which can be considered as experimental laboratories, although in fact there are historical tragedies behind it. here is germany she first divided then offended career divided. and there are shitty places where migrants constantly come, how you can watch in israel or the usa what is happening to them there and what is happening in the respective generations in the countries and well, england with its colonies is also like uh, history can be considered as a series of experiments to asia said so, uh, was 15 years ago, an analysis was carried out for two germany and this was done by the famous economist alysinami. he wrote an article goodbye lenin on the night. and the calculation showed that it would take 40 years to completely overcome the difference between east and west germany. in general, we don’t have this figure, we heard moiseev led his people. after the egyptian day, the soul

flies away, so i would say, but here is the main question. not how long will it take . and when to start yesterday yesterday was to start work on the seam no, i believe that there is an understanding of what needs to be done . here you are as a popularizer of science, how dean of the faculty of economics. you advise the government. you have long networked this idea for this task. at least just a wording to do it, but it's not so easy, because you still have to figure out how. but it seems to me that in order to do this, a series of actions is needed, on the part of the authorities and some actions on the part of each of us, this is the government or higher. as i said, my main addressee is a student of the faculty of economics of moscow state university, and

the economic factor of moscow state university has been producing elites all his life. here the central banks of russia usually graduates are not in charge of financial academies, but of the faculty of economics of moscow state university. by the way, i am proud of how the team of elvira nabiullina, and i didn’t even work with these crisis ones, i’m taking this opportunity. sorry for interrupting you. i want to say hello, and my deepest respect for what the central bank and the team and virovsky back office and ksenia yudaeva and other directors did. here is the communication of our elvira was a graduate student, when i was at their seminars of communication, what should i do? this is the highest level of professionalism. just step by step and here it is. yes, they prevented the collapse of reality. yes , and then actually what you are trying. yes, the people who manage the ministries of the provinces, because

for the last 10 years i have been teaching at the presidential rubber the leader of russia, the highest conducting cadre for him , and so on, of course, but here, here i want, for now, these are your mistakes, because a situation in which we account for an ever smaller share of the world's gross domestic product. no, our economic structure is not good. so, i thought well, but my responsibility is it is a revenge. i came to the conclusion that there is and it consists. that's what i always told them honestly, how i generally see what should not be done. what to do? there are some scenarios and that's it. and then it turned out that i work as psychotherapists. that is, they say, it means that here is something for the world, so everything is not bad in it. yes yes. so what do they want

to hear? and now i speak differently. i say, you know who is to blame for the fact that we are there in the village, you and i can firmly say what is in. there is such a vitamin d3 . here is a fashionable one, i would like to suggest in this sense 2-3 each of us first. we are guilty of having a short look. we do not look further in march 24. and this means that education and healthcare infrastructure cannot be good in the country at all, because they take longer to sprout, and do not give effects in 5-7-10. who is how china works and thinks china 20 years should be thinking horizon 10 years ago 12 we made a president's report on east asian modernization. they are very different koreans. japanese chinese - it seems to us that they are all

are similar to each other. yes, they are all confucians, but otherwise they are very different, but they had some things in common 20 year thinking horizon or second majority trust. the fact is that a we trust our own against aliens yes, this is very economically inefficient. this is good for small projects. but not for a big country? uh, you know, in recent years, an amazing calculation was carried out by two french economists algan akayu of the effect of trust on the gross domestic product per capita on the basis of these to each other or trust to each other neither authorities to each other. and this trust is, uh, a positive answer to the question can be trusted by most people, so their calculation showed that if trust in the relevant countries

was like in sweden % would be higher than the gross product per capita in germany in the czech republic in russia by 69%. if trust is like sweden, that is, we have a colossal loss from distrust, and in general, it is clear why we have these two cores of the country who want different things, so after all i trust that i need trust. this is what, let's define it, this is a measure of the subjective probability that your counterparty will not cheat on you, they will definitely do it, you can increase this measure if the rule works and if sanctions work for cheating on you, if monitoring works, that is if an institution works, if it inspires you from childhood as a cultural and sociological program, but the fact

