but exactly the same as a crow could not sit down. the coconut could have fallen before it was planted. yes, here it happens just like that in our psyche. she tries to build everything in linearity, because only when it is clear, yes, that one follows the other and it seems that as a result, she also writes in this way. and further, when you start to consider it , it is very difficult to stratify and separate these events among themselves, but your task is to allow this to be a kaleidoscope of events. yes, things have happened in your life. you built the logic where it was not necessary to build it and built the logic, of course, not in favor of themselves. of course, a good teacher. to act in a different way is a child who has been attacked by

all this and everything needs to build some kind of protection. well, it just doesn't help you right now. well, that's why i'm here and opening this door, which sergei called death. you and your daughter will be able to build a more real, more honest, or something relationship, without trying to protect her on the one hand with this fading. ugu after all, she too about coldness. well, being real living mother nearby. and this fear that we feel awe of death. it is the natural norm. you can't run from him. you need to learn how to live it, so here it is very important to live it, perhaps in some of the practices in bodily practice. it is well lived. uh -huh well, it's important that you learn to look over there and understand that once you become an adult, everything from now on. well, how would you stop, and grow up and begin to age.

yes there, it means that we are going to this very death moreover, when mom leaves, of course, there is no one else between us and death, because parents, including psychological ones , perform the function of protection between me and death, while they are. it's like i'm not supposed to die yet. oh well, not next but it's again in the linear category of categoricalness, when you realize that in fact there is no only us. uh-huh well, this is another story about the fact that every decision you make to turn away from what comes from the fact that we are still going to death. it is after all, this movement does not stop. well , yes, the process, and these are all more than 20 years old. it still happened to turn away. turn away today. well, this is happening , for example, sergey told his little six-year-old son, three-year-old told him that we are all dying here. this, by the way,

is also yes. that kid must have been a little surprised. dad what is death and said what's happening to you right now i'll tell you how i say it. you've been dying for three and a half years. he says, and you her and i die. there mother he cried, of course cried. well, i was sincerely convinced and still am convinced that i would rather tell this truth in 3 1/2 years than tell him a story about the fact that someday they will come up with a pill and we will all live forever. and this fear, and death, is very important to live right and be with him. it is the norm for every living being on earth. leave today victoria there was some feeling that the door to my mother's story was already closed for the last key, key. yes, i close, this is her story. there i had a history with it.

opening my door with death there. why philosophical and grounding in reality do it, as in reality now from the studio. wake up tomorrow, how will you work? when will her future death be? and what i think is true, adults, only people can meet and already. well, yes, there is, because it turns out as if these people have been there for so long. disbelief that there is, well, fearing death

, well, i'm stuck and children's ancients didn't just say things like that. mora they said, remember death. they didn't say avoid her, they said remember her. uh-huh, you understand . my mother was in the cemetery once. this thought is all the time of our program. for some reason, i really want to recommend that you go to the cemetery, no matter how it sounds now. i once was after quarantine there for 21 years, you know, i will give you one recommendation, when you go to the cemetery, until you reach her grave, there will be other graves. and on the graves of all it is necessarily written. uh, date of birth date of death and everything in between. i want to offer you, and practice such meditation look at the rest, understand that the rest

is death, they date at the end. the way it is this aspect before, and it will simply become easier for you to be with it, so that you realize that today, in general, and the first day of the end of your life and each new day will be the first. it is logical for me to say that dying psychotherapists were with you. well, today is such a deep truth? theme and thank you for coming to us with it today. it became easier for me to breathe, if there was a desire to breathe, thank you very much. thank you. this there was a podcast triggers, and with you were. we are tatiana krasnovskaya, sergey nasabyan, psychologists and psychotherapists, and we talked with victoria about an existential crisis.

