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of the gorky literary institute alexei varlamov and my guest today author of the biography of the strugatsky brothers , science fiction writer anton viktorovich molchanov and you know what other question i have. and here they never named andrey platonov among their, er, writers whom they read they, of course, i read him, but they didn’t name him in the first row, because i why did i speak platonov, right? platonov has something in common. in his youth, there was also such a super-communist, a super big age, but he is absolutely passionate about this red idea, absolutely utopian, which is very important, the science fiction writer was simply antonova before - this fantastic prose. his stories tell him a branded path, but then he also has a certain yes, for the future - this is already a crisis, a breakdown occurs. and this is a utopian. he writes chavengur, writes a foundation pit, uh, writes the juvenile sea and other things that have a completely different assessment of

what is happening in the country, but the strugatskys really do, because, it seems, history. yes , it breaks at some point. so you say, this is an attempt to escape - it's hard to be god - these are the predatory things of the age. although practical things. century it is also very curious that and this is the story of the action that takes place, well, after all , let's say in the capitalist world. yes, this action is taking place the consumer society, which at that time was hardly present in the soviet union so much. although, yes, the class of philistinism. it is clear that this is such an anti-meschanian orientation in literature. she felt it, but still. i read somewhere that boris natanovich and already after the death of arkadyevna itachi already, when we already had all the nineties zero, he said that of all the models this is the least bad, that concerns the predatory things of the age. understand the world that is depicted there. this is such a little unfinished communism. that is, this is it, because they show the island of the last of this, uh, capitalism. yes, but all over the world

it is already communism; all over the world, everything is already fine. and in principle, it’s already not bad there either, that is, they pity these people, these miserable people who don’t understand anything but flat pleasures. they don’t think about anything except there, like vodka and drugs, they are treated with some pity. well, in general they are no longer going to be destroyed, and therefore the world is in general the predatory things of the century. he is kind enough and the most amazing and insipid in this, in my opinion, even in the comments passed. in any case, in his online interviews, he spoke about this more than once, that this is the only book in which he managed to guess a lot. that is, it was no longer a technical implementation, for example, they guessed the internet a long time ago, when they came up with a large worldwide informatorium. it was described very, so to speak, in detail. that there is this pure internet come up with things. this is in the late fifties. these are the very first stories, which then entered the noon of the twenty-second century, and that's where the big world informator appears. that is, when there is a person anywhere in the world, well, through some kind of big screen.

he enters such a worldwide network and, so to speak, recognizes everything is updated clearly and completely described on the internet, but these are their technical, predictions, of which there are many scattered in different ways to their works somewhere exactly and somewhere inaccurate, just the internet is one of the clearest such examples. but social diagnostics are accurate and only in predatory things. i 'm surprised that no filmmakers have made this film so far. although there were several attempts, and even your obedient servant did scenario development quite recently. it’s a pity that we couldn’t launch this film project, because it’s insanely relevant today. yes, but we ’ll definitely talk about cinema. until then , let's get back. here's to this crisis that happened in the sixties. here is leonid leonov, who, by the way, they, too, like me i understand further they respected the ocean, but such a wonderful aphorism, an obsolete dream becomes poison, but, as it seems to me, really, when a person has such a breakdown , there is disappointment in the idea that

he devoted his life to his book gave so much strength. by the way, this is what platonov had, and the strugatskys, as it were, had their own story. and here, of course, there is also an important era. yes , here is the conflict between khrushchev and the intelligentsia. yes , when he shouted at these poor artists and name-calling obscene words, yes, and then, well, in the sixty-eighth year, yes, tanks in prague . then, in general, the end of the thaw, these brezhnev times, stagnation, censorship, and the screws are being tightened, and they are resisting this. yes, they give an artistic response to all these phenomena and in a sense , the deterioration of the social situation in the country had a beneficial effect on their work, because it made them think , made them react, and hence, as it seems to me, it turns out. here is a philosophical snail on the slope, and then they appear, and ugly swans a and a fairy tale about three around the same time. yes, this is the middle of the second half, and in the

