and to find out his opinion, in principle, we have very interesting people with interesting people. i work and it's a pleasure to be with them. well , sometimes there are moments, but it happens with all athletes, sometimes such a moment comes. well, how about yourself, a former athlete, right? and as a coach, i can say that you get so tired that you are ready to quit. how often have you had this thought this year. well, often , well, it’s more likely to be the beginning of the season, this one from july to probably, somewhere in september-october , such an incomprehensible feeling, as it were, when you work directly and do everything, well, as far as you can at the moment, but it turns out that this is not enough at all. you can't even reach the level that i don't know, you had in juniors. and you have done

everything possible, and at this moment, your hands are immediately released, but you just need to somehow set yourself up to continue this, because after a while it comes and kills me in the training process. sorry someone is helping. it's a pass there, again, mom coaches. friends, maybe, well, rather in necessary in this case. do not get hung up on figure skating, that is, if you need to live by such rules, here is figure skating, it remains figure skating. that is, you left the ice, forgot everything and live a-a normal life, that is, your normal life, walking with friends and not thinking about him. so i came to figure skating. here is your job. you think about work so as not to burn out, otherwise , if you think 24 hours a day, and figure

skating, you lose this line and it seems to you that you are constantly engaged in i in fact it's only there three or four hours of ice a day. and that's it. and now you need to roll it to the maximum and, uh, the whole season is already behind. now it's just a matter of a pleasant ice show, where we can see you in the next few days, the nearest place. what are the plans on the 22nd in omsk on april 26 in kazan even i don’t know, all this crankshaft on the 28th in ufa on may 1 in almaty well, the sixth of the seventh, if i’m not mistaken in mongolia, do you want to visit mongolia? yes, i'm interested in taking we'll send photos. social

networks, but where and how kamila valieva will a break from figure skating fans and interviewers? i think, well, i really want to fly to the sea for 3 weeks in may june 1 already igor in mathematics. well, get ready. here are your plans for the summer. thank you very much. it was very interesting. you are beautiful , you know it to me and to all the fans who are watching your successes with such pleasure. thanks a lot for visiting here. it was kamila valieva and a free program podcast with maxim travenkov. hello this is a podcast life is wonderful. my name is alexei varlamov today we will

talk about wonderful homelands, but not only about them, we will talk about literature about the novels of the writer evgeny vodolazkin, doctor of philology. hello. evgeny germanovich. hello, alexei nikolaevich , i thought it was already possible to say in this number, and it seems to be. well, by the way, since we are talking about her homelands. and i want to immediately explain that the topic was proposed by the guest. why this particular topic seems to you the most interesting it? uh, in general, a well-known concept and like you and a about everyone has some idea, but the idea is rather vague. and so i would like for us to talk in more detail about the phenomenon itself and what it is very good in our conversation. we must be clear. come on, let's

do everything so that the holy fools in our country feel properly understood, uh, and surrounded, uh, with care and good relations. and you think we have a lot now i'm her affairs. i think there are always fools and, uh, there are different forms and relationships. may be we let's talk about this, uh, in the future, but in general , her kinship is a kind of spiritual achievement and kinship is associated only with christianity. uh, there is, uh, some form of uh, which in different cultures is similar, uh, similar to kinship. uh, uh, there are some things in the east that would seem to resemble her kinship in the west. well, let's say jester but something else is an institution. this is a completely different matter. this jester is an astronomically

exalted person, but this person does not have any special spiritual basis. and it seems this is the person who takes the term for it. it can be said that e is a supra-legal feat, but because there is asceticism in christianity . uh, there are uh, others. uh, a type of holiness, but foolishness, this is the only type of holiness that is not subject. well, perhaps there will be regulations and ugly ones, as the ancient russian texts say, because this is a kind of holiness that is ashamed of itself, holiness that wants to hide that it is holiness and therefore behaves like a holy fool . uh, very strange. he wants to escape glory from the man in this respect too. uh,

