[000:00:00;00] they could play the same roles, yes, they were friends or not friends, that 904 was the year of birth of tatyana bathroom peltsev, and the father who was the famous soviet actor ivan peltsev, a german nobleman, in general, then with a new one, who almost qualits, i remember expenses, and the pedigree goes on and is published regularly by the reference pedigree pepper of the russian federation but the most important thing that i wanted to say is the traditions of the national theater. i am not a theater historian, because korshi knows a little about such a theater in the twenties, and who continue to the tradition of the russian critical theater was not the education of acting, that's just the point, and he did not have so many people, and his father taught his father in the twenties . these are the times that, in general, when there was still this connection between and as a result , marino yes, a legendary actress, who today not everyone knows this name, but, but she absorbed it all from her. she was very much guided by her there with

some kind of marin. ushi did not graduate from any theatrical universities for many actors of that generation, yes, no matter how many received vocational education, and it was not all taught to each other. he had a very original appearance, and she was stylish. having arrived from germany, i saw her photographs, where she is well-groomed in hats and this european such gloss european chic was present, and she says that when she was little, and her mother was all the time i repeated that she couldn't. maybe i won't quote exactly that she was born very pretty. because of what, tatyana ivanovna concluded and was offended for the rest of her life by her mother that she told her in this way i wanted to hurt, but that a pretty girl was born, and then she became so ugly from a book from tatiana pelter, sometimes your mother said beauty, and god did not offend you. and sometimes i gave birth to you beautiful second expression. tanya

seemed offensive, saying that i gave birth to you beautiful. and you didn’t understand that she grew up, that she was not a beauty, but she considered herself charmingly not without reason. but the mother's charm was not quoted, only correctly. now tatyana ivan had a great love. yes, here in germany, where she lived with her husband. he worked in the diplomatic corps, in my opinion, yes it was, well, they met, they were still in the soviet union. there, i saw her performances and, in fact , their relationship began from this. as far as the essence of the fate of memories can be, and he sought her hand, she answered my claim and left for germany with him . yeah, they say she changed him with an intrigue specially conceived in order to still break off this relationship, because they describe wonderful stories to e. hmm cinema, sergey

katkov describes it all in such a way that she was not very comfortable in this marriage. he didn't want her to continue her career and elvin was one of the greatest german theater and film directors to come. he tried this one, and to stage all sorts of films in the soviet union, he offered a role, but our husband stood by and said that he needed you in belarus, too, like there was a note, and according to which the husband realized that she was cheating on him, so she shared, then she told as it has not been proven. that's all, very much. to me it seems yes, what is it? then she obviously would not be very comfortable in germany and she could not find her place, she occupied, violently and was not rich. yes, she is so married anymore and did not have children when they show. what films about pelzer everything starts to feel sorry for her. this intonation arises so unfortunate such that if you do not have children, if you do not have

a husband, then you are unhappy, perhaps these are the happiest people. well, many interlocutors describe the taurus as a wonderful self-sufficient person. well, as it were, as with such an unfortunate character could be given such roles. i don’t really understand, she quite gives the impression of a person who feels great alone and in company and, probably, doesn’t really believe that she didn’t. e romanov although because of the memories of olga aruseva and novels , tatyana ivanovna is persistent. there was the brightest female personality in our theater, when i came to the satire theater tatyana ivanovna was about 45 years old. we became friends, then five hundred experienced an affair with an act. b adored her chosen one and instantly loaded me with an assignment, then a note to demolish this b, then call on the phone, then transfer something ended up being jealous of me and for a short time we quarreled, listen, well, artists in general are such liars, by the way, of any age of any generation. well, this is also called fantasy

by others, more so soft, but definition. well , you don’t know who to believe and is it necessary at all? is it really important to know something about em's personal life , i think that we don't know a lot. from the personal life of tatyana ivanovna, we will not know already never. well, that's why it's now, uh, yes, there you write here and look there they will take a picture of you and everyone already knows everything, but before that everything was still hidden, well , look, and in order to knit, uh , some kind of super music . eh, the composer should not be worried about something. eh, the soul is able to be a vegetable, yes, and therefore, for inspiration, suffering is necessary, the more blood there is in their biography, the brighter their work is for the actress. no, this is not an easel. diskripochki. they even have a pen only soul and heart, which she roars every time, and if