creative industry and with you again today roman pockets elena kiper and our guest is a large circus dynasty represented by two brothers. and both lead each in his part. and quietly, quietly , our viewer was released, so to speak, to freedom and allowed. there, first in the department , there are 15% restrictions, 30% for 45 visits. that's

how gradually we saw how the viewer came to us not what's going on. he runs there and there was already a fight for each ticket, because there were very few of them, as soon as they were opened. uh, people here after well, almost a year old, yes, the simple literally began, uh , to storm curds and not only the big moscow church throughout the country, so every time people who sincerely hate the circus begin to say that we have it is a relic past. this is no longer interesting to anyone. art is all a certain form, but such self-deception is imposed. the circus continues to grow someone says that this is my merit with my brother , forgive me for such an immodest uh announcement. well, because we constantly constantly speak in public space , we say the word circus, we pronounce it, we defend it.

uh, the interests of someone, uh, believes that, well , really some kind of western pressure has decreased a little under and we decided to uh, return to the circus in social networks. and, in my opinion, the only ones here are the circus, who is there really beating bright i have a lot in fact, here is the question. here's how to make a hole. uh, very difficult for a long time time of the root cause, of course, this is generally the relationship of the state and the people to the circus as a whole, that is, and these are interdependent things. that is, if earlier sergey cinema was the most important for us artificially and people understood the significance of the circus as a universal art, uh, which over time that's just since the collapse of the soviet union since the ninety-first year and so on, and he lost his position due to simply not ready for such a situation, that is, it was thrown to e, such a kind of gravity, such a kind of artists were exclusively performers, then

there are all the people who were creatively involved in their entirety. they are used to the fact that there was such attention, it simply disappeared, and the position was lost and over time a stereotype was formed. eh, thanks to the outflow of personnel, but because a lot of non-professionals came to the circus, who were comfortable creating a very simple image, namely this conditional art only for children. and someone thought. it's just a farce and it has become convenient for many. and for someone it was just a helpless position, because of this, respectively, as it were relations have changed a lot, uh, both between the state and the people, and this happened further down the stairs and, accordingly, as if there was a general misunderstanding of what a circus is, that is , how much it is, and not just a bright, as if art, important significance of the circus. relatively, but first of all, uh, the significance of the circus lies in the fact that it is a mass art. and what is called pop art. yes, that is, a huge number of people come to the circus, and regardless

of religion, age. e some of their views of social status. that is, here it can be absolutely anyone and they go with great pleasure, but the circus has, in fact, no border. and therefore, the circus can be used as a spectacle, as just a bright picture that entertains and gives an opportunity in time. eh, there, roughly speaking, some heavy ones. uh, political situations just come unload. and when you need to influence. uh, this could be absolutely festival art. this is an art that uplifts the spirit. why because it shows the here and now or any spectator who came to you personally a witness, no matter how it is recorded. these are not special effects. it's really happening before you you see the achievement of the human body. you see, the achievement of teamwork. you see mutual. if a person and an animal you see everything for real, because of this it inspires you very much, but at the same time, of course, the key point is quality, if the quality drops, then everything we are talking about is lost and, accordingly,

the perception is completely different and it comes to the point that once in a lifetime people go to the circus is disappointed, then they go to me at all, that is, here i didn’t want to shift the wine, but the fact that it’s exclusively everyone ’s fault, except for the circus ones, because the forties, including hmm, the future is confused and lost their positions. but awareness now it just comes, why because there is a demand, firstly for your product, that is, when you are not just a consumer of something that comes. e from other countries, when you need to create something, and the circus base is very powerful preserved, both material and, in fact, human, and therefore this school, which can be said to have been built over decades from decades, and it allows you to create. well, ultra high quality stuff. the experience gained is all the same, how to say the merit of the western ones there, so to speak, strangely, our partners. yes, in that of course they taught us how to use certain technologies. that is, be that as it may, by showing high-quality products at home, they

