tv Bolshaya igra 1TV April 27, 2023 11:00pm-12:01am MSK
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there is a big game on the air and today we are talking with denis vladimirovich pushin head of the donetsk people's republic and today denis vladimirovich and citizens. uh, the donetsk republic is an important day. today , mr. pushilin announced his plans to be elected as the head of the donetsk people's republic in the upcoming elections in september. let's see what neosporimovich said about this. be nominate yourself for the post of head. republic of the dpr yes , i made such a decision and well, this is my and my responsibility, and not even from, uh, the eighteenth year of 14. i stood for the origins
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of the creation of the republic so for everything processes that are taking place and i feel my inner responsibility. well, this is a very important and courageous decision, because you really held key positions uh in the donetsk people's republic since 2014, when the republic was created, you changed uh. mr. zakharchenko, who tragically died in 2018. well, in general, you became the combat leader of the republic, but i will say this, starting from your very appointment , from your election to especially, of course, from the moment when the special military operation. i'm sure you understand perfectly. what responsibility do you take? why did you decide that you are a after that's almost 10
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years of this kind of responsibility of this kind of workload, why did you decide? what do you want to go next? dmitry everything is simple, in fact , the first and main thing is the feeling of internal personal responsibility for everything that happens in the donetsk people's republic. and i will tell you that not all the tasks that we set in 1914 have yet been solved. i personally face the main task and very long-awaited, of course it's resolved. we are now part of the russian federation, we are a subject of the russian federation, but to raise and bring the well-being of our citizens to the proper level, but to implement the plans, uh, that we drew for ourselves, and so on. they seemed fantastic, so that our republic, and
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being already in a large family, could really be fully realized, so that donbass could reveal its potential, which it was . it is given and of course, uh, i just don’t see myself in any other way, how could i do it, so here i am, of course, i count on support. if it is provided, of course, we will work for 9 years, 10. well, i think that i still have the strength. i still have opportunities , so i must work for the benefit of the republic , already as part of a large country, to say that you have great authority in moscow, and not only with the federal authorities, but that you are a very popular person in moscow. you are well known. eh, and you are not only treated with respect. i would say with great sympathy.
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you managed to put yourself very well in this plan, and what about your popularity in the donetsk republic? dmitry everything is here too. it’s just that we are now going through a not the simplest simple period when hostilities are going on, and here everything is connected with the fact that everything ends with our victory as quickly as possible and that, of course, all the difficulties that have been passed are left behind and here it’s all very clear intersects, but here i can tell you with confidence that i still count on the support of my fellow countrymen. this is what i heard from everyone. uh, i don't know that many people in donetsk that i, uh, could call i called several journalists who work there, and they say that you are in donetsk
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, uh, a very, very popular person, and uh, it's difficult one and two how many years already, and people live. it is very difficult for them, frankly, not to the end, but under normal conditions, how do you manage to maintain, well, a relatively normal life in the donetsk republic and especially in donetsk itself, which is regularly under fire. dmitry make possible impossible but again here in the first place, you have to count on a feat somewhere this is a military feat, which is now being performed by our guys, our units. ah, somewhere on the line of contact one has to count on a labor feat. and this is our utilities. these are our doctors. these are ours and teachers are all our a and a
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civil servants who work in difficult conditions. and sometimes, when you give an order , you set tasks. and you know how hard it is to find. well, somewhere, uh, just non-trivial, and somewhere non-standard solutions, in order to really, but close the questions that are before him, therefore here we are in the same conditions. and this is shelling, this situation with water, but again, this is a common thing that unites us. this is a's desire for everything to end in a victorious world , the desire that a can send children to school to institutes without any fear. and so that our enterprise, well, all the difficulties were associated only with
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the ability to sell products, and not with the fact that at any moment some kind of enterprise or part of the enterprise. it can be shelled, that's why we live like this. e man, unfortunately, gets used to everything, but at the same time we are definitely optimists. if not for this optimism of the fourteenth year, which we had and still has. well. it could be somewhere, but on an emotional level, well , no matter how we cope, well, we have no right not to cope, so we move forward. ah, well , we don't know everything, of course we know, we know quite a lot about how the uh of the donetsk republic is helping the russian water forces. naturally, the donetsk armed forces, which also play a very important role here, but i know less. i think many of your audiences are less aware of how russia helps
