you turn on yes, yes, groceries, this is a lot, a lot, a lot , they had everything. she was engaged in non-clay were shops. so she was there, which means that these stores were supervised. well, or somehow she was the manager of these stores, but the fact is that why, why, why this business was not, it was immediately closed in the bud, because e dryers were, e, influential people in moscow and not just, but precisely with officials senior officials arseniy andreevich zakrevsky governor-general of moscow, the military governor-general of moscow, had in his hands blank forms signed by the sovereign and with with the permission of the sovereign emperor nicholas to enter everything into these forms, including, well , the tsar was afraid of the revolution, so he put such a cerberus in moscow simply, which arseniy zakrevsky really held in his fist. everyone in moscow trembled before him, everyone was just dry, but that's how he was. yes, he allowed himself a cheeky joke, huh? e about arseny andreevich and

moreover, to joke on a very painful topic with arseny andreevich zakrevsky, his wife was leo tolstoy's great-aunt uh, agrofin fyodorovna is zakrevskaya fat for her muscles, but it was such a moscow missolina, and in the english club he allowed himself to joke very impudently and call him a crowned cuckold. well, of course, all this was reported to zakrevsky; i had such a special one, of course there was a green book. he wrote everything down there and when this all happened. here you are. yes, and suddenly the governor-general comes with a report, the obber-polis of the death of moscow and says, so and so found, it means that she was a subject of france brutally murdered. uh, uh, uh, strange circumstances of circumstances. and what and how africa or dry was found on the blood and, of course, the governor-general of moscow immediately takes this investigation under his own control, as now. but it’s not just that he

appoints such a secret investigation, and of course, dry mares, but he is threatened with hard labor for 20 years 30 years, and he ends up in prison. yes, he gets more. let's say that he did not write anything before this event, that is, his literary talent woke up already in prison. after all those events, however, absolutely sukhovo mare. i i think that if not for all these events, as he said, a terrible turning point in his life had come to pass. if not for all this then, uh, most likely no writer would have come out of him. it was a rake, e he said, the player must play. and so, in the village of the patrimony, he won the village of zahlebov in a card. there, then, at count anton's next door. so, here, that is, it was a person who, in general, would not have come out of literature. and here he is, it turns out to be a great grief and yes, yes, they left him to see, maybe in himself and something

there, in fact, to find a tragedy, yes, a turning point in his life, and this turning point e he made a completely different person out of him, of course , when he was arrested and the first few days. he was horrified. he wrote he was put against the wall with thieves with immoral mob. that is, they didn’t just put him in jail, he was humiliated, in fact, he was put in jail. now, uh, back then it was called the secret room of the police department. now it's just called a punishment cell, but it's happening here. here is what some time after alexander is in prison. suddenly they confess the murder of his serfs, those who were in the servants of simonemash. there is a cook kucher and two maids. so they say that we killed her, because he was looking for such an evil. she also beat us, just as bari complained about us to the master. the master also punished her for this, and so they decided to take her out of the world, and they gave it. horseman, how did they do it? they seem to

have gone into her bedroom at night. here in her apartment. first they beat her and strangled her, then the cook and the coachman took her out of the presnenskaya outpost. well, it's you telling their version of them version, which and then after they thought she wheezed. they figured she'd, uh, come to life. suddenly they cut his throat, but this version, you understand, here's a similar one. yes, it is implausible exactly why? because, first of all , he had two dogs in her bedroom. uh, these are some kind of beefy king charlies who would just bark there. it would be noise, she would resist, and most importantly, of course, the most important thing that destroys this version. uh, she was found with severed arteries. yes, here a lot of blood. that's a lot of blood. and when they lifted the body, there were a few drops of blood, the whole dress was covered in blood, it didn’t come out of the snow when somewhere else . it's in a different place.