sixties, a certain conflict really begins with the strugatskys. e systems their things, without their knowledge, get back, but look, they were not the only writers. whose things got back, and they themselves, in my opinion, wrote somewhere or someone wrote about them, that the algorithm of actions was like this if a soviet writer was published without his knowledge. he should write a letter to protest there somewhere. very funny like arcadia natanycha called. and ilyin and the kgb general who looked after soviet writers asked him. do you know what nts mts machine tractor station is. no, like the cops of the people's labor union, this is an emigrant organization, an anti-soviet magazine sowing, where the ugly swans were published and demanded to write a letter and they wrote this letter, of course, there were writers who did not write such songs. yes, there were writers who

went frankly in the conflict of the system, well, solzhenitsyn, the most striking example were writers, who migrated because, well, they could not create here, because there is not enough freedom here, and so on arkadina and boris natash a jew, who in this sense, as if god himself ordered. well, at least the opportunity to leave for them was easier and easier than someone else had. here they have firmly made a choice for themselves that they remain here. and as i understand it in their relations with the authorities, they have identified such a specific feature. yes, what is it, what is possible, what is impossible, and they seemed to be balancing on this line, so as not to slide into a frank dissidence, but at the same time to remain oneself to maintain one's dignity as a writer. here, i understand it correctly. quite right. yes, because fugatsky and they talked about it and anyone who counts their biography and understands that they were never dissidents, uh, open, yes, that is, they never signed any letters, and they never came. uh,

well, how there were a lot of dissidents among their friends. that is, of course, they could support something there and in the end . they could perform somewhere and with scenes and just say something to publish in the west and some calls for previews to western journalists. they gave in the theatre. they abstained. from this. they behaved themselves enough insulting themselves cautiously. they really appreciated, uh, their reader. here they appreciated. well, they just really loved this country, and they wanted to live here, and i didn't want to write. here they wanted to communicate with people. here they never had the thought of leaving the country ever well. well, again, i want to repeat this my thoughts that truly talented people the theme is different, that they can do anything that is turned against them. turn in your favor, yes, what the strugatsky brothers did more and more. it was such a philosophical, serious, social prose that raised very important issues. and let's say one of the problems, as i see it, that's how much

i remember how i read them. eh, it was. this means, uh, in a certain period, the heroes of uh, the strugatskys, uh, communism will come. yes, and it is important for them to show that communism is not just a time when there is a supermarket in which there is only no cashier where are you paying off? and take whatever you want. no communism this time is a society in which it is good to live, because there you can do your own thing, be creative. there will be a fight. there will be new challenges and one of those challenges is the idea of ​​progression. yes, that means along with our planet, which is already this noon, the 20 second century will reach a certain perfection. there are other worlds that are at lower stages of development and, accordingly, earthlings send their agents send these progressors in these pres with the aim of helping those humanoid beings, people who live there and there are multi-ethical problems. is it necessary to help, is it necessary to intervene, is it not necessary, how to help and actually it is difficult to be god as

i understand it, yes, there and even running away is all about it, but further, as they grow, a certain disappointment in what happens, or rather, it doesn't work. here the earth itself, our society turns into a potential object of influence of some more developed civilizations, which in the same way can come to earth and try to solve our issues as well. actually about this, as i understand it, beetles beetle in ant wind, and waves wind and ugly swans about it, of course, in a sense, well, yes, these are the children who mean choose this other, well, in greece - it is also property in ugly swans. it's even more so unconscious. that's right there with the idea. aggression, yes, i agree that it is logically connected, but there it is not explicit, and in the anthill beetle it really is when maxim kamir by the way, it becomes already, as if experimental

rabbits, so to speak, are already in the hands of completely different forces. well, before that he was, why would i return to the story of the ugly swans and it is really very interesting, and there, of course, a very interesting image of this protagonist of the writer vector baniva. yes, in which some even guess the features of vladimir vysotsky, for example, as i understand it, there, in fact, the strugatsky e, the arcadian was friends there. oh my god this seed. even there he took some, and his lines were poetically simply asked for a song, so to speak, there it is, but still, very important for strugatsky's themes are a theme, a theme of education, and a moment that exists in earlier works. if you can't save everyone, if you can't help everyone. that it is necessary to help the most talented, that is, a bet is made on the elite. and as i understand it, some of the claims that strugatsky expressed were precisely in this, on such a social

