normal, and even good. maybe, that is, uh, in terms of the olympics. or maybe a third time. uh, when you missed there , i don’t know how to kill myself against the wall. i don't know what people do there when they lose something badly. uh, or you might think that well, hmm, what can you do now? i do not regret anything, because in my last olympic season i was in very good shape. and how would i have done everything in my power, but the girls who went to the olympics were very much better, and there were no regrets nothing, but in principle if we are talking about the next olympics, then there it is not clear what will happen, of course, i would like to go there somehow, there is such an opportunity. well, i have to introduce myself, that is, there is no such thing

as the olympiad for me. this is basically some bullshit. and i decided that that's all i'm there without the olympics, and i don't think about it, of course , it would be very nice for me to perform there or just go there to see, but this atmosphere, but i can live without it. i have good titles, and i don't know, i don't know for a long time, i'm skating it somehow. well, in short, you ride for a long time. and now you have, by the way, already grown up and wise, and in the fourteenth year, when you did not participate in the olympics, which, in principle, you could win, because there was your main rival at that time by age, who became the olympic champion, and puberty is in the head, but the beginning. there are doubts when in the head doubts it's everything for me it's everything. here, i overcame these doubts, 14 for which doubts do you

say that you mean doubts doubts in yourself, that you don’t know you can’t, that you are unworthy, which means, uh, i always have a clear idea at the beginning of the season where i will be in the season, and it always works. or i set myself up like that, that is, in the fifteenth. i clearly understood that here you are. there is a chance here now. well, because i saw, and in the fourteenth i understood that there is yulia lipnitskaya, that if sotnikova dolina and i couldn’t inspire myself, then no one could, because i already put myself in third place, and there were two places. eventually. and when you are already losing in your thoughts everything, then you can’t collect it, and i struggled with it very much, i was fifteen, and then i again

fell into this hole, and i had, uh, 2 years. so i struggled with this, according to which i did not learn to axel. i realized that the old maximum already has a chance to win something, that in 2015 lisa won the world and european championships and the final. well, that is, in principle, the golden season , or for that only mice, just came to the olympic post, like this time you don’t see any regularity in this, that always are you doing the next season after the olympics the best? it always happens this way, but i don’t know why, but razin’s justice is finally, and i had a good last season. in principle, if you do not count here one fall of saxels, the only mistake in the season. eh, everything else was good. we continue. this is a free program podcast. i am maxim trankov and my guest today is the beautiful

elizaveta tuktamysheva and when you perform in a show, that's what you are ready to give to the audience. you you understand that people have come bought a ticket. they are waiting for some kind of spectacle that you are willing to do to satisfy them. if i had the opportunity, i would generally select a program for cities, because we have a huge country and viewers, for example, from some small towns, but they get very snow, which i now roll such more touching interruptions. let's go to the cities then. we have moscow there st. petersburg , kazan novosibirsk ride, right? kula soul scripts, next in

st. petersburg in st. petersburg leningrad cord naturally, it's obvious. and so in kazan kazan you can skate e free east i don't know and novosibirsk novosibirsk snow is what i'm just skating at the beginning of our interview. you mentioned that you would like to develop further. so well, where would you like to develop. which side of this is the problem, you know. and yes, there are some, maybe dream ideas. i don't know what you would like to be next. there are no such neurosurgeons. i i know very well my capabilities, but i can

introduce something with you, for example, i see myself in this. i like it. the only thing, again, you need to work on your voice. above speech. and by the way, this is not true. it's just, i understand what kind of school you went through to grow up in this. well, maybe it was simple for you, but in principle, it's difficult, yes, and i'm so provincial cent and sometimes ending with still incorrectly pronounced words. all this is there, so it's not as simple as it looks, uh, from the outside, maybe for learn from someone and then do your work and speak wrong. something. it's in your head too, yo-my, i said it wrong. at least you know, i'm already a coach, well, a coach. i think that i will always have time to stay and as long as

