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this podcast is a must-read. i am glona-batnikova director and writer, my guest is vladislav atroshenko. writer screenwriter, an expert on the mysterious case of armature alexander dry kobylin, what was the main thing for you in this topic, what fascinated you, because you wrote the script and studied the book, this huge matter. tell me, what drove you to waste so many years. uh, energy for that. you. you know what i still do. uh, that's it, how it's my lifelong torment. it's his fate that haunts me, because here is this simple pushkin question. is genius and villainy compatible? yes, he, uh, there is no other such fate. e, for example, only characteristic, yes, and so much characteristic on the example, which can put this question. that's what is called a rib. yes, a man writes

a brilliant play, which simply turns the history of the russian theater in general. yes, and at the same time, he is a suspect in the murder, this is the question. eh, he haunts me the fate of the dry mare. she, uh, makes it possible to figure it out. why is this the case? left? unopened? why did this question become? yes? here, let's open the case. here, there were no problems. there would be no question of this, that is, they installed if, for example, he does not know e on the one hand, e did not have such scientific means, as it were, when the blood was found. uh, zakrevsky immediately sent, this is the medical office of the police, it would be possible to do the dna of the ts today, yes, yes, today it’s not even even anymore. if it were a little later, there in 15 years , for example, all this could already be established there, at least the questions that u asked, whether human blood is human blood for doctors or not, and to what time does it belong now who had did he say that chickens were slaughtered there? in

in general, the cook carried it in. some kind of there , well, in general, there was a lot right up to the fact that she was staying with him, so his aunt is zhukova’s adviser, and her uh, her daughter could have regula and they got it dirty. they are somehow there, god forgive me, well, that is, uh, like minister of justice count panin, when he read all this, he said it does not deserve any probability, but on the one hand, uh, it was impossible to reveal u by scientific means means to establish the truth, and on the other hand, these officials. they made such a great bristika out of this case they were very satisfied with, as she said, both sharp and final body. here they are mutually sharp rocking and on the one hand. it was possible to turn against barin and against the peasants. well, it’s not interesting against the peasants, what will they take, yes, but it’s richer if a person from russia and they took from him and they just took, they

simply poisoned him. that is, he has money and well, i want to say that all three plays are dedicated to precisely this, let's say, theft and arbitrariness of officials, and uh, he has uh in the play. uh, verbose, description of types bribes, that is, the person understood the survey rural bribe, which is given in kind. yes industrial bribe. this is what is called rollback today. this is when you receive some order and thank you. eh, in general, you roll back. yes, and a bribe is criminal or trap. that is, it is a trap, and she is taken naked. that is, it destroys a person simply and like him, like him, then a hero. eh, krichinsky, he says they want to take a bribe from you. give uh the consequences of your refusal will be cruel with you, dear money dykes, because otherwise you will be finished, well, dry do you understand mares? eh, that's interesting, then,

eh. uh, it was like that. uh, in fact , the case of a dry mare in st. petersburg was handled by the chief prosecutor of the ruling senate of kostornenko doctors lebedev . and then such a decisive moment came when lebedev was preparing a resolution on the case of this, uh, the murder of simon demanych the very resolution that the minister of justice was supposed to read in the senate. yes, and he studied the whole thing, but it’s dry, but there were, being at that time on e, travel recognizance. he was temporarily released from prison on the bail of his mother. eh, so he goes to petersburg , having already agreed in advance with the people there that he does not go empty-handed at the fire of nikiforovich. well, of course, he mortgages the estate, takes the tickets of the board of trustees, it was a small piece of paper on thin paper. so the whole estate would be transferred to this piece of paper for presentation. is it

actually uh owners or can you just get cash yes 10.000 rub. silver is 30,000 at 17. and rough state. generally. yes, this is the price of the emperor near moscow, approximately the moscow region. yes, such a medium-sized estate near moscow and a dry epics goes to the employees of fedorovich lebedev, and here it happens. here, as a matter of fact, is the scene which became central in the play. she was actually written from life as a dry mare, which means, uh, she comes to the kastoronnik, they turned him on and uh, he shows him how the minister's resolution will look like. he beats everything there, so all the cards, what is called everything everyone promises to solve the issue absolutely. yes, that is, the resolution is such that dryly were simply released from criminal prosecution. and e. well, it’s necessary , then to thank him, he gives him this ticket from the pekut council, he puts it in his vest pocket and his brother-in-law was dryly found.