inspired us that we, too, can and of course, when it's all in general, in aggregate makes the circus relevant when it is already shown at the level of not just, but a reference to the past. here, as in soviet times. and what is now maybe, so to speak, using any of the most modern technologies in everything, but plus this one. ah, so to speak, the fundamental point. eh, namely, the quality of performance tricks is unattainable for most western and , in general, well, any countries, and foreign and , in fact, also a creative basis, which can also be added to create an emotional background. you know, i can from a personal brag about experience. and for some time we suddenly began to notice that in the same place almost every day there every other day. an elderly woman uh sits uh, and. well, constantly often and somewhere after 6-8 submissions we sent administrators. well, to get to know her, it turned out that the woman

was left alone, she even began to think about suicide, that is, circus therapy. yes, and she said, she says, i've decided to go somewhere for the last time in my life and lay hands on myself. she says and now i understand that i charge you in the literal sense of the word. yesterday i met a girl from belarus and a little little girl. there or seven, maybe eight, who's been fighting cancer since she was four years old, the bald girl came. and that's when the doctors told her that you now need something to recharge. she says i will go to the circus, and we made tickets for her. she can see that the child has become a child again. this one was talking about an elderly woman, and once upon a time a letter came to me, uh, from a young girl who wrote very emotionally. and there are people are different with oddities, as it were, and it was evident that a healthy girl. so she said that she was in her 20 years old, in my opinion, and

at the age she wanted to commit suicide for her, as it then seemed to her to be the most extravagant act, along the circus, but before laying hands on herself, and she said when i went. i just rethought everything. she realized how important it is to live, looking at you, she says, at your enthusiasm for your art and so on. i say later at night i rode the car all night in some kind of emotional outburst and says, and now i don’t have such thoughts anymore. and that she thanked us, so the forces of the circus. she certainly can be underestimated, you know? i 'm not saying, of course, that this is literally literally therapy. as such, yes, but probably everything that causes emotions, and everything that causes, and everything that causes feelings. well, i don't know what impulses are. it certainly can be a therapy for many thanks to this lifeline. well, therapy too, uh, this clown movement volunteers who go to hospitals. eh, help raise this well-known phenomenon.

in fact, it is in great demand and people. it gives a lot of things, which, as clowns , do it all. therefore, we often do traveling performances in the centers. um, where can children not be taken out? well, that is, every artist in the circus has a superpower that allows you to see what is beyond human capabilities, almost all the heroes. it seems to me well the circus is a hardworking art here too. eh, if you don't accustomed to plow you will not succeed honestly. i said, that's why those people come here who want to prove something , overcome something, and moreover, they understand that it is very difficult. it just takes a lot of time, but to devote to it all. what a lost man who never was. i'm sorry, i lost everything. no, well, there are many such people among teenagers, of course. i was in german in a german

circus, which means where, but they refused to use work with animals, which means that they sank very badly. right they stopped selling, uh, they started to invent some forms. but how is it anyway? well, people are dragged here and little by little, they came to the conclusion that now they are performing porn tricks. and i just see that they are in their thinking here. these are very strong disfigured people who, refusing one, immediately offer something that, in principle, could not even be voiced once. and to this they are quietly quietly coming to everything, banal degradation. yes, for me there for some criticism of the canadian. church the most famous in the world yes, salt, but i did not once emphasize that here is their clowning, which is moving away from such classic humor. well, let's call it olya kvnovsky, you know, acceptable humor. when you can play a joke e

somehow play tricks on each other. they go into vulgarity very strongly go into vulgarity, that is, realizing that this is what they do not want, but somehow they still need to amuse the audience. and the simplest thing is to joke below the belt and the viewer - it starts, well , somehow get used to get used to it and further on this even somewhere to be brought up, or something, and as a result. here, uh, consciousness. well whole whole culture is geared. i believe now i believe yes, because the trend is changing the trend to what look like a lot of vulgarity. now began to appear in the whole culture. but you know that there is actually uh, and a color reaction, including, i'm an example for you. vidu in las vegas, where he repeatedly came specially to watch a variety of shows, uh, there was a recently closed show, uh, which is called alf jean