preference. yes, such social segregation is going on, that we are working with a talented one, but the rest is, as it were. well, here, here it is a gray mass, you can’t do anything with it. she drinks, eats, copulates and god with her. but there is talented talented, it is necessary to help the talented, it is necessary to educate the talented, it is necessary to promote. this is, as it were , one of those ideas that the strugatskys have and sometimes they turn this idea against them, because they see it in it. here is some such. well, social discrimination, to put it mildly, sometimes harsher definitions are used , do you agree with that or not? well, i agree that the early strugatskys, uh , had a lot of naivety in terms of this social segregation. they are in their uh cycle here this er, noon 22nd century. yes, these are the stories that were combined into a novel and which later, so to speak, a number of other works were created in the same world. they, uh, formulated for themselves such

a high theory of education. uh-huh. and then they already talked with boris natalievich. i often tried to figure out talking. what is high theory? you somehow painted it, at least in the theses, right? no, it generally says this theory. we just came up with such a beautiful name, but in fact they didn’t have any high theory in reality. they they did not own any no art of education. they were quite, so to speak, in-line pedagogy. let's just say they never really taught anything. yes, even with your children. in general, they had big problems. that is, this is not the case when they could not educate someone, here. here it is here some naivety. yes, such bolshevik naivete. but let's take all the children away from their parents and they will be brought up by some abstract brilliant teachers who will beat them with the best qualities. a parents will not teach anything good, because parents say, do as i do, but they themselves did badly. this past will be replicated into the future.

this was an idea that was characteristic of it, expressed by a very young strugatsky , for some reason he liked it terribly, and then, of course, over the years they realized they did not abandon this high theory of education, no matter how defiantly they remained in this world future. firstly, they are their own world, the future is essentially with the latest story to extinguish the waves, the wind, in general, buried and, of course, they themselves disappointed in this theory, that is, over the years they already wisely assessed all this, so to speak, and spoke. well, of course, this is wrong, of course, children should be raised by parents. of course there are eternal values. and this is all wrong. now, and they no longer adhered to this theory. and if we talk about what he personally told me, boris anatolyevich, he says, well, of course, well, every person is talented in something. you just need to be able to open this product another thing i would really like talk, of course, it's about cinema. yes , that's about how their works were reflected in the cinema. here, of course, the most important thing, stalker, we will talk about this, but i would also like to say that i have always been fascinated

by their story, which they themselves did not place very highly on. this is the hotel of the deceased climber. so, i just admire this thing with such a, well, from the point of view of handicraft, they may be, for them it is not the most important idea there on but how is it done there is the image of this one child, yes, which for a long time is incomprehensible a boy or girl. this is a child, because it's just super. but the film adaptation of this thing seemed to me not very successful, because it is so very serious, such an estonian film, very seriously filmed. and they have it cheerful , modest, light cool. that's exactly the same as the baby, which they also, in my opinion, did not like very much, but so, let's move on to this topic. in my opinion. perhaps the most interesting one is stalker's roadside picnic, because that's where the clash is, as it doesn't appear to be very talented writers. and as he said boris nanonovich with a titan, because the undisputed genius andrei tarkovsky pays

attention to their story and makes me know how it turned out. i watched the movie stalker again as a very young man. it was the first film of tarkovsky that i saw, and there the audience left somewhere and the cool superfing watched it five times. just baldell from this movie filmed. there, based on the story of the strugatskys, picnic on the roadside, which i did not read kazakh, it was hard to find, then i read picnic on the roadside roadside and was disappointed that stalker is much more interesting stalker is much better. a picnic on fire, what is it now? i recently re-read picnic i didn’t understand anymore that i was wrong and the books are on the sidelines, a super thing, a great thing, of course, but still, but stalker is stalker and that’s in my opinion. why is this happening, because the strugatskys and, it seems to me, that's what they are. well, what was lacking, it cannot be said that it was lacking, but still, the world of the strugatskys is a world without religion, this is a world in which there is no god.