you tell petrov, sasha, come on, he says, we’ll still look into the closet of written cases in a rag and see really what the resolution will be. the devil only knows these officials. yes , and indeed they look into the closet , there is some small bribe there, 10 rubles. e cook. why does he show the regime everything is exactly the opposite, that is, he is threatened penal servitude, just according to this resolution and take a bribe from a person. yes, promise him to solve the case and at the same time to the authorities, on the contrary. here is the trembling one. yes, right. why, in order to receive a cross or an award later , that i caught a terrible notice there, because count panin was the minister of justice, he was completely convinced of the convinced guilt of a dry mare on and when he instructed lebedev to prepare to cut. he got him to prepare a certain resolution, where he will act as an accuser? uh, of course, the reason. a and. well, he decided

here is the boss. he took a bribe, so he received a resolution and money. well , well done, when he saw all this, he bursts into his office and says, you are a scoundrel scoundrel, which means, uh, you took money from me as a bribe. i'm going to yell at the whole department now. yes, the department for the whole of russia, ukraine, i will give you a bribe, teach you from you. now they will find everything like that. well, a brutal disposition, yes, that is, this anger was so fierce, that is, probably, it scattered everything in general. on his maternal side, there were tatar khans in his family, and he had was like that. well, on the one hand. from the shore, on the other side, the tatar hannah was such a powerful datura, and he screams, this is the prosecutor and what he does, he takes this ticket out of his vest pocket and puts it in his mouth. chew and drink a glass of

water. but the estate of villages continued, but she disappeared. well, in the sense of such a banking instrument that exists in a single copy. that is, it’s like, but whose estate? eh? it was dry, they laid down one of their names near moscow, which means that take this ticket and bring it to him. and here and here it is, in fact, the scene of it. well, of course, a fantastic notarial scene. and of course, this is where it gets interesting. it's like the staff of the rest of the swan. i read his notes. he was quite like that. there was also a fire there. like, well, in reality, that means, uh, in death. as a matter of fact, he made plates out of it for later . yes, and uh, here's an interesting thing. eh, here's a kostornenkie reason, he was

counting the russian. and in his diaries there is an entry about gogol, uh, he says that i read these dead souls. well, here it is , all these clickers writers, they do not know our management. they do not know everything, how we are arranged. something there writes, such a dismissive fire. i wrote. well, uh, i write in my book that but another breeder appeared, as he called them breeders, who found out everything about how things are going with you. how do you take bribes? as you know, brilliant. it’s just that it’s all described and you know, i laughed yes, tears, here, i don’t know the play, the old one would turn out, yes, what a huge gap, but no, and the language is very lively and that's it. it's clear. everything is recognizable and insanely funny. when i read these plays, i understood why women were so in love with him, because he was able to make laugh on the one hand and was allowed to make laugh, on the other hand. now, if you knew now, there was one piece of evidence. there was one piece of evidence against

a dry mare, probably completely ridiculous and funny, but the fact that she was ridiculously funny became known many, many years later. so you mentioned how he charmed a woman. he not only charmed them. that's when dry coats were on came to him with a shoe arrest lawsuit. yes, all his letters were taken from him from the table. yes, and there was one letter addressed to louise or shut up montecars. actually, the letter was in french. e there was literally the following. he writes to her. she went to ostankino and was naughty for some reason, she didn’t want to come to moscow, and he writes to her. eh, that means. stop your farces and i call an ungrateful and oath criminal woman. at a distance of my costil dagger. come back and three beeps. he writes to me with many ers and so, expressed himself in love letters. as i understand it, before the race took place, and here and the researcher

troitsky e, he even read the materials, he writes, as far as i understand, the french language. i realized that this is a very important threatening note. so to pierce her casting, with a dagger, they take a note of daggers from him and, uh, minister of justice count panin in the senate quotes this note. so, he says, look, he wanted to pierce her with his castilian dagger, but the fact is that here their lovers had one. special, that means erotic symbols of expression, after all, 8 years of relationship, of course, they had their own special language and louise hmm herself called e, as alexander vasilyevich later told his neighbor reminsky. all this says, this is what she called the organs of male dignity called the caspian dagger. and when you know all this, when the attorney general