call it a dream or a dream, whatever you want, and for me it was one of the best shows that i have ever seen technological uh, smartly using uh performed show directed by franco dragona now. unfortunately , too, the deceased and when i was on this show for the first time many years ago. and i watched a full house, and then it was simplified and extremely time when i was there, and 20 percent of people sat on the show. i thought, well, probably, maybe, just roughly speaking, such a flow of viewers now. and then he came, on the same visit to another show called, uh, absinthe, and this show is just that sort of tavern-like sort of over-simplified in the auditorium. you are sitting on some dirty wooden chairs. ah, that's it, it's under the awning of such a cheap chapiteau and in the center of the stage, well, no more than the place where we are now with you and such

simple numbers are working on it, and somewhere a little erotica and two hosting bawdy jokes full-house crowds, with over-fulfillment of the plan by the expansion of the state. uh, the second show from the same team opens already in those places where closes just past shows and it's all for booze it's all for. e. excuse me, so to speak , smoking and i, looking at everything, i understood that the degradation of the public is taking place along with those content producers, do you understand? because uh, there are two ways in my mind, as a director, and which once many years ago is already about, soon 20 years. eh, they started doing major shows at luzhniki and the opinion of colleagues was repeatedly asked questions. lord why are you doing this? difficult? well, make it simple, because in fact it works like that. here and it will be easier for everyone and it will be easier for you. i say there are two ways, one - it adapts to the audience, and the second is

to educate it. and they are two completely different paths. if you adapt to the audience, then you slowly slide down. why because it's easier to satisfy needs if they instinctively understand to make uh, it will be funnier. if you’re joking now, but you lower the degree level, this is precisely art, as such, and the dates go into some kind of, so to speak, entertainment, sort of, as some say. well, that's not movie. this is chewing gum. well, when it exists in a certain segment, it should be. although a simple movie should be a simple circus, but it is segmented as soon as it starts to turn into the so-called mainstream. this is where degradation begins. it's the same as talking about a circus without animals. you see, when people say that the central executive committee without animals, how the form should take the place of the circus, as such, this is the same as we will talk about the fact that comedies should replace all cinema, why is this can't do? well, on the one hand. why

watch drama? why do we torture our souls? let's look to say something that pleases cheerful sunny fun pink and so on, but in fact it is impossible. why because life is multifaceted and the relationship between a person and an animal is a natural environment, but because we live all on one planet, and the circus and other forms in which this is present is a demonstration of the possibility of current achievements. and so on. she can't. delete it cannot be denied. you cannot replace. this understand the same as we will ever say. and why studies with a person, but a person is torn, breaks, and so on. let's have robots and that's it. well, or roughly speaking, so to speak, e movie avatar is a wonderful movie technically perfect, after all, it is perfect, but are we now ready to watch a movie without actors, in principle, will it be a movie? or we will watch cartoons, you know, but from the point of view of technology, like technology has grown, yes, so to speak, it is, but we are deceiving everything . you see, when we watch the movie dumbo, it is the film adaptation that

under the cartoon, uh, somehow one lady, when she tried to argue with me in general on the topic of the relationship between man and animal, she brought me. for example, you need to watch the movie dam to understand how an animal should communicate. i say girl. this is a computer elephant that understands human speech from the first word and flies on its ears. you understand that this is fake, it's not real, but technology. roughly speaking, she deceives a person so much that a person begins to believe in it and the person already not in reality there is much more to you about it. do you understand pain? why because no -no-no way the purpose of the salty case is just really, this is an example of uh, good quality on the face, just right for the du soleil least of all questions in terms of art, like a niche circus. he is a wonderful question to understand. it's just, uh, the western circus, did he ever set himself up at all. eh, educational mission, as a goal in general, and or i

made such a church. it was understandable. it is western. it was always a spectacle. hey there woman, you know our cardinal differences, that they left the market for a long time. and we came to him, there for the last 20 years. and uh, the educational cultural part of them has been missing for a long time. that is, they all earned and earn at all someday. well, that is, they have the opportunity. here, look, let's take, uh, one of the most famous americans. the sky circus, which existed there for more than 100 years, was the church of the ringazs, and they folded in one day, and , in principle, they have, to my surprise. i dreamed of being on this circus, why because since childhood, again, the children of the nineties watched on videotapes. we thought it was a miracle. and when i arrived, the first time. i was very disappointed. why because my old heeski cassettes and what i saw through there were actually