i have. my freedom of youth is creativity. i would like to use it more. and the coach. i just understand that if you are a coach, then i can’t imagine how you combined all this. but if you are a coach, it seems to me that you, too, you live. this is how you train your group every day i don’t know, i’m trying to achieve some results and there’s no strength left for another, no time left. but this is how i see it, because as such i didn’t have a combination, because i know that there is a lot about it. they say it was my work, that i worked there poorly, because i was doing everything there. but in fact, i only coached, that is, i only commented on figure skating when i was at competitions in the same ones with my athletes, that is, other types. uh huh, they

are not. i didn't even comment on the couples tried not to take it, because i was prejudiced to have a nice time in another park and in fact, in principle, especially here are the last 2 years before the olympics. i haven't missed a single workout with the guys. that is, i did not have such a thing that i directly combined it was replaced. i didn't skate in the show, so i mean, i haven't been seen in the show for a very long time. well, the show also turns out great, so while there is an opportunity. it seems to me that it’s better to use this time to the maximum, but i don’t know the show project, i have it in my head some ideas there, but the coach is very difficult. it's right she sucks everything out of herself, so i want this while there is a possibility. save energy, listen, here you are talking about some kind of media development, yes, your own, but now we just

have a figure skater per square meter, a presenter. yes, this is also competition, of course, i know in your case the competition is the same. and it’s the same everywhere, well, somehow i’ll have to be competitive, so that in this case it would be easier for me, because there was only lyosha igudin, and i, in principle, just took him examples just saw that well, how professional he is there doing it. i thought that maybe i can also do at least 10% of what he can do at the expense. there may be charisma or something. here. well, you already have a rival. there are, but they are always there, but there is always eliza now you are not the same as in the fourteenth year. i have learned already. i have become more confident in

myself, so we'll see. if not, then i’ll find something else, there are always ways out, it’s important to always remember that always you can find a way out. look , you said that you always have some kind of goal at the beginning of the season, where you roughly understand where you should be. in this case, where do you think you should be? i don't know, i run my own podcast. i'm doing my show there at some venues or something else. well, he probably went to some sites. it's insanely difficult, but it's fun all the way, but they're not exactly podcasts, but to make some kind of entertainment show. and i think i had to entertain people turned out probably if i'm still here. i will try to behave seriously, then in life i am completely different, but you know they confirm. well , uh, it seems to me, in principle, that in figure skating it is possible

now that we are developing very coolly, and there are already some projects. and this is just figure skating at the top level , but you can still make it even more entertaining, so that people not only come to watch figure skating, because well, on tv, because they only love figure skating his. but you just switch and now, uh, find another new audience, like in basketball during breaks. they do great. cool exits. also there on the fill to do some kind of show. damn, i 'll tell you all my ideas now, let's cut out these ideas, we have already tried them, even slightly implement them. i'm interviewing during the filling. no, this interview is not enough to do it right, you have to do it right. something cool season between performances. let's come and we'll run, please, with you. yes, yes, that's something like, something like draw tournaments, you have in

mind, well, i don't know, just more entertaining, because we are all serious this is a serious sport, we are still conservative and we need to bring a little drive of brightness. well, what we can bring with you. well, it seems to me that it would be interesting for people too, because they are watching and everyone is like that. yes, it’s beautiful to ruffle them a little. well, i don't know, but it seems to me, i'm just always interested in it, when there is some kind of joke, when it's fun, it always grabs attention. you somehow still rest on this well, when it’s just there or filling or constantly here these here. programs are monotonous or not monotonous, it can sometimes get tired of this you can in an ideal world. well, yes, because there are still athletes and coaches who are very difficult

to agree on something. and even elizaveta tuktamysh on the podcast of the free program. we waited a couple of months. for which there was no time at all. well, yes , this is in an ideal world, but here i am just saying that it would be cool if we did something recreational entertainment directly with figure skating related to the following season in figure skating in other types, how i can combine, as everyone knows who comments writes comments on social networks. we will combine we will combine, yes lisa thank you very much, we are waiting for surprises from you good luck to you in the new season. thank you for finally getting there. i think we had a really fun chat. thank you very much again. thank you, the conversation turned out,