whatever their currency, not like absolutely convinced of atheists are exactly materialists. although arkady tanovich seemed to believe. there, in flying saucers , there are still some such rational ones, but it turns out that in their literary world there is none. here is this upper floor, which is always present in great russian literature. whom we would not take. and pushkin and platonic bulgakov and anyone else who is in this film, and actually , it seems to me that tarkovsky showed the strugatskys with this film what you guys are missing. here, look what i'm with yours. beautiful i made real cinema a work of art with a capital letter as the material, because art is only art when there is faith, when there is god, when there is an aspiration for higher values, and the strugatskys clearly hurt them. and so. actually , it seems to me, their later such a certain theomachism. even some of

the blasphemy that is present in the story is burdened with evil. here is such an evil parody of uh, john the theologian, that's what you think about it, well, i would not say that this is completely blasphemy. eh, just burdened with evil there is a kind of struggle between here with such a soviet such resistance to theomachism and resistance, because they are already starting there. well, in his declining years, what is called as all people begin, uh, some thoughts about the eternal, and they are already much more serious about god and specifically about christ, and yet there the image of christ is written out very respectfully. that is, there, well, there is absolutely no arrogance. and there are even some creative discoveries there, that is, it is presented very interestingly. i understand that there, of course, all this in the context, so to speak, is already very large literature. yes, of this kind, but this book is different from all of them, it was written before that,

so even here the strugatskys changed. although uh, they certainly have remained at the same level i love to quote. e from the early stories of the interns, when ivan zhilin asks the boy. yura borodin is a trainee, he says, you can buy it, he says no, you don’t believe in god, he is frightened. he is our man, that is , the strugatskys, these two questions are on an equal footing, that is, both of them are not good. here and this, here is that not too long life, and carried it yes, that is, really believe in god. this is some kind of absurdity for them, this is not necessary. here, well, of course, it changes over the years , when his attitude changes, therefore, yes, they are completely atheists, but still it happens. and now, returning to tarkovsky, i’ll say, well, about this film, i not only, uh, so to speak , thought a lot on purpose, yes, and devoted a whole chapter to it, because it’s not just a movie, it really is. here are the main films in life.

here, secondly, i was lucky while working on this book to get acquainted with evgeniy zinc, who was for some time the second director on nastalke and who recently. that's literally last year. finally released his book the birth of the stalkers terrific book. i recommend everyone to read it. that's where he said it. well, that's it, that's how the stalker was created. i know a lot about it in great detail, so, well, and tarkovsky, i always loved it very much. and so , when you said that you watched stalkers literally, so to speak, were shocked by the film, and then you were disappointed with roadside picnic, so i had exactly reverse situation. i'd be blown away by a roadside picnic. well, it was and still is one of my favorite things. so here are a few things that turned me around. yes , that's probably where it begins it's hard to be god like everyone else there roadside picnic and definitely ugly swans. there are such just favorite books that i, uh, even there i have a special relationship with the baby, but that's another story. here and there roadside picnic

for me was a thing that i immediately rated incredibly highly. she is an amazing thing. this is not just some action movie about some bandit who went to the zone, this is a philosophical thing. and this ending that explodes. it's just that, absolutely amazing. and of course, when i expected this from the film. i didn't see any of this. i saw a completely different movie, then already, when i watched it, the second, third, fifth, there was the sixth time of this stalkers of course already. that different impression, especially when i was revisiting stalker as a very mature person, when i was writing the book, and when i was revising it now, having reread the cymbal book, of course, this quite a different impression. i would already know so much and understand so much, including in the cinema, but this is a mismatch of position, but this is also wonderful, because real films are based on the works of the greats. they must be unique. they must be they must be created. the same is equal to the great directors and so on.

