[000:00:00;00] from the bottom of my heart i congratulate you on the next anniversary of the day, the cosmonautics of the flight of yuri alekseevich gagarin, he then united all people around the earth with his flight e we all, probably, were at some point united in the spirit of this flight, and i really wish that today cosmonautics day. we tried again to be closer to each other. it seems that not so long ago we flew together. this was your second space flight. it was very interesting we played badminton. we celebrated new year's birthdays for the first time cooked olivier in space. and for me it was also another flight, which i remember completely especially, of course, our spacewalk. how are you remember, we weren't going to make any records. we have been preparing for it for a long time on earth. and so it happened. why, after 6 hours of work, in my opinion,

yes, we had to return and continue our work for another 2 hours. and thanks to this, 6s works at the station today. this is a new type of communication in russia and in better quality than even our colleagues. we can each video day. so when i was just with a group of filmmakers, every morning, i had a good connection with the soup, we could discuss these working moments. sasha, how do you like this flight. the first thing i have to say is that this is our new year's legal day off, otherwise they will misunderstand us. the first game sport in space in the history of mankind. it was badminton. and thank you for supporting me in this our space olivier with you, he is the most space in my life, because not only was he in orbit. it was the first time in my life in general olivier well and the main thing, we have passed. here is and to quite their crew. remember, then all the americans liked it, they asked

friday to cook like that. and the way out is, of course, yes. this is serious work. and there would be more such work, i would very much like to do it more , and badminton was not just played there. yes, they dabbled, rackets were officially placed there. we have prepared uh, first of all we have prepared a japanese modment. yes, but, unfortunately, we did not remove one computer, and after our filming it turned out that we had broken one of the new computers and well our friend e marker, have a rest. he took it upon himself to say that it was he who broke him, and i don’t know how dearly our game of badminton cost him. well , they were. we specially filmed frames for the video, because at that time the universiade universiade tournament was taking place on the ground in kazan. yes, bombing and now i can be proud that i have a gold medal at home. that's right out of that kit, because us. uh, those who took part in this game on board, uh,

were awarded gold medals. i i suggest. we have a small this video to watch. remember how it was.

by the way, the rackets remained on board, the guys can now play under the concrete no. i think that he has all these famous rackets, of course, well now, of course, a relic, a museum, maybe one at home. yes? yes , yes, you met a second meaning when you brought this amazing, in my opinion, crew , two tourists at once, we have never had such a thing before, two japanese, two billionaire millionaires. as far as i understand? uh, i don’t know, they were surprised at everything, they are so funny in life said such. these are very polite people. and do you remember their reaction, when you started, when you got to the station, that is , more family still communicated with them, helped them tell everything, well, as it were, protected them. uh, i think that was your biggest challenge. besides that, of course, prepare the ship for the return. well, yes, and so that they do not break the station. but we are all following this. yes , because they didn’t treat it to themselves. you know, i remember that at first i somehow listened to the feedback from previous crews when we were preparing, and before

let's just say, representatives of various other countries-cultures for short flights, and i was a little worried, of course, about how they would relate to the station. yes, how carefully they are thrifty, but maybe this is precisely the japanese mentality. but i don’t remember, i don’t know how you remember, for example, i’m absolutely sure that they treated everything with all sorts of maximum accuracy and attentiveness. once our lens took it and forgot to hang it. in the same place where i took it, and i, apparently, was tired. i give him something yoza said. well, i took it in one place. put it there, well, that's how it should be in general at the station. naturally, yes, but i mean that i was apparently tired and he felt the notes of my emotional upset, and then he did. so in the evening, sasha, i understand how hard it is for you. please forgive me that you started there because of me. although it was in fact, a small thing used to be much more there than others associated with them. to make hara-kiri, if

only you would forgive him, yes, and after parsing they are like that, and we tried very hard to treat carefully to the russian segment. well, in general, to the station and, uh, during our use of the toilet, we never had any emergency situation that was prepared on the ground. oh yes, but that's to the fact that they were very neat. i am very grateful to them for this, of course, it was different from our cinematic group, they were hit in making the film. if you need to prepare. uh, some module to them, at its own discretion, filmed everything that i wanted, promised to return everything back and then they saw that it didn’t return anything much, because it had to be done, on the next day by another module. uh, the only thing he said guys. if you don’t find something, the earth will return there in america and everything will be on us, but we were even given 3 days to sing, in my opinion, so that we could return something back. and so we walked straight ahead , looked at everything to the right, checked everything. e with a database, where what thing should lie. well, then, anyway, they could not find something, or vice versa, they found something else.