she lives in a pink bathroom, and what will she play with? no, why do we always want to know about fate, where will the worms come from? where? well, look how many eras personally. watched tatyana ivanovna pre-revolutionary fuck, twenties and thirties, when, in general, she was also threatened by war in the thirties, but his lster's request was formally unsuitable, because there was no education. no, not that's why, because then it had already arrived, well, it was the restoration of all the germans and her. by the way , who saved them when they wanted to send them with their mother, uh, where it doesn't get colder. do not remember the tenth theater, they entered into important status people. well, just like they didn't help all the time. well, i only know the story about the fact that patiatru colleagues stood up for her and her father, that is, yes, they made

some kind of sheet, gave them armor, they continued to work. everything worked out. in general, she absorbed this ethic. in general, she didn’t broadcast already in the years or later this one, these a behavior that she received from all previous eras, therefore , in fact, she was such a role-playing old woman, well, in a good way. in a broad sense, a grandmother and for many generations of soviet viewers, because they received these values, through this i then played some roles for this. remember the movie you didn’t dream about, where she turns it all over, where, as if we already have a relationship, she will show us, again , this kind grandmother, and she turns everything upside down. listen, not necessarily. as you know, it is not necessary to live on the street to play, you know, a bum in a. she was talented, that's why

uh, creative fantasy, acting, uh, allowed me to play anything and imagine, yes, put it like this three sisters irina zelyonaya, formerly a pensioner. i was just born to me, by the way, and for this to be actually, fireworks are not needed. this is not necessary. here is the effect. i remind you of this podcast of the letter, stanislav didinsky and actress elena valyushkina tatyana ivanovich pelter worked for many years in the theater of satire, where she did not have a relationship with low directors for all her and she followed mark zakharov. he just put on a show. and when he left, uh, let's link. she just followed him. she realized that this is, well, like a man leaves for the director for his own, she left for him. by the way, already very, very aged.

and i even have a letter mark zakharov called her our grandmother. she was cheerful all her life, desperate from the very beginning, other things, five criticized me, what is happening in our life, how a person can’t do anything. so he immediately climb director. she did not yet know that we would have love. and what she will follow me completely. she believed me when ranevskaya and her friend said, tanya is a wonderful performance. and you play great. was it friendship with you georgievna remember they had a story when there was some kind of carnival or what is new year's eve and everyone had to come in some original costumes and faina georgievna who put a goose in a hat, a goose carcass, thought that she, uh, won and defeated everyone, and then you don’t know this story came. no, i'll say all mad bagels. that she had little dryers in her ears. instead of earrings, bracelets were in jars. and times. one should remember that they were very

hungry and when faina georgievna realized that she was losing and she would be the star of this evening, he sharply criticized her that bread was such blasphemy. well, and so on, however, when they quarreled. and although oh how many hair dryer george blasphemous things. it was done anyway, she was friends, she was friends, despite the fact that her character is like that. yes, he was, maybe even she was a little bit. i would like to play it. yes everything is here they should stand, what you smell like some kind of canteen, that means that, but because when she played, uh, strange mrs. earlier, yes, but vera petrovna moretskaya came to her and said no sweatshirt. they dream and she gave her role. uh,

on television with a mask, it's worth a lot, because, well, i don't know of modern actresses. who who will allow their role to give. like this, there was probably some kind of internal motivation on tv, because to say that she was bent like this with her head bowed, she said directly, please, healed the roses for everyone. no, of course , by the way, and incited both young actresses and not very young ones. here i wouldn’t fall into charm, but you can see that there was something with vera as a mask or with this role in her, well, some kind of internal. maybe you know, well, i won’t say, i don’t know the subtleties, after all , ranevskaya’s biography, i just wanted to add a little. that's what mana, of course, yes, when she begins to tell her biography, kina's biography, of course, first of all remembers, what she actually is. she wasn't that old, but she consciously exploited the role of these old women and older women and what is 45 years today? she starred on the edge of the steering wheel, which glorified

us all over the country, but she was there in her 50s . but a, in principle, she played the role of her own mother, yes, a boy of military age, but at the same time she looks clearly older in the film. yes, faina georgievna also added everything about herself, and she also played this game in her life. uh, she wasn't so sick and it wasn't so hard for her to walk, but how would she i surrounded myself with people who helped to descend, who accompanied me. well, this was such a game around e yes, she is a hooligan. i just understand, uh, i have what story happened? i did one show. yes, and now, so i have familiar videos that are amazing, which communicate with the souls of the dead, let's say, this can be treated as you like. ah, but i know what it is. for example, faina georgievna returned to the theater. when i left, there was such