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donetsk on a daily basis. you know, as far as the armed forces are concerned, it’s as if they no longer exist, but separately the russian army or the army, the dpr is all the armed forces of the russian federation, therefore , absolutely clear and well-coordinated work, again joint shoulder to shoulder. and i’ll tell you. in the trench there, the guys don’t really understand where he comes from and from donetsk or he is from khabarovsk or he traveled to ufa or from other regions, so here, too, in my opinion, everything is obvious. and so what, with regards to the rest of the support. this is really a daily communication, each in its own direction. this is probably the only possible situation now, when their well-coordinated, well-coordinated work, well, allows us to overcome these difficulties. we are
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now, well, in a daily format and a. with federal authorities, of course, regular visits. ah, high-ranking leaders, that is, just now, literally recently left, only a deputy chairman of the government. we are rasshiritelevich usnulin. uh, where are we within during this trip, we could constructively discuss the program of socio-economic development of the donetsk people's republic, where we could visit enterprises. eh, or rather, institutions that are being restored, including medical ones, are also a perinatal center. this is also a prosthetics center. uh, it's also an opportunity to discuss the details. that's just this program, and it includes a lot of directions, ending with economic development and continues with the development of the culture of sports and
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other things. this, of course, visits quite regularly and the first teacher kiriyenko, head of the presidential administration in the e-e, who is immersed in all the details and, of course, from a political point of view , he also tries to delve into everywhere to help. and for which many thanks to him and a number of other relevant e-ministers, who are now , however. uh, also according to the decision, they are also directly responsible for the implementation of the socio-economic development program, so support assistance in all areas, both military and social and economic, so we can handle it. and what do you miss the most in the donetsk republic? peace of the world and so that and here are the shells that can at any moment fly in ours, and our territories in
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our cities and districts. yes, so this doesn't happen. and here, of course , the question arises, and the regular shelling of donetsk is, in general, a great difficulty in order to push the ukrainian units far enough away from the city, and this is due not only to difficulties. e warfare, but also with the fact that ukraine is getting more and more long-range weapons. and therefore, even if they are pushed back they have an opportunity that she didn't have before to carry punches, what can you do, what do you hope to do in this regard? we don't hope dimitri we do uh do our divisions. and they are helped not only by the inhabitants of the donetsk people's republic. they are helped by all of russia, that is, here too. well, there are
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some successes. they are literally there. every day. they are not being implemented as quickly as we would like, but nevertheless. and we can walk with you. i think it will also be interesting there, that is, here again, as we have traditionally in the eldar direction. uh, where we see uh, very uh, quite a tough confrontation in the ugler area, but now there are certain improvements in the position now uh, the enemy is trying to periodically counterattack, but to no avail and we see now the battles have moved, but to the north of uh dachas. uh, and hmm i'll tell you there, well guys, move move. here, despite all the difficulties associated with weather conditions, including, if we take a small one, then all the positions of the enemy. now under our fire
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control. uh, everything, we see and try to destroy it at the first opportunity , uh, representatives of the armed forces of ukraine, if we are talking about the donetsk avdiivka direction, which is now wet specifically for donetsk for innuendos for makeevka, then it is afraid now, but it is unfolding in the pervomaisky area and there is also an improvement in the position. we fix also we see that now the progress of a-a in the direction. eh, nevelskoy and thin. where the enemy is from. uh, trying to strike and fire quite regularly, just like that kuibyshev a petrov ie, kirovsky district, donetska a-a, we also, uh, we see that there are also in the krasnohorovka area. e, improving the position and expanding the bridgehead, a in the
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direction of the railway. and if we collect a-a, gorlovskoye, direction to majorsk, the direction of dzerzhinsk is there. uh, also there is an improvement in the position is not worth significant. but nevertheless, we see, and that this is still a forward movement of artyom. uh, well, the hottest spot right now, which is on everyone's lips, is the assault squads. ah. that's wagner that is, they control the order. well, probably already 90%, maybe even more. well, here it is difficult, probably, the exact figure will be knocked out. but this is exactly the area that is still under the control of the enemy here, uh, the area of skyscrapers somewhere. yes, i already said today a kilometer and a half, but there and now they are unfolding, the main hostilities, but there are also important ones. uh, here's an opportunity to move forward. e, khromova and a.
