he took it so that i would not understand, because they write fakes, there is also artificial intelligence, as if nonsense. this is what we do. it is, as if it were done on the knee there, well, as it were, very very much. who would know. this is very funny. how it works? everything, really. it's very funny they are on the most advanced computer is very simple and kind of very very funny, but people fall for it. at that moment , of course, we could not even think that it really seems, in prison my son is accused of murdering some kind of boy did this a photograph that allegedly shows your son having sex with a girl he has not yet met. yes, at that moment he was not in the camp there and inflicted several blows on his neck, according to the investigation. this is what the chisel looks like. it looks very funny

. it was 100% the impact on him we are dealing with chikatilo let's go because he also has. what to tell us. good afternoon, it's not a secret, and in this studio they said more than once that there are problems in our country with justice. and with the investigation from the prosecutor's office and the courts. so, when they mess up the investigation, for some reason we should lead what we will do today. today in our studio

natalya prudnikova natalya hello, what happened to you? tell my son is accused. in the murder in the crime of which he did not commit, and suicide occurred in the novosibirsk region in a campsite on the ob, but there was a murder on the twenty -eighth in the eighteenth year in june and the version of the investigation was my son, allegedly because of the photographs. he met a girl there. yes, yes, yes, when he got a job there, he met. he's a security guard, he met this girl. they had a relationship, and supposedly. they were killed by a boy who allegedly took a photograph of them, but there are photographs, well, there is a photograph, which is true, i didn’t see it and they said that, in principle, no one is visible on it, but

i’m laughing at this photograph, yes, but this, of course, is some kind of genius. the boy took this photo, in which your son allegedly has sex with girl. so yes, and to apparently this boy nothing to do with this photo. he decided to kill him and killed him. yes, well, here, yes, you don’t believe this version either. no. now come on, when this photo was taken, you know they said that it was on the very day of the murder that was taken, and your son. and you have not been there since june 8, 1818, you were still at home. he hadn't got a job there yet, not even a job, that is, with this girl. he was familiar to me at that moment. yeah, no. no, we were looking for work together. wait. your son on june 208, 18, probably because of the photo that was taken on the same day, on which he was allegedly with a girl. with

whom he had not yet met. yes? at that moment he was not in the camp there. and i didn't even know about this camp, he works there in the camp. yes? it was this motive that served to kill this boy. so this is olga. why does the figure appear in the case? did she give some evidence that was the basis for the charges or what? well, in principle, i didn’t know all these details, when already in the court came to the hearing. i found out that this girl served. well, rather, she already testified, but initially. she said that she did not know him, and as if at that moment she did not know through time. she already gave other testimonies and said that it was him what, i would have done it, well, there was a murder, and she was at the bus stop and he told her about it . listen, and he broke up with this one. oh, how he broke up. well , she just went there, and that’s all, but they can’t, she was somehow offended by him. well, in general , it was a married girl, but how much

the time of the crime was your son’s son turned 18 in april, still the fact is that we left for kaliningrad in the twenty-first year and, in principle, they took him out of there, oh, on september 18, 21 , the transgression occurred in the eighteenth year, and he was detained in twenty first. yes, that is, it's been 3 years. yes, at the moment when the crime was committed, it never occurred to anyone to blame him. right. yes , of course it is, but what is it based on? here, i'm here as an investigator. i go, in the sense of proof. here is the evidence they brought, if you know about it, that, well , they don’t have any such evidence, and he disappeared from me. he left without papers. i found out the next day that he was taken there to novosibirsk for murder. and i , in principle, even i didn’t even think for what kind of murder, my child never

stood on any records anywhere, didn’t connect anywhere at all which one? yes, i didn’t even know the number at that time at all, what was it? that is , i correctly understand that until he showed up. and in general they thought that he was kidnapped, that he simply disappeared. yes, i even wanted to put him on the wanted list. i went to kaliningrad, we were told before the program about how this disappearance was. we moved here in the twenty-first year. vanya was already working and decided to pass on driving on september 18. we collected it with vika. well, we spent, you can say, there and he said, you don’t call me. uh, because there will be exams. i 'll call you myself, they waited, waited for the time to come from work in the evening, but he didn't come. well, at that moment we did not even think that there would be a real trouble. all institutions that only it was possible already at 3:00 am the police