a story, and it comes through dreams. and once when i was filming, she means, and when i came to the theater, she was already dead, because i came to see her last performance. the truth is good about happiness, it's better than the productions of sergei yurievich yursky. and when the season began, she had already died, that is, we did not know her. but, uh, she began to dream when they, uh, brought me back to the theater to their friend, because he saw her in the theater, she went. but she was friends with tatyana ivanovna, everyone knows this very well, because when tatyana ivanovna had some kind of anniversary. they even sent me to lenkom ya i just came to the theater with a portrait of ranevskaya with flowers, so i came to give tatyana, a portrait of nevsky, flowers, recklessly on your part. why because this is for us faina georgievna in general, and not a single field of berries and danis tells me, do you know what you are doing? i say, i'm filming.

he says ranevskaya dreamed she said they sang for a day, and she loved to sing, uh, fried potatoes with mushrooms and cherry liqueur. you come today after filming, because ranevskaya said she loved singing very much. let the little one come, then after filming it's frying potatoes with mushrooms, uh, and cherry liqueur to drink, and i think, lord, in honor of whom i will do all this, because my mushrooms always have these fresh frosts. i freeze them , cook them, and then fry them with potatoes for a year. i went to the store for a cherry olive. no, i bought it and bought cherries , i distributed it, i saw it all, it all mixed up , i put a candle, i fried jerusalem, i have everything. eh, that's it, rightly regretted the potatoes fried with mushrooms and i'm sitting, i think in whose honor, i 'll arrange it all. they sang, they sang, i climbed into the e, into internet and i see that, in the old style, the birthday of tatyana ivanovna is a singer. which

loved, means fried potatoes with mushrooms. in honor of her, this one from there from outer space, so fain georgievna, asked me to celebrate her birthday. so favorite pellet. please tell me, but fine georgievna was very unhappy with her fate as an actor. uh, she thought she hadn't played anything in theater or movies. but i keep thinking about how she was awarded. all of us are inconceivable, but the government loved her and celebrated and a high-rise apartment was also given to my sister. and at that time she had the right to return from paris, for this she was not only imprisoned, but allowed to live, she went abroad to her relatives. then they were afraid to mention that she went to visit relatives abroad. all her life she was friends with this man with shoulder straps from the organs. yes, but at the same time he told everyone that she was not recruited and was very unhappy. i think that faina georgievna has a brilliant e, and a film career has developed. theatrical career

that she did it, but how different everything is . we make a role for ourselves. well, she had such a huge resentment, although i now uh hmm well , i can’t imagine that, for example, she could play from the classical repertoire, i can’t imagine, and tatyana ivanovna pelter was more grateful. well, as if fate, what do you think, she was pleased. here is your fate. it seems to me that her character was lighter. and look, she was very sociable. you say you played cards with your people at night. uh yes, colleagues are not hard to imagine playing cards all the time with was dissatisfied with something. the character, probably, yes, because tatyana ivanovna was so bathed in love in the theater in the lenkom. here it is around blowing. this is for men in general. yes, young men, they loved her very much. i didn't like in my arms.

she told vitya everything, yes, she was always in the spotlight, always the kingdom of heaven abdulov simply adored her and was always next to her and they joked, told jokes even when tatyana ivanovna lost. uh, well, space and time and she went out, uh, sasha forgot to me told sugar. she, she says, went out once on an advance payment to her son and said good people, forgive me for the visual case. i don't understand where i am and why and how the audience bowed and said. it just collapsed right here. one day, she says, she came out. well, when sasha abdulov insured her. she went out for some reason, tucking in her dress in pantyhose. uh-huh and he beat her so, but all this, that as if it should have been so conceived, she gave love, and she received it in return in return. and after all already even,

when she practically has turned. yah imagining nothing at all. she continued to take the stage. and sasha her. e, the text spoke for her and answered and that's it. i mean, she just was. well, for a last name. well, yes, she deserves it. well, there are such, there are such, in every theater there are such grandmothers, and there is such an actor’s tale, when mark zakharov invited leonid of the lenin komsomol armored theater, the master was at first surprised how i would look next to the komsomol members, but after thinking, she said, but on the other hand. you have an eternal pioneer serving there. tatyana pelterek. i am there with her because of october it touches the going. again , whether you said it, don't say it, it's true, well, everything is overgrown, you know, rumors rumors rumors. well , look, in what a great shape. uh pelzer. yes, in the adventures of a yellow suitcase or cutter.