is that in order to build institutions, it is necessary to agree on what kind of institutions russia wants democracy, what modernization wants public equity participation figuratively. sorry for our listeners, readers and russia - this is an individual russia component. these are large cities, moscow peter ural ah. russia -a collective russia, the so-called something that's between further annihilation occurs. as physicists put it, two signals rise, they extinguish each other, and we have manual control with manipulation, because here is the political support of control in fact, and with low confidence and enormous losses. can something to do so, i would say that it is necessary to build trust while building institutions that are mutually exclusive. after

all, it's different. i want to remind you of strange things. these are hypotheses, but russia is a federation. this means that, in principle, in one region, one can be the policy of an economic regime. if you give a resource, of course, and another in another region, that is, you can realize one or the other dream, and this or that issue is small in the region, and then the guys are replicating it now. you want like this, first in comparison, right? because the economy is stitched together through agglomerations agglomeration - this is a small city, and a city with huge gravity, which attracts itself like moscow petersburg yekaterinburg now we have three cities with gravity, but it will be and most importantly it will not yet show this gravity, but in the future, uh , volga cities and south siberian. i 'm sure that's the agglomeration butt joint, and i

would say that if you go back to d3 then the third d is the ability contract. so you know, if the main disease of crucian carp is its trust against aliens and this trigger who are you, who is a stranger or yours yes, then the main disease and russia is not an agreement. i'm right, they need to implement what i came up with, and this is also manifested in the abundance of e political leaders who cannot agree on scientific schools, who actually consider themselves individual about the same thing. that is, i am an individualist. and how can i consider them to be untrue, i am obliged to consider them simply by definition from here. it is also interesting to trace the question of how he managed to build this level. there is such a thing as inflorescence

and individualism. yes, social secrets are social, that is, you are an individualist, right? you admit something else individualists. put it in your calculation that, if you do not take into account, then what the other individualist wants. you don't do anything either. taxes please. here are the fine school taxes, by the way, on taxes the money that goes through your head. why do i insist, for example, that the ministry of finance sees that taxes with the company are not only fiscal income, but also the motivation of the company is similar physically the same. you create different behaviors. well, for example, why should a person pay personal income tax? they do not feel it legally. and not only will he then apply this tax where he lives and asks those to whom he pays his money

to compete so that these people live as highly profitable highly productive people. indeed, the first thing to do is selective taxes, on which i have been insisting for a long time, now we have such one semi-effective tax, which i admit i pay, because people with incomes above 5 million rub. they pay 15 percent a year, not twelve percent. these two percent are spent on children suffering from arfan diseases. the noble goal was right except for two things. why only a narcotic disease and why is it decided by the president and not by the taxpayer? yes, if we make voting a tax ruble, then we are moving towards building institutions and understanding and trust and negotiability. i think that here are two of yours yes, because you know, when we did the strategy uh, 18-24

or russia's so-called kudrin strategy i just about this case, the report, there is the presidential administration, and we conducted field studies of sociology, i was asked. but how is it that people agree to give an increased tax? on school and health clear for yourself. and why on social security according to i say, this means that we have a civic culture in the country, so that they do not understand that it is impossible to live normally in a country where there are homeless children and abandoned tantrums. this is an easy money podcast, and i'm its host mikhail khanov today i'm visiting alexandra rosa let's ask a tough question. what do you think, that is, this is the generation of power, the powers that be can no longer be saved. they will think so, march 24, or perhaps expand the horizon in the first place. i want to admit that something is still obtained in the training of governors.

they themselves asked to be tested for the length of the horizon and they found a horizon of 7-8 years, and they say, but how is it? why do we have more horizon? i tell them, in general, the lord of the future governors in your provinces. oh, they will build well roads, but will not yet read the education of science. and you have more because you are competitive, because you are not afraid of change, because you create that you will emerge down for you situations. therefore, is it possible to influence this generation? yes, otherwise i wouldn’t have continued to work on this very thing, but, unfortunately, one thing must be admitted that all cultural processes are slow, so you need to start now if you didn’t start yesterday, and forgive the effect, this is a tragedy, drama

, cultural changes are slow, but not be sure to wait 25 and 40 years before the appearance the first results of such labors and efforts. look here. i look at what is happening in our life on the streets of moscow in the nineties, the 90s are already a new time, and for example, in the tenth year. these are completely different cities. moreover, the norms of the convention have changed for a driver to let a pedestrian pass in the nineties . it was a hunt for pedestrians and try if i crossed the door, the attendants would have left, that is, conventions arose , public spaces arose. what actually happened to us is that we have grown, uh, a very important consumer culture, because the consumer had to be protected.