when asked, but let's say some uh, artists hmm who are satisfied with performances and others of this kind. no, it doesn't seem to be, because the holy fools rage, glory from the man. they are searching. and these are different goals, there are different types, and there is growth, its natural kinship, when well, just a person, uh, with some deviations. from birth, but there are people who come to foolishness, which is a very important characteristic of tribal, they almost never deform, where they were born, and where everyone knows them, they leave. well, it seems that they leave not only the world in which they lived, they leave the world, in general, therefore, the transition to foolishness was often

called death to the world, death to the world, despite the fact that he is present in this world, but he is present very strange quality, and as if he were outside, put something in relation to this world. well, it turns out that you seem to be saying that the monks are leaving the world, the monks are leaving the world , the hermit is leaving, but they really are leaving people. and it seems that, as far as i understand, they are running human glory, but obviously people are not running and her life, it seems that they pass in front of everyone and in a sense, you can say. what is this? well, such is the spiritual theater, yes, that is, they are on stage all the time and the people who surround them. these are the audience. they play some kind of role in which there is clearly a deep meaning, yes, that is, their life is filled with meaning, but what is this meaning, right? that is, it turns out that after all its rhodium. well, not that they compete with the church, but as far as i understand, hardly anyone really prepares them, they hardly have mentors, hardly anyone

bless this path. that is , it turns out that there is some kind of innocence in this. some audacity. is this some kind of rebellion against something or what? yes , impudence, this is something that does not fully determine whether these people are impudent or violent, as the old russian texts say, their will be their natural life. and how the church still treats him, the church determines according to the spiritual essence, uh, and the radiant and using leskov is the womb for the sake of and the family is another. these are those who are looking for some kind of opportunity to earn. behold, there is christ radio and behold, uh, the church recognizes and deeply honors these brats, but what about goals and kinship? why exactly? eh, why is this an eccentric, then

it’s well said in one of the troporei to expose the imaginary madness of the world and, more importantly, the holy fools. he is, as it is said, the slinger of st. basil the blessed day, both laughed at the world, it sews clouds and laughed at the world during the day. and at night it was not everyone who was laughing and generic who cried. it seems to be the one who is able to cry afterwards, because otherwise the laughter destroyer uh is a destructive laughter. and evil if the man just laughed. for example, gogol and here is this phrase about, apparently, the world of laughter through tears invisible to the world. this, if you will.

an herodian phrase in the highest sense of the word, and in fact, on this pair of laughter and tears, in part gogol broke down, because laughter turned out to be tears, but now, if you take the second volume of dead souls, he saw that it was strength does not reach the heights of his laughter, and therefore all this drama happened with the second volume, but gogol, who was a deeply religious person. apparently he thought himself. uh, directly or indirectly in this paradigm? well, if we soon started talking about russian literature of the 19th-20th centuries, then, of course, wonderful examples of heroism are remembered there. in pushkin, first of all, yes, in boris godunov. then, probably, traces can be found, and foolishness can be found in the novels of dostoevsky, and in the idiot and in

crime and punishment, that is, it is obvious that for fyodor mikhailovich it was some kind. well, this one is also very important, and the human moment has a cool story a little mistake. do not remember, it is dedicated to the real holy fool, but to ivan yakovlevich sooner. and there, just her kinship is played out from the other side, because, well , apparently, the shortest such was a personality, rather, contradictory. there, the plot is that a certain person has three daughters and the eldest daughter cannot become pregnant, and the other two girls are marriageable. they can't get married yet, because other suitors are looking at the older one. she does not get pregnant, something is wrong with these, and then, it means, the little mother goes to give them a note and after time, it turns out that the eldest got pregnant, and the middle one fell at her feet, which she became heavy, mama rushes to the holy fool and it turns out that she mixed up the names in the note e gave the wrong daughter, which means to get pregnant. and that is , here we see some kind of paradoxical enough moment. here is in relation to this

