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guest, deputy chairman of the central bank of the russian federation alexei borisovich bobotkin. hello alex, hello. let's start with dreams. why do we need central banks in a market economy ? the economy needs. well, let's say in uh regular maintenance in the proper oversight of the audit. here is the central bank, it is the regulator for the financial sector of the economy in order to use it reliably to use ordinary people or the authorities to ensure that it is convenient to use the financial sector. uh, it 's convenient for society, of course, the role of the b&c is worth it. er, that would be probably the easiest way to answer this question. this is how. i answer it when the children ask me, dad is doing something. uh, i say that i and my colleagues in the central bank.

uh, our main function is to keep money as money, so that the money that you and i use on a daily basis in uh in our lives, and they retain their value, so that the money that is stored in the bank, and not available to you, so that banks are stable and, uh, so that at the moment when you, uh, want to pay for something with this money, the payment system also works without delay. well , let's slowly understand this. i'm just strong. e my career i practically. e. well, i’ve probably been working for 25 years on the other side of the barricades in the company, in fact , which regulate the chain and the issues with this are such, and how much are the powers of the central bank of its invariable function, how much they are unchanged, they develop, what has changed over the past, well , let’s say, 10 over the past 10 years, certainly, but very strongly, the growth in demand for e, security , e, and equipment stability of the payment system, and

e, since the population is increasingly, e, widely using modern non-cash payments, then, naturally. e, and. and as if remote access to financial services. this comes to the fore and therefore in this block of questions, of course. uh, the channel of the central bank has expanded. e. also after every financial crisis. well , the last big financial crisis in the west was in 2008-90, of course , the role of central banks is expanding in terms of regulating the banking sector in order to maintain its stability. and uh, probably, what is happening now in the banking system of modern states will push it even more additional changes. and here is in the middle of cash policy loans. there the task of solving price stability. these, probably, were the ancient functions of central america . to be honest, it has not changed significantly, it is necessary that inflation be low and predictable.

we have a separate block of questions on this topic. so you said the word crisis, yes, that's how crises appear and what the central bank does, of course , the central bank, and it is vested with power, uh, the task has been set. as a matter of fact, it is timely to respond to changes in economic conditions, including e, respond faster to crisis beliefs. sometimes they work, but, well, in terms of, as it were , such a response to evolutionary changes in the economic cycle, that is, there is an acceleration of economic growth, and there is a transition to slower economic growth. the central bank, tends to work proactively. because his actions. they affect the same inflation with significant lags, and therefore we need to take forward, looking decisions in order to stabilize inflation, and in the same time. of course, this is a reaction to the crisis. it usually happens. er, drastically calls for very

quick decisions, and of course, last year was a clear demonstration in this sense, when the board of directors at 9:00 am on the twenty-eighth of february before the opening of financial markets. e, met and made the necessary decision to raise the key rate to 20%, which ensured the maintenance of financial stability even in the face of an unprecedented shock to our financial system. well, i personally as a participant in the financial system. i think, that here are all the actions of the central bank and ongoing throughout the twenty-second year. uh, it's real, well, it's such a small feat that goes unnoticed, but really, here's the clarity of these actions. she was recognized by all, even there, by opponents of our finances. yes, in western countries. eh, everyone agrees on one thing that the central bank was operating. well, as they say, sgud sgs. yes, it doesn't get any better. so you yourself think that the influence of the central bank on development has increased. and the country's economy or not? i will probably answer the question in

a positive way, but not in relation to twenty-second year, but for a longer period of time, that is, with the transition to inflation targeting policy, uh, and uh, after the central bank of our audience, when in 2014 the central bank, uh, said that its task is to maintain e inflation of this rise in prices of the general price level in the economy and after the central bank was able to achieve this goal e in 2017, what in 2015, well, no one believed, because 4% inflation in the country was never in the soviet history has certainly increased e, trust and financial markets and e and the real sector to the fact that the central bank can actually achieve the goals that it sets for itself and e. in terms of financial stability, of course , a lot of work has also been done to strengthen