in general, as 1 minute flew by unnoticed , a lot of topics touched on some interesting ones. i'm in a stupor. you introduced me, but in general yes, very cool, nice project. thank you. this is an easy money podcast, i'm its host mikhail khanov today our guest is anatolyevich sokolov, a russian scientist, academician of the russian academy of sciences, director of the federal rural center for management informatics and, importantly, dean of the moscow state university faculty of computational mathematics and cybernetics. hello. michael friend. let's start with who it people are. here is some classification. we can say that today we are all it people, as soon as we had smartphones and, well, in that generation, in

which we now have them we all cost. we had to be able to use information technology tools, to be able to use these gadgets, to understand how they work. otherwise, we simply will not fit into the modern rhythm and lifestyle. but you that the question, of course, is not related to this; your question is related to those people who have associated their profession with this phenomenon with these technologies. with these tools, which actually create them, such technologies, including those created, of course, this is it. eh, i think the most, of course, the fundamental conditions of it people who develop methods in our time were called engineering. engineers, including, i think i mean, scientists, scientists, not only scientists who, on the basis of fundamental mathematical results of deep penetration into these mathematical results , create those methods that are then turned

into technologies into tools. here, which we use the other layer - these are the people who masterfully use these tools to solve some practical problems. here is the layer that is actually considered by many to be an it specialist and those who write programs. those who create gadgets are automatic platforms on which they are based, that is, here is the main mass manifestation of these same methods and technologies. and this, of course, is the main finders. but there are also other it people who use this tool in their daily lives. well, probably it is any person to prepare cabernets. it is part of the moscow university. moscow university in the first place. such

a traditional fundamental classical university, therefore, of course, our main task is still to respond to the challenge and train scientists of those people who are those specialists who are at least potentially ready to conduct scientific research. we teach this guys. so i would like to ask a few words about the most famous graduates or there is a cohort of vmc graduates, because i recently learned that mts president vyacheslav nikolaev graduated from vk among graduates. vmk. uh, there are famous scientists who lead ah, so iconic. e, academic institutes, for example, sergei mikhailovich abramov, director of the institute of program systems in pereslavl-zalessky, is a very interesting institute for a long time, which not only conducted scientific research, but also trained specialists in this field. well, i'm sitting in front of you, also the director

of informatics of the russian administration. it is one of the largest academic institutions. here i did not particularly single out silicon valley, but there is a rating among the work of givers, here in our area, informational vmk graduates are in the top 10 of this ranking. there is no one else in the world among russian universities in this ranking. no, it is clear that mathematics is a science that is not getting younger, but it is and is, but, at the same time, there is certainly development in it, as in any science. and here's a question related to this. what is the average age of a teacher or mathematics on vk, for example, it will be difficult for teachers to separate

mathematics, he teaches programming or some other subject, approximately the average age is about 45 years. but these are young people we are very young, in fact , lately we have been paying a lot of attention to this, as far as russian. they fight for your graduates. you don't let them go. it's just that we learned, yes, and please, guys, swim, not only don't let go, but we do it. well, let's say professional training, and not only as a specialist , but also as people, uh, socially oriented, we are engaged in the very first courses with our guys and the choice is not only a profession, but which apparently took place once he became a student of the vmk, but also a place of work for us same one of the tasks, so we are holding, uh , an event where we invite future slaves, starting from the second year, starting from the second year and among all

these large companies without exception. uh, the wmc faculty is listed as one of the main bots fighting for your students motivate didn't say they don't fight, but they are all extremely interested. all of them are present. well, in a cult, these uh presence can be a variety of joint laboratories, a joint curriculum, where not only university teachers work with the guys, but also employees of technology who are already engaged in applied use, so that this is not burdened with any obligations in the future. so you have to go there to work , no, and even under such conditions, everyone is interested and definitely unconditional. not only it companies, by the way, these companies, that is, all the giants are interested. in fact, we want platforms on which they will already hang their own, and here we cannot

do without the understanding that today, uh? uh, the economy as a whole about the industry in the first place can not do without tools that we call information technology. you probably have experience of working before the balloon system, which was adopted after. well, i ’ll say by my own example that a special system was generally needed. that's why, when i hear, these are all modern names that are favorable and the magistracy is still confusing them, to be honest, because we had such a system, we completed the university course in 3 years, and then we worked in institutes for 3 years. academy of sciences here. i personally had an institute for the problems of mechanics at southwest. that's 2 years. we worked there, and here we received part-time jobs, even yes, these are sixth-year experimenters or theorists. we wrote a diploma, and it was a full-fledged scientific work. i am often based on my diploma, and how do you feel about the system.

