[000:00:00;00] boris pasternak gets to the end with beautiful complexity a and with beautiful obscurity boris pasternak is an instant thunderstorm for a century. and then summer said goodbye to the station, he took off his hat, took 100 blinding photographs at night as a keepsake of thunder, the lilac brush froze forever, at this time he picked up a bunch of lightning from the field with them to illuminate the management house and when the cover of the forest of the building a wave of evil kinship spread. and like coal according to the drawing a downpour struck, all the wattle fence began to blink, a collapse of consciousness. it seemed, but the charger. even those corners of the mind, where now

as bright as day, what happens at the end, and in elsewhere, boris pasternak says it's a work of art. whatever they are , they always talk about the moment of their birth. this is a very subtle remark it has right. attitude to what pasternak gives us in poetry, because this poem is not about how zarnitsa snatch familiar pictures from the night, but about how it is born, this is the very poem before our eyes, and at the end we see an amazing insight when the cover building, a wave of gloating erupted. and as coal is meant in the picture, coal pencil, of course. e, the downpour struck everyone. why do we weave? because the jets are parallel, as if branches intertwined in a wattle fence, and the collapse of consciousness began to brighten. and here it seemed to rage. even those corners of the mind, where it is now bright during the day , it’s not a thing to illuminate those areas of consciousness where it’s dark, this is not the most, the main thing is not the most.

the main thing is to take pictures out of the darkness. the most important thing is to understand that even what seems to you to be light, clear, transparent, but familiar. even this is incomprehensible to you until you bring yourself into this poetic state. the main thing is not to snatch the light out of the darkness, and the main thing is to see a different quality of light even those corners of the mind, where it is now light as in the daytime , are lit up with a new color. i understand. this is precisely at the moment when thunder and lightning in the complex, deliberately complicated image of a photographer light these candles and, uh, strive to get into the management’s house and give us a picture that is familiar to us by day and not visible at night boris pasternak thunderstorm. instant for a century. well, we will now return to the conversation by sergei

ivanovich. and after this beautiful poem, which i love very much, in which even and all the words are rearranged, right? a thunderstorm is instant for a century, this is an inversion - this is not a very natural word order. let's return to our conversation in russian. and let's talk about your editorial work. firstly, it is very important to me how literary magazines live now. what about the magazine znamya what has changed and i would very much like to talk about your projects. here from this series, and here we see one volume from e two-volume, e, created by sergei ivanovich chuprinin new russia world of literature. let's start this amazing project with him. there are famous words, russian writers, where articles are written about all the writers who had at least one book

of the 19th century. a huge team of authors about the 19th century is working on this seven-volume book. they write and continue to write the last volume has not yet come out, and here is one member. and i wrote, and these two volumes, this is a wonderful work. i think that in 200 years too, but in these twenty or thirty years. uh, years will be judged by m-m, according to this book there is, for example, a twitchy one, petrovich well, here all clear. this is a poet, a songwriter. here there are such namely as a tree, and a hole db nobody knows, but they have books, what can you say about this work of yours. it's not criticism, it's quite. i usually say that my base profession is a critic, but for the last 30 years i have been engaged in editorial activity, as an editor, and editorial activity to a certain extent interferes with buckwheat studies. you lose your freedom of movement. well, yes, you

seem to squeeze in some kind of squeeze yourself behind you, after all, a magazine and some too a cheeky statement of yours critical can be used professionally incorrectly by some cautious one too . yes, yes, yes, yes, you control yourself, but according to your soul, according to spiritual inclinations, that is, the latter. well, 30 years, probably no less. i'm sorry, i'm high fire word educator. it is not high at all, it is not so important to win an argument, although i have taken part in various literary disputes in my lifetime. anyway, glory. you’re typing god, i’ll tell you right now, but 50-7 years old opa, here’s some serious data and some

discussion articles and all that. it is more interesting for me to share my experience and add to my experience, well, some new additional knowledge. why did the idea of ​​a dictionary arise and it was such a time, in general, when i took up all this, she stopped writing things that were not very clear about literature, what was happening in life was incomprehensibly literary-centrism. it seems to be over, what happens to writers who live outside the russian federation, no one knows anything about hmm writers of authoritative brandos, as i call them? and everything seems to be known. yes, if these are more modest names, but it is also worth remembering gogol, yes, tell the sovereign, emperors, that such a thing lives. well, yes, of course, in fact, every person