denmark kinship. yes, but he has these freaks at leskov's. eh, let's say. e, quarter ryzhov e. from one caves yes. and these are such weirdos, and the quarterly ryzhov who hmm behaves. really, how are you? uh, what are they doing and motherland they are outrageous. they hmm throw stones at people's houses, uh pious but there are no pious people near the houses, they kiss the walls. so it seems that with me to many and always there is some person who explains this or on what actually matters. but the fact is that in the houses of pious people, demons are expelled from the house. and

they as practice shows, spiritual they gather at the walls. e, and that's why they throw stones at their seams, and there were no cleaners in people's houses, and demons inside the house, and angels were expelled and angels huddle against the walls. and it seems to come up and kiss them and ask them not to leave of this place, at least here, it seems to me that i read somewhere in some novel, there it also seems to be walking across the river yes, in the city.

we continue with you podcast. wonderful life. my name is alexei varlamov and our guest is the writer, historian of literature , doctor of philology and a little holy fool evgeny vodolazkin. and here is the story about the holy fool, who was not afraid of tsar ivan the terrible, yes, is it true or is it a myth, but these are foreign sources. eh, here's

the mention of this story. this is nicholas aga ivan ruined, novgorod moved to pskov and came across to him. and ivan, who considered himself a pious man, at least he was in general, e villains and nikolai gives him a treat. uh, a piece of grass meat. and there was a great fast and john was indignant and said, what are you giving me, great fast meat, and then he says. and why are you meat, you are the flesh of christians, you could only say such a thing, because anyone else would not have dared, but you can imagine what happened to him later, and ivan did not order him to be touched and turned

the troops and went to moscow without entering pskov then there, they seemed to be inviolable. it was a special and great sin to offend rhodiola, and even more so to kill, but a great sin entails a great temptation and therefore it seemed that they were beaten, they were killed and, by the way, they were often offended. children are repeatedly described as, let's say, such a gang of juveniles seemed to attack, and hooligans they kind of knocked down and nailed him and so shabby clothes to a wooden pavement and then, when he got up, and it all remained at them laughing. i partly described it too in the laurel, interestingly, many, it seems, were not russian by origin. they were,

apparently. there are italians, germans, some. this is exactly the same, uh, they go to another land to be related. even i would say in the anti-world, since these were very different parts of the earth, then such an anti-world in relation to themselves, they were here, and maybe it seemed to them that in russia there is some kind of special third ear special sensitivity towards to europe at the same time, they switched to orthodoxy, right? uh, they were converting to orthodoxy. e, and. in in general, these were not rare cases. i saw one and give birth to him. uh, when my wife and i were at a conference in jerusalem, we met such an irony, father pierre or father peter, and he lived near the coffins. uh, pratsev is

near the russian monastery. he has an amazing story. he is a frenchman who converted to orthodoxy. and i decided to go on foot in russia, i decided to bow to the icon of the mother of god. i don't remember now. which icon. and he didn't know anything. it was like the early nineties. he reached the border of the russian man, asks how he going. then he says, i want to venerate the icon, that you can’t cross like that. they say to him, well, go on, he told us that they let him in in the end, because they realized that this man was walking while he was so typical

and well-born and foolishness. this is not only an attempt to hide one's holiness from the holy fool. there is one more he. gets rid of his personality. and this most precious thing is dearer than the body, because if a person breaks up, it's terrible and let's say the holy fools sleep, eat dogs in the shed in the garbage. he really becomes declassed personality, but he does not lose. he dissolves in god and he becomes a part of some kind of divine energy. moreover, the holy fools are not so that since she always had many people in the monastery

and there was a period of foolishness for them, and then they left his relationship. it was, uh, it was normal for them to go out and then begin such a life typical of a monk. it seems to me that hypocrisy is a very useful thing. i'm not calling all uh to become ironic, but her affinity is some kind of self-denunciation. this is some side view and side view smile. here, it is especially useful for people who carry themselves, which, as galich sang, think that his every word is a million and every step is a million. stay a little while at least in the inner homeland and you will see how little it is. you mean it