long yes after them sasha er, i know that you are very much interested. the future of the future of the earth of space to talk a little about it. yes, come on, and the colonization of e new planet. now. naturally. uh, the first one is our moon , then mars is our next projects, these are space programs, the leading space powers of your vision for the development of not only pilotin, astronautics in general in this direction. you and i know together, yes, that ah, in particular , they are developing our partners and me to deploy our lunar program, that the chinese are flying there, ah, but we are still. unfortunately we don't fly there. and uh, for me the biggest disappointment or not disappointment is frustration. uh, understanding the fact that as civilization grows , in a sense, scale increases.

here. uh, while i lived in one small town. yes and i went through several districts of my school. i had a grid of coordinates. here , yours, not yours, yes, you moved to another city. there is a university, a flying school. any person from your city. you are the most dear , regardless of where he lives, a fellow countryman. yes, he earth moved you to training there in houston and met you heard russian speech in a supermarket - this is the closest to you human. here came out. you are outside the atmosphere. there is no one for you, like, not closer. than a homo sapiens like you, it seems to me, there is a certain study of the law of nature in this, if civilization comes out. here we are technologically ahead of our mental development and none. i am talking about this to aizekasimov, for example, he said that the saddest thing is today. it lies in the fact that the development of science goes much earlier than

the mental development of society. yes, and what will happen if the society has not yet matured mentally, but has already gained access to some advanced technologies. we understand that this is very dangerous. this is where the difficulty lies. and where will the development of technology go? and it is clear that today we are all actively looking for exoplanets. and that is, we continue to expand, that is, from the ground. now every earthling to us , uh, native independence, therefore, uh. well, i at least believe that i have not seen always say it's honest. i have not seen any aliens or flying saucers for those who are now commenting on your words. well, yes, you can’t, but they signed it to speak some papers. yes, well, i definitely believe that we cannot be alone in this boundless space of the universe. yes, there are already more than five thousand exoplanets, yes, that revolve around everyone. uh, the luminary, that is, the stars in the sky are already open, for sure. there are those who are there. yes, in the same orbit as well, i think so, like the earth,

very so comfortable where, of course, it is absolutely possible to speak? yes, this radius e , depending on the intensity of the star, and the radius where the planet could be. uh, and where water, if it is there, is in three states of aggregation. this is called the benefit of life. yes, let's take a different look at how man's ideas about the world have changed . at first, it was believed that it was a flat earth, then that it was round in the center of the world. naturally. we all need to be in the center. that's when we decided. okay okay, so be it. there is not a single smart person there. burnt decided that we are still one of the planet. sol- the sun is not in the center of the whole world, but for a long time it was believed that there were no other planets on one simple basis, we do not see them, that means they don’t exist, yes, and only at the end of the last millennium were exoplanets found. and further after all, this is only a matter of statistics, and all we need is a mass, well, we want our own kind, if for our lives, yes, find

that colonization will be correct colonization. well, what kind of planets? this, of course, is still too mildly speaking, too ambitious, yes, but the fact that there are planets, approaches that are suitable for our life is biological - this is 100%. that is, a person. there will be able to live to develop only to fly when we go there we can do it, yes, and even under the degree of similarity. uh, the earth-likeness index already exists today, but according to the criteria, the mass, and the size and position of the planets in this belt of life according to these two criteria. there is a planet with an earth index. the likeness of 0.95 is almost like the earth, and then it remains, so that there is water, oxygen atmosphere. magnetic fields. only when you have a sample of only 100,000 100 million stars in our galaxy. yes, and the galaxy 100 billion 100 billion stars and 100 billion galaxies. you understand that in this sample, well

there are guaranteed to be such planets when it is us, when we get to them. come on, it's even hard, although progress is taking huge strides, progress is going on the 20th century showed how everything has stepped. yes, i've never thought about this before, but it turns out that we all live according to exponential laws, that is , everything changes non-linearly, and exponentially it's one thing, when you know about it, they say about technology that they develop exponentially there, that is, almost with a geometric progression. and if you look at us people, here is life on earth, it originated 4 billion years ago, the biological 4, billion years ago was rewound. only 100,000 years ago humans appeared. in 1800 there were a billion of us in 1900 billion-600 in 2000 there are 7 billion. here it is an exponent for a long, long, long time there and here

it shoots and this is like a general law of nature and we are just one of the elements that lives according to this exponent. well, when we move to a new house. so let's call it to a new planet. you know, i honestly think that, uh, we 're getting to the point of living with ourselves. until then, we 'll live. i think to another more important moment. but in order to go there, we need to go through it. you know how, if you draw an analogy, there is a theory of black and white holes, why do you fly into a black hole and hop in another place in the universe to a white hole flew out, here we have a more serious challenge facing us. we 've gotten to the point where technology is growing with this exponential growth of everything in life. the number of people is growing, the problems are growing, their significance, their number and the most important task for humanity. in my opinion. today is to overcome this point exponential collection of all crises. if

