes letters to his wife, and the wife. reply