it was that the minister of justice, count panin, insisted on this, in order to refute the version of the serfs, but the serfs confessed and were dryly released from prison for a while, and then, when it came to court, the serfs refused of these testimonies they said that these testimonies were knocked out of us by force forced there, well, tortured in fact. so, the bailiff sterligov hung them there by strings, beat them in the kidneys there , that is, they simply knocked out these testimonies and when the fortress did not refuse, they refused to dry, damn it, again became the main suspect in the murder. and so he ended up, then already in prison , when the new investigation was unambiguous. and he writes in prison. that is, of course, it is unbelievable, can you imagine, here the man is in prison. here he is facing 20 years there. the evidence is all working against him. here he is sitting

writes comedy. this podcast is a must read. i was at batnikova, the director is a writer, my guest is vladislav otroshenko. writer, screenwriter, connoisseur of the mysterious case of the playwright alexander sukhoi kobylin, what was the main thing for you in this topic, what fascinated you, because you wrote the script and studied the book, this huge matter. and now tell me, what pushed you for so many years e to spend energy on this. you. you know how i still do. uh, that's it, how it's my lifelong torment. here is his fate haunts me, because this one a simple pushkin question is compatible or geniuses from villainy. yes, he, uh, there is no other such fate. e, for example, only characteristic, yes, and so much characteristic on the example, which can put this question. that's what is called a rib. yes, a man writes a brilliant play

that simply turns the history of the russian theater upside down, yes. hunting and at the same time, he is a suspect in the murder, this is the question. eh, he haunts me the fate of the dry mare. she, uh, makes it possible to figure it out. why is this the case? left? unopened? why did this question become? yes? here, let's open the case. so there were no problems, this question would not have arisen, that is, they would have established, for example, he still does not know on the one hand, there were no such scientific means, because when the blood was found, zakrevsky immediately sent this the medical office of the police, one could do tt dna today yes, yes, today even not even anymore. if it were a little later, after 15 years there, for example, all this could already be installed there, at least those questions that he asked. eh, zakrevskie doctors human blood or not, and what time does it belong to now, who was there saying that chickens were slaughtered there?

in general, the cook will carry it there, well, in general , if yes, there were many versions up to the fact that she was staying with him, so his aunt is zhukova’s adviser, and her daughter could have regula and now they got dirty. they somehow say something, god forgive me, that is, uh, like the minister of justice count panin, when he read all this, he said that it does not deserve any probability, but on the one hand, uh, you can’t it was to reveal e by scientific means means to establish the truth, and on the other hand, these officials. they arranged such a balancing act out of this matter, which suited them very much, as he said in both ways, a sharp and final matter. here they are mutually sharp rocking and on the one hand. it was possible to turn against barin and against the peasants. well, it’s not interesting against the peasant, why don’t you take it. yes and this is the richest man in russia and they took from him

and they just took poisoned money from him and i want to say that not three plays devoted to precisely this, let's say, theft and arbitrariness of officials and, he has an u, in the play. the case is a detailed description of the types of bribes, that is, a person understood the survey of a rural bribe, which is given in kind. yes industrial bribe. this is what is called rollback today. this is when you receive some order and thank you. eh, in general, you roll back. yes, and a bribe is criminal or trap? that is, it is a trap, and she is taken naked. that is, this man is destroyed simply and like him, like him, then a hero. e, krichinsky, they want you, take a bribe. give uh, the consequences of your refusal will be cruel dear dykes want you, because otherwise you will be finished, well, you understand the dry mare? eh, that's interesting, then,

eh. e was like that. eh, in fact. togo the mare in st. petersburg was engaged in the chief procurator of the ruling senate of the kostornenky creek lebedev . and then such a moment came, decisive, when lebedev was preparing a resolution. uh, on the case about it uh about the murder simon dimash the very resolution that the minister of justice was supposed to read in the senate, yes, and he studied the whole thing, but from dry clothes, but were, being at that time on bail. he was temporarily released from prison on the bail of his mother. eh, so he goes to petersburg , having already agreed in advance with the people there that he does not go empty-handed at the fire of nikiforovich. well, this of course, he mortgages the estate, takes the ticket of the board of trustees, such a small piece of paper was on thin paper. so on this piece of paper

the entire estate was transferred to the bearer actually. it's, uh, paper. yes, yes, or just maybe, get some cash, yes, 10,000 rubles. silver is 30,000 for 17. a rough condition. generally. yes, this is the price of the emperor near moscow, approximately the moscow region. yes, such a medium-sized estate near moscow and a dry epics goes to the employees of ferroch lebedev, and here it happens. here, as a matter of fact, is the scene which became central in the play. she was actually written from nature to a dry mare, which means that she comes to his sharp nickel-lebe and, uh, he shows him what the resolution will look like minister. he beats everything there, so all the cards, what is called everything everyone promises to solve the issue absolutely. yes, that is, a revolution such that a dry mare will simply be released from criminal prosecution. and e. well, it’s necessary , then to thank him, he gives him this ticket from the pekut council, he puts it in the pocket of his vest, it was dry. well, go and his shurik e,