the banking sector, which also lasted there practically from the thirteenth year and, er, these actions. again, the accumulated effect during this time they laid the foundation. created the necessary foundation that allowed us to operate in the twenty-second year, as we acted and actually allowed economy. uh, respond effectively to our actions. here is the feedback. she is very important. yes, but i would really like you to comment on such a well-known myth or persistent opinion that the central bank of the russian federation is subordinate to the world financial behind the scenes, they completely obey them and does exactly what it is the most global financial behind the scenes. he is ordered in reality, how certain decisions are made. and who decides on monetary policy loans. decision on monetary policy. e in the central bank is adopted by the board of directors of the central bank, and takes place eight times a year. regular e meetings of the board of directors dedicated to e rate e decisions that

are made are prepared during the whole meeting cycle, in which the board of directors. how he makes the decision that, in his opinion , is most consistent with the task of returning inflation to influence. this is the same mythical world financial behind the scenes, they still say that the central bank is not subject to anyone , it acts on its own. well, it comes up right away. this is the world's financial backstage. is there any way to dispel this? uh, back to the first part so uh, komifu, really. to refer to this statement or to this story, as it should be like uh hmm a myth that apparently formed in the nineties, then we had hyperinflation in the early nineties. uh, large budget deficits and the imf actively participated in the foreign exchange form of the international territory actively teaching. vala is to, well, to help or achieve, as it were

, macroeconomic stabilization to reduce inflation and so on. and uh, for this, uh, the imf was lending to the russian economy loans to the russian government. and these loans were conditioned by certain parameters of actions that were required and that's the government. and here is the central bank, but we paid off all our loans when we got rid of the loans in the second year. we have repaid all the imf loans since then e are not bound by any obligations. that is, let's clearly formulate for our audience that since 2002 there are not even prerequisites to think that the central bank is subordinate to someone for some kind of financial dependence, well, direct financial dependence lending in exchange for some solutions in terms of economic development. the central bank has sorted out the filing for the state house, which we will soon go to the annual match, yes, and if we take the players here, the central bank of the ministry of finance of the ministry of economic development, and,

well, firstly, very often they all have independent opinions on certain issues, starting there from the two-circuit system of currencies. yes it comes to an end with frame ruble. and these are players of the same level. they have the same weight. here is the central bank of the ministry of finance and the ministry of economic development who listens more uh, uh, each department acts in within our mandate and er, we certainly work in regular interaction with the minek government. and the ministry of finance is a specialized agency. we certainly compare our position when preparing delivery decisions, but they will not know about our decision and our updated forecast at the same time as everyone else at 1:30, no, no. you are watching the easy money podcast and today we are talking to the deputy chairman of the bank of russia alexei bobotkin. how important is the trust of citizens for the central bank and in general, is it possible

to achieve such a policy and openness here are a few words about this informational central bank, so that citizens really trust that the central bank is doing everything right. there is such a goal first the trust of citizens is very important and there is certainly such a goal. it is difficult to achieve, especially in a country where inflation has been either high or very high or hyperinflation for a long period of time, and in this sense to earn the trust of analysts of professional participants in the banking market. uh, it's much easier, if we look at, uh, analyst polls, you can see that for many years, as it were, analysts they believe that inflation will be 4% with citizens, of course this is hmm communication is complicated by the fact that macroeconomics is a complex subject area in general, which, uh, most people do not

encounter in everyday life, so for us, probably, in terms of this in order to earn the trust of society, the surest way is to achieve what we promise the criterion, which is it. we have some criteria. do you think that the public's trust in the central bank has increased or decreased? that is, how how how how you measure there are various tools most like that. uh, the publicly visible one is our regular inflation expectations polls, where on a monthly basis the public opinion foundation conducts polls. uh, 2,000 citizens every month about their information expectations for the future and we publish this is an important part, oh. well, this is a representative sample throughout the russian federation yes. even now, these inflationary expectations are falling much faster than they did in 1919-1717. this allowed us to reduce the rate faster in