it's in the senate, of course, there was just some fantastic ambiguity. here but uh, here uh, alexander vasilyevich has on his table took a bunch of notes from different women from different families. there uh, from 16 men. you so hated the powerful. here, uh, there's more, uh, what moment? of course, this is his passion, because of which the frenchwoman. tell this story about a woman's business decided afana. is there a role of another woman in this murder , but this is crazy jealousy that happened to a french woman, if actually, according to the version of zakrevsky minister of the russian federation panin, it means that it was a murder prepared by the high society, and whom they meant, they meant the driest mare, and this is his new mouth. uh, hope, get out of the market. well, she was so she did not possess. in general, such beauty, but she was. eh, cynical. she was free and

what they called her. i called the green-eyed cat. she was such a red-haired green-eyed. well , well, bone is a witch cat, and the frenchwoman began to follow him. she was jealous and it was not by chance that naryshkina herself also hated the frenchwoman. she wrote to alexander vasilyevich. he must get rid of her. here and shortly before death. this means that contemporaries describe such a story, which means when alexander vasilyevich was at a ball in the naryshkins' house. here he is dancing snaryshkina. and she notices through the window that the frenchwoman is looking out the window, and then what does she do? she, uh, nothing, not suspecting alexander vasilyevich, pulls back the curtains, which means that such a bay window brings such a bay there. yes , like this. yes, you guessed the female mindset. why? she would turn her back so that he would not see the frenchwoman, and so, of course, they covered her face there. runs away from despair. yes, here well, what's the moment? eh, when, eh,

did you have time? arrest and interrogate it is very suspicious that she escaped. is not it. yes? she’s not just, so she ran away with lightning speed, when they just came with a search to alexander vasilyevich, uh, he even wrote in his diary that the catastrophe search uh left for one, that is, she just runs, she runs with a voluptuous mare with a child. she was three months pregnant, being a married woman, and he did not give her away. he did not betray her, of course, he did not moreover, he denied during interrogations that he said that i had never had any connection with naryshkina, in general, as if we understood that he was lying, the roof was lying, because after 6 months naryshkina, in paris, gives birth to his daughter and how raised dima younger correctly in himself dimash, and how would you think, the daughter was called her name was louise. moreover, with him, the french who died as a frenchwoman, he is also very suspiciously very strange, yes, and

she and naryshkina when she was already abroad. she actually ran away from her husband. here , by the way, she was helped with documents by a married woman a woman could not just leave without her husband's permission. it was necessary to write a statement to the governor-general so that the governor-general would give a blank passport. so, this passport blank was stolen by the governor-general's daughter. uh, lydia zakrevskaya, and in fact, it means that soon lydia zakrevskaya also moved away from her husband. ah, the chancellor's son. the mission of childbirth, she was married, she ran away for the chancellor's son, and they organized such a thing there, in paris. eh, this one. i have already read the memoirs in french. uh, they're home orgievka called this society debauchery. they arranged it there, they invited french writers, they organized orgies there and

that same alexandre dumas son, who painted the lady with the camellia, he fell in love with naryshkina and then the daughter in the family, while the wok is dry. we'll be sitting here in prison, writing plays. then it means that the matter ended only after 7 years of the emperor. yes, only the head of state could solve this problem. yes, they’re all right , the investigators confused the case, so these officials, that when the emperor is already there uh, got access, the mother dry were on the dryer sister were on began to explain, and he certainly looked at the matter. he realized that there he said bribes, that is, everything was tangled up with bribes already to unravel, it was impossible there. what do you think, huh? well, what is the real version? for example, i think that it was a situation from a series that, well, sort of escaped. it's probably a frenchwoman on a date in this outbuilding. i think it was something along the lines of. i

will go. and you girls figure it out yourself, and then it comes and there it is. well, here is such an excellent researcher. yes, indeed , he drove in the market, but to himself in a freak, and here , of course, such a scene could happen in a phleg or in general, as it was transmitted. da naryshkin's contemporaries somehow participated in this and, uh. it seems to me, thus confirming. and the fact that she named her daughter after her rival. it seems to me that guilt is something. well, there is even more naryshkin there even before the discovery. opa, she sent a note to kabat kudro. uh, like a catholic church. uh, a note i intercepted the secret investigation of the governor-general that he wrote to e. please tell me what is needed for the burial of a particularly catholic confession, where you can order a coffin, i found out the details. how to bury in the french rite? yes, everything is clear.