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ivanovsky where, with the support of aviation, that is, well, now we see an improvement in the position, and this, in turn, entails yourself. uh, improved fire control. at least, for sure, that is, for the opportunity to move the enemy, and the enemy still transfers reserves. he will need to be frank here with heavy losses already even along the way, but the formation of the war or the ukrainian regime does not correctly say here with the losses of the armed forces. and here, hundreds of daily losses are calculated. and just from the side of the militants, well , uh, the krasno-limanskaya direction is a tampositional confrontation without any special ones. of change, but the constant repulsion of attempts to counterattack the enemy, but, as for artyomovsk, it was possible to block the main routes leading from the outside to those ukrainian
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units that are still in the city. well, dmitry, look here, you need to understand how everything happens. this is the last route, which is the section that is already under the control of the wagners, but you need to take into account that there are also, uh, roads in the fields, let's say, uh, which allow even after that with losses, but the enemy can move, uh, transfer reserves , that's why there is fire control, but it's not 100% on time. therefore, there are still some gaps, but the guys are doing everything possible to completely eliminate the possibility of the enemy moving there. there's a lot of speculation in the united states about, uh, how ukrainian forces can counter-offensive and in particular strike at the flanks of the russian group in
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artyomovsky. do you see signs that something like this is brewing or even started? ah, i can say that it is impossible to rule out such attempts. uh, but there besides what uh the flanks are also held by other units, and the armed forces of the russian federation are there themselves, and the wagon also keeps the situation. uh, on control without transferring the forces that were there in order to be sure, but the remaining units here could also. here the assault troops are just moving forward without any fears in artyomovsk itself. therefore , i believe that the situation is difficult, but controllable. uh, recently, commander of nato forces in europe and general havoley. e, said that e nato put kiev already 98%
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promised weapons. i don't know exactly what he meant. apparently not 98% of everything, because some things like the abrams tanks, they should only arrive later, but i think that he meant 98% of what was promised, according to the delivery schedule in the form of you appearance at the front of this weapon. and if you saw, did it turn out to be some kind of influence on the course of hostilities ? and dmitry hmm, i can’t say that our unit is here, with which i communicate regularly, that they could fix some significant increase in quantity. especially some new technology, while this is not visible, that is, about our assumption. that is, if this equipment was transferred and transferred
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already on the territory of ukraine, then the concentration takes place at a certain distance. well, well, with the goal, that is, it is possible, then of that counter-offensive of the notorious one that everyone is talking about, therefore we are in full but peace and responsibility, of course, we approach this issue, and we understand that i am aware that with taking into account the possibility of our forces then there is some kind of turning point in ukraine of the ukrainian regime, there is little there. then turn the tide. well, there is little chance of turning the tide. here but nevertheless, this does not mean that, uh, you can not give a damn. if we treat this and do not prepare, we are preparing , but so far in the visibility zone. uh, worth something significant is not yet present. i will be careful when asking you questions about what is being done on the russian side. i will be careful, for
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obvious reasons, plans for military operations, only ukrainians announce. and it's more uh up, if you want bravado and information warfare. but there is a message, including in the russian media, that russian new weapons are also appearing. and the t-90 armada tanks, uh, have you seen them on your sector of the front? and if there is a feeling that there is a modern new russian weapon for the new nato weapon that for this new weapon? dmitry here i will not reveal any military secrets. uh, if i say that yes, i saw ah and the new tanks and t-90, including this is what i personally saw, and i see that the number, but incoming, but new weapons. it increases the pace increases, which also
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gives certainty. you know one question that interests me, although i probably know the answer. how is it that i do not read any reports in the american press from american journalists, they were on your sector of the front, from your side, someone asked to come to you. dmitry, but i will tell you that there were no such requests. ah, i'll tell you. well, for them, it's detrimental to their careers because, uh. yes, we faced what what foreign journalists legally came for all these years, but as soon as they tried to describe, not even ours any there. well, not our side, not our positions. and hmm, let's say, to show an objective picture to some extent, then they, but were subjected to
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obstruction. here, from the side of their leadership , and so on, that is, in my memory, not a single such journalist has been fired. here it is. uh, the results of those double standards and the absence of some kind of freedom of speech and other things that we were told a lot about, but which, in fact, this freedom simply does not exist. exists. well, one result. this is, of course, the extreme distorted picture of what is happening at the front that you will find in the american media and uh, this is not only what they say, but it is first of all that they show the impression that uh there are uh, many cases , but some russian actions some of which are even described as war crimes, and ukrainians are mentioned that
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sometimes ukrainians do something similar, but only it is always said not specifically always they say that ukrainians do it much less often and never give. here are some pictures that could impress the audience. tell us how ukrainian troops are behaving on your territory in terms of humanitarian principles. and the norms in folk law dmitry, we can talk about this as much as we like to cite facts, video evidence and so on, but this will be heard only in our country. this can be heard only in the countries of allies or conditional allies, let's say, but to the rest of the world. it's just not interesting, that is, no evidence no facts none, but signs and evidence of war crimes by the ukrainian regime.