last year, but still they are somewhat higher than they were in the xvii-xviii nineteenth century, when inflation was close to four percent in many developed countries, there is a huge number of regulators. well, on the example of the same america, there are them. uh, there's even a dozen more. yes, each industry regulates separately, this or that department is often commercial in england. and we have a mega-regulator. it is even officially called the mega-regulator, but the central bank of the russian federation, and in this regard, the question. what is the role of the chairman of the central bank personally is in the very formation of trust and in decisions. reveal a little secret to us. how is the, uh, meeting of these same directors. how elvirian episode. they listen to how important her opinion is, that is, the role of the chairman of the central bank as a regulator , see let's break the question into two parts, the role of the chairman of the central bank as the first person of a large organization, it is very multifaceted,

like the role of any first person of a very large organization. yes. eh, but if you say e, specifically about the decision on monetary policy, then i would put it this way, the main role in the decision-making process is to make sure that all the views of the discussion participants who are involved in preparing the supply decision. they were heard, the forks were marked where there is a discrepancy in the assessment of the current situation or assumptions about what awaits us in the future and , accordingly, the risks were adequately assessed in relation to what emerges as some kind of collegial opinion about base scenario. that is , i formulated this in such a way that it consists in the fact that after the results of a comprehensive discussion a weighted consensus is formed, monetary policy,

in fact, we will move on to it. and what is it in general and why is it needed ? this is actually necessary for business and citizens. this is necessary in order to the purchasing power of his savings was preserved, so that the purchasing power of his income was preserved, and the business had a predictable dynamics. the price allows you to better predict. e your profitability your uh, future, uh, financial position. and this, in turn, actually reduces investment risks. and ceteris paribus, e, contributes to sustainable economic growth. well, they practically answered my next question, but i still asked his ass. direct for business, what is more important low inflation or predictable? as shows uh experience, uh, many decades from many

countries predictable, there is only low inflation, good answer. uh then, well then, next question. is there such a thing as normal inflation or low inflation? is there such an understanding in numbers, how much is it? well, there is no concept of normal inflation. here, uh, there are good ones, and the answer from one of the uh, central bankers ellan greenpin, which he gave at the system meeting, yes for our audience, yes, which he gave at one of the delivery meetings. uh, in the early 2000s, when asked, well, what is the price stability? well, actually, what is it , and he thought he answered. this is such a rate of inflation, such a rate is simply cyan at which , uh, it is invisible to the common man. accordingly, for each this level is probably different, but it is definitely a value that is below 5% in our case, 4% is the goal of inflation. well, that is, the market manages

to correlate the incomes of citizens in such a way that, along with the rise in prices, it is imperceptible. well , or almost imperceptibly, it is clear that it is impossible to do this for each product from the basket. yes, but in the whole basket consumption. yes, uh, it was subtly good that inflation didn't affect the decisions you make, yes, that you didn't think about whether you should save or not, because you are afraid that inflation will eat your savings. let's talk about numbers about our country. i think this will be a nice question, because the inflation figures for february have just come out, the year 23 will be easier than the second year 20. at the moment it is difficult to give a short answer, because there are two ways to measure inflation, the figure that most often publishes and is the annual inflation. that is, it is the accumulated increase in prices. some smart period of this year towards the end of march last year. this value will be below 4%. and in april, most likely, it will even decrease further, does this mean that inflation has already

returned to our target, not quite 4% yes, it coincides with the target on the twenty-fourth. it is necessary to distinguish between the goal, what the central bank is striving for, how to return or keep inflation at this level, and the forecast, for example, the inflation forecast for this year, which is somewhat above 5-7, but next year and beyond. we expect inflation to be 4% and the target is near the four percent centers. let's talk a little about the issue that is of concern. i think that each how the ruble exchange rate is formed. and in general, why the exchange rate of the ruble is formed precisely against the dollar, someday we will stop counting the exchange rate of our ruble against the dollar. and how now, uh, is the process of implementing the economy. and what part does the central bank take in this, if it takes, of course, many questions at once, it has slightly different topics. yes yes it is if if we talk about the formation of the exchange rate, then we are used to measuring the exchange rate, not to form, but to measure

