in order to be closer to tolstoy's reasoning than e, it may seem like this, in what sense, in what aspect? i think that when dostoevsky speaks, he is not disingenuous in the sense that, in fact, the true christ is here. and this is some kind of flawed and abstract truth. he's quite serious he's considering. that's what the apostle paul is talking about. yes, if hmm, if christ has not risen, he will have it several times, yes, and in demons. yes, let's go. yes, he said you will be with me in paradise, but they went and did not find them. yes they god is not heaven. that is, if christ has not risen, then we are the most unfortunate of all people, and says the apostle paul a. dostoevsky speaks in this situation. even if christ is not resurrected, he is so beautiful. i love him so much that i'd rather stay with him than any kind of truth, which is, well, the truth is, yes, then the truth. that

christ has not risen, that is, we do not make an assumption, what if he has not risen, that's what it follows from, that he is an admission? well , because it is about the truth. yes, either or here is the truth of what is proclaimed. yes, what proclaims christianity, or the truth of the laws of nature, which is very close. yes, i think that this is such a reduction that allows us to show this infinite love for christ. that is , even if yes, the apostle says, if we are the most unfortunate of all, and he says, even. if not, then i'm still with him and i 'm happy to think about it, or it seems to me, it's your interpretation that's quite clearly we had more time. it could be taken apart fuck, but uh, i'm sure that here it 's this act of love, that is, he says, i stay with you in any situation. so to say, was it true or not? but

tolstoy he doesn't love christ, because tolstoy dostoevsky draws closer to him. here, well, i mean, so to speak, the plane in which dostoevsky deliberately descends, so to speak, cutting off this one, his e, this endless exit yes, that's into the realm of the spirit. here he loves christ, he he he he loves rousseau too. that's about the same love. here, in what they love, because he is christ, he competes with christ. tolstoy yes, well, actually, but he, well, that is, the higher, yes , so to speak, a point in humanity, the more he competes with it. that's it in the end. i think that this feeling of the gospel from what and other things does it actually consist of? well, he came. i'm a tolstoy teacher of life, yes, why do you even shake someone else, amazing in this sense on sunday, where is the real uh, liturgy is real fake

huh? the boxes of the finale, when people are about them, the reduced pieces of the gospel appear, and now he is really on his way on sunday, otherwise it was not entirely satisfactory for tolstoy. although this is late, of course. tolstoy, this can also be done here, but at the same time, tolstoy after all, i even remember i have already spoken about this more than once, but tolstoy poses such questions, and without answers, to which our church and, as it were, we, as a community of christians, cannot exist. that is, you can brush it aside, so to speak, and then we will not, well, that is, we will cease to be christians. that's about the questions of life people on earth equality polls question their relationship to money. eh, and in general the acquisition. yes, these are all questions that , well, they are quite easily solved at

a different level, but for dostoevsky they were practically non-existent. but at the level at which tolstoy should put them, they are necessary for resolving it, it would be too easy to resolve all these questions and get around them. so to speak, going immediately into the realm of the spirit, where it really is all the same and ignored, then they are not equal. and then this is the feeling, yes, which man uh creates when he thinks that due to the fact that the other will feel bad, he can be good. we are not going to decide anything here. yes, we won't go any further. unfortunately, it seems to me that these questions are correct so to say, uh, really. right. he constantly puts, e, he not only raises questions, but unfortunately tolstoy often answers, and his answers , unfortunately, because he answers badly, because his answers, uh, they give very strongly

to the spirits of his time and, for example, when i read, when i'm sick, uh, war and peace. eh, i'm somehow i am recovering. but when i read his journalism, he's such a drunk, because when we get to the pilot, someone else came. well, i wrote. well, anyway, well, when you read, for example, uh, hmm it's about art or mistakes that are no good or that we should of course learn from christian children to write, they don't have us uh, well, that's all -the same. it's uh, i still love lev nikolaevich, the recommendations are very spirit-like. eh, jean-jacques. look at the competition here. uh. here is also an interesting thing. uh, their relationship to each other. yes, an amazing uh thing, which in our time is badly behaving, probably, it seems to me that