the same thing for 25 years. we continue our creative industry podcast hosted by roman pockets, and away. we have people's artists edgard and askold zapashnye but you don't post your programs. yes, they can't be found anywhere. look. tell me interestingly, my brother and i can boast, we can boast that we are already over 40 years old. we are folk artists. we enter it all sorts of government, so uh committees on us and our show has never been shown by any federal channel. we on television can cook, eat, box from bulls, run away from anything from anything, but dancing, dancing, you have become brighter, apparently, than zinc. well, because it exists. you know a certain stereotype that, and the circus is, well, such an unformatted and non-rated art,

which is unlikely to be exactly the viewers of the television audience. although just. it was channel one that proved the opposite, e, the anniversary of the centennial anniversary of rosgosstrakh was repeated already three times, because each time it was many times more for the public. although initially, while we persuaded few, who believed we had made a huge number of shows of the most different ones. as a suggestion, that is. or maybe you don't like this format. and let's here we have a show about vampires. we have musicals. we have thrillers. we have comedies. we have classic dirtis cop, we have a show dedicated to certain holidays, and a show dedicated to- the world cup is needed. listen, we recorded all this in high quality and went with this proposal everywhere and last time. one of my girlfriend. diana is the same, and she, so to speak, having heard a similar conversation. she asked how much? is it really that i’m saying it right here, so dian wants a paradox, not a single streaming service

, not a single tv channel, just. absolutely does not take. she says i have a friends on one of the uh, major streaming services in russia let me propose, i say no problem. can you send me. i say today send sent her all the commercials . all layouts all take some 2-3 weeks. she calls me. how much does he say? i do not understand anything. i say uhm. they looked at everything. everything was said. e no. i'm talking about the reasons explained, she says no, and you have some celebrities taking part in the circus, for example, who may come out here, well, we drank in this the thing is it works, but is it necessary, but is it necessary to know, uh, not that's not the point. yes, look how we always orient ourselves to the west. and look, sometimes they shoot with films without a single popular actor , the races and the people just went there and we are just

orienting ourselves. for some reason, it's always there all the time. here, if they made it there. you are mine, we ourselves are afraid to try. that's what the channel is about. now, if someone is suddenly behind the screen, now you say ok, this is one explanation, it's because you have an animal and etc. we even have a circus without animals , we have a creative industry podcast elena hyper. a novel of pockets. our guest is the people's artist of russia, and i have a few personal impressions of this. i was in the circus as a child, a little later i visited the circus by chance in gelendzhik . for the number, this is true, maybe , yes, you know about it. i said the church it's a hardworking art and yes, it's not the

highest paid. and as he said that at one time nikulin worked crazy to some extent. uh, it's true that high-profile artists make good money, some make very good money , but the general population is different. yes, the average salary. she remains average. that is, well, only people who are devotees remain that way, you can’t risk your life. if you don't love fanatically, then how do you enjoy it. you know here i have, as a director, very often, but a problem arises when, well, a person deliberately risks his life, and you try to persuade him not to do this. well, in the literal sense of the word, you promise that you will be on the lounge. yes, i promise everything 100% rises, because it takes it straight , pulls it down. you ask what he 's talking about, she doesn't interfere. seriously. yes, this and this, that's how to deal with it sometimes. uh, well,

you just can’t imagine the possibilities of a lot of extreme sports just this, including this, including number of people are self-confident people enjoy. and the most important thing is that they see that the viewer is treated too. uh, in a different way, he unfastened one thing on insurance, and he has a degree. eh, interest respect for him completely. this is where they change a lot. there, the glow in the hall changes instantly, and it is charged from this. he enjoys it. we held the international circus festival idol and came to us. uh, american uh, acrobat who decided to set a record, a on the biggest unicycle. and so he brought the device itself is almost 9 m. when i looked at this device, which weighs under 100 kg, but one wheel is really one wheel, he climbed up there, uh, and swept on the lounge. i say, well , great, great, i think, well, he says it every time, but i will go without evil, and then i say, wait. what do you expect? i say, from such a height with