the ruble exchange rate and its relationship with the us dollar in the same way as for most other currencies, it is also the main one. e ratio this e-e exchange rate is measured by citizens of other countries in relation to the dollar, but not everywhere, for example, in central europe the main ratio e, the currency of local currencies is from. well, let's say the citizens are not looking at the ratio with the dollar. she ate the ratio. yes and accordingly, why e in many countries indeed, these relations of the national currency with the dollar, this is the focus of attention. uh, the public on this is due to the fact that the dollar has been the main currency of economic relations for many years, including for us, uh, foreign trade settlements and plus dollars for almost 40 years. it was the currency. which was low inflation, it was a good reliable measure of value and therefore it was convenient to measure the value of other currencies in relation

to what is constant yes e comparative, but taking into account the fact that inflation in the united states and in fact both in the euro area and in the uk in the last 2 years it has exceeded, whatever it was that was observed, and in the previous few decades, let's say it was eight and nine and 10% in europe at the moment exceeded 10 countries, until now it has been even higher lately and in these conditions it is unconditional to compare, as it were, the value of their national currency. against what becomes more fluid and not unstable, more-mented is actually more debatable, but uh, if to sum up from the point of view of a russian citizen in fact. well, not the ratio of the ruble to the dollar, the non-exchange rate of the ruble to the dollar or some other currency, but the purchasing power of the ruble. that is, the rate at which you

can exchange your rubles for a basket of those goods and services that you use the central bank in this. e takes some part, directly or everything is going on how is it going and economic relations are developing in such a way that, well, here it is. now many countries are transitioning. e in their relations with each other without reference to us dollar you are seeing this trend. uh , what is really russia with its trading partners to a greater extent, uh, located in the hemisphere. yes, with china with indonesia with the same with india there. well, or there with latin america that is, is there a trend? well, i’m not even a trend, it’s such a rapid shift that took place over the past year and continues, this is due to the fact that the sanctions that were introduced passed in the first quarter. the weather, they made it very difficult for our uh, uh companies involved in foreign trade and, accordingly, they seem

to use other means of payment, which are more convenient and, accordingly, are more reliable money for these companies. well, if you look at the structure of citizens' savings, citizens also significantly reduced their foreign currency deposits and increased the share of rubles in their savings. now i will ask such a tricky question. it is simple from the audience. why can’t you just take here, set the dollar exchange rate like this in the calculations, let’s say with our partners there, with the same china and india the level of the course is determined by the balance of interests. e of all uh, well, different uh, like in companies and a-a participants in the relationship, yes, that is, uh, an exporter. eh, a weaker exchange rate is really more profitable, other things being equal , a stronger exchange rate is beneficial to importers and citizens, because it reduces the prices of imported goods and services and makes them more affordable. eh, and there those companies that are involved in

investment processes benefit from it too. uh, well, rather a stronger course, since it will allow them, as if cheaper by mentioning fingers, because external conditions are constantly changing flexible rate, it allows the economy. to respond quickly to the changes that are taking place there in the prices of our exports, there are oil metals, and, uh, for sure. rates also respond to changes in the removal of imports. last year , imports became much more difficult due to the sanctions restrictions that we are fiddling with in countries for our lakes, which we buy. here, uh, the supply of imports became more complicated in order to provide them with high costs for transportation to calculations, which here is a stronger rate, which was last year. as a matter of fact, he allowed, as it were, to compensate or soften. eh, the consequences of these changes for

the period while they were most acute. uh, we see the consequences now, what is being countered. well, the rate also affects the rate of the central bank, but in fact we all understand that this is impossible. is it possible to say that, in fact, no matter what happens in our relationship? with traditional partners, yes, to whom they were, there are america and the european union and the gdp of the countries with which we continue market relations, the same china and india indonesia, it is higher than the gdp of the countries with which we have significantly reduced our relations, and they remain market and the economy of the russian federation still remains a market economy, where they are completely unacceptable. these are the decreed settings of gdp rates - this is gross domestic power, which we continue to actively interact and expand our e, cooperation of the russian federation remains an open economy. uh, the main one at the market