who takes up a pen is there, and then the chuprint came and fixed it. but it’s so at least somehow, otherwise, no one but you, yes, yes, then another idea arose that you can do these on your own, but again, sorry for the highly pro encyclopedic studies, and it really turned out to be my most favorite book. life according to the concepts is beautiful, this is an attempt. hmm give a theoretical outline, literature based on the current flowing literary facts , facts, everyone knows what it is to write a table or put under the knife, er, well, you are not talking about this later time, but nevertheless. here are the current students. i'm not sure they understand what it means to let in yes, that's what we're talking about. yes, yes, and how it was transformed in the last decades of the twentieth century into the first

of the current plot. and what happens to roman well, and so on and so forth. this is the copyright, of course, of the reference book again, because this is my point of view, yes, at the literary institute kursk which is called the conduct of modern literary space. not quite science, of course, but probably your studios about the thaw let's round everything off with them. still, this is also not science, and the same with otyu. the first time i did this was at the end of the eighties, the time was such a yard, here it is, again, before the debility, which then resulted in

perestroika. that's what is the image of our very culture. i released you atrich, who are some, who are probably talongia, a selected piece that sounded the most, which most passed, then remained 30 years of life have passed radically, maybe she got pregnant, and it occurred to me to return to this again, that is, and something of the present is changing the image of the past, of course, yes absolutely definitely. i decided to return to this again, it is pointless to release an ontology, because all these texts are now in life, yes. yes, and so on, but even here the ontology was accompanied by a chronicle of the most important events. she usually starts. i have 53 subscribers on march 5 from the date of stalin's death and ended in in the sixty-eighth year, when the troops of the warsaw pact entered prague. here you have ended another story,

about which others have been talking about for 15 years. as a matter of fact, 15 years, yes it is curious. by the way, what is this? here are the times these are the times of such a sharp renewal of drastic changes everywhere. this is what they call movement they repeated in the 20th century. three times in russia. yes, yes, and every time for 15 years the silver age is moving, the thaw is moving. and this is what we call class restructuring. and during this time just appeared in the press, a huge fantastic number of documents and archival documents and memoirs, and freedom in correspondence and what not only words are very important. i, for example, could not simply accommodate this huge house.

yes, tom sergei ivanovich primitive it would seem that way along the chronology of chronology, of course, yes, such and such a number happened so-and-so this happened , so-and-so printed events, and it happens there, well, the most unexpected, for example, rapprochement. well, let's say november 1962. one day in the new world at the same time as him in in the pioneer magazine bonfire brodsky, the first publication of wrestlers within one month is a huge, stunning event for everyone with the release of one day and water, an inconspicuous and inconspicuous publication of a children's stitch long in sudebrodsky will, as it were, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, great, how close everything is , as everything changes, i will say that the book is glory, the second one came out to god. it has already, in fact, been handed over

by the government, we are polishing it by the president. i really want it to be correct longer, so that there is less inaccuracy and more corrections. i posted in social networks. the hope that someone will wake up, something collected will clarify and say no, it was not at all like that. i am very grateful to all my under this readers in social networks and in a short preface to this volume, it will also be big too, somewhere under 1.000 pages of gratitude i will say exactly. what is it. this is a biographical dictionary. there , let's say i have a course on the essay, fraternal where am i? well, i'm trying to give a slightly different view of this historical

figure than usual. eh, essay. oh anchor who wrote. hello, literary work yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes and thus, as it were, planted borodsky. uh-huh and, of course, about such titanic figures as the tvardovsky pizhey man, i write colleagues of the new world, they are worthy people and dementiev-lakshins vinogradov and i. yes, i'm holding myself. this is already indebted to very, very many writers of that historical time in a wide range. he began to marry pre-voinovichi. well, here we are, at the end of our conversation, plunged into the era, and the domination of literature centrism, when each literature. opinion every literary gesture resonates sometimes delight yes sometimes unfortunately repression and an act of no freedom. and uh. i think

that hmm, this paphos is a very good conclusion to today's conversation, because life goes on, the magazine znamya continues to come out. you keep working. we are looking forward to new books, and it is my pleasure to thank you for today's conversation. eh, all the best. we'll see you again. goodbye sergey ivanovich thank you you watched the next issue literary podcast, which is called let them not talk, let them read, and i dmitry bak tell you, as always, with pathos and energy, read with pleasure. we understand everything in sports in medicine, and in politics everyone understands this. there is

another area that everyone uses, but no one understands what is at stake. this is the very area in which i am in love and which has now become my second life , my second destiny for the rest of my life. this is aviation. all our destiny is there and we all strive to do something better, something more beautiful and something higher. let's try. meet me in the cockpit today will be such an introductory flight, i will show you the landing of the plane, in some amazingly strange weather conditions at different airports at night during the day in the fog, and from there we will start talking about what happens to us in that most delightful moment when we rise into the air ahead of me.