eh, the one that exists now. from which we are going to refuse like russia and to what then we return the blouse of the system - this is not 4 + 2, this is not the most. the main feature is a measurement of the level of knowledge that you have received the amount of knowledge that you have received. yes, just in the learning process. yes, for each subject there is a so-called credit unit in different countries. they can be called differently, but any person who opens a diploma sees the name of the discipline and the number. he, in principle, understands the level. that is, it is the unified coordinate system. yes. it is clear to everyone in the amount of information that you betrayed. well , of course, the grades you got. in the process of learning, here is the essence of the balloon system , and the very good essence is

that we are getting out of there and that it is now voices are actively heard from all sides that we are refusing it and, most likely, they are refusing the opportunity to accept precisely the two-stage education system four plus two. this seems to me the most unfortunate choice. that is, one could choose one of the aspects is the measurability of the amount of information, well, that is , what you were taught at the university but do not change, and most importantly, do not take breaks in education. that's right, that's where we're going. and this is indeed correct. and uh, it's long overdue. it is also good to do 4 + 2 at the vmc. no all day. uh, at moscow university , not all faculties have switched to a two- stage system. that is, well, let's say the mechanism

of the political faculty has not passed five in it. six six years yes, but starting from the twentieth year from the twentieth year. we have made the decision to return to continuing education. that is, in this case it is called, we have already advanced quite far on this path, but this path is quite difficult, but it is correct, this break in education does not allow training those specialists who who are capable of doing science and engineering and practice and practice. that is , it turns out that the key to success is we restore the continuity of education throughout. even if five, a is better than 6 years, and we leave the system a for assessing the level of knowledge according to that common unified coordinate system that

is accepted all over the world so, it seems to me, this is an ideal option, and the number of years depends on the specialty and i remind you that in the soviet union e not only a five-year education was from six years, until now 7 years and now creative people had 4 years professions. so years need to be determined. specialty okay let's so here's our whole audience, you know, how everyone wants to know. that's good. you are so cool to us now, you tell everything, let's say we have it there, we have smart kids who will go there. what is the competition now, by the way, it is very difficult. but if you normalize it, here is the past. yes, there was an understanding of eight people on the ground, when i arrived it was 71 years old , they were the same going wild in general. about five people is a very good competition. i i think that you should be proud, of course

, much more, but now a person is pride, that is, i thought now you say 2-3-5 - this is already, well, real success is not so. and this despite the fact that we stand out among other faculties and universities of universities. e of our profile so that we require, e-e four results of the unified state examination, that is, russian mathematics , informatics and physics for the test was received. i know me very deeply. yes, you and mathematics , obviously, or ordinary mathematics require russian mathematics and something to choose from physics or computer science is not. works to liberate

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the most when they leave the institutes. in addition to these companies, it-companies. this is not the most important thing that we are preparing the guys for. the most important thing. i will return this industry in terms of the volume of required specialists, if not the system administrator serving the network, who is it clear that, uh, vmk, they are preparing with the administrator, at least the designer of the aircraft, before that he develops it on special platforms. tool models simulates complex technical devices, for example, we divide an airplane as an engineer, mathematics, of course, is very subtle, very fundamental mathematics, despite the fact that there are a lot of packages that help to do this and nevertheless, if a person is fundamentally unprepared for a new aircraft, he does not will do. and today

, all over the world , it is impossible to transfer documentation to a plant for the production of an aircraft if this documentation does not include simulation results. well, building aircraft. it's just one of the industries car engine, building. construction today, again, modern electricity turbines. even in this one. well, beam technology is again a simulation complete in life, also without mathematics, unusual, therefore, it must also be durable and convenient , maintainable, stable in certain areas and stuffed with all sorts of, so to speak , engineering systems in the right way. that's what it people also create. at least they count them. yes, and they choose the optimal correct option. this