petrov's nightingale. speaks. sasha, come on , he says, we’ll still look into the skin of written cases in a rag and see really what the resolution will be. the devil knows these officials. yes, and indeed they look into someone they give there some kind of small bribe there 10 rubles. uh, the cooker shows the result is just the opposite, that is, he is threatened with hard labor. just according to this resolution and take a bribe from a person. yes, promise him to solve the case and at the same time the authorities, on the contrary, are trembling. yes, right. why, in order to receive a cross or an award later, that i caught a terrible one there, because count panin was the minister of justice, he was completely convinced of the convinced guilt of a dry mare on and, when he instructed lebedev to prepare a resolution , he got him to prepare a specific resolution, where he would act as an accuser. uh, dry in front of the senate, of course, the reason. a and. well, he decided how to please the authorities.

he took a bribe, which means he received the cross and received the money. well, just well done, more dry-kobulenko. yes, i saw it all. he breaks into his office and says, you scoundrel scoundrel, so, uh, you took money from me as a bribe. i'm going to yell at the whole department now. yes, the department for the whole of russia, ukraine, i i will give you a bribe and they will train you. now they will find something else, well, of a brutal disposition, yes, that is, it is anger. it was so fierce, that is , she probably swept everything away. on his maternal side, there were tatar khans in his family ; he had one like that. well, on the one hand. here from the greek was on the other side of the tatar khan. it was such a powerful datura, and he uh screams, uh, uber parkour and what he does, he takes this ticket out of his vest pocket and puts it in his mouth. chew

and drink a glass of water. sat down ah, well, it's gone, but in the sense of a tool that exists in a single copy? that is, it’s like, but whose estate? uh, it was sukhov's mare who mortgaged one of his estates near moscow, so that he could take this ticket and, uh, bring it to him. and here and here it is, in fact, the scene of it. well, of course, a fantastic notarial scene. and of course, this is where it gets interesting. it's like doctors' staff. uh, i read his notes. he was like that, he was a plate. there was also a fire, as it were, well, in reality, that means, uh, in death. in fact, he made him tarelkina, then yes, they met from the kostorniki, and from the minister of justice. yes, and uh, here's an interesting thing. eh, here are some small levers.

he counted russian literature like that, and he does not have a record about gogol. uh, he says that i read these dead souls. well, here it is, all these clickers writers, they do not know our management. they do not know everything, how we are arranged. something there is written so dismissively, but google wrote. well, uh, i’m writing from my books that but another steamer appeared and called it breeders who found out everything about how things are going with you. how do you take bribes? as you know, it’s brilliant, it’s all described and you know, i laughed. yes, tears, here, i don’t know the play, the old one would turn out, yes, like a huge gap, but no, the language is very lively and that’s it. it's clear. everything is recognizable and insanely funny. when i read these plays, i understood why you were so in love with him, e women, because he was able to make laugh on the one hand and i had a dry heart next to a woman to make laugh, on the other hand. now if u now to know, uh, there was one piece of evidence

there was one piece of evidence against dry. yes, absolutely and funny, but the fact that she was ridiculously funny became known many, many years later. so you mentioned how he charmed a woman. he didn't just charm them. so, when the dry season was on , they came to him with a search by the tsar. yes , all his letters were taken from him from the table. yes, and there was one letter addressed to louise or forget victims. actually, the letter was in french. e there was literally the following. he writes to her. she went to ostankino and didn’t want to be capricious come to moscow and he writes to her. eh, that means . stop your farces and i call an ungrateful and oath criminal woman. at the distance of my bone dagger. come back and tre-repeishte. he doesn't write with lots of so-and-so in letters. as i understand it, before the race took place, and here is