so tell me the compatibility of villainy in this way, if this picture of the crime was as you suggested as an example, yes, then , uh, of course, uh, two feelings of guilt before, uh, louise and guilt before naryshkina could dryly tear apart and before. child yes he is knew, of course he knew she was three months pregnant. he knew all this very well when it all happened. so tell me, while studying this person, you learned something , that is, somehow the spirit of sukhov's mare moved in you, but relatively speaking, but uh, what has changed in you while working on this material. you know how i am, first of all. when i studied, in general, his whole nature, his character and the contradictions tearing him apart. here i am, of course, i was attracted by yegor's strength. despite the fact that he survived all this upheaval 86 years. yes, this is for those times. it's just scary. that's lev

nikolayevich tolstoy more than tolstoy. that 's in this sense. eh, i tried. here, uh, to comprehend here is not the usual russian nature, you see, for me this is a mystery. he says the talented man was talented in everything. that's what it wasn't for. everything is there fucking rzhaki. and everything was successful with him, and here and at the same time some kind of strange dark one, as he himself said. uh, strange strange destiny great run me great blind man destiny, yes, great blind man, he called him a blind man. that's uh, i must say, yes, i really changed a lot internally while i was studying the dry mare, yes, a feature when you work with some material from a biography and you change. this is nature. uh, which cannot but have an impact, and uh, this is such an archepic fate of the russian writer. of course, when u prison, either uh,

the writer breaks, or, on the contrary, it makes him, strengthens his spirit from him a powerful figure. and this happened to a dry mare, then it was the same for dostoevsky when he got out of prison. that's it this is very archipy. here is such a collision in the development of the fate of the russian writer. here i thank you for the conversation. thanks this was a podcast, a must read. i am gline nabatnikova, director, writer, my guest was vladislav atroshenko, writer, screenwriter and connoisseur. e affairs of a dry mare. you see, what a thing andrey anatolyevich turns out to be, i had several options, but entering, uh, an interview or in

an interview, but everything crosses out our conversation with you in the dressing room. when you said 40 times watched the extra time and the penalty shoot-out, the final of the world championship well, i didn't count. i think it could be even more than 40. why well, denis, if i tell you that i watched andrei rublev 40 times, for example, tarkovsky, you will not be surprised, but there is a difference. why does this surprise you so much? because, well, because it's football, because you know the result. yes, you know the finale of the film andrey rublev. yes, but in each case at least the question also answers. i understand that every detail can be considered differently. yes in that's the thing here, uh, look and hmm no , i don't think he won't score now. yes, i know, even when he scores, but you know, that's it, this game is far away, not every football match. uh, it's not only

because it's the world championship final . let's say, uh, the world championship final . hmm and here is messi's last pass. and he beats, huh? three defenders argentines fourth suddenly he beats the ball. and it's interesting to watch messi uh, mbappe, of course, and uh, there uh, it's interesting to give me a mbappe that dribbles, and there are fantastic reactions from each of the three defenders who did their job. uh, professionally don't rush further, to once again yes, uh try to take the ball away. and there are these views, a and this horror. is he really now all the same ?

you seem to be watching, really just masterpieces of world cinema, and then, you know, not modern technologies, they but they allow you to watch not only uh, here is the picture that television offers is formed - formed yes, let's say, and now the e camera is still available. e general plan. eh, camera. uh hmm benches uh, argentines bench the french and leading players. uh, respectively, the icbm missions and this is something, i think that no one was watching at all, except for your humble servant. it's after the game is over that's the last penalty and argentina is the world champion and there this madness is a joy. and i accidentally , however, even pressed the camera button, bench, argentina and the camera is holding the coach.

when do you think the coach went on the field to congratulate his players? well, after how long? in such a situation, he can pass, as a few seconds, and 5 minutes. well, from your point of view. i think about three minutes something in between. i'm eight eight he's worth. but i can only fantasize what is happening in his head, he is standing, he is watching, he is not even running anywhere. he's going to pass. stops on the field. he has tears of onnyh e, wipes, because, apparently can't afford to go on the field to his players, in tears, and the french players walk past him. he shakes hands and thanks them. e for the game. he takes a step towards the field