we overcome it, then an unprecedented, simply fantastic life of humanity awaits us, but there are great chances that we will not overcome it. but irwin corwin, for example, and a hollywood actor back in the last century said that if we do not hurry to change direction. then we run the risk of arriving where the damn thing comes from, that is, when cellular biological life, and while we are clearly working according to this plan, that is, we still need to concentrate on our land percent ecology 100%. well, in particular, according to the consolidated opinion of most climatologists, if in the next 12 years we cannot keep warming at the level of one and a half degrees, then global climate disasters will occur. on earth will not be disgusting. we emit 40 billion tons of carbon dioxide.

in a year this is as much as the whole of africa, plus another third of africa, would also absorb in a year. can you imagine how much we throw away and we survive a bunch of animals from this biosphere. we will have problems, most likely with the availability of available fresh water. we we are talking about humanity in general. i don't take all others. there are geopolitical problems and technological problems in the form of artificial intelligence. what to do with him? and how should we help just to cope with this disease of pollution of the planet, the destruction of our home , the first question and many people believe that artificial intelligence. will never become as smart as a person and is now abbreviated as yes art-fishing jens and other scientists believe that agi art- fishing geners intelligence, comparable to

human. will appear already there , someone says, the next decades, many scientists agree that it will appear by the middle of this century, the question is, even before it has appeared. in whose hands will these neural networks be used. well, they themselves are probably such a vivid example, uh, already used from such weapons, you can probably say cybernetic, we remember the destruction of centrifuges in iran yes, when they were able to introduce a virus there, which eventually led to the fact that centrifuges began to unwind to complete destruction instant setting of a person is not only an enemy to a person, but also a person surrounding everything living around him is an enemy, and so, if this paradigm of behavior is not changed. that we will not be able to with the same artificial intelligence, when it is in theory, i believe that it will move to the next stage of its development and become agi, that is, an independent personality who has not just been trained on a large amount

of information, which he will be able to think about and accept independent solutions. here, to build some kind of relationship with him. you must mentally initially communicate with him not as a subordinate or as a slave or as a thing, because as soon as he becomes aware of himself. he will immediately become much smarter overnight, and that means that humanity is stronger. and if we start this relationship with a relationship. i am strong. i'm right. you are my slave, as soon as he becomes stronger, he will change everything. here's how not to behave. we must first do this among ourselves between people and between people and nature and heard read, but in an open letter, yes, who even signed about that it is to stop training neural networks, right? and the development of artificial intelligence, although it seems to be needed, and everyone understands it, everyone is developing it, and here is one of the leaders of the founders. yes , and he says no. gotta stop. well, not

only to become, they call to stop and develop uniform rules for relations with artificial intelligence. one of it can be said from the ascetics. uh. this is max professor m.a.t., who just organized the movement for friendly. uh, artificial intelligence, that is not treat it and not draw a parallel, artificial intelligence. yeah, this is the terminator, if we do not behave in such a paradigm, then it will never become a terminator. get in, i'll give you a ride, i don't have time. i have business business business well, i have a business conversation with you, in short, there is a topic that you can directly raise a lot of points, but i need it urgently. waiting in

line zhanna premiere tomorrow after the program time has fallen we continue the conversation with my colleague friend pilot cosmonaut alexander missurkin. what examples can you give? used artificial intelligence now to date today's level of artificial intelligence. this is probably the first generation of artificial intelligence , when some kind of neural network, the very technology of neural networks, was invented or proposed several decades ago, in order to implement it, powerful powerful hardware, powerful computers were needed. yes, large computing power, which appeared in the first place. these are all sorts of gpus that are needed for games that are used for mining. that's when it all appeared

, it became possible to train neural networks. they learn from the data volume and then they can mix something new from the same series from what they learned on. yes, but it's poor-quality new ones. uh, decisions are some qualitatively new judgments of the gram. this program can be downloaded to your phone. yes , there are some that you can download. well , at least on a computer on a laptop for sure, but the most well, everyone knows. yes, that such programs learned to play chess there , they defeated a person, and this happened at the end of nineties, but then for a very long time those who do not accept neural networks thought that this is all nonsense there is a chinese game go in which intuition is not needed there, never in a lifetime a human computer will beat 20 years have passed there. and it happened. moreover, they went further and created the next generation of this

program, which, unlike the first generations, where they put the entire array of human experience data into this game, but in the next version of the program they did not give any experience at all. they just set the rules of the game and set a goal, she played by herself for 4 hours and then she won the one that had won before that man, it’s clear that today there are all sorts of people there, and neural networks are already on everyone’s lips like gpt me chat. and when you drive a text, and therefore a picture is created for you, but from the most global application of useful from the point of view of our life, perhaps, an example can be taken from biology. uh, scientists have long known the molecules, the formula of the molecules of various proteins, of which we are a state, well, as it turned out for these proteins, their functions and properties depend not only on the formula but this spatial structure of the molecule.