she climbs there, climbs on balconies, rides on and who said that you went into her room, and not you said that you entered her room during the filming, and she was doing yoga naked absolutely not. well, yes, let's go, they say that there were no housekeepers. i agree. i really couldn't get into it. and yes, yes, i would not released memoirs of a housekeeper. and once i open the door, i go in and see bare legs on the floor, it seems like tatyana ivanovna is lying. i was scared, i think dead anya is me, come in screaming, i go in and see tatyana ivanovna completely naked on the floor and doing exercises and such complex exercises and repeated everything. me that, i also need to do physical education. well, listen, just exercise. you can put it into cards all night, and then get up and shoot in the morning, in general, it was very compact and you weren’t like that

story. once, at a general meeting in the theater , the famous actor boris novikov was tested for drunkenness, most of the actors kept quiet, but not tatiana pelter. she described drunken adventures in all colors. novikova and in addition, she read him a lecture , looked at the alcohol, offended novikov exclaimed in his hearts, and you are tatyana ivanovna help. lchali no one loves you, except the people. and no one loves you, except for the people, this is good, but at the same time i had good relations. actually. it's more like a skirmish with mark anatolievich. well, in general, uh, hmm , he had a special relationship with all his artists. he simply idolized them, and because of this they flourished and created even more, and they wanted to do everything and everything. and she was so nimble, so nimble , i think, my god, how i want to be like this in my old age, like this nimble nimble little

old woman joke, just thinks, here, you just understand, yes, how lucky are you in general? on this planet. yes, you could, with your beauty , rush about like a chicken with an egg, and die from in order for some extra wrinkles to appear gravity somewhere something extra pounds crawled and so on. and you were not afraid of him , you passed very pleased. eh, a new plow, sharp and characteristic, and thus saved and extended itself. you understand what a rarity it is among actresses, but with an appearance like yours, and you could go crazy with pizza, for example, yes or, for example, young young ordinary artists, they say, would do endless plastic surgery. and this is because there was someone like tatyana nearby ivanovna because when you look

at people like that, i’m going to that, that once you, but deliciously abandoned you, how do you want to be such a lively old woman, yes, yes. yes, well, and in general, the young remained young they love me, yes, our young people in the theater, they love me, yes, so yes, yes, yes, yes, when such an example is life indefinitely, that is, as long as you have health and the desire to work will always work for you. it's just that there was a moment when it was before now they don't sin very much. this actress used to be very sinful, when they played roles that were inappropriate for their age. it was. it was so terrible and it was very pitiful, but inna mikhailovna churikova played without the guilt of the guilty. well, at an advanced age. e with french manicure. e. hmm i haven't seen that 18 year old heroine. well, so i will not part with the komsomol such a theatrical theatrical

history, because in the cinema it is practically impossible. it was a movie. but yes, well, television. well it was that's it in the movies. that's why there won't be all spas. objects when it is possible to rejuvenate a dyner by 60 years and the season will play a young boy practically. well, and now all the same hmm actors. uh, the young actress is not like he was in my youth. the e were able to secure themselves with the help of their agents. i don’t know the producers from the rot of older actresses, because when i was, but you and i started at the same time, yes, the young beautiful spread rot, and you didn’t have, and you couldn’t complain to anyone or any actress who is there was behind on and her belt was already leaving. she could drive with you. just not necessary, well, it's disgusting. i believe now there is no such. therefore, i also started

the program with the question, how did tatyana ivanovna from you such a blue-eyed blonde, there was absolutely love. this is a plus. uh, as they say today, feed her some kind of illness, but she was easy on the screen, no matter who she played, you didn’t even dream of this evil grandmother. she was good good. i have left of her. only uh, some memories are very wonderful. and by the way, recently recently, how much time ago. maybe several months. maybe back again tribute to me says, listen, dreamed of a pelzert, she cried so much, she cried, and said little. tell me, please, take out my things, take out my things from somewhere, either from the dressing room leaves throws out throws out. let her help. i say lord well, how can i help? i don't even know where this is coming from. where does it all come from? well, in any case, and she , uh, asked for something to help her, apparently, they were taking it out from somewhere, maybe from the theater, maybe from the make-up room. maybe some