contemporaries of that level can imagine, so to speak , they have never met fame and knowledge about each other in their lives. and as far as i understand. once they were together in a room where vladimir sergeevich solovyov was giving a lecture. and moreover, there was fear, yes, who knew both, but it seems like tolstoy said i don’t want to get acquainted with anyone, i won’t, and fyodor mikhailovich didn’t recognize lev nikolaevich , which is also somehow now? yes, and then, uh, hmm, i tried to say how i was only if e- if i knew that he was there, yes, and then also very much. that's how they treated each other, because dostoevsky is dying tolstoy says. i now realized that closer to this person i was not. after all, they perceived each other's literature very critical and dostoevsky, who read, who, like alexandra andreevna and the fat countess, gave

him a letter to dostoevsky, and he reads nothing, but the food of the letter. yes, he reads and speaks, it’s not that, but it’s true, it’s not literature. they are like literature, but she herself seemed to be very worried. they say that i was ashamed to give, and such children's here. from the point of view of christian children's writing, in such a thinker, how it gets, that is, uh, they just absolutely always were at different levels, really they really are. uh. i think it was very difficult for them to speak. i think that the soviet in general was not very easy to say left, those who will get up right tomorrow. i don't know, i didn't say. there are, of course, even more. i would say existential it's not a meeting, of course. pushkin seraphim of sarov, which is for another program, yes, but here, but here, after all. i would have thought that, uh, lev nikolaevich was quite

self-sufficient. i don't know about dostoevsky , but lev nikolaevich uh, hmm, some kind of jealousy, after all. i think, in any case , these were two teachers who taught different teachers and they were already aware of themselves as by the time they were in the same room. they were fully aware of themselves already in this capacity in this role, of course, it is a pity that they are not met. although god knows to be a little earlier. maybe good. yes, maybe, i think that it is, most likely, like this , the lord has arranged. that's because, uh, really. as if they had nothing to say forgive the speech. pentalgin extragel in it is a special component for better penetration into the focus of pain and inflammation get osago savings on

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he is, i remember correctly, he says, counting it. uh, almost a note from the house of the dead is called here, i found something to re-read, happy with the release of the brothers, in general, after this grandiose one in general. well. at some point, he also read, he read that he re-read, he took the book. yes, it said to reread that note from the house of the dead. here, well, that is, uh, it’s still some kind of fo- as something something is not the tone at that moment , either did or or intention to do it intentionally wrote, at least a visit optina's theme to other impressions is exactly the opposite as it is known to say well , yes, and uh, but this is still quite a central point. e for and yet thick somehow all the time to strive there, anyway. yes, even after everything after weaning.

yeah, well, he also aspires, sort of, yeah. so i wasn't invited. see, what is this? yes, uh, how could they not give me? yes, i can’t, how to enter myself, how to show, you understand, in order to meet you had to come up. it is from the point of view of the student, not the student. well this first step is further there, then it was already possible to start and teach at the end. yes, but this is the first step to take. and it was absolutely impossible for a long time with us, i know what else i want. and what else i want to talk about, here, returning, uh, to your first case to the end. well, in the beginning, which sounded like the dostoevsky region of the spirit. and tolstoy is the realm of the soul. yes, that's exactly it. it is clear in such a trichotomous, so to speak, structure of personality, spirit soul of the body, yes, christian, and i can’t forget how one respected very and subtly, feeling the art of a woman to me she said why

she can’t reread dostoevsky she said he looks at something in me, what i’m afraid to look at in myself, and it’s hard and unpleasant for me, and in general, that’s why i do without fyodor mikhailovich well, there, at best, stepanchikov village. here is its inhabitant. well, isn’t it the insolence of the spirit that you won’t go into the spirit, this is an illusion that you can argue it, so to speak, and not passing through the body and soul sequentially. yes, that is, you will not rise. you will have too much. that's what you don't want to look into something, at what of you that is why it does not go anywhere and does not go away. yes? here is the same. yes, here is the confession, what is it really designed for? she’s not a formal thing, yes, it’s like she went up to the priest there and called something and they let you in for communion. here, that is, such a formality to say on the way to communion, here. in principle, confession -

this is work with what you want to change in yourself, but it hurts. it always hurts. and now imagine how they say cruel talent. he hurts me. he makes me look into what in myself i don't want to watch. in the meantime, i have not illuminated everything at all for the columns of my soul. i do not go to the spirit. don't they look at tolstoy? these are exactly what i wanted to say about this, that both tolstoy and any uh, i think a great writer changes something in us, otherwise there is no great writer at all. maybe it's really in dostoevsky this i would say, e happens more brutally and more intensely, so to speak, eh, but the problem is whether i'm ready for it or not, uh, that's the problem. in this case, after all, not uh, so much in themselves. texts, and how much e is in me