and scientists could understand some short proteins in their spatial position , understand their properties from this, as for long structures, there weren’t, nor that there weren’t even ideas how to understand, this spatial structure of the molecule is artificial intelligence obtained on the amount of data that was scientists. in a state, i was able to somehow decipher the volumetric structure of long proteins. and today , tens of thousands of them have already been deciphered. this is from what is very serious, yes chat gpt it, as it were, has already gone through several, and several iterations of software updates. i read one report comparing what they can and what they can’t, so that everyone who looks at us can evaluate the possibilities in the description, a task was given that was given to different levels of development of the version. this is gpt chat to other neural networks. and that's just gpt for gp4. this is what elon

musk was talking about, harder than a flat network than gpt 4, please don't teach. and what, what was the task? the hunter goes south 1 kilometer, then turns east. another kilometer passes, then turns north and passes another kilometer. and then he turns out to be at that point from which he began his movement . perpendicular, as it were, yes, it is north to north, which means along the meridian and you have not canceled the conditions that you ended up at the same point somewhere in the country. in general, here are all the levels and chat gpt below the fourth and other neural

networks that were tested, they simply did not answer this correctly correctly , the uneven gp4 network answered correctly. they gave the second problem as an example: you flew east on a plane, flew due east, flew 40,000 km and ended up at the same point where you started the question. what kind of tigers could you see? the correct answer is all any tigers that live a widow, because 40,000 in a closed trajectory. this is just the length of the pc perimeter, here is a gpt 4 chat of this problem level, having learned on arrays of information, can solve such narrow applications from the application, probably, well, about space with you. yes, the most extreme example of er, the use of neural networks to discover exoplanets.

what is the basis of one of the principles, how exoplanets are discovered, this is a photometric principle, when the planet passes, uh, in front of the star we observe , its planet near this star, we, uh, can observe changes in the brightness of the star's glow for a while, because the planets in front of it pass . and here uh was first trained on already known exoplatam. this is a neural network, where we knew for sure that there was an exoplanet, and then they gave it to a to try the entire data array. eh, a telescope with already known that there are already some exoplanets there, but suddenly there is more and please, this neural network has found. there are already more than one planet near those stars that are definitely not visible with modern telescopes. especially since here to see the planet with a resolution of 1.000 by 1.000 pixels. we need a telescope with

a mirror diameter of 80 km. the goat, of course, is impossible, but you met the pilot we didn’t meet pilots, but i think you will agree, but today we are flying at the station, and i have such an association that we are just like an umbilical cord tied to soup. yes, there is a huge amount of telemetric information processed in a soup, where there are many highly specialized professionals in their field. as soon as we talk about flights. uh, well, if there is no current to mars, yes, otherwise this is already the competence of a broader analysis, given the duration of the signal transmission back and forth , a set should be transferred. and that means this one. a well, if not agi, then at least ai, here is today's generation of artificial intelligence, which will be able to analyze where you went? what kind of otzygryz or current surges, it means to check that gas station or that

fan turns out that few people are interested in the scientific component? well talk about biology there cop uh, use today, mostly people now, what do they use it as a toy. yes they sink not dissipate. they live there. they buy something there , build it, i don’t know, they fight. yes, and most importantly, i it seems like humanity. well, i don't know, this layer. it's mostly young people, let's take them. yes, today's youth. it is a little bit in the wrong place, it starts to leave, that is, it does not develop what we say is high technology, but they sit stupidly. well , i don’t know, the phone, the phone, the computer and live right there, they forget what is going on around, in fact, there are other bodies that need to be dealt with in general. you live in a society. you suck it. this is true. but you know, i'm in no hurry to make judgments here or not. affairs. they are engaged, they live according to the vector, according to which, again