the researcher troitsky and he i read the case materials. he writes as i understand french. i realized that this is a very important threatening note. means to pierce her bones with a dagger. the note is taken by daggers from he is found and, uh, minister of justice graf panin quotes this note in the senate. so , he says, look, he wanted to pierce her with his kostilian dagger, but the fact is that they had such a lovers. special, means erotic such symbols of expression. still, eight years of relationship, of course, of course, they had a special language of their own and louise hmm herself called it. uh, how later alexander vasilyevich told this to his neighbor reminsky. all this says. this is what she called the organs, his manhood called the katic dagger. and when he wrote, and they, then, and so on, when

the minister of justice reads it out, you know everything. this of course, it was just a fantastic ambiguity wow but uh, uh! they took a bunch of notes from alexander vasilyevich on his desk from different women from different families. there e from sixteen influential. uh, there's more, uh, what moment? of course, this is his passion, for which the frenchwoman. tell this story about the women's decided afam longer. is there another woman's role in this murder the insane jealousy that happened to a frenchwoman, if actually, as it was according to the version of the zakrevsky minister of the russian count panin, it means that it was a murder , prepared in high society. and who did they mean they meant the most dry epic. and here is his new mouth. eh, i hope you naryshkin. she was so she didn't possess. in general, such beauty, but she was. eh, cynical. she was free, as she

was called in the world. they called her the green-eyed cat. she was so red. green-eyed well, bone witch cat, and the frenchwoman started follow him. she was jealous and it was not by chance that naryshkina herself also hated the frenchwoman. she wrote to alexander vasilyevich. he must get rid of her. that's shortly before death. this means that contemporaries describe such a story, which means when alexander vasilyevich was at a ball in the naryshkins' house. here he is dancing snaryshkina. and she notices through the window that the frenchwoman is looking out the window, and then what does she do? she, uh, not suspecting alexander vasilievich , pulls the curtain, so they let down such a bay window there was such a one. yes, like this. yes, you guessed female thinking. why? she would turn her back so that he would not see the frenchwoman. and so, of course, there is a closed face from desperation running away. yes, well, what is the moment? uh, when it means they didn't have time

to arrest him to ask. it's very suspicious that she was running, wasn't it? yes? she didn’t just, so she ran away, e , with lightning speed, when just e they came with a search to alexander vasilyevich, uh, he even wrote in his diary that the search was a catastrophe. uh, nogin left, that is, she just runs, but she runs from a wochveli with a child of a dry mare. she was three months pregnant, being a married woman, and he did not give her away. he didn’t betray her, of course, not only did he deny during interrogations that he would say that i had never had any connection with naryshkina, in general, as if, of course, he was lying, because after 6 months naryshkina e, in paris gives birth to his daughter and how the youngest is right in the family in. the youngest and what do you think the daughter was named she was named louise. and with herself , too, very suspiciously very strange, yes, and

she and naryshkina when she was already behind border. she actually ran away from her husband. well, by the way, a married woman helped her with documents, she couldn’t just leave without her husband’s permission. so it was necessary to write a statement to the governor-general so that the governor-general would give a blank passport. so this passport blank for naryshkin was stolen by the daughter of the governor-general. uh, lydia zakrevskaya, and in fact, it means that soon lydia zakrevskaya also moved away from her husband. ah, the chancellor's son. mission childbirth, she was married to a son the chancellor ran away and they, in paris , they organized such a thing. eh, i already read this in french memes. eh, they called this society of debauchery. they arranged it there, they invited french writers , they organized orgies there and that same

alexandre dumas son, who painted the lady with the camellia, he fell in love with naryshkin, and then the family is still dry. we will be sitting here in prison writing plays, then it means that the matter ended only after 7 years of the emperor. yes , only the head of state could solve this problem. yes, they are all investigators these officials confused the matter so that when the sovereign emperor was already to him there, er, the mother got dryly to the sister of the dryly , they began to explain, and he, of course, looked at this matter. he realized that there he said bribes, that is, everything was tangled up with bribes already to unravel, it was impossible there. what do you think, huh? well, what is the real version? for example, i think that it was a situation from the series that, well, this french dinner, during a date, probably broke out in this outbuilding. i think it was something