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and this is not only after the start of a special military operation. and these are the crimes that were committed before february 2022. we also came across testimonies from international organizations, but from human rights activists who tried to show something and even got something into the reports. well, i mean about secret prisons. remember, it's a very short period of time. something has just begun sound, but uh, then it was still, by the way, during the period when the minsk agreements and so on were going on, but it seems that everything was passed on deaf ears, uh, they did, how is this some kind of erroneous information, no censures no emphasized positions on the ukrainian regime. then nothing was done. i mean,
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basically no one. nobody needs it. it's not interesting. and just like that, well, we are not that resigned to this. we are used to it. that we, for our part, are obliged to collect points of view, uh, humanitarian norms, russian behavior troops and take personal action if you hear of any violations. i will tell dmitry that every case, every similar one, that is, information that appears, wherever it is, that is, it is checked, both by the military command and from our side, because well, we are here on the spot. and of course, uh, don't react on your part. they wouldn’t have the right, but our servicemen, as you know, but somewhere it sounds and in their complaint sometimes shows excessive kindness, which is perceived as
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gentleness and so on, so here, just the opposite is quite a story, but for every such case, we react absolutely . here, uh, when you read the american press, you get the impression. uh, russia is waging a war very cruelly, and it ’s not enough for me to say at all. e russian aggression in ukraine, they must definitely say not provoked, unprovoked , unjustified and cruel aggression. but when i talk to normal russian people, including those in moscow, many ask a question. from what in general here with these e neo-nazis stand on ceremony. why does russia not use some more brutal methods of war , and because? as you know, i lived in
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the united states for a long time. they ask me, why don't they do what the americans did in vietnam? why not use the so -called carpet bombing? which do not require, by the way, high-precision weapons, but brings very loosening results. why is this not being done? in fact? uh, you can figure them out for yourself and for yourself . every russian person can find the answer, because as soon as we start even with the greatest desire. that is, do it the way the enemy does, we will become the same as them or worse, but for what then is the fight at all, that is, this is the internal motivation that allows us to feel. and the fact that we are right, that is, that the truth is on our side and often allows us to get into different conflicts, and to support victories even when the forces at some stages are simply not equal. this also applies to the great patriotic
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war. well, listen hmm there are those the atrocities committed by the enemy, could encourage just wiped off the face of the earth. e germany and it doesn’t matter. civil or not civil, that is, relatives are not relatives. i just erase, but this did not happen, and also the most hmm, sometimes on an emotional level. and hmm, i would like to wave my saber there, but it always stops exactly what you need to remain a man in any circumstances, because the war will end, we will win, and what will happen then, uh , and we should think about it and how we will look in front of us with their children and then before descendants, therefore, uh, these , we are guided by this, and our units, our servicemen are precisely at some stages, when emotional messages are coming, people often ask a question. yes , why not destroy it completely, kiev not
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raze to the ground, why destroy it there? some cities and settlements, yes , because we stand up, we are the same then as dust for something fighting. thank you very much here. naturally, your voters will determine the vahropolitic future. i think i i know what they will take, uh, a positive decision on this, of course, is their prerogative, and it is my prerogative to tell you only on my own behalf that i am proud of the way you stand. eh, like the rock you withstand this incredible onslaught, and at the same time you manage to maintain a very worthy human quality of every success to you and take care of yourself. thank you very much dmitry. thank you for inviting. thank you i hope to see you again soon on our air and
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the most prominent russian experts on china. and there are certain problems with the fact that you yourself are brilliant. it is very difficult for you to invite and all the time somewhere are, and therefore a special thank you for taking the time. thanks for the invitation. well, you understand. hey, what's the first question? you just wrote about it in the russian newspaper. this, of course, is a conversation about between the heads of china a and the kiev regime. and let's see what president putin's press secretary dmitry peskov has just said about this. we are ready to welcome. everything that can bring the end of the conflict in ukraine closer and russia's own achievement of all its goals. we are ready to welcome it. as for the fact communication. this is a sovereign matter. each of these countries is absolutely a matter of their bilateral dialogue. and well, and, of course, e your assessments e