things she remembered for a long time. and now we are so with a kind word, her address, maybe i 'm wondering, i'm wondering what they will then uh, because they will definitely dream, they will definitely say something. uh, because m-m , we went further we watched a play in lenkom, but now, well, maybe three years ago, and he sees them. he sees them from time to time. uh, because when we were walking we were going for a massage. zakharova invited me to the performance, and we walked hmm from the service entrance from the service entrance. we were passing by, and they were definitely being pestered by one of those who here in this place lives and to him e, appeared as leon and and and i hear. yes, he doesn’t go and say, i don’t know where your written book is. i don't know no me. i say, lord, who came to you, whether he asks for some kind of notebook or some kind, but his uh, this, lord, what is it called, then he didn’t penetrate, didn’t penetrate. and when we started watching the play. he friend says, do you know who is standing

on the side and on the stage? i say who's pepper, by the way she's crying. because every theater has its own phantom, its own phantom of the opera. not at all fools wrote, we have the phantom of the opera ranevskaya and there, i think, maybe tatyana ivanovenko, so that they will not be forgotten, so that, uh, this information is, in some way, it was reliable, that if you referred, yes, there, let's say its theaters are linked to be believed. today you write and remember to whom everything is everything, and there absolutely it is overgrown with some kind of lie that is bit by bit out of your head. yes, what he told me, for example, you see, the late proskurin, who worked with her. and even more so, there for 40 years it didn’t make sense for me to fool your head, you’re deceiving, because that she wasn't my heroine, you know? well , yes, last time there was a hooligan for sure, there was a hooligan. well, when you say bully, bully. well, you know, when here is a person who can afford something what? well, you know,

here there is hmm i need myself somehow. keep, so that god forbid no one saw, no one knew that i am a princess, you know, but this is not a princess. she can run somewhere with someone at night to go on tour. yes, with some artists somewhere, yes, go there, i don’t know how much i loved the young men, you know, whatever you want with them. yes, here, of course, for sure in it. it was in her. it would feel good if the theater er organized it into some er into some book, you can be in some edition. yes, we had a performance to take the karamazovs where the whole troupe played. uh, kholmsky's performance, everyone was elected, that is, this, and now we have 100 people in the pipe. well, then, too, there were ninety-eighty people there, that's all, because the pavement, er, the ramaz brothers, means the father of the karamazov. plyat means brothers tin.

teplov of a yurteraturka, then ir muravyov's valery is a game. that is, the theater - it's all buzzing. all of a sudden, this feeling was generally amazing theater and and everything began, because chomsky hmm so, uh, the performance began without a curtain. eh, the main characters were all standing on the stage, that is, without fifteen families, everyone came to the hall. and we are all on stage. and we mean these from the wet. i just came to the theatre. we mean, in what canvas shirts, it means that everything is extras extras and around. uh, the beach is gone played. relax, i played karamazov's father sergei sergeevich, an amazing actor, not just an extraordinary one, and he was sitting on a chair right on the bath, and we were around him. and i'm like the smallest young, which means i'm so walking out of the wet. i sat on his lap. and so he told everything for 15 minutes, who is with whom. who goes where

who why does it mean about all the rules about moretsk, and i'm young, out of stupidity, nothing. it wasn't really recorded. not well, there is some sort of prosir valentine, my beloved crazy and that's it. this is this, this is 15, and we were sitting what he had to talk about something quietly, and he means that all these stories are youth. i how i regret the kingdom never. i was 20. he told me about valentina ulyana, when this happened. in this whole nightmare and now he tells me. i think i want to smoke, go somewhere with the gypsies. you see, i'm 23. i want to know something. he told me somewhere behind zuzu who is this malyavin, who did she slaughter or not slaughter there, and he cried, he did not tell him. why, when he's already gone. but you understand you will have your time for everything. and now i think what a fool. he cried. he wanted to share something very important for him with something, which i would remember telling today, and how important it is, but i didn’t