and uh, here it is not only necessary to confuse, uh, again rationalistic uh, some such journalistic statements. uh, and uh real. uh, well, fiction, after all, both tolstoy and dostoevsky long before freud, uh, substantiated and hmm described the role without conscious. that's exactly what the ancient monks specifically wrote about the unconscious, this long time ago dostoevsky did for one and a half thousand years. yes, after all, we are now talking about ready or not. we it's a big question man doesn't change through consciousness a and dostoevsky again. yes very often say a lot you can know, without consciously, in fact only when you know something, unconsciously here only then it is truly and the authorities. that's why he has such a retreat strategy of udostoevsky, in contrast.

tolstoy who will say everything many times and repeat just in case, if suddenly something, but still tolstoy writes after the word to chekhov and writes that for some reason the story is such a darling, because it is so beautiful that it was written unconsciously. eh, tolstoy is precisely tolstoy, but he himself acts, otherwise why do people love tolstoy for whom dostoevsky is too cruel, so to speak? yes, because tolstoy raises these questions, yes, yes, here, illuminating the soul on another plane. he is, as it were , from this plane, yes, that is, his hero is experiencing doubts. and you understand that, mmm, you, as it were, can walk this path with them and this is, as it were, a normal human life. and when you suddenly look at it from the point of another being higher, firstly, you can see more. secondly, it is seen from a different perspective. that is, tolstoy shows this here, how

your human, and dostoevsky shows it as yours, preventing you from being a man. and it's a completely different perspective. i formulate these perspectives a little differently than tatyana uh, but for me, of course, it is tolstoy's uh that uh. well, i would say, if we say that they are something else , it is still within the framework of christian culture, this is still on the one hand. christmas tolstoy uh, from here. uh, from here the kingdom of god on earth its permanent these that we can in the kingdom of god on earth as well the other is still, uh, easter, and both are absolutely necessary for russian culture. e, although i put it above the sleeping bag, as you know, but, nevertheless , both are necessary in order for russian culture to fully open up, but you know what i want. what kind of people would finish, and you would be asked to answer these questions. what works of one and the other would you

definitely recommend in two cases? the first case, a is a foreigner. here a foreigner wants to read one work. well, let's take a hypothetical situation the work of tolstoy is one work of dostoevsky, and the second is already close to our life. this is an attempt to resolve the dispute early or read in such and such a class. yes, that is, a foreigner and a student must read one work of each. well, as they say, we have lady firt. yes, it means that to a foreigner i would advise anna karenina, and , uh, brother of the novel. yes, and as for our schoolchildren, i'm afraid you won't meet the minute. yes , because everything is much more complicated. here, but in fact, i think that and if this is not done, and by the reading that we have, for which evaluates and checks a single text. that is, how many

mugs did someone have and in what dress? yes, how old is the old woman, percentage? that's it, then. uh, this is a good read for high school students. it's very good the same. e. well, er, in principle, a crime is a punishment already, that is, which is really a classic contribution to the school curriculum. eh, it just needs to be read very well, very well. well, in part, i agree, but not quite for a foreigner brothers karamazov, at least part if it doesn’t master everything e, a and e, war and peace, too, at least part is not anna karenina, even though she is a foreigner, let them read at least e, the description of napoleon and kutuzov may be better understood by russia, but for a schoolchild it’s the same. well, here i am, although i came up with the ending, and you took it and destroyed it. just thought, we

will put, and i'll tell you. honestly, i'm a foreigner. i'm just taking the course. uh, the introduction to russian culture is identity and i understand that nothing will be mastered. i have a short course of 8 years there, so i ask read the boy at christ well, how can it not only be to get closer to dostoevsky, that's all. well, here's the story. thank you very much. today we gathered our thoughts about tolstoy and dostoevsky tatyana kosatkina ivanovich and saulovya. vladimir left yes see you again. the podcast of the creative industry on channel one with you is still your favorite presenter roman karmanov elena kiper and visiting us