first and foremost. i know it's hard, but let's try. what salaries can your graduates claim right off the bat. well, guys, we fantasize, i’ll tell the audience right away, we don’t get attached, but uh, guys are very close to the topic of money, they get a lot - that ’s how many of them i still come at least 100,000 at least immediately, while there are such uh, guys and places, where they immediately receive several hundred thousand. come on, i immediately once again here for our audience for a reason we are sitting here and discussing the topic of it and vk if you finish the vc, then it costs the minimum that awaits you. and if you, put a little imagination into your head and start working not just, but by exploiting something, but inventing and creating, then this is 200 and 300,000 times

fine, i definitely want to make a remark . here we follow ours, we follow not only how they are. uh, work successfully or unsuccessfully and then the environment where they get their career growth. and that's what we notice it's very easy to make the first jump and immediately get a lot money. these are the same 200-300,000, but in the medium term , the average is 5-7 years. uh, this is the wrong track the right trajectory gradually. gradually, you don’t need to jump right away for a big salary; it’s better to go through all the necessary steps. uh-huh and as we see those who are moving progressively, he is here on this temporary matrix, this is all the same, yes

, a little wavy, but directed upwards. still, it can be intermittent around. well, it certainly wasn't the time. this was not the first, it was getting closer, but with some. i i want to say that the one who immediately receives a lot of money. for some reason, he loses the incentive to professional growth. but those who gradually understand what lies ahead for them sooner or later overtake and become the boss of those people who know that money should not be your goal at all, because, well, as they taught me and you and me, but it is important to become the best in their profession and the money will come to you. and graduates in the mk are distinguished by the fact that sooner or later they become really in demand. the best. and they arrange their lives not only from the point of view and learn, as i said, that is,

you get them. learn to think and learn all the time. well, there is something specific behind these words. the main thing is that we teach them. that is , we demand from them. how hard do you require? what percentage of deductions? well, uh, in the twenty-second year, i handed out diplomas, at the end of june 53% of the graduates of the vk received a diploma, and in absolute numbers 100 and annually we accept about 350,350. this is a huge plus 280 master's programs and somewhere else order, 150 contractors and 580 foreigners, so we have a very large reception, only 63% of them received a diploma. yes, you call them, we teach them to learn, and we call them eggs. we

compose to work, imagine working, right? well, we have a teaching to balance these to work. that's why i always say that. suffer the main thing to work. and you will have everything and the majority. still, they strive to work, the state is aware of the importance. this branch of this direction in education is in development and how it helps the state is aware of the very fact of the existence of our faculty. this is proof that the state adopted a resolution for the year, as it should be. the central committee and the council of ministers on the creation of several faculties in our branch of information technology, then it was called differently electronic computing technology. and by the way, the institute of physics and technology written as

a result of this decree was created the first dean. moiseev's management of mathematics is precisely the results of this attention to the state. our faculty, mathematics amplifier faculty of cybernetics in nizhny novgorod , novosibirsk , they teach mathematics very strongly, well, there are certainly several dozen of them. after all, this happened precisely because it was realized that this is the very computer technology now. and now the same thing, and now what is it expressed in? you say that you feel the attention? i can say that it is felt. yes, i can say there that we are respected. yes, they listen to us, so to speak, yes, control figures. reception. so i think, so to speak, of course, the control figures are tricks. no more

only in our faculty. i am the head of the federal educational and methodological association for computer information science, this is a public association, but which operates according to the rules of the ministry of e, it unites, uh, about one and a half hundred russian universities of higher textbooks that teach in the field of information computer science. and i see what attention is paid not only by the federal but also by the local local authorities. indeed, it is really in demand without information technology without the ability to calculate it is impossible to imagine the modern economy to simulate management, therefore universities invest support faculties support places for

teachers for young people, including those who are allocated, but at the university i just feel it all the time. well, we have prime minister dmitry chernyshenko a year ago who said that the shortage of specialists in the field of it is about 1 million people. the question is this, you feel from the feedback on some of your contacts at work. here, uh, the federal national research center, and what is there a return of specialists who choose for themselves? our country and projects in our country, as more interesting than those for which they left, there 5-10 years ago across the ocean. or to europe, you know, i would not say that somewhere there are more interesting or more significant projects; in russia they have always been interesting, significant, and moreover, working in russia, this could work both together and for a foreign company.