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further. and zelensky, let's hear what he said first. the complex evolution of the ukrainian crisis has had a serious impact on the international situation in the matter of its resolution, china's position has always been to promote peace and negotiations. now that the rational thinking voices of all parties are amplified, we must seize the opportunity to create favorable conditions for a political settlement. crisis. it is hoped that all parties will work together to find a path to long-term peace and stability in europe through dialogue. china will insist on establishing peace and negotiating action, and will make its own efforts to stop the war as soon as possible. the chinese side will send a special representative of the prc government for eurasian affairs to ukraine and other countries to conduct in-depth communication with all countries on the political settlement of the crisis. i have i had a long and informative phone call and conversation with president xi jinping, i believe that this call, as well as the appointment of the ukrainian ambassador to china, will give a powerful impetus to the development
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of our bilateral relations. interesting statements, they generally show what did not happen. well, first of all, china didn’t agree, which is predictable, and china well, in general, didn’t give up its position and, uh, didn’t reject those, uh promises that were given to russia, but then i didn’t really understand what it all means. tell well, it would be absolutely correct to characterize. you know the default figure. the most important thing is what they were talking about now. uh, the leaders talked for an hour. and most importantly, nothing essential was voiced, and this is very important, because if there was at least some kind of agreement. well , for example, that china is investing some amount of investment in ukraine. ukraine is withdrawing from hostilities. e military action freeze about it. i would speak. the only thing that was not announced, and this is
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very important from the chinese side, is that ukraine is ready. go to negotiations without preconditions, and i draw note that when there was a meeting between putin and denpin in moscow , they told the obblide that we were ready, that the russian side was ready to negotiate. as a matter of fact, russia has never refused wall negotiations, but the problem is that why the conversation was needed at all. and i think in order to find out how zelensky independently decided, because through intimacy they know the russian position. let me remind you that the pin sits with putin and talked for 4.5 hours. but, uh, how independent zelensky is in making decisions about deploying, on the contrary, a cessation of hostilities, in general, as far as he can negotiate on his own. and apparently doletarity. no, you don’t need to look at this problem from the other side, because china’s relations with ukraine were not simple either, i remind you that china was and well it wasn’t, but it will formally remain the largest investor in ukraine, this was during the kovich era and in all subsequent e
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iterations. the point is that he was under zelensky, but at the same time, it was under zelensky that there was a problem with the motor-sich company, when the chinese company it’s just that sky ryzen was simply kicked out of ukraine by a large investor, there were problems with chinese investments, in general, they decided not to remind ukraine and china about this. and because, uh, that might be the biggest question yet. why did china get involved in this peacekeeping mission at all, because the situation is very complicated and, moreover, before china there is germany and brazil yes, in my opinion, everyone tried, uh, to do this, but china, uh, i think that it does not for some abstract world. here. well, because it's beautiful and not even darling the same. although of course he can earn a lot in terms of political boundary. and with you, from the point of view that the whole current situation that is unfolding in europe is also destroying the entire chinese plans
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for interaction with europe , this loose belt that china was laying the new silk road. he was on target primarily in europe and the end point of chinese goods was in europe. these are the ports of hamburg rotterdam itself - these are the italian ports that china courted to buy and here it turns out that now europe is asking china what to do in the direction of the economy. and you tell me, who are you for ukraine or some kind of russia? they are used to the fact that this is how the question is posed. the only way to restore interaction with europe now for china is to stop any or to stimulate the cessation of any of their actions, freeze them , put people at the table and thereby restore their, uh, positions in europe , so it seems to me that there is a very multi-way combination here. not to mention the taiwan problem, yes, and many others. a have you heard the version that, allegedly, when macron