i was then the president of the confederation of the cis consumer society and we dealt with the first law, first of the ussr, then of russia, on consumer protection and so on, because in the new economy it was necessary to remove the asymmetry, and one illiterate person and without a lawyer and large organizations that, of course, would this. in many ways, we made the judicial system work. we then proved that in russia, not in belgium, not in the usa, maybe a working court 99% - the user's decision bring and now this culture began to develop into a civil culture, because the next step, i think, is the culture of the taxpayer, so when i say that it should have started yesterday. we basically started yesterday. you may not notice this, that not at the upper levels, but at the lower levels , there have been very significant changes,

as far as russian education is concerned. yes , except for you, is there any, well, they say, there are plaid stamps, say, teachers of scientists who can say, guys dear our viewers. uh, russian education competitive now and will be competitive, but in the world as a whole. do we have a pleiades of strong teachers ? of course, i want to report that according to the november 22 rating, time soon, go key, teaching economics at moscow state university came out on top in the country. yes, we are on the verge of the first hundred in the world in the world in the world. i 'll tell you who's in the top ten. it is also a good question to wake up cultural maps. the fact is that specialization, not only industrial, depends on cultural and which i called. and still have time in certain sciences. well, for example,

here are mathematical schools, scientific mathematical schools, they do not arise in any country, if we look historically, they were in russia germany anglo-saxons did not have france. but economic and legal knowledge is developing much better in august. why is mathematics in russia because the combination of high distance and power, when you don’t try to reach there and fix something with individualism, which allows you to work with yourself. this is mathematics. quite right, so i, for example, like on in this place, what is the business conclusion that we do not have to stop doing economic development in russia. we, too, in general , did not do it with a finger. we are quite well positioned in the world, we are engaged in places of anglo-section. here at this time. it's there in some form.

china japan, the chinese, yes, yes, because the real serious competitors are razorbills, oh, what are we talking about and e three or four, but at the same time, note that the second indicator is ratings, and the indicator of competitiveness is us every sixth student at the faculty of economics is foreigner. where are most of the chinese from ? i would say so despite the fact that four universities are in the top 10 coming to us. why does money cost tuition? well first, let's be honest, it's not the best chinese. but we teach the best chinese in china because moscow state university created a joint university with the beijing polytechnic institute, by the way, 7 years ago, and

how many people are studying now? well, here we have e we accept 60 people a year and 4 years. you poke around for 2 years, master's degree. here there is a strong chinese. they're stronger than the cost learning. there's comparability of learning. it is practically international, but there is a system set up in the country, because they do that if a person studies, it’s good, then the state is completely for him, the worse they study, the more part he pays, if he studies poorly, they don’t kick him out. why once again this training is completely at your own expense. at the same time, there is a lot of money, but returning to the fact that not only chinese study here, here are indians, and here

is a japanese, and here is an african, and we have quite a lot, and trainees from france to germany in basically, these are the children of russian families living in france germany who are trying to keep in touch with the culture, keeping in mind not only the culture itself, but also business prospects . if we are talking about education that keeps these connections. that is, in principle, there is hope that when geopolitical tensions end at some period in the foreseeable future, russia will again one way or another become an integrated world economy not only as a supplier of raw materials, but also with its scientific theories, including in economics. first now many people are convinced that globalization is gone, we need to work better with data, because we often need to look not at a five-ten-year period, but at a 200-year

period, because when the world economy arose, yes, we are firm, we can say, the first world crisis of 1857. here is a girl ripened after that everything went cyclical crises of the world economy. and if you look at what happened from then until the beginning of the 20th century. listen, and globalization, it turns out, is a non-linear process, but a wave-like one. almost a sinusoid rising then up, then down, then up, then down, growing or not falling. you know the high point. we went to believe never in 1913. we didn't get to this point. globalization it was 1000, but when was modern history the nearest point 913 is there such, right? well, of course, 2008, because after 2008 i started to excel. so, i want

to say how it is not sadness for kozma prutkov, schmid, or it will be a new wave of globalization that will return. i believe that it will be after a couple of years of high school in the world economy. and if now the general rule is trade wars, administrative barriers, and this is not only sanctions against russia please, these are problems between europe and america about this decision of the legislation and so on, and this is undoubtedly a trade war with china that continues. then the gathering of the world will begin, and this is how russia will enter this new round of globalization. here is the question, because i hope that the fighting will end. this does not mean that the sanctions will end, because the sanctions. it's a section of the market, of course, of course, and when you say, let's lift the sanctions, then