of the hospital nowhere gave us an answer that he was really there. well, we have already prayed and thought, well, at least, even if only alive let him be in prison, but only alive. well , at that time, of course, we could not even think that he really seemed to be in prison. well, it’s important here, what else to understand is that after he was taken away and placed in a pre-trial detention center in novosibirsk, a lawyer by appointment called you, you had a strange conversation. tell me about him, please, she called and in such a joyful voice then i was surprised. i think this is generally a lawyer talking to me. she said your son confessed so briefly that he was allegedly on the path. they went to the toilet in the morning. eh, they argued there and began to fight and my son could not cope with the chisel and well, or he sees

the tools of the chisel struck his ears a few blows carried a chisel with him. well, in general, he didn’t wear 100 seats, but according to their version, he was with the rest. this is what the chisel looks like. this is very funny. couldn't they just take pictures from the internet of chisels any, because they didn't find it, a weapon of crime. no, i like art. well, this is how it looks. and your son. your son , the breed of occupation, could he carry chisels with him or not? he could carry what he is on a tree. he generally draws for me, if he applied, only pencils, probably, before we talk with your lawyer, he does not stand with a woman by appointment. we know how they work. i would like to get an idea about your son and us, uh, your mother, apparently, yes, his grandmother told us something. let's get a look. he is in

this room here is here the table did the lessons and here is his literate. imagine what a stack of letters. here are vanyushkina's drawings. so i sat down and drew on my own. here is lesya ladder, his favorite cat. she was wild, and he taught her to his hands and that's it. and so she gave birth to a cat on the twenty-eighth, when there was the last court session, as it were, and she gave birth on the 28th 28th. i made a special corner for myself, because i pray i protected it. well, mine, work out his ivan, please. you can do anything, god help you. i feel that you help. i'm feeling it. my grandmother always worked and sent me money, then 2,000, then it stopped, and i got scared for

a long time. they hid from me. i didn't know. here's a photo of him on my phone. i woke up like this in the morning, and like this i removed it and i say, my dear boy. i even know, i agree, so let go of you to die. i agree, even on this you understand. first of all, what is usually in this studio, when well , what is going on from our point of view, ah, lawlessness, well, within the framework of the court, and so on. we we all say, well, how do we have a jury trial here. here he is a juror, what came out of this will be told to us by the lawyer, vladimir buzerkin, who has been in charge of this case since the moment of detention, as i understand it , vladimir come to us. hello vladimir hello well, probably the very first question. why, after all, did ivan give a confession, what did he tell you during the interrogation?

i joined the case in september 2021, that is, when he was arrested, when he was arrested, of course, i asked him if you committed crimes. he answered me that the crime he did not commit is very important to ask. he was detained as a witness , the status changed, or immediately, as we suspect, he was originally brought in and the first interrogation took place. this is an interrogation of a witness, a witness, yes, an interrogation of a witness, at which he also said that he was not involved in any crime, well, later he gave testimony that exposes him. as ivan himself told me that he received all the information from the investigators, and then, when they first brought him to the investigation department , they told him who was killed, how and why that when he got a job according to the investigation, he met a girl. well , that's right, only it happened after the murder, yes, yes. let's so you

told us before the program about all the inconsistencies that exist in the case, we will look at the screen, then we will continue the conversation okay? the starting point of the entire accusatory version is the fact that the prudnikov was employed by the prudnikov only on july 6 , 2018, while the murder was committed on june 28. in addition, we have such a head of security, yakovleva, he says. that the guard was just after the murder. well, and most importantly, the fact that in this case everyone was interrogated, every inhabitant of this campsite was interrogated, but the guard was not interrogated. just the one who is responsible for security, he was not asked, the so-called radio station , along with the commission of a crime, it was established that instead of committing a crime, a number of base stations that belong to various e-