today my legs have gone numb all day, to be honest, from fear of contact with the super legend of the russian people's artist federation artistic director of the moscow theater oleg tabakov vladimir mashkov hello it's very nice in april, in my opinion, on the 23-24 will be 5 years old, which director of the theater? uh, will there be separate celebrations on this occasion, prompted me to this idea, let's think the theater lives here and now, therefore, such decisions can be made there very spontaneously. the fact is that i was lucky with me. over the course of these children's years, a team was formed. which helps. exist at the right level mindfully focused conscious happiness is more than

unconditional happiness. this is happiness, knowledge , education of oneself, education by one's own personal example. in general, we have a lot of activity, we have done a lot, our team has done a lot, because we have not just a theater. oleg pavlovich tabakov who created our little theater in the basement. he created it as a studio in the theater palace of pioneers, selecting 40 guys there, then 10 remained, and so on entered gitis. and so life began, then a basement appeared, then it appeared. through 30 years ago, at the end of oleg pavlovich’s life, a new building and we are in development and again. the fact is that oleg pavlovich opened, and 10 years ago

, a theater school that, uh, existed as a college, his dream was for the guys to study in it early . this is the dream of educators. you know, it seems artistic to me, and the period of a professional's life must begin around the age of 15 , because this is the most emotional time that we actually achieved. now we don’t have a ring, because after college our guys have to do it again. at the institute, ready. artists came out, they must be on stage. before leaving the theater school, you understand, the artist grows on the stage with his partners, this is a collective activity, therefore, this

moment of exit and work with professional actors gives birth to it and you know, and we have achieved it, but to spend a person 8 years on training , firstly, this is for the state. it seems to me that yes, and for the artist, so we proposed a new experimental program prepared. uh. it's called so it's integrated secondary general and higher education program. we are recruiting guys, all the teachers themselves, acting actors of the theater, just get on the plane themselves and the city flew as a group. from kaliningrad to vladivostok, 3,000 young guys. we have

a lot of information about the guys who are interested in this activity. naturally. we have 24 places. a little, and moreover, thanks to moscow, these educational institutions are free on the full support of moscow come to us after the ninth grade and after 5 years of study receive a diploma of higher education. this is the earliest acting education that has already existed in this format for a year. eh, experiment. we must confirm in a year. the fact is that every year 600 artists are released in the country , a lot of them even come to our theater .

that a lot of paid courses have appeared . it is impossible to train an artist for a fee, as a rule, artists are people. low-income 'cause what else did you say. a very pointed word is passion, without which it is impossible to comprehend this profession. artist see actors tell me, please, i myself became interested in this once, and what is the difference between an actor and an artist? now we have to do yes has no idea. well, there are probably many different versions. it seems to me that fonvizin gave an exceptionally accurate one, he said,

an actor is a talented performer, and an artist is an artist-creator, exactly that's who our higher education graduates then in different ways. it however, and always in general, in this activity it is very difficult to say what we are doing there, and we are churning out talents. it's impossible talent is a timid thing. it is like a fire if you feed it your passion with a passionate relationship to your work. it won't flare up. here, for my activity of watching the guys listening carefully, i didn’t do it that you lose consciousness from a person’s talent, on the contrary, you try to break it all and see his sincerity. just to talk about how considerate he is how well his orienting

reflex is working, how mobile he is, how he hears. here and from this from all the impression is created and further this moment is very important. eh, a teacher in this sense is a teacher, as soon as the student opens the door, he enters himself and he must enter swiftly, swiftly, comprehending, especially our schools. she is evolutionary. we require we have a method. uh, we've got a lot of work going on. uh, for which i am grateful to moscow state university and , uh, the institute of psychology. uh, yuriy petrovichanchenko, who oversees our project joint, how come the two are moving in this direction? how to find the most important? the point of the artist's sensual attention, if the experiment is deemed successful, of which i personally have no doubt what will happen next, and

then we will continue our activities , four people will turn into 240. look, we are recruiting 24 people from the practice showed on the course that we have the fourth and will be the fifth. there are 11 guys left and on the second, which will become the third 12. what happened? they made a great return to school many of them, in my opinion, the vast majority entered the theater school institutes. you see, we have, in this sense , they are very busy with us working all the time. you need to accumulate a lot of skills, a lot of knowledge, and we have a lot of subjects that other theatrical educational institutions don’t have, so they don’t stand up, or something,

some of them don’t stand up, if we don’t see desires and development, you understand at 15 years old they come. why is it very common? sometimes people don't even understand at 20. why did they go into artists this desire, interest, passion. no, no, understanding it, because it is, first of all, what they think it brings, yes, glory to fame, so since it’s such a burning flame, of course, moths and beetles fly there, well, they all go differently. and who can stand it, uh, sometimes it happens. you know how people suddenly act, who did not want to act. what if a talent opens up in them, because the artistic warehouse of character, in principle, is inherent in every person. when did you decide that you are an artist? how did it happen? well, i'm so unusual.