principles and in this sense, flexible exchange rates are what provide the most. e, operational adjustment of the economy to the new conformity of the market character of this economy. now let's ask this the price is actually here, as it were, the regulation of the exchange rate. this is the same as fixing prices there. if there is price fixing, then there will most likely be differentiation. there are still soviet times, when a person sells old socks at the market at an insane price that exceeds new ones. that's what the person is asking. well that's why you sell something, you say? well, you don't have to and let's go. he returns from the market, he stands again and says, how much is even more expensive now. that's what happened? why does he say so? yes, we really need money. unfortunately, this doesn't work. i ask the most popular question. why can't you just take and print so many rubles. how much needs to be invested in a targeted way in those projects that need funding, there is

infrastructure. there are factories, because, uh, this is the targeted use of funds. it's just the first step of what happens next with money in more detail, then we must understand that at the moment when the road is being built, the money allocated for its construction, and a significant part of it goes. in fact , the other part goes to suppliers to pay the salaries of those people who work on this construction. there concrete asphalt, gravel and so on. after this money is distributed there. they begin to freely circulate further in the economy, and they quite quickly shift up the demand for cement for concrete by crushed stone on asphalt and so on, and those days that uh workers received in the form of wages. they are accordingly. uh.

how would, don't get me wrong, how wonderful is the creation of jobs and uh, those people who before that did not have a job opportunity get there a good, swallowable job that is good for society, but uh in a situation where there is not much in the economy free hands. and i kind of want to draw your attention to the fact that over the past year, unemployment has been declining and now it is at a historical minimum level number of reasons, er, but nonetheless. yes , this is a fact, and under these conditions , competition for those people who will build roads, plants, bridges is getting tougher, and wages are already rising without any targeted funding. and when the people they think they are richer they got more money, but when the store comes to the store the amount of goods that they can buy with that money. well, it didn’t instantly increase and, accordingly, this is a broadcast,

so it’s important here. the balance of this is that we don’t need to invest in infrastructure, but these investments must be correlated with financial ones. with the possibilities of the economy, in fact, the answer lies in the fact that it is impossible to print money and finance it to invest it in a targeted way in such a way that it does not affect inflation in any way . inflation will somehow correspond to this reprint. the second year, indeed , the budget had such a significant deficit. uh, well, uh, last year, about 2% of gdp, uh, in the twentieth year, even more, the central bank monitors budget deficit. and of course budgetary policy is an important part. uh, those, uh prerequisites to which we build our macroeconomic forecast budgets are considered dangerous for the economy, so to speak. it's, uh, rather the key here is, uh, the overall sustainability of fiscal

policy. here, one deficit parameter is taken separately for years. uh-huh, this is not quite enough for a verdict or a diagnosis, well, i'm still on the numbers, i keep putting you on the figure, we'll say the next thing is that the three-year budget that was submitted by the government in october and which was, and adopted by parliament, involves a gradual reduction of the budget deficit to a level of about 1% of gdp in the twenty-fifth year in the twenty-third. what is about two percent in this plan this year is also an acceptable budget deficit and risks, so that it is important that we cooperate, so that yes, well, actually we are for ours. uh, we are talking with you fellow citizens that the central bank, including the central bank , monitors the parameters that governments make in the draft budget laws, and the trend that is laid down,

or rather, which are predicted, it is completely satisfied, that is, this is a decrease in the budget deficit from 2%, yes, i understand correctly to 1. in cents, 25 years and maintaining approximately at this level in the future, you know, in the twenty- second year at the beginning, actually in the spring , especially most experts predicted the fall of the economy of the russian federation in the order of 8-10%. what happened, in fact, how the economy changed, and in the twenty- second year and what do you expect from the year 23 on the same numbers. uh, the rise of the fall is ours the forecast that was published in february is updated for the forecast quarterly, next time this year. yes, for this year, it assumes gdp dynamics in the range from minus one to plus one percent compared to last year, but i will say right away that in the first quarter , the operational data that we have indicate that, in general, the situation is developing , well, rather, there is in the more

optimistic part of this range, due to which there are such wonderful questions here as well. i think that this is probably well played by two factors. the first is that after all, probably, there were more modest expectations for, so to speak, timeliness and, uh, from the dimension of uh, those measures. e responses that were taken by the authorities e in march april may last year. the answer to the island and the phase of the crisis is, of course, as it were. for example what kind of stabilization of the financial system. uh, maintaining the availability of credit is the most critical important sectors of the economy in the period until the rate was. yes it was how long was the bet 20, how quickly did it come to a bet that matched up to the time question uh, bet