companies of mobile operators are serving the number of these subscribers. around 1.000. among all these subscribers. there is not a single phone of the mines talking about the motives for the crimes, here against the backdrop of personal hostile relationships, in order for these hostile relationships to arise , it is necessary for a conflict to arise. in our case, according to the prosecution, the conflict occurred due to the fact that prudnikov was filmed with a girl when he had sex with her on the beach . the correspondence itself and the photograph, it does not carry any information. this is just a black square according to the explanations for the witness , abramov himself, when he went out in the morning and received these mortal wounds. he went to the toilet at all. he had some problems with digestion. he went he was nauseous. well, imagine that a person goes to the toilet in the morning in slippers and shorts and begins to conflict and fight with someone to make claims against someone. i

can’t believe this version either, where according to your version. and who can prove it? your client was right at the time of the murder on the 28th. he was at the presentation of these states and she was also her friend gordeeva olesya interrogated in court and explained that the event. it took place from 12:00 to 2:00 in the afternoon. uh, in the city of novosibirsk, quite far from the crime scene 1:20 1:40. well, if well, that is, according to the investigation, he woke up in the morning, quite early. what time was the murder in the period from 9:00 to 10, which means that he woke up to go 40 hours, so you still need to get together in two and a half hours there is no murder. he was going to go and killed, then he quickly went back and at 12:00 he already came to wash himself. naturally from blood. yes came to this prom. so, well, that's what they're assuming, right? this is the flight of your soul.

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tears hail, i realized that i do not know where it came from, because i'm not whiny. i knew that the swamp was terribly cold, the snakes had to climb, i would climb. who do you think to send adviser. i remember very well, in fact , the heating was turned off we were swimming in icy water officers officers on the first you still did not answer my direct question. why did he write a confession? he

says that they had conversations with him and explained that, well, i must admit, maybe it was careless. maybe it's inadvertently, but he says that i made such a decision. well, they said and tried this version, which he presented to his interrogation. the interrogation was under video. she was born right on the spot, we'll see. olga agreed. we in the evening well, in my opinion, she’s in the house, because aunt sonya was there. that is, i went nothing smile, where we were . yes, because come on the next day. well, twenty-eight minutes, it turns out they were going. she ended like that. i need to go home and i'm only mine uh-huh so i went , it turns out food, well, i went in. she didn’t go to the toilet out of herself, so that when she came out of

the toilet, dmitry saw me and started talking, filmed, what exactly to explain?

well, i don’t remember what i just applied , i remember that when i took her apartment, so that they wouldn’t take it away. well, like here, well, the action of the struggle for what happened. uh-huh now strike. uh-huh, here's a woman. who is this? well, i think so, a lawyer has been appointed. just called, i see, i really apologize. but just by the way he tells everything in this video. i have a feeling that he is a participant in these actions. you know, there is one important word that this guy says. he says, well, it turns out. the word turns out he said several times. this already indicates that he is not sure, he does not know, but

it seems that yes, he was convinced that it was so. in general, i have the impression that there were some methods of suggestion here. he's not even called a chisel chisel. he says things, if a person is familiar with such a subject as a bet, he would really call it by his own name by his denomination. and these words are memorized, piercing, cutting, all these moments. yes, it’s clear that, well, at least even 3 years have passed, it’s all been learned, and learned repeatedly. they were inspired to do this. i was also struck by how she behaves, and madam is a lawyer. completely detached, absolutely disregarding, how a strict teacher looks at ivan and i have a feeling that she , too, seems to be involved in this story. tell me please, and then he refused his testimony to you, then later he detailed it. why did he give such

testimony? no inheritance, he wait well. and these materials were before the judge, when she made a decision, the materials are in the case, that is, and there was a second you said, why did she say that they talked for a long time, convinced, including the use of physical force, i understand that you did an examination of the video recording. yes, just yes, we spent, we turned to a specialist, and he gave an opinion. let's see what he said, interrogations. i came to the conclusion that there may even be physical pressure on prudnikova psychological a, and because his speech is of a memorized character, slightly modulated monotonously, and, uh, is most likely reproduced from someone else's words. this is one second moment. uh what its verbal

e's verbal narration does not correspond to his non-verbal reactions, i.e. hand movements e, gesticulations of eye movement, mimic reactions, which means that m-m he reproduces an event that or an action that was not performed and one more moment that for which i also noticed. he is constantly watching. uh, it keeps turning. i do not know who is there to follow or operatives. that is, it is as if he is a confirmation, am i right, that is, this is another one. which confirm that he was under psychological pressure. there are also control gestures. this lip biting is frequent swallowing. that is, these gestures are a manifestation of control over the reproduced information. that is, he