such a huge heavy apparatus you fall to you. you can catch not a single passer will climb under you, because you fall from 100 kg, bullshit, uh, he says, i'm very sure himself and that's it, and he went really really did a few. yes, that's what works. you know this diligence is not well, here, too, listen to all the psychological portrait of a circus performer, he is also very specific . why because, if you have already come here, then you have passion for certain achievements, then competition gives rise to certain standards. that is, if everyone is doing the same thing, so you can not distinguish among all. you have to make it better anyway , and then the rice starts, you know? well then there's a rare uh, no risky genre in the circus, so there's actually uh, the dna is changing. no no. it's not, just listen, it's not. simply, well, it doesn't matter what we will talk about, in general, about outstanding athletes and even athletes who compete for the title of an outstanding

athlete. they are all psychics. no. it's just certain. people who are bold enough about their own lives, they challenge both themselves and society, that is, they show achievements simply, but if we take sports and the circus with you. it's close enough. eh, so to speak, well, forms, but simply one is art, which clothes the achievement still in art form. and sport is a demonstration of achievement in its purest form. that's all, so now you need to come to the circus. he is the people who are born there. yes, your dna was already born like this, if you have one generation, second, third, well, dna is an important question for me and i'm afraid not to ask it. just like the father of the children. so, who also took to the circus as a child, if i got to a bad performance with children, i personally also got into it. there was a moment, i will never go again, in general, this cheese never led his children there until some very moment, and they have already grown up , even what to do if

they got into such a situation now. i am, well, sometimes asked to advise, there young directors of young producers. still, we are successful in the circus. i say guys, we have one very big problem, which is very satiating from the cinema and from the theater when we go to a bad movie. we are talking about this movie. nonsense this performance is nonsense, but when uh people go to a bad circus, they say cheese circus is nonsense, not a specific show not a specific person and then a person. the next day , he goes to another performance, to another artist , to another movie. e with other e, but the circus can no longer go. that's how they've just been saying for years, so i say it's very important for us not to disappoint the public. well, when i went to church as a child, i was left with the impression that this was some kind of set of numbers, but one day i got to las vegas, and i found david and it struck me, that it's not just a dove appeared or what? it's a whole hero arc story, it's

a narrative. this is a big scenario. for a performance in which children are amazing. so, when you compose your programs, how are you? how will we surprise? what story are we going to tell? where does the new program begin ? here, my brother and i shared the producer and the director and his ideas, which, uh, he can boldly brag about. they must have a time and a place, and so often we begin to discuss with him. and what next performance should we do and we are with ourselves in front of us we set two tasks. the first thing that this performance should remain in order for it to be a family visit, so that everyone who comes to us remains satisfied, the second is for people to take something with them, because people often have such emotions. he's here. today i led the clowns in these zapashny games further and further. we are very difficult to list. and

what, there is no main, er, main idea, right? yes, yes, it didn’t touch anything, so askold has been clearly setting himself the task for the last 15 years there that every time some thought he should sow and now, uh, most of our colleagues, there and including. uh, there's a second circus in moscow church. nikulina also began to change the strategy, too, already moving from the form of a divertissement, what you just said a set of numbers to the form of a performance , in order to communicate with the public already, so to speak , when the performance is over, so that people come home, discuss something and did not get it. i liked it, i didn’t like it, it didn’t hurt. here, tell me your opinion. but let's go there again, and let's see if i can do something i didn't catch it, or vice versa, i liked it very much. we need to go again . some kind of little mermaid here in the circus, that's the story. yes , we have done a lot now and, as you know, the story was adapted there by sadko or kame