20, and lasted a little over a month and beyond. it went down all those famous 3% and when we came to 7% at 7 1/2 we came in september and here i want to emphasize that, of course, uh, everyone uh, had an experience in memory, uh, 14-15 year, when the rate was raised to 17:00, they are up to 20 and only towards the end of the seventeenth year. it dropped to 7.5%, 3 years, and now for 6 months a lot of entrepreneurs come, we talk about different things on different topics and that’s all, the consensus forecast. here is optional. let's bet five. yes, that is, royal borrowing funds, well, it is clear that there must be a balance between the interesting ones , er, sectors of the economy. and of course great. it's for businesses that prefix fives will be significantly cheaper than loans because prefix fives are likely to have much higher inflation and inflationary expectations of loan balances do not depend

directly on the key rate. they differ. the rate affects them, of course, but it does not depend on me directly, and the longer the term, the greater the degree. the rates depend on the future inflation from future inflation expectations than from our key has become. let's come up with one more number. uh, as far as the economy still asked for in the twenty-second year, and according to the latest estimate, it was 2.1% and, of course, these are much more moderate results, more or less radically, than what remained. yes, this is an order of magnitude, that is, families with expectations of 20 - this is exactly an order of 10 times less. here and uh, here here we are 0.1 - this is there in a timely manner and uh, proportionate. uh, calling the action of the authorities on the second factor, which is rather, well, i would said he was even more important. yes, this is what e private business, as it were, has demonstrated a much greater degree of flexibility from the ability to quickly adapt to conditions. here, uh, than uh, what

was arranged here in those expectations there for a fall of 8-10%, which uh were the second quarter of the central banks. the whole world is tightening credit policy, that is, in this way money is withdrawn from the central bank system for itself, and embedding in this, uh, trend to tighten monetary policy, or still russia will go its own way and now the economy develops in such a way that it is more worth looking in the opposite direction, if not mitigation, then at least immutability for some time. yes our economy and financial system under the sanctions is less integrated into the global financial markets. and in this sense, such a rapid transfer of the tightening of global monetary credit policy or the broader concept of monetary credit conditions. that is, there is how much money there is, as it were, in the world economies. how accessible are they?

our uh, financial markets on the yield of ofz on the exchange rate is the federal law state debt , yes, uh, this transfer is uh, well, now it is much more restrained than it was before february last year, but uh, the impact of the world economy on the russian through uh our foreign trade, depending on it, it remains, and therefore, if, as a result of tightening e policies of other central banks, we get a significant slowdown in the world economy, then this e may well act as an additional inflationary factor. this is because our terms of foreign trade. uh, the last question will get worse alexey, i always ask it at the end of each podcast. what should be done? well , in this case, probably, cb so that all russians become the richest and

happiest. i think that the less inflation eats away from the savings of citizens, the more chances citizens will have. everything will get richer, but the central bank is on guard so that money remains money. and at least what we earn. we were able to quite adequately. uh get goods and services as well, according to your own labor. this is certainly true. alexei i am very glad that we have discussed such a complex topic, what does the central bank do? how does it do it and why does it do it? thank you very much. today again we are sergey on ourselves and tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist and psychotherapist. hello and today in our studio marina

i had such a request literally. recently i realized that i am not aware of my femininity, what is it? well, i'll start with the fact that i'm a manager and i have a more masculine character. yes, and how would my position it obliges me, as it were, to keep myself, and lately. i'm trying to consider a woman for myself, yes, only a woman that i will like, what i should be there. and that's what, literally recently, i hmm realized that i'm chasing some kind of a certain pattern of this femininity a generally accepted pattern. it must be some kind of vanilla femininity there, yes, there is a vanilla woman, mimimi there, i don’t know, i hate those. so, i realized that this is not about me, but i 'm chasing it, but it's not about me at all and well,