is controlled by what he says, well , this control is aimed at what i say correctly or not. well, to be honest, i also got the same impression, especially when i saw his shifty eyes, she, well , that is, when you remember something, firstly, we know, yes, that the task of a person remembers he looks in one side when he lies, he looks the other way when he reads correspondence texts. he that's just the way my husband runs into my eyes for one i'll add. i beg your pardon. that's even before a colleague, indicting the victim, when they paint when he had the intent to commit this crime. and the way they taught him to speak is generally completely different. periods of time they didn't even prepare it properly, the way they planned, since they filed charges. that is, they say that his intent arose when he was engaged in having sex with a girl when he saw that someone was filming him. although someone could be seen there, but during the interrogation it turns out that there are absolutely photographs about this motive. he

learned from the victim at the moment when it is important to prove the motive of intent in our military-industrial complex, it is necessary to prove when intent arises in him. they believe that it arose when he had sex at night, and he says when he came out 100 years old, right? so it turns out that there is some kind of magazine. uh, guard shifts. right. yes, this magazine guard brought the court session and he said we started working on the thirtieth of june, and prudnikov went to work. here. uh, girl 49 on the sixth, that is, 49 in the morning. wait until the thirtieth of no one at all and save at all. there was no one, and on the day of the murder there were no guards. so her guards were put after the murder after the murder, that's catching up. yes, all of the materials we have supplied have been denied it when communicating. and why they refused, the court made a decision

based on the opinion of the state of the unifier that it is inappropriate, that's all, of course. look, i said in the jury from the very beginning . since we really had a lot of hopes, we pinned on this one, and the court on the type of this court. yes, even before it was introduced to us. yes, and now it would seem that we can hope for a verdict by unprofessional jurors, who are, as it were, not interested in the process, who stand outside the investigation of the prosecutor's office and the court outside this wonderful triad and can make independent decisions. this process showed what can be done in court by a jury of a jury, what was there for story. tell us more, please, well, the first thing we encountered. this is due to the fact that this is the amount of evidence that is in the case. it was not given to the jury. this is due to the fact that we were simply refused, and

the court used such tactics in questioning witnesses and calling witnesses. here we invite witnesses who were previously interrogated to have protocols. questions in the case, the court decides to interrogate them without the participation of the jury, interrogate them and then decide not to allow them to further participation in the case. we had very important witnesses who testified confirmed. alibis are also witnesses. their protocols of interrogation have been interrogated. uh, they also refused to read out the testimony of these witnesses in the case materials, how is it? well, they are in the protocol. wait there is in the case. just a second. and everyone, as i understand it, uh, a member of the jury, all the departments lie in front of him, and he, as it were, studied them in a wrong way; and do not give a case. they do not get acquainted with him, if they are not given a case, then the materials of this

case. as it is possible, we told only what the parties represent in court. the judge starts and has the right to reject the call of all the witnesses you ask, that's right, well, that is, in fact, the judge, how he steered and steers the process. push some more people to whom i will now tell how interesting it is not in this manipulation in court with the so -called extras. yes, this is one thing, but extras can also be obstinate, as in this case out. and this is where the most interesting begins , this is where something that is worthy just now is considered not just by the supreme constitutional court, because what is happening in practice. this is before we tell what happened. i know that after this happened, you declared from the judges before that, before that, when i was

refused repeatedly to examine the evidence, you were refused to challenge, but the application was left without satisfaction. what was the name of the judge. kurgus yulia yuryevna so, what happened, in fact, on march 28, 2023, when the jury was supposed to put the verdict on the table of the judge on the 28th, the jury, after hearing the arguments of the parties, removed the deliberation room to decide the verdict, and two questions were posed for their consideration. committed a crime and the second question? is it proven that this crime was committed by prudnikov? 28 they left the deliberation room and how long they deliberated for about 4 hours after the foreman of the jury handed over the question sheet with answers the judge, instead of checking the list as required by law and handing it over for the jury to announce it, the judge herself retired