is, by the way, a wonderful phrase, she is a caregiver when this formidable inscription appears. and daniel tells him such a general situation you are weighed on the scales of the almighty and found very light fantastic phrase for beauty great but i'll tell you. now i'm thinking about literature again. to me it seems that if about the 20th century andrei platonov yes and platonov of course, let's say his story is semyon yes where the boy dies mother and the boy begins to be a mother for his brothers and sisters, then he puts on a woman's dress and speaks from here. don't call me more seeds. you call me ksenia and ksenia - this , of course, is understandable reference to another famous ironic

ksenia of petersburg, and for such a proletarian writer, as platonov was still considered during his lifetime, this is surprising , or his story yushka is so classic, by the way, these motives are also found there, the children didn’t like the south - not that they didn’t like the hedgehog, teased, hedgehog, offended, but he was, uh, homeless and this, by the way, but such a platonic accent, i want to throw a bridge and to your writings. yes, the name platonov is found in the aviator. in the last novel. chaggin, also such a surname , platonic in sound and composition. that's all the same, if we talk not only about the lavra, where the yurudievs are shown, as holy fools, in the conditions of the natural russian middle ages. and if we talk here, uh, about your work about your novels, the actions that take place. we are closer to us. yes, in the twentieth century, even in the twenty-first , right here, as you would define it yourself, and here is this heroic accent that is in your books. it seems to me that the foolish

accent, as well, of which you speak of it to a greater or lesser extent. uh, they carry all my uh novels, because it's actually a joke, but julymar. this is already some prerequisite to the thoughts of auradstvo, and a joke - it's always some other twist. this is a crooked mirror and reality begins to change in it, but it changes as it changes. so that uh some things suddenly become obvious. and we see that a person has some special ears, and suddenly his ear is on the whole mirror, and this mirror is a joke. uh, she always focuses on something that wasn't

so obvious and i feel like i try to write humor with humor. all my things, even the saddest, so even lavr, which, in general, is not the most cheerful thing of humor, there is, of course, a lot of humor. it means a lot there, because humor, for example, in relation to death. this is an attempt to show her that you are not her. afraid. i had an absolutely amazing story. in paris, i wandered into the perlache cemetery one evening, firstly, i heard music from afar in live music, and i watched jazz, the bank plays and dances, and a coffin is brought in to this music. some kind of room i think for burning then here, although i do not know how

the order is there. in the center of the circle, which is formed by those present, a woman in a bright red coat is dancing and crying, and she also has a clown's nose glued on, and she is crying. and i want to jump. and what, what is possible in such cases? how to put the question, but i asked the present from the edge, what will it be like a funeral? i say why? in this way he speaks, she expresses her contempt for death. i say why the jazz ban my interlocutor says he was a jazz musician. this is something close to kyorodism, although non-kinship is in its purest form, and foolishness is a look at oneself from the outside. so, uh, i uh, in general

, i use uh quite often. this is the look of the hero, let's say the hero from the first person. uh narrates and he's always gotta have a sense of humour, just to be a stereoscopic view of oneself. and chagin has a very moderate feeling; he has almost no humor. and humor is achieved due to the fact that we see the main character through the eyes of different people. and here's the humorous effect. it arises from the first pages precisely due to this contrast and also the description. there is also a funeral and these funerals, that the fingers of the deceased or the hands of the deceased propagator, but by the sea, although a mistake has occurred. yes, he is an archivist . yes, and the narrator is the former story only in real history. they said

his hands smelled like bread. here it was, booze of peace to us, well, someone said, well, yes, he had to cut bread, probably, they could smell, their left. i really have a funeral. and there they say that the hands smell of ship ropes, but, and chagin, whom everyone considered a walking paperclip, and there would never have been any ship ropes in his life. but he had another, he had a phenomenal memory. and this memory tormented him, tormented him, and he wanted to get rid of her. all my heroes act a little like a schliman and a helmet. it’s definitely possible to consider him as such a holy fool in an adventurous life, so changeable, yes, that’s how a person from one state rushes to another