spirit. i will go. and you girls figure it out yourself, and then it comes and there is something like that, maybe there was such an excellent researcher. yes , indeed, he took naryshkina to him in a flute. and then, of course, such a scene in a fly could happen. and in general, the way it was conveyed. contemporaries da naryshkin somehow participated in this and uh. it seems to me, thus confirming. and the fact that she named her daughter after her rival. it seems to me, i feel guilty, this is something, well, there is even more naryshkin there even before it was discovered corpse. she sent a note to the kabat kudror. uh, like a catholic church. uh, the note was intercepted by the investigation of the governor-general, secret, that she wrote to e. i ask you to tell me what is needed for the burial of a particularly catholic religion, where you can order loudly found out the details. how to bury in the french rite? yes, everything is clear. so tell me this way, is

genius compatible with villainy, if this picture of the crime was as you suggested, well, as an example, yes, then, uh, of course. uh, uh dryly could tear apart two feelings wine before, uh, louise or buckwheat wine and before. baby yes, he knew, of course he knew that she was three months pregnant. he knew all this very well when it all happened. so tell me, while studying this person, you learned something, that is , somehow the spirit of sukhov's mare moved in you, but relatively speaking, but uh, what has changed in you while working on this material. you know how i am, first of all. when i studied, in general, his whole nature, his character and the contradictions tearing him apart. here i am, of course, i was attracted by his strength character, despite the fact that he survived all this in prison , he lived such nervous shocks for 86 years. yes, this is for those times. it's just scary. here, leo nikolayevich

tolstoy is more than tolstoy. and in this sense, too. eh, i tried. here uh, comprehend. here is my usual russian nature. you see, this is a mystery to me. after all, he was a talented person in everything. that's why he didn't take trotters' plays there. if everything was successful with him, and here and at the same time some kind of such a strange, dark one, as he himself said. uh, strange strange fate great run me great blind man fate, and the great blind man. he called blind. he is his here and uh, i uh i must say. yes, i really changed a lot internally while i was studying the dry mare. yes , a peculiarity, when you work with some material with a biography, and you change. this is nature. uh, which cannot but have an impact, and uh, this is such an archetypal fate of the russian writer. of course, when u prison, either uh, write or

break, or she, on the contrary, makes him a powerful figure strengthens his spirit. and this happened in a dry cabin, then it was the same for dostoevsky when he got out of prison. here, that is, here it is very archite. here is such a collision in the development of the fate of the russian writer. here i thank you for the conversation. thanks this was a podcast, a must read. i am the main director and writer at badnekov, my guest was vladislav atroshenko, a screenwriter and connoisseur. e affairs of a dry mare. hello this is a podcast triggers and with you i am

sergey for myself, he is a psychologist and tatyana krasnovskaya, a psychologist and a psychotherapist, and we talking to our guest olga olga tell us why you came to us today, and i came after a relationship with an abuser. so a psychopath, probably, but having lived with him for some period of time, i now understand that there are some consequences of this relationship in my life, and i catch myself that i can’t cope on my own and i have some kind of body reaction . yes , inappropriate for some situations. it seems to me that i perceive the situation incorrectly and i have no right. there to be offended to be annoyed. that is, it seems to me that i invent everything myself and receive i suppress these emotions. and she herself suffers from this and it seems to me that people when they talk to me, i understand everything wrong, that is, some kind of everything, perverted, as if i have some kind of distortion and in general , somewhere the norm. how old are you 35 years old? how many years have you been right in those relationships for three years,

and how long have you lived in them for three years? how do you talk to a psychopath on a user? tell us how it was in general, that it was met in moscow. he turned out to be an arab because of egypt, in the sense you did not know. yes he told me he was half arab half american. this was my first mistake of him, because i turned a blind eye to it. that's when you can start dating. i ask him at the clock. i say, but still where is your mother, where is your father? what are their names, and he says, well, that is, well, we will get to know each other well. here, well, it turned out, as a result, there after a while of relationship. i realized that he is a pure slave and not just some kind of elite blood, how he positioned himself, that he graduated from some american universities there, he is just from

egypt and a rather poor family, but i really wanted to seem like such a status person. it can be understood. and if he would build one hundred percent, i still probably have some stereotypes in my relationship. yes that seems to me well mobility. but you also need to understand what kind of person. well, that is acquaintance. oh well, with egypt, i still have the guys. it seemed to me that nothing serious could happen to him. well, the pyramid, they somehow built well done. well , you haven't managed to build that border yet. that they have respect for him, therefore, about. i tell you how your relationship was built. it so happened that i lost my job in moscow, and he says, he lives in dubai and says, come on, come to me. in general, we will build relationships. i dropped everything. well, no work. and how long did you