it's just one little man literally there a few days ago, a girl told me, she says, i like your femininity so much. she is special for you, she is different for you, and i realized that i mean her, i don’t see her. well, that is, i don’t understand what kind of mine it is and i’m chasing some kind of template. that's for just such that i want to consider it. and apparently i don’t accept it, as far as i understand from myself again, if for some reason i chase this vanilla for some reason, according to you, you are in control as a result of the fact that you have a masculine character or you still have a masculine warehouse character because you are in control. there will be bad questions. i think one follows from the other. i have been on my own since childhood. since childhood, i have not been involved, almost my parents. that is, i have always been left to myself, even somewhere right from childhood. some duties were delegated to me, which, in principle, are not suitable for a child. well, yeah, well, i mean at that point , uh, so i think it's more

likely that i've always been responsible. i had to be responsible. i have always been the eldest, as it were, well, respectively, in the end. i manage. then, as it were, the logic builds up a little differently, because you started with the fact that i am a manager, and therefore i have a masculine character. now it's turning around a bit. and as a result, it is being revised, because, well, we need, of course, to detect some determinism, and elements in the psyche, and for the terminated events of your last year, so that we can raise, so to speak, where all this could communicate and began, and you younger brothers sisters younger brother is 8 years younger. yes to me now 42. 8 years old, essentially grew up alone with her parents. yes, that’s how this gap is, what do you remember about it now i vaguely remember, i practically don’t remember, and this period there are some such

small outbreaks there is some kind of new year there , i don’t know, some went to visit. well , here's something like that, i just remember what i remember, just the same, when i started to remember better, when my brother appeared. i abruptly became an older older adult. that's it, i've been here for 8 years. i was already an adult. yes, i don't remember. no, not like that, come on, here we are going to visit. i mother, father. yes, how old are you at this moment, whom did you go to visit, what is happening right in the present tense. write friends of my parents, very good friends. there was a certain company there, there were just three or four families, i don’t remember exactly, and we constantly, if we gathered. these are holidays events, especially the new year. for some reason, i remember exactly the new year, it was just these families. we were the children i was. well, a girl and

another boy, who is older than me , everything that i remember myself is sitting at the table at table. they somehow communicate on their own topics there, who are in the same room, who is in the kitchen here smokes something else there such a feeling somehow in their own kind of merke why , well, i want to say some my mirok that is, i do not belong to them. i myself play relaxed. but in principle, somehow here, but how would they describe you. here is marina with us, she is what an independent. well , such a marina will always be there. yes hmm well i mean, marina isn't going anywhere, if you bet nothing would happen to her. it looked like some form, how could seem indifferent towards you. yes, i still have a feeling, that is, that , well, as if unloved, probably, yes, there is not a board on this or somehow i do not know how a girl. yes, i always have the feeling that i was mine. and even as a child i

always played with toys and there was a machine gun a pistol a ball there was something like that, that is. well, here's the boy, it seems that it was your choice, or is it still how you were brought up. it's likely you weren't my choice. i think you're wondering why you could choose is being a boy the first phrase that comes to mind? did the pope want a boy? did the father want a son? yes, well, somehow here in some conversations. i heard it. that's not right. he told me that, well, no, i first wanted a boy, i don't remember this. yes, but in some e, that dad really wanted a boy. suppose that the first rejection of your femininity happened then in childhood, it was completely unconscious, but it led you to, let's say , meet with dad, so that there would be more mutual understanding, so that dad would feel good, like would, and then grow and, accordingly, 8 years old boy is born your brother your reaction. how

did you associate yourself with these events in general, how would you cope with the fact that a new person appeared in the world. i hung on myself, based on my own position, i hung such a responsibility for him on myself. i am the oldest. well, i was told that. there, you are older, you have become older. now it was generally happening in the family when he appeared. it was long-awaited very strongly in him in my brother in my she is straight. sorry for the expression ass kissed him there, yeah, and that's right all the time it's on my mind, again, dad. here is dad, and how is dad with him? well, son he is the son, although he is the youngest there i am older, but he is with the son of a man. some other upbringing is different.