sheremetyevo tower 65 135 permission to launch tayanka fifty-two, 135, sheremetyevo tower good afternoon, permission to launch on saucers 5, dear citizens, passengers. greetings on board flight 1234 a training flight, we are pleasantly surprised that you agreed to participate with us. on this training flight. have a nice trip, forever ready to help you enjoy the flight on our plane sheremetyevo tower 32-135 performer 0.6 central cooking. it means that you need to take off these two handles of the engine control handle, firstly, put the flaps in the first position in order to make it more convenient or easier to take off there, then we carefully add engine speed.

here i am doing it. the car started off it should be noted that now we are flying in ideal conditions in a professional language. it's called a lump of visibility, a million on a million. the weather is beautiful. there is no wind, no turbulence . we quite calmly enjoy the fact that we are with you in the air, like birds releasing hairpins, 5 °. it's time to work. daughters are releasing, 30 5

landing and here we are with you on the spot. now we will try to show landing. let's say if it's raining, thunderstorm and wind we'll set the conditions. but not to was. the pilot pilot is obliged to follow this cross and this square must

be exactly in the cross, then everything will be fine, so that this does not happen easily. but nonetheless. well, a little more complicated, but nevertheless, and this is possible, now let's try to land the plane. when visibility is poor, let's say fog , i practically won't see anything. difficult. it is necessary to study, my only guideline is

the device that is in front of me. i need to keep this little black square right here in the center of the cross, and if i do this, everything will be ok chassis. flaps spoilers flaps 2 135 landing 0.60°, 5 m/s and we will show, now one of the most difficult landings. one of

the most difficult lanes is located in the mountains for landing at the bhutan airport i'm talking about now. you need to get a special license for people who have received such a license in the world, only about 20 people all. let's try and now we're flying over there, here's the slope and the saddle of the slope. we let the wool flaps. here comes the river bed, we go straight a couple of words of the river. we have shown you a few introductory

designers. fighter tankers testers great cause people living in the sky we continue our conversation about aviation. today we will touch on the topic of surprising little, to whom we know we will talk about psychology. our guest is yulia valentina slabinskaya. and valentina hello hello how do i introduce you? with whom am i talking today , a medical psychologist, the central medical-summer expert commission? uh, candidate of psychological sciences, associate professor, you are related to aviation, for example, to people who are trying to get into aviation people,

who entered some aviation educational institution or people who, let's say, leave military aviation , go into civilian aviation, you concern this category of people. yes that's right. all three of the categories you have listed are those aviation personnel who are being assessed for their health, including mental health . e. well, here, if very briefly succinctly, the first part is the minimum part consists of two blocks. it's a personality assessment mental state of personality, type of response, prevailing and so on. and of course, mental stability and the second block are already the highest mental functions - cognitive functions, that is, roughly speaking, according to the vc professionally important qualities will be a specialist doctor. well, nevertheless, do you have

a non-kayphobia with me. some feeling. what do you decide, because fate is unconditional, well, as an honored pilot, and he has nothing but the sky, nothing else at all. and now you need to pass a sentence and say or just write in person, hardly, but still write unfit for flight work. as it is in itself a psychologist is not an expert that is. let's clarify this point right away, i do not write in my conclusion. good-not. fit to perform ice for work. i write about whether and has or does not have contraindications. in my opinion, from the side of the psychology of psychological characteristics, in order to fulfill their professional duties, the psychologist works together with a neurologist and a psychiatrist, and the neurologist makes expert final decisions. it's always this all over the country. there are certain criteria. it's very long talk. there is a whole guide, written down. well for years when a number of features. you can testify that by your professional duties

a person, even with a high level of seniority and experience. you can cope with what it may be due to atherosclerosis of cerebral vessels age-related changes in blood flow brain nutrition and quality of work it is clear that up to 40-45 the compensatory capabilities of the human brain are very high, as a rule, even some areas of the brain work. let's just say not very much. e, effective qualitative compensation. all the same, they happen over the years - this quality may decrease. excuse me, you work with pilots, after all, civil aviation is unambiguous. this is civil aviation. these are controller pilots, earlier flight attendants also passed testimonies with us. uh had either relationships with people who, say , entered uh, some educational institutions about the aviation profile. first, the student. always passes professional psychological selection. it is always impossible without this; it does not happen that someone enters a flight school and does not pass psychologist. that doesn't happen. this is the first.