to the deliberation room, and on the way out it was explained that the verdict contains contradictions and clarity of inaccuracies, therefore it is necessary to clarify it, for which we are postponing the meeting for the next day, and then the next day. uh, four jurors didn't show up, four of them didn't show up, and we already had two spares, and there were two spares and six main ones, respectively , four didn't come and not enough. i even know why didn't they come? sami yes of course, and that verdict was the most interesting. five jurors voted for the fact that it was not proved that the crime was committed by the prudniks one of the jurors, uh in chita, considered proved that this verdict may not be clear. yes? what is the reason for not being established, i'll tell you why they didn't show up the phone numbers and addresses of everyone who

works for the jury. they are well known to law enforcement, what they do is call and say don't come. this is my hypothesis. and yulia yuryevna appeal to sex. what's here? explain to me an idiot, what is incomprehensible in this verdict, and to the jury, that it is incomprehensible why they disagree with her, it is incomprehensible to her, what are you asking, in short, the next day they came and what decision the judge made. the decision was made to invalidate the consideration of the case against trudnikov. it 's just to forgive the colleagues of the jury for the reason that they were you it was a circus with horses, of course, and start consideration again to begin the formation of the jury. here we are now we are in the process of formation at the stage of appealing this decision. but this time. yes, why. because the law

must establish that the jury cannot continue further participation in the case. and this decision can only be made before the jury leaves the deliberation room. in this case, the jury has already, firstly, left the deliberation room. secondly, no one has established the reasons why they cannot take part, they did not really show up. but maybe the person was late, maybe something else fell ill, but the decision was made instantly on the same day. yeah , late, and everything so that their verdict was in force. so, uh, cancel the restoration, respectively, as follows, if it is canceled, then in this case, uh, so the collegium that was illegally disbanded. she is invited to be clarified , clarifications are made, if any , and the foreman of the jury announces the verdict. after that, the judge must issue a verdict of acquittal. ugh great. that's all. but and who now e can decide on the abolition? superior court who is this

novosibirsk regional court, that is, you have to do it there, we have now sent a complaint. a complaint has been sent to the court, it is filed through the court of first instance. see. if , nevertheless, the logic of the judge is to act, then any verdict that she considers to me is really bad. may it be subject to the same procedure and process. can drag on forever. that is, you understand that this is an absolute discrediting of the very idea here, the jury, then they will quickly hold a new meeting and will consider your complaint when it is not relevant, of course when the new jury will work, and the new live will work until the verdict coincides with the desire of the investigation of the prosecutor's office and judges. if it doesn't happen, then another jury will be dissolved. here's to making sure that doesn't happen. i'm asking for a panel of judges now. pay attention to how your respect works. favorite colleague the most

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number one let's invite a friend ivan to our studio alexander vlasov because he also has something to tell us alexander hello. i know that they acted as a witness, so what testimony was given to the case? i understand that you confirmed ivan da's alibi on the 27th. ivan and i wrote off. it was approx. well, that is, the day before the murder, roughly speaking, a couple of hours. we signed up with him. i called him to run with him a minkout area. we

met with him. well, within walking distance, one could say they were from each other on the 28th. he was at a girl's graduation. we are with they also talked, but there is nothing particularly important there. we talked for hours at 3:00 messages. we had a-a on the twenty-seventh also in the afternoon. we had an exam in mathematics, that is, he has a day before the murder. well , that is, he was not at the exam, but in fact he was, we arrived there together, but we were a little late. uh, they let me in. no, because he had on. well, athletic uniforms, that is, all this time, the day before the murder, on the day of the murder. as i understand it, you corresponded with him everything, where vkontakte and all the correspondence was preserved, yes, and only the fifth of july. he wrote to you that he is going to work tomorrow. did you ask him if this is the job? where did you want to go? so this confirms that he just got a job?