this mom didn’t have him right here like that, right here, with a skirt right here looks like a skirt, there are films, yes, but as if dad, but to him, well, like a boy, i don’t know how to write it. i didn’t mess around, i didn’t poke all the time, somehow i don’t know how to get the word they had some kind of activities that you and dad didn’t have. don't know there to go fishing to hunt in garage. no, i'll explain now, bro, i don't remember just at what age? but he went to the kindergarten, he was taken to the kindergarten to his grandmother, and i don’t remember. for some reason, i had a little one there, yes, and that somehow then i didn’t ask further, it seems, as if the state of health, the climate is different there and my brother was sent to my grandmother. that is, i grew up with my parents' desires all the time. and they took him there, then my parents went there to tambov , now i’ll tell you when he was 12 or 13 years old, about the same as adults you are no longer 14 years old.

lived. yes, i was 21 years old. i'm 20 yes 20-21 almost uh-huh. so i've already begun to live separately , yeah. here, but as if my father did not have this time. here, well, uh, okay. and then they grew up. so you become a girl and you are fourteen there. well, how did you feel about yourself? how did you feel in this world kid? ah here is, i have perception was always only behavior such. here is our somehow something. i don't know it there. well, the behavior is more nuchkov. well, they don't. well , why do you think? i don't know how correct this is? well, daddy is me perceived. uh-huh well, my dad took me like that. uh-huh well, accordingly, probably, other men or other people there, probably, should have looked at other girls who behaved differently under bonfires, and we are psychologists sergey on ourselves at tatyana krasnovskaya. our guest is marina with whom

we are discussing the nature of femininity today. what is the key fear now to become this woman, because i said that i hate vanilla women, but to support you, but at the same time, with all this, it was a certain the trick that those images that you reject in many ways carry a danger to you, which means marina has become a vanilla woman? so let's imagine once marina is a vanilla woman, and what will happen in this world in your world, perhaps the world. thank you, leave with what i'm leaving. here, with understanding, with the understanding that i , first of all, we found these moments. honestly, i didn’t even realize somehow, i didn’t understand that it’s very valuable for me that we call these moments of my initiation. so i saw them too they were very important on well, as on my becoming, as a woman it's cool. and,

accordingly, that i do not owe anything to anyone in fact. and just this moment, when hmm well, i realized that i'm not yet where i need to be. i came here with this, but now there is still a moment that m-m. just accept, just enjoy, just be. well, simply yes , femininity will simply be revealed there. you don't have to do anything yourself. this is not a wearable procedure. yes found that you just have to be it seems. yes, just it just sounds like a word. yes, it's not always clear how to do it. that is, how does it actually manifest itself, huh? i have, uh, understanding how to do it? yes, it is. i can just write this state, as i understand it, as i feel it, as just being when you are in the moment, and you don’t have extraneous thoughts in your head. are you thinking of something in the future that i need to do? you are not in the past. the pace is digesting some

situation. my aunt lyusya stepped on my foot 2 hours ago, how painful it was, what kind of bastard is she? excuse me, yes, and you here you see some manifestations of a person and, well, you know the state of some kind of silence. yes, i don’t know, inner silence, and you are in observation. you spoke very beautifully about the future, about the past, about the future. this is when the surrounding men show attention to you. but you don’t make plans to give your grandchildren the past, respectively, you don’t return, the future is to remove this position, i have to do it there, and i’ve already built everything there, yes, but i can’t drag the past. here is the baggage from the past. here are the experiences of past men are real. yes, it's just there there is just a person, how to let him be like this, to remove this importance. this is the importance of attention approaching you because you, unlike the baby of the girl who had this initiation. you are an adult woman who

is actually able to withstand this borderline and let you in and approach you as much as you feel comfortable , even this pleasant, correct, good game. and just in this, there is even femininity, yes, the class is super. it's good, in general. thank you very much. thanks, well it was podcasters with you. we are sergey on ourselves. he is tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologists and psychotherapists, and marina was our guest with whom we talked about nature and her femininity.