let him do this, because he saw how bored i was. hear how i 'm interested, i did not know who these people are some forty-year-olds. i collect from time to time. uh, memories because we don't have much left either. unfortunately. well, i've been in the theater for almost 40 years and, uh, i'm fucked. uh, i took it rasstislav, yanych this is how he brought me to the theater, and i'm with so many here's to e tremble, yeah, like that. so we talked with a pen with a pen, yes, and on the stage there was both and and and and they took me by the hand like that. uh what uh hmm i'm just taking notes now. i'm just asking. uh, everyone, so that they give me our remaining uh, artists who would still be in the theater for me and now they are, so that they quietly record something and tell me there, because, well, it’s some kind of incredible completely , but history,

because we have a theater. these are such great names. there you just walk around the stage, sometimes they simply shock you and congratulate you on the new director, they say, get enough of him. yes, we can not at all, yes, we are so delighted. we are in such an east, here is a handsome man, he is physically handsome. and, well, first of all, he, first of all, he's just a completely different story. it's just a completely different story, great respect, love, and almost nothing anyway, he loves actors. he allows. there's a lot in every corner of the rehearsal, please. do you want to do happiness is just extraordinary happiness, because began to work those who, uh, have long been sitting with her covered, you understand? and so much we want to talk, and of course in the format of one program, which is constantly tatiana pelter. this is impossible. we need to meet more often, yes, yes. and tatyana ivanovna is just me saying, this is my idol. this is me, this is me in my old age. and

how it was on the court, when you interacted beautifully, she listen, this is a professional, this is a professional. excuse this knowledge of the text - that's 10 takes, because we filmed it. sorry in soviet times, when the film was necessary show and no one sits under the camera with a piece of paper, you don’t show how today no one wants to learn the text, young people say that there are all assistants for this. that is simply not this knowledge of the text. this desire to do this and that and everything, and to run. and if there are 10 doubles, i will run 10 doubles. eh, well, that's incredible. thank you, my friends, i remind you, it was a podcast of letters, historians were my guests, but stanislavsky and actress elena

valyushkina. the creative industry podcast on channel one is still hosted by elena hyper clipmaker and producer and roman karmanov media manager and general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives and our guests a magnificent couple acting family egor beroev and ksenia alferova hello. hello , before the broadcast, a fifteen-minute discussion about the name, by the way, it also captures me terribly, because, in general, the definition of the creative industry has arisen. e, three or four years ago, then no one knew anything about him at all, and to be honest, because. i said lena i am a media manager. i generally worked in the media, which has always considered itself a separate industry, generally speaking, just like in general, the film industry and industries. in general, any other, and then in the end everything, in general, is not so. here, i'm

listening to you now. nela, why do i have all the words of your name? you just need to explain to the viewer why there was a discussion , the discussion began with what i said that i didn’t understand, not a single uh, well, like a word from the name, what it means, that it doesn’t cause in me an associative series. it's just that, for example, i understand that now, uh, this trend is not only our country of the whole world. uh, everything has become an industry. yes, in the industry, the word creativity is withdrawn from this process with terrible force at the school level , i don’t know how to plant it there. maybe she stayed. just yesterday i talked with teachers in a geek, for example, if we are talking about the kin industry, and these are nightmares, horror. it 's real horror nightmares, but they just soak up the actors, then like, uh, then, i mean, now it's come down to the industry to the money to ratings, that is, tamping is absolutely, that is, there is no soul in it, and this does not contradict so much, in general, the spirit of our country and the spirit

of what we did. that is, because creativity, in a good sense, implies chaos, such a kind of creative disorder , when it doesn’t exist, when everything is bureaucratized, and now everything is extremely taken everywhere, then creativity disappears, then for the sake of what all this was created in general remains a bare industry that no one needed by the viewer. she is not needed. it's very well know because i'm there 7 years, as we have seen. lately, i just can't count. and i'm not in this sense, non- industrial people do not want to count, therefore they refuse to be in the industry. allah as far as people i am 7 years old. i have an author’s project there, which was started not for the industry, not for money, but for the sake of ideas and for the needs of my personal human, yes , in a conversation in a dialogue, in order to read , i don’t know to tell about what people are interested in is called literary graying. stripped off. all. here, i just know what people tell me and how much they miss it, nor the industry from creativity. well, as if alive my burning