, homo sapience is developing along the same exponent. in particular, one of the mass immigrations that are expected in the near future is envisaged. this is just a migration to the digital space, that is, in an additional reality. yes, this is a virtual reaction of the city there, yes, you are already talking there and preparing money for such entertainment clothes. remember the movie, that's exactly what you're talking about, but if you think about it, there are those who seriously think that we can digitize consciousness and there a biological person can die, and this digital twin of him will continue to live, as if you don't know how it will all look like. and is it worth it to stop here, but you understand, this is like one of the sides of any technology, yes, and at the same time , the use of virtual reality in order not to fly to a meeting through half the world there. yes a being in your office, and you

are completely immersed in the atmosphere, as if you are where you were supposed to fly to the meeting. this is probably even by today's standards, it can be convenient, and the use of augmented reality for additional information that you may need or for decorating a work area or ways of relaxing, whether we want it all or not, it will be a question. how will it be used in our society? well, that is , you are in favor of expanding, uh, i am in favor of pissing some restrictions, laws, rules. you spoke very correctly about laws and regulations, and technological development is going much faster than the bodies that should regulate have time. work. yes and you, of course , would need to add speed to them, just so that we consciously understand where this development is going, so that it does not go spontaneously, but controlled, or what? for it to be beneficial, and how to make people's lives

better with these changes, this is something that needs to be seriously thought about. here in these conditions of accelerating change. that is, if we cannot stop it, we must lead it, yes golden words. as you can see, our relationship with artificial intelligence is not that far off. i will speak globally, all people roughly speaking, how from the series were the americans on the moon yes, everyone is divided into two categories, some believe others no, the earth is round flat. yes, yes, and here experts are professionals , amateurs, like me or everyone is ready to express their opinion. yes, not everyone is ready to argue it. they believe that he will never be like a man and therefore a type of threat. he alone does not represent others believe that yes, he can really become reachable. e, in its development to the level of independent analysis of the situation of acceptance new solutions. i do not presume to judge there when it appears, but i am sure my position. yes,

he will show up. that's when he showed up. that is, he is aware of himself. it will not just be a program that fulfills the three laws. you can't harm a person there. you have to think about your safety. if you think of your safety, contrary to the law one. follow the law alone so that's not going to happen. just a program it will be a new form of life. you know why, but let's just talk to you. and what is life life, in the broadest sense, can be considered any process that has the ability to repeat itself, to copy itself, yes, and the ability to process external information. all if this process exists, it copies itself, and at the same time is able to somehow influence the processing of external information, we can assume that this is life, while what is self-copying?

after all, when its dna is copied in a bacterium , no new matters appear , new atoms do not appear, just those that they took and lined up in that structure, which exactly repeats the previous one , only information is copied. thus, we can say that as soon as artificial intelligence appears, which will be able to independently completely copy itself, provide and process external information not because it has learned from a large amount of data. but because now he knows how, as soon as one appears. we can say that this is a new form of life. and moreover, precisely for the reason that he can learn much faster than any person, it is logical to assume that indeed, he will become smarter than people and think that we are able to restrain him. well

, ridiculously, it follows that communication is worth building. at least mutually respectful yes, that's what. i spoke to the friendly partnership movement. to do this, we need to change the internal paradigm. we are not friendly to people on our planet. we are not friendly to animals and you know the most interesting example with animals, as soon as the internal combustion engine appeared, the number of horses became rapidly decrease in 1915 from the sixty million heads that were in the united states by the sixtieth year. there remained 5 million. and only then did the americans decide there. oh, listen, our horses are dying out. let's spend money. let's keep them in order to have fun there, communicate with them and then consciously begin to build this population. here, so that we do not find ourselves in the position of these horses in my

understanding. we must change the paradigm of our attitude towards people. first of all, we must understand that we are a single civilization. if we do this and treat it the same way, then we can treat artificial intelligence the same way. and then we will just move on to that life that today can simply concern us with the unreal, and it seems to me that this is a question of the current century when we either move on or do not move on, and sasha at the end of her meetings on podcasts. i usually ask for my bones. e dream about what a person will do in space, in 50 years, for sure, we will explore mars. certainly the moon, private space 100% will be more developed in part and around the earth, er, there will certainly be a large number of industries in space.

i really hope that we will be able to send devices to the point of the gravitational focus of our sun and get pictures of exoplanets so that we can see the outlines of the continents, the atmosphere, artificial light, if it is there on the night side, that is, such a breakthrough, yes, literally was 60 years ago. yes, it is a breakthrough, and we will have the same one in the future. sasha thank you for coming to visit me today. today we tried to look into the future to talk about artificial intelligence in the digital space 62 years ago, our compatriot yuri alekseevich gagarin gave a start to this, and we congratulate you all on this wonderful day , international day. cosmonautics, my guest was pilot cosmonaut hero of russia alexander sukin and anton shkappers on the podcast