the next stage, when he meets with a psychologist, is of course. flight practice before the start of real flights, that is, when the simulator theoretical training ends, flight practice begins, and then, naturally, when he was employed in the company, he came to the airline, and he sat as a co-pilot, so on the right cup and at that second behind him . 100 200 300 passengers this is the feeling, what does it mean in terms of psychological stress, what is it all about, does it mean for a person how obvious it is or is it different for everyone? first, everyone is very individual. secondly, you understand that i will immediately say such a moment, so that something is clear, i understand, but i work in the examination, not as a consultant. it is up to the psychologist-consultant of a person to share his experiences, sensations, and so on to us. they come with one deepest installation to say that everything is fine with him. he is well adapted and wonderfully socialized. and what a nervous mental

instability, even answering questions. here leading in the main questionnaire, for example, let's say work is given to me at the cost of considerable effort. the majority answers in the negative, that is, there is no tension. kaif pleasure. super. here is my most favorite, such a component of life, and so on and so forth. but when you start talking. naturally, they understand what is at stake. that is, as tension as mobilization. of course, takeoff and landing, well , it would be strange not to understand this. it would already be for example, about the immaturity of the psyche. if a person did not give himself a report on this. we have there was a case when a pilates girl was the second pilot. exactly after retraining for a new type of aviation equipment, she refused at the level of psychological selection and the psychiatrist is not mine. that's exactly what you were talking about, that is, realizing that this is not a light aircraft. and that's all she's risking her own life with. well, the cost of the aircraft. yes, very cynical. that's

realizing that it's hmm a huge board and a large number of passengers for the life of which she is responsible even to be a co-pilot. she she said that's what she came up with. she feels not mine left. how many times have we met with this, and the units are just units; i met more cases when a person tries to deny. this is the fear. there was a case of the second course of flight education. i won't name specifics. he seriously knows himself. that's when he had a literally panic attack on board, that's with all the classic vegetative manifestations, blanching , dizziness, nausea, fear. loss of consciousness , rapid breathing, hard to sit on , the instructors were already piloting. naturally. he landed the plane and literally in the arms of this boy pulled out of the cockpit leaned against a tree and after all this, despite the fact that the instructor was completely a witness to this whole situation. i have this young man denied saying that the instructor thought it all, wait. i will ask you a question that,

of course, has nothing to do with you personally. well, we are passengers with you. yes, we both love to fly. we are food passengers on board. it's also distracting, though, of course, it means, uh, this food should be, well, the quality is understandable, but it must be probable. so varied and in some ways different from earthly nutrition, so that my interest in this was, thereby distracting from my phobia from my fears of flying, but somehow i switch, otherwise look what's interesting. oh look on board, what an interesting thing. well, including, but generally considered physiologically, the body begins to do this work, that is, processing. this is already a distraction, at least reducing the concentration on your fear. i'm gaining what i'm talking about mass it would seem trifles.

which will distract from what we are talking about, even the packaging of food, the very form of this food, newspapers, magazines in front, standing cameras, uh, which broadcasts, let's say evolution or, let's say, in general, some flight parameters all together and will lead to or it should lead to the fact that, god forbid, it will not cause this panic on board, it will bring down the tension initially and lead to the very setting that everyone should set initially. i'm not flying . i came to enjoy. after all, this something that is deprived on earth and i just need to look out the window. i see things that i will never see in alignment. so, on the one hand. yes, on the other hand. here's from my experience. here someone loves to fly, right now he loves to fly, and someone flies, well, by necessity without panic, without panic attacks, without any kind of diet. behavior on board or inadequate, but does not receive pleasure