it turns out, here an amazing chance met, two geniuses and the strugatsky brothers yevgeny of tarkovsky, of course, something simple and easy could not come out of this, of course, the universe resisted there, and well , everyone knows this story, how the film was ruined. yes, in general, he was filmed there three times. it's just that the script was written nine or there 12 times they lost count, and the film was shot three times, that is, there was the first second third stalkers is incredible. and yet , this masterpiece was born. that's it, there is, of course, this, but i'll also say about the cinema that we really won't list all the adaptations there now. they remembered the hotel of the deceased climber, but the director is kromanov, well, who is romanov now look there in kinopoisk look well , well, everything else in general, it is not known what he was filming. not well, there is herman yes, well, so there were also, so to speak, several such directors who, so to speak, filmed the strugatskys there in different years. we will not name it, but the important thing is that the works of the strugatskys, during their lifetime, managed

to turn to the three most, in general, great directors herman and tarkovsky. that is, it is not accidental, because it is really very subtle. it's very high. this is real prose, which real directors could not help noticing. well, thank you very much anton viktorovich for the conversation for this fascinating conversation about the strugatsky brothers and i think that our conversation should become an occasion. i would like to re-read their books again, go back to them, review the films that were made based on these books and once again say thanks to these two wonderful authors, two writers , two brothers, and arkady and boris strugatsky, alexei varlamov, the writer rector of the literary institute, was with you. today we talked with anton molchonov about the biography strugatsky brothers - this was a podcast dedicated to the strugatsky brothers. fasting and

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they came up with something about me, i don’t wait, wait, lord, you are my trump. this is vanya dmitrienko, a bath. hello dear thank you, the person whose songs sounded 2 million times because of its effect, and he is 17 years old for a second, unfortunately valya is absent today, and she is now rooting for her man for alexander stone, and she is there now and in in general, we want to convey a huge hello to her. she wants to give you these applause is important. and i want to immediately move on to the trump cards, because you are the two artists that all of russia knows you have a huge army of fans, and i'm sure they don't know your entire biography, so now we'll play one game called pravda or not true, and i will ask. and ivan questions to you about polina polin, respectively, i will ask you

questions with rights. your task is to guess. true or false, do not tell each other. fine. so pauline's first question for you. what do you think, is it true that vanya is 13 years handing out leaflets on the street? i think everything is possible, why not. it's a good thing to make money. he did it a lot. better. it's true that i was recently invited to a birthday party at this e- bar that handed out flyers. i handed out flyers to people and gave them this, uh, piece of paper. they had to bring it to the bar to get a drink, and they gave me 100 rubles for one leaflet. and i was there for korephanil with the bartender. he took already at the beginning of the shift 20 leaflets. i already had a deposit of 2.000. and i gave it to some people, and it was a blizzard, minus 30 and my mother said i was in the studio. eh, i write songs, but i really wanted to earn money so that i wouldn’t ask my mother for a bow. and now the question is for you. lip that polina has a personal

chef. i visited once. i just didn't see the personal chef, i only saw my son. maybe i'm more than sure pauline can afford it, but i just haven't seen it, so i'll say, no, i'm telling you, take an extra minute. well, i say, yes, well done, i got it, and it's true polina, please tell me why your personal chef? he’s cooking something specific right now, this is a family chef who comes every other day. he cooks for the whole family. that's why i wouldn't call it a personal chef. it's just that person who gives me food by itself and uh, well, just on such a schedule, and it's basically impossible to have time to live at all, so at least here in the car i eat homemade food to discover my favorite of all, what the chef's cooking about the duck pate is fantastic. he himself prepares packages called. don't don't don't flatter too this. a little bit subtle words and

a little more cranberry yes polina is it true that one of the most sought-after artists in our country has sunk, uh, he has to sell a song. but vanya refused him. i know that vanya wrote songs for grisha and leps, but he did not refuse. so, damn it, your answer is no. no, wan , there is a story that you refused to sell, that's right, the track it happened that he refused to sell, and it happened about gifts. well , that is, as if it were human relations , there are just songs that you wrote, right personally for yourself. and, well, you just can’t imagine how this is how i didn’t understand. honestly, what song are we talking about, but there were such stories. and what kind of artists did you understand? well, it was with grigory leps and what kind of song? can't you tell? i told you, if you sell, as a result, they sang together, it turns out here instead. and what you didn't give. you sing a song just like this together you sing a song by

grigory viktorovich leps i know how much it was. i know my friends for sure, where the north is. and where is the south, but i saw you at once and everything was forgotten. suddenly i raise my hands i want to surrender to you, after all, you are so beautiful your 18, i raise my hands, but suddenly you may give up a new chance of boredom and not read everything.