and, in fact, things in the scientific world went to him, well, it’s certainly like her, they are all so serious with their merit degrees and this one really came. that's all the easing laughed at him. yes, but in the end he makes them all easier. uh, everyone, uh, put to shame and found troy an absolutely amazing poem, which you are quoting. yes. well, yes, it's a poem. e by victor schneider victor schneider yes, exactly, but his poem speaks of paradoxes, then i will read it for a little. yes, with pleasure, as the forger schlimann says until the end of his days and who did not know that all his fake finds, given to him as the remains of three, in fact were such , he often told his wife, my love, my

support happiness, and he himself blushed from this lie and flattery never. himself without suspecting that he was telling the true truth and that there was a wife his only support is happiness and love. yes , because a person, being in his fantasy, he is aware of this. he doesn't understand that fantasy is based on reality. and this is dialectics, this correlation of the real and the fantastic, it is not at all simple. and, uh, a person often doesn’t understand himself that he was telling the true truth, in general, chagin is in many ways an amphe novel

about the fact that we ourselves existed for ourselves in some kind of myth and, apparently, everyone, a shell of a myth about a myth. i love history somehow i stopped by dmitry sergeevich likhachev to sign paper. and i went to one magazine to the editorial office, there was some kind of note and i signed it. he says stay for lunch. i have company, but it was an offer not to be refused, and i sat for 2 hours. here to me sergeyevich, he obviously always told some interesting things. in general, i was late for 2 hours, he says to me, well , why did you come so late? i say, perhaps it will be partly an apology for me that she asked me to stay for dinner with sergeevich likhachev. and they say in unison, and what does he eat? that was it. it was a joke, but it was

is this a joke that followed from the myth that this person? a purely spiritual entity has long been. here are things like lunch - it's not about him, uh. well, by the way, he also wrote a lot about holy fools. yes, he wrote, and it seems, but he didn’t consider it on purpose, by the way, hmm interesting material collected, and hmm it seems to be from sergei ivanov well, there is also byzantine material. well, well, my wife tatyana did a lot of, uh, fools, and i kept thinking, maybe she didn’t see you either, and it’s like why she married me married? yes, or vice versa, she decided to watch. eh, how is it that in any person there is orphanhood in any way, and this is quite

obvious, because sometimes it is very difficult to deal directly with being, and her relationship is some. i would say the deformation of reality, and in a deformed form it is somehow possible to cope with it, that is , it seems that at least something very humane human that makes our human life easier, like this okudzhava, and the soul is for sure, if burned fairer she is more merciful and righteous, these are people with burnt souls, people who have no pride, and this is very important, because it happens that even among ascetics. here there is some pride when a person begins to think. and who 's like me, probably no one else. and irony

you don't think so, because he's always the worst. but this, by the way, is still very interesting in lungin's film, the island there, of course, the image of the protagonist. yes, he bears such obvious traits of her kinship and is also curious. it arises against the backdrop of his own personal tragedy. a little something in common with roman chaga. yes, when a person has some very serious sin on his soul, and he tries, he cannot forget it, he remembers, and here is kinship, as a way to overcome this situation. everyone has their own, but in any case, there is something in common here, it seems to me. yes, and this is the so-called crisis life. and this is bakhtin’s term, and he spoke about a special type of crisis inhabitants, egyptian, for example, yes life, at the beginning of which there is a fall of sin and or some terrible act, after all, always

as far as i understand, when we read some kind of life, we perceive it as a kind of example. yes, to take an example, but to take an example from the hardcore would be rather strange. it seems to me that it cannot be, that some kind of baton of some school of some tradition to pass on this holy fool hero. or i'm wrong, but in fact the holy fools are also, as ascetics always assume a certain one. eh, so to speak, examples in the same way gave birth to her. eh, and often. uh, let's say even in the lives it is indicated that he follows, but let's tell andrei he did to the tsar here, and or there he, following the seed place, to whom he did, he and that , well, we are unlikely to find that some other woman follows xenia of petersburg after the death of her husband.