. here is an example of my three children, if this time the eldest son on his first flight at the age of 9 the day before gave such a panic reaction to his mothers, we will definitely go. we'll break i'm afraid to fly. let's not go, i say, let's say, okay? take it away, you understand? let's make a deal there. we board the plane. we sit down in a chair. if you really feel like you can't. you and i are returning to the airport building. that's it, dad will fly to egypt as we planned to leave. well, i think, here and now he rises a set, of course, the whole ball, shrunk 9 years old he was we go into the salon. somehow it is located. that's all there is tension. well i waited until there's not much time already remains to say. well, what are we going to go out? or else they say the engines will already start. we need to make a decision. here. well, i see, somehow he is the same. well, i don't think it will. here the proposal to leave was not followed by the return flight was already a pleasure. he was already wandering around the salon. everything is there. that's what you could see everything, walked, tried the middle daughter under 18 years old. i put it, she’s such a coward that we flew until the age of 18 only

because it was very necessary right here , tears came into the plane right in her eyes. out of fear, then she commented on what she says, i'll just calm down, suddenly he announced, what speed what height is the first pilot me again , this return to reality, well, there was no panic attack. just here is a normal reasonable voltage. first experience situation. indeed, as if non-standard, in general, uh, a feeling of anxiety and fear is a normal protective reaction of a person. this must be understood as normal fear in a normal way, as if the volume of the formed feeling of anxiety is a normal reaction. this is a protective reaction of the body. here i am not protected. i'm at a height, it's normal to be afraid of another step and you'll break it. something natural. so, any quality of it can be, as it were, how psychologists do it, but decompose, well, at least on a three-point scale, the deficient amount of this quality is the norm and is already hypertrophied expressed. well, as always, good in the golden mean. that is, any quality must be formed and developed so that a person can use it, as if in the process

of his adaptation of socialization, etc. underdeveloped. here is my justified risk. this is where i live for the adrenaline. i'm here for vivid impressions. eh, fearless. this person is not for me. this is about not quite awareness about immaturity, it is possible about some kind of infantilism, mentally, and so on. here is a fearless man. eh, in general, this is the concept itself, but i don’t really like a brave person, that is, understanding the possible risks of taking responsibility, understanding what could be, what could be the outcome of certain consequences, this is one thing. well , it is clear that the hypertrophied level of anxiety is up to free, floating anxiety. that is, again, irrational about nothing justified. it's just scary for the possibility that something bad might happen, that is, it's scary from nothing. specifically, it's scary, of course, such people. this is the biggest risk i would take at all, i guess you will agree with me, that is, it is obvious. i banned it at the legislative level. we need to stop writing about the terrible.

the number of publications about where what happened in the air, where did someone crash with whom else, the rest is unimaginable, nothing like this has ever happened. if today start writing. how many car accidents and disasters occur on the roads of the country, then people will simply stop driving, because it will simply be scary. here i recently held for students of the faculty of extreme psychology. there was a master class and we gave statistics. just think about 2000 years 10 years, and such figures lead to eight thousand dead 300,300 episodes. air accidents. here is a plane crash such a household concept, no matter how strange the level is. here are the accidents. naturally, the growth of eight thousand dead, means death.

and if we take the twenty-first year, just 21 years with statistics under an accident of 133,000 accidents and 15,000 deaths , can you imagine, there are 10 years and 8,000, and here 1 year, but the author moves it somehow more , well, you understand, it connected to the surface of the earth. why does the spanish attacks display? feel your legs first, feel your back. feel your hands grounding. this is the normal state of a person. he walks the earth. he is not a bird, he does not fly, he walks, therefore , someone needs this separation. here it is the desire to tear off something traditional , some kind of superiority technique there, aerodynamics dermatism, in the end, but someone doesn’t need it at all. here and here they are, well, either they dumped all these fabic experiences, or they simply do it with maximum tension within the framework, as it were, of the norm yes, without the manifestation of any such extreme e manifestations. here, but it is not obtained from this pleasure. naturally. i say again, this injection leads to agree

one of the factors, in general, this phobia arises either a personally negative experience, or in the media familiarization with some here because the disaster describe it, of course, here. well, for the ultimate somehow everything is tragic. well, in general, go deep, therefore , yes, redundant information. she is here, of course. let's say it contributes to the development , thank you very much, the conversation is wonderful, i'm just warning you and our viewers that we, of course, will continue this conversation. we will delve into the psychology of the work of pilots. that is, those who sit in the cockpit. uh, psychology. flight attendants and psychology. especially the passengers. uh, because as you correctly noted, the panic on board is worse. no, you don't have to do anything. do everything possible to avoid it for you huge. thank you. uh, let's meet, and i hope our conversation didn't bother you in some way. it was interesting for me to talk to you at a party

. eh yuliya slovinskaya was a psychologist. all the best. see you.