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was recently in beijing, he encouraged them? uh, after all, contact zelensky to do exactly what you said to check the degree of his independence and also help, uh, france and other relatively moderate europeans maintain normal ties with china yes, i heard more than that, oddly enough, he said this, not only macrons, pushing for this, but before silva, the brazilian leader , the president, said the same thing, because now it is important for everyone to understand zelensky is capable of to personally make decisions or not, but with european countries it is quite difficult in the sense that no one wanted any protracted situation like this. uh, because financial plans are collapsing and france in france , trade with china is almost 100 billion euros. there is a lot of trade, given that all of europe’s trade with china is with china with about $800 billion. that is
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, france takes 1/8. this is what france should now formalize to refuse to interact with china for the sake of some abstract ideas for france. this is not a french problem. e. same story with germany, which is literally. eh, here in the shield from the past a few past hours. uh, has banned the sale in china of uh chemical components that can be used to produce uh, microchips. and there are micro system boards, that is, countries want to trade with china because, roughly speaking , europe does not have other major trading partners, but at the same time, the united states puts pressure on europe and does not allow it to trade. china is acting very competently. it doesn't work, since it works with each side separately for france if proposal germany's leader for portugal for greece there are proposals and china is learning to work anew with each one. the situation is very good, not easy. let me remind you, remember there was such a coalition called 17 + 1 17
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eastern european countries and china and that's it. there it used to work well with all the countries from the czech republic to poland and beyond with the baltic countries of the baltic but now uh as a result of this whole situation. uh, most countries have simply fallen away from this coalition. it doesn't exist as such. although there is no self-dissolution was. and for china, this was very important, that is, not only the congress and not so much the congress worked. how many associations with certain organizations that china itself created, that is, for more than a year, china has collapsed a lot of trade ties there. that's why china in my opinion. um, well, let's say that's the benefit that china wants to achieve for itself, but on the other hand, it makes a benefit, in my opinion, for all of us. personally fu, the chinese minister of defense under us sanctions, who recently visited moscow and tried in moscow for a few days. as far as i understand, this is, well, if i put it that way, not the one, but
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the combat general who plans and carries out military operations, that this person who is engaged in cooperation with the organization of supplies, if that is so. does his visit to moscow mean that the expansion of military-technical military-economic cooperation is planned? yes, of course, it means more than that it is not hidden. and even that is not something behind er behind the scenes. uh, negotiating lishan-fu is a person who is not just not heavily under us sanctions. and as they say, many who know him personally, he is a very good organizer. they are a military organizer organizer. let's just say the supply of the negotiation process and its task of reconfiguring military ties with china because it became clear that war, like any military battle, is decided not so much on the
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battlefield. how much due to the correct alignment with opponents, allies and so on? and now it turns out that, in principle, if we look at the big picture from all e countries, which are partners of china only russia is the only country. this is what is called magic power , which in one way or another fully supports china from beginning to end, if not, uh, russia, for some reason, it was removed from the board mine. and with whom china remains at all, he remains just face to face, uh with the american military. uh, financial machines and china don't really want to do that, so now china needs to consider, judging by the look of the bodice, it is in-depth military-technical cooperation. teaching. we have been held annually since 2005. e, moreover, both in the bilateral format and in the multilateral format participated from the country e, central asia once participated in training in mongolia, that is, everything is fine with us here, but the teaching is rather such an indicative
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kind of coherence. and here, for example, is the electronic intelligence system. uh, pre-alert missile systems for nuclear strikes on this thing, which lie to a very high degree. this is a very sensitive moment. now if china chinese went for it, by the way, speaking, did not want to go for it for a long time. he spoke with teaching - this is the main thing, i went for it. this means that china understands that it is very difficult for us to survive alone in this situation. this is a favorable situation for sure. well, for china , this is not a helping hand, about which russia extends this is what is called mutual mutual benefit, i now want to ask you about how in e. beijing sees american sentiment american plans for china when i look at washington dc i was last in washington at the end of october. this