, one of his players runs up to him, they embrace, and he again retreats to the bench. he remembers that his wife and children are sitting here. he looks around, he starts across the bench, and there, that means, such a visor to climb to his e, to his family, they show him quite respectfully that here the steps are nearby. you can go there, he goes there takes his children. only after that is punished on the field. this is a whole life. that 's 8 minutes a lifetime. i highly recommend you watch this. this is a football hockey podcast. my name is denis kazansky today we are visiting master of the club what where when producer director andrey only andrey anatolievich kozlov yes and once again, do you watch football, well, really, like a book, probably, you read, like uh, or is it a pastime to relieve stress and or what

is it? well, denis, i read the book. in general, this is a passing time, yes, yeah and sometimes for in order to relieve stress sometimes in order to kill time sometimes in order to have fun sometimes in order for her to get enough yes and they have some needs of their own it's the same, probably, with football in different ways. i am very, very. i do not presume to be categorized as football fans. that's straight fans fans. no, absolutely i almost do not follow our domestic championship. well, i almost don't. that is, i know who the champion is, if i don't confuse, last year the champion was zenith, you don't confuse for several years. here i am i’m talking about this, yes, it’s easy to remember, therefore, i watched when there were international matches. uh, here are russian clubs or our team. hmm and hmm sometimes i watch matches in which our team does not take part, but for some reason this suddenly, uh, interested me. we met in

2008. i am very good. i remember that, you were in vienna at the final of the european championship and that is , big tournaments, as far as i know, you don’t miss, well, in vienna. i came. it was my first football. that is, i will say, so i am in dota to vienna 2008 for the last time on football match was at the shakhtar stadium in the city of donetsk, this is hmm uh, the old stadium, shakhtar yes. everyone knows that the donbass arena is the old lokomotiv stadium. and this is in shcherbakov park, the main test stadium was mm. i was there i took out. i was on the teaching practice of the fifth year in 1982. the last time i was at football. after that i was on e in the final. e of the champions league that took place in moscow, yes, in 2008. e, here it is all together, as a coincidence. yes and so i went to the vein, but at the vein i went after our wonderful winning and advancing to the semi-finals. i went to the college semi-finals, came to

the semi-finals. uh, on the occasion i had a finale, then i, and, uh, watched the finale, that is, it's all very, very unrealistic for me with a lot of experience. let's say. eh, boris is much more frequent than me. in football, in the domestic championship , he has a club passion for him. yes, i don’t know if we know how to disclose the right to them, but i think that everyone already knows. well, those who are interested in dynamo moscow yes, and they support dynamo a lot in therefore, if the team uh play, what where when dynamo played today and today, i always really want to know how the wonderful story ended . oh, i can’t. so, this sunday, well, next sunday should play what where when, uh, football team, uh, before the world cup? this is what

european championship what year 16 of the sixteenth year? and on the eve i can not command slutsky but on his club. yes, he was the secret club cska wins against dynamo i call, draw and say. listen, well, slutsky's wonderful mood. they will never be in a good mood to play and only then i understand that slutsky won something on the dynamometer. just lost. yes, but no, but we must pay tribute, if we are serious, uh, boris , i think that there has never been such a thing that the environment somehow affected the signs. here 's how dynamo is today or yesterday. yes, dynamo , i must say, often plays. so the mood of the fans deteriorates. yes , it happens, but let's remember this game, when

the players of the national team came to you and you prepared somehow separately. ah, what do you remember when they arrived? it's no secret that on the eve of the game on saturday , the team that will play on sunday hmm in a house in a boring garden comes to practice. and the editor-in-chief of the program , valentin alekseeva, uh alekseevna andreeva , is conducting a training session with the team, of course, completely different issues between stress, but those who play? yes, otherwise they look like idiots, they were told questions, they again cannot remember next autumn. so, uh, hmm, three games to six points. uh, they play like that, but such a warm-up takes place, yes, and mmm. well, a very very useful thing, but the team of footballers

could not be on saturday, because they had a match just, uh, the one that won it for a large part. uh, test of the national team, yes, and i didn’t have sunday on sunday at this e-famous rehearsal, if you like, uh, with the national team. hey, i took the liberty of telling you. although maybe then i'll get in the neck. let's shoot, let 's take a chance. so i know only from stories they know, only from stories they came 6 football players to play, what where when and they tell me that, uh, they immediately threw such a mask on themselves, but we are here like, uh, idiots you won’t take anything from us, so we ’re not in what where when to play? and so to fool around, but let alone, if we answer a couple more questions, well, uh, well, and it's

a failure to never tolerate this to yourself. relationships, if you came to play, so that somewhere when you deigned to play, what where when the question is tom and how to get them out of this state, they have already completely put on this mask , e, tried it on in practice. yes, it is quite an understandable defensive reaction. you know, we have a trailer there, including a trailer where e with such e, football players, at this moment they also change clothes like stalin. and in this trailer, which means, uh, six uh of our football players. yes artyom slutsk berezutsky two copies. yes, some viktorovich well, yes, ha ha , he breaks out.