yes well, i mean, he got a job, he was on the sixth uh-huh well, that the first working day was uh-huh, and now look, so we are dealing with chikatilo because according to the investigation on the twenty -eighth, he, uh, being in this camp kills a young man, then calmly completely arrives at graduation, and then to the same camp where he killed gets settled on work. well, he already knows how to kill there, katya, as i understand it, that you are ivan's girlfriend. yes , and a sister. yes, absolutely right , it was you who found the lawyer, yes. we have known vladimir sergeevich for a long time when my brother came to my house and said that ivan had been detained in a murder case. i immediately dialed vladimir sergeevich and said that i needed to go. uh, in the season so one of the very important pieces of evidence that the court did not accept for consideration. this is a security journal. yes, he also appeared largely because of you, yes, when

the trials began, vladimir sergeevich asked me. uh send subpoena to witness. a and well, it was decided that there are addresses, maybe go call in front of the door and talk , just like a human being, so that they come to court and just yes, i went to yakovlev to witness yakovlev this is who is the one who provided, just the magazine is hanging head of security. yes, it's the head of security. yes, here in the photographs, and i came to him, initially i didn’t really go to the contact. and well, it is clear that the person is afraid, but then talking. he said that prudnikov could not do this. i asked, why did he say i have. uh, the magazine went, got this magazine from the nightstand and we just went over the dates with it. and here is the only record, when prudnikov started work. it was july 6 , 1918. now listen to me. uh, so viktor yakor really

was the head of security at that time. viktor yakovlev ah, it's really very difficult to make contact. well, they tried to persuade him to come to the studio, but as our editors who talked to him say, he is very scared. and what do they not know, he agreed to give us an interview. and when we assumed it would be an interview where we could ask, well, not a limited number or a reasonably limited number of questions. we were wrong. everything he said, now you will see and it's 25 seconds. we interceded security companies this year, when a murder was committed 2 days later than the crime was committed on objects boomerang based on the magazine ivan prudnikov intervened in july at the beginning of july earlier in the magazine i did not find that he was standing there somewhere else comment on the crime nothing not

i can, i don't know. but he is absolutely right. and what should he comment on if his enterprise took over only 2 days after the crime happened, i can say that he should have said, he was at the trial. yes, of course, he said that i was very indignant when i was informed that a crime had been committed there before us, because we had to take some additional measures. you see, they did not know about this, the guards told him, who learned from the administrator. well, he is essentially his civic duty, to be honest, fulfilled, didn't he, despite the fact that you said that he was afraid, when you first came to him, not only that, i asked, why are there no magazines in the case? he said that when he offered to show this magazine to the investigators , they told him to remove it. here are the words, what will you get? yes. he also tried to contact podlyako in front of me. it's also just

a security guard. who stood up and and when he called him, uh, he was told on the other end of the line that i'm not going anywhere. eh, me, like , i still want to walk around freely, that he's scared he was intimidated i heard this conversation, personally, i, but you did not specify who is intimidating them? what are they intimidated by? well, here it is already clear who intimidated, that there was a consequence. well, at the investigation stage, this magazine was immediately dismissed. well, well, well, specifically, who i did not ask. are you still in touch with someone, were there any witnesses, right? well, soldier oleg also persuaded him to come to court. he came to us. let's call him. oleg hello, thank you for coming. do you remember, when you started working as a security guard at this campsite on june 30, we took over there, i personally went there first

accept the post two days later i just found out that someone had killed me on the first working day that there was a murder, they didn’t even know such a campsite olga and she also told us that a guy had been killed, so we put guards there. and ivan when ivan appeared about a week later, i hooked it. he stepped in a week later. have you ever seen ivan with an estameskoy or other specialty tools with a carpentry tool, we have much more questions. naturally, the court should have given answers, but did not. i am convinced that the guy is not guilty. and basically all of that. today we saw it again from different angles. i sincerely hope. hope the guy gets released soon . i wish you this with all my heart. i really hope that

what he has now experienced will end for him, because i am convinced that he is not guilty, and in addition, i would like to say that after this, of course, it is worth it, he will probably be sent when all this will end with a psychologist, because it breaks a person very much at such a young age. age, so that his life would go on in a completely different paradigm. but i hope that the complaint of a colleague is over. and given that jury selection is also, well , the process is not fast, it is possible that you, too, will achieve success in your process. every time i thought about where people get their strength. i would like to thank you very much for not laying down your hands, he is a real mother who will defend her child to the end. and you guys. thanks for helping. all i hope our programs will help you. thank you big.