uh, for a person who got into the theater, fate. i i just grew up in the family of an artist directors. my mother was the director of the puppet theatre, a terrific director, and my father was the actors of the brilliant puppet theater. we lived first in tula, but in frunze, then in novokuznetsk, and this theater was on my head. i didn't like it very much. because, firstly, they argued in the evening and this conversation about how pinocchio or karabas-barabas went the wrong way or it was more than that, it was all at such a level of passion, of course, at first. it didn’t scare me even as a child, so i was adaptably doing his own thing . i really liked it. biology was engaged in bugs there and then, when i became older, i realized that i was not studying very well on the other hand. i was a vagit brigade and we had a huge success. i played guitar and

songs. in general, i realized that i needed to act in the theater, i went to act. uh, got ready with the guitar clap me. i received a prize from the audience with some kind of spinpathy. that is. in general, what biology is all biology. here, i went to krasnoyarsk to the institute. i'm desperate drove and passed. the closest to novokuznetsk was a theater school, novosibirsk i got into a shortage of boys, and there i quickly got my bearings already, as soon as you get there, if you are passionately attentive, you have a great desire, and you quickly find your bearings. let's go back to the present in the nineteenth year. you, in general, said that the electricity was over. i’m leaving the cinema , in general, and i didn’t have any in general , how many, well, it turns out 4 years and the film the challenge and

you are back in the frame, well, yes, it worked out. here, i don't want to know, when a big artist announces their departure, and then returns, there is, yes, yes. well, yes, in this sense, can it fall into this category? maybe, of course , but hardly, because, uh, when i started to deal directly with schools and the theater. and i just realized that here it is necessary to increase the knowledge of my capabilities and strength and energy intensity by a factor not up to the cinema already. well, yes, not at all up to the cinema, but you see, it happened. well, uh, they offered me and just had the opportunity to advance much and had the opportunity to plan, when you saw script for the first time here or call. we love call stories. yes, the producer called the producer. konstantin lvovich suggested this story. i met with

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a job for you. ah, in such a film , did you know whether it was a challenge, when even the decision had already come, because for a long time people did not believe it and everyone was really very happy. what happened successfully? the responsibility was enormous. attention, all over the world, cats of operations, and the program according to which shipenko and yulia peresild were preparing for the climate. this new tourist training program was prepared for at least a year six months earlier. and here are the new knowledge. allow to prepare quickly enough gives the opportunity to people in general. uh, having some unique professions that are required there for certain experiences of discovery and it's good that they have

the opportunity. because cosmos is open, we understand that the plans that roskosmos has are huge, and uh. i am sure that the one who will be the first on mars is already living among us, the next film has already been promised to be shot. as a matter of fact, on mars or on the moon, but it turns out that this film is not only a way to show how much we are to say, ahead of the rest in space, but this, and in what sense, is also the promotion of roskosmos, since. well, yes, you can prepare in six months. e people, in order for them to fly not just even as tourists, and working is even more difficult than just contemplating through the window. yes, so the data and know what the concept of knowledge. these are temporary contracts of our knowledge are increasing, and in itself and a person, and his capabilities. and technology. so yeah, you know? here, i think,

right now. hmm, it will end quite recently there. i understand the 500 project when there are several. the man was in the same room, simulating this flight to mars for 500 days. yes? so i think, but if the artists are launched, here they can be in the same room for a long time of 500 days. they will do something why will they do something on tour, that is, and this shows and once again talks about the possibility of their e, space industries about the knowledge that already exists and the opportunity that allows non-professionals to get into orbit this discovery i understand this, but in general a film that a person should keep in suspense and, in general, by and large

account. what was the need to send a man really into space? and for the development of humanity, a challenge for cinema. and a challenge for people, because yes, i say again, we, uh, this research provides an opportunity to continue further research. we have the capacity and strength for this. hmm. and if we talk about, uh, of course, what was filmed in space. this is unique, because everything there was really hard work . seconds, because not to violate the overall scope of work and, of course, personal courage, but both the crew and our guys. this is responsible.