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who, in general , nothing serious new has happened in relations with china. here, uh, i'm talking to political scientists and journalists members of congress. i had a clear impression. that, uh, they are not ready, uh, leadership with strategic logic, and america has a conflict with russia let's wait lie on china we don't want china to undermine russia too much, we don't want some coalition union between a moscow and all these words understand things, but could not, if you want to humble pride. at least for the idea that china maybe equal to america or even china maybe stronger than america , this idea was absolutely unbearable, and therefore it was obvious to me that if it was possible to inflict a serious
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defeat on russia and china would, as they say , stand on the sidelines, then no one would almost thank china i didn’t say, maybe some political scientists experts said, but from politically significant people, no one would say thank you to china. it would be nice to say, we taught putin a lesson. it shows how powerful we are, when we have no brakes. here now it's time for syntempinia. you understand this in beijing yes, and they understand it very well, moreover, the mood in beijing is changing rapidly, both at the upper level and at the level of mass consciousness, because for a long time america remained a side for china. from where it was necessary to constantly drag some technological achievements to make joint laboratories biolaboratories hmm e laboratories for the production of new technologies and in this sense they looked at the united states, as
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a source of new knowledge, not even at investors. this has already passed and china assumed for itself that for a long time the united states there will still be such comforts of relations you can swear endlessly in politics, but at the same time be very standard economically, that is, profitable. oh, and most importantly, well, we understand perfectly well that in washington and in america in general, the palette of opinion is very broad in relation to. uh, there really are hawks who believe that china is a threat not even to america, but to civilization. as such it's up to people who talk about actually what's the problem? let's trade. uh, here, uh, in china, not in china , they simply are not used to understanding that there are different opinions in society. and sometimes it takes over. one or the other. here is the grouping. for example, if somewhere bloomberg or the washington post publishes an article in china , it is discussed as the official opinion of the american leadership and, uh, after uh, a whole series of publications. i see how opinion in china has become noticeably anti-american, it
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has never been anti-american. that is, china is not at all sensual to some strange ones, i even relate to russia, but uh, how does it begin for the first time to voice that our adversary, in many respects, is the united states, and he has never specifically addressed. this indicates that an important political decision has been made about who is the counterparty and the counterparty on all issues it is interesting that , uh, china did not want to take on the mission of this antithesis of the united states in the economy anywhere, so china was trying to stabilize itself from the whale. there are a number of issues at home that are beyond the control of the us but china has been suddenly put in that position when forced to respond. after all, we must understand that we are looking at wearing the earth not only we, for example, are watching the chinese society. i talk a lot when such a hype is unfolding against china , when anti-chinese articles are published, when there is a war with taiwan. well, we must
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somehow answer, or are you not the leader of the sindent? here it is necessary to understand that the chinese society, it is no longer submissive. it 's critical in china's 420 million middle class, that is, people who are generally well educated and they want to protect their dignity in a way of life. and here we are we see that it is possible. now i can’t judge how correctly washington calculated everything, but this is the link between china and russia that it has always been, but here it has sharply strengthened. the most important thing arose that was not before that time. the idea of common values was there was common trade, there was the development of some kind of friendly relations, but suddenly the idea that they are trying to crush us together. this is what has become for china, e, absolutely the thesis for development. and, of course, the mood in china in general. e, in in the upper circles they are anti-american, but
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as uh, digressing from the upper circles from the younger generation in america as you know there were very high hopes that uh a huge number of chinese students in american universities. e trainees of some research centers, that all this will lead to the fact that a significant part of the china elite will not only somehow join the western way of life, not only join western values. well, how would they love america and become. well, not that they will become traitors, but they will become more or less pro-american. this did not happen, or indeed 600,000 students did, at least some of them studied at american universities, but also. uh, this is america's fascination with the american way of life, uh, american style films, socializing and so on.
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