meet while you were in moscow, uh, about three months, three months, and then i went to dubai, that is. first i went with him to visit him for his birthday for 2 weeks. then she returned to moscow and then left completely. well, not quite, as she left completely, well, just i’ll be back i won’t be back like that, open to him , we started a relationship, everything was beautiful. that is, it looked after very beautifully, well, how beautiful, but he is acceptable. and if we went to a restaurant, if it was in moscow when then i always called the car, that is, there are always restaurants there every time flowers then, of course, we had relatives. or relationship and when i came there he lived in a hotel, since he was here on a business trip, he lived in a hotel with a film crew, and did not shoot a tv show for a football match. that is, they lived in a hotel. when i always came, it's always roses on the bed. it's always a bunch of flowers. a bunch of treats, there are a lot of romantic

decorations. i mean, this is just too much. and that is, here i plunged into some kind of fairy tale. yes, that is, as if that's how i got swirled. that's how cinderella and i liked it there. uh-huh, i just wanted to keep it yes. and probably, later, when they already started some. i have very pleasant events in our relationship to occur. i knew how it was they began to happen when you went there left when he proposed to me, did he propose or not in moscow in dubai, i flew to dubai, we began to live everything was beautiful, and then ah. i caught him at first glance, i accidentally saw a photo there with a girl kissing, where he takes a selfie against the background of our roughly speaking bed. when i asked him, well, what is it? he said i misunderstood everything. it's just a masseuse came. i play you

kissing everyone like that. he says it's just you brought me i think maybe it's true, i'm something wrong did maybe. he should not be so offended by him somehow. maybe something to get up is better to become more good more beautiful, well, so that he does not cheat on me. and i flew to moscow then to think. i thought about returning or not. well, apparently, this longing, which he gave me at the beginning. i wanted to go back there. you thought she would come back. i thought she 'd do something a little. yes, it’s better to strain myself with myself, as if through myself for the sake of him, then he will go forward and do the same for me. and i returned, and he was afraid, apparently, i have to lose, because he immediately proposed to me uh-huh and after that he said that i was his property and in the arab countries so after you accepted the proposal, you got married, no, but

just now you accepted the proposal and became his property. that is, he said the ring on his finger is evidence that i am his, i am his property, and he can do whatever he wants. so i don't care how is it that i say? it's like i say, i'm human. i 'm a person. how can you do with me what he wants is not, so it is impossible. he says, and i say this to you, well, i have a different mentality. you must understand too. he says you have accepted that i am glad, so you must accept islam. there are parents in the harem, ten of these children or there, how many of mine there are at least three. standard and i went something like that. well, that is, we had such a conflict with contra, yes, and you had some time before the wedding. that's right, i understand right away, as soon as you accept the ring, you should have had nikah right away. this is islam. eat such as in front of allah yes and from now on, in principle, muslims believe that you are his

wife right in the mosque no, where it happens in egypt on the road. they just signed the documents , and moreover, they wrote my name incorrectly and were there at all. well, yes, my data, well, wrong yeah, when did you agree to this e, ritual , traditional for islam and read something about it , did you know anything about it a little bit, but what is said in the koran and what he did two completely different things were aware of what you were doing, but you were not yet accepted islam. this moment no, okay. so. you had such a traditional muslim wedding. let's say. well yes. it was very, it seems to me low and ugly low and ugly. yes, because after all, when it’s not right, it’s also a rite, it’s a tradition -

these are some kind of outfits, some kind of treat, probably, but here, just on the road , documents were quickly needed for the sake of registering the main marriage. yes, you must first do none and get residency there. that is, it was so purely formal, but they have everything i am his wife and well there, as he said three times, no, everything, are you already divorced or there? you don't live under the same roof for 30 days. that is, you, too, already, well, not a husband. and a wife, that is. well, a convention or something, only a before this ritual you spoke with him, and your joint future, what will it look like, what does he expect from you? what are you ready for? on what is not, right so as to sit down in an adult way to talk. no, it wasn't, that is, i thought it would be. this is a fairy tale. that is, i probably had arab glasses.