they say, why are you and how are we? yes, it’s apple buds now, or something, they’ll sell it so it won’t work, then you need to introduce insurance for the lifting of sanctions, so the sanctions will be lifted slowly and most likely, russia will have to enter the globalization, uh, break through the east through those countries with which we have now actively begun to work, but with which we have frankly speaking, but little experience of interaction, and it will not be easy. also a fork, because, and i would like us to enter the developments. the last question, if we are talking about, uh, you know, i always ask him how a russian person can become happy and rich. correctly, i

understand that you first need to create the prerequisites for yourself, vitamin 3d let's list them again. that's what you need to change in your head a long horizon yes, i can humanly say make a plan for yourself before the thirty-second year and try to start implementing it this year this year, and the first yes the second majority. this means that you can learn to understand others, that you can trust not only your own, because they will cover you in battle against the neighboring street, but for everyone or or as much as possible, because why is the level of generalized pressure in the metropolis much higher trust in the majority, i 'll tell you, but the man came from closed communities and faced a lot of very different people. if they don’t trust him, he can’t have the premise at all,

so that after all this person should be trusted squaring the circle. remember when he came for vendettas. at the end of the day he said how glad i am to see you and the third e and the third. d is a contract with the ability to understand what is in your individual formula for success. it is necessary to write the existence of other people, just as others write to the individual. we will enroll you. i would say that russia is a very complex project. here is a national economic consultation stitching, but this is our project alexander alexandrovich is our project. and in order to do it, a complex project needs to be contracts, that is. you know, rudeness , let's say i repeated for many years that it's good that russia has a flag and no motto, because in russia i would be with this. and why is no one really required for you to love others? well

, on this one field, which is called the country of russia, we must talk , interact and trust each other and negotiate. alexander alexandrovich thank you very much. it was an easy money podcast, its host mikhail khanov and our amazing guest alexandrovich luzan, dean of the faculty of economics, moscow state university, professor doctor of economic sciences. thank you very much . roman karmanov elena kiper yes, we have jazz musicians igor butman as our guests oleg akkuratov i wanted to ask igor to introduce oleg akkuratov as he does on stage when he introduces his musicians. this is a separate part of the usual concert, absolutely

brilliant and better than e. butman - no one will do it. this is a unique unique talented unique educated, but well-mannered and very pleasant person, oleg neat, which i first saw. eh, well we saw each other for the first time , i went to the club to see me, yes, and you were very small, yes, well, not quite small, this is 2000, the fifth year. i was 0 years old 14 or 15 or 16 can i already walk? and you can come to me, so i came. i didn’t even have time to understand anything, and then there was an international competition of the world, jazz in rostov-on-don, the dialect was one of the contestants. naturally, as soon as he started playing, it was clear that this grand prix would immediately go to oleg akkuratov , nikolai yanovsky and i, a wonderful pianist, an outstanding composer and fatter, let a man's tear, because we are because

when you see such talent, you just, well , it touches you. you know, when our athlete bylkovsky won the olympic games, in 2004, i think. and when he overtook everyone, so to speak, all the people in the world. uh, at that time the best ones, who are also so proud of this pride, you always have such tears of joy, as the famous hero said , so it's the same thing, we saw oleg and we both have such a tear, and then, of course, the musician who sings knows great music the history of music classics is played by jazz, the people know it. he sings songs in all languages ​​of the world, so it is impossible to imagine him differently than i imagine her, which means you met. i'm just here to come to you to a living legend of jazz. can you meet? this is me for those who are interested, who wants to come up. but there are such talents, collectors, in general, you can not even say hello. well

, this is appealing to catalently people by and large , since we are a damned industry. you have to be proactive and not afraid of not being seen or understood. if you are talented, then you will notice. he is such a country that we mostly notice talents in you. if you are engaged, so to speak, you are doing something creative, so to speak, activities, then you will understand what you love, if you love, you want to convey this love to other people. and how to convey it, you need to say, if you need to meet a person, and you want you to tell him that i love you, how does a person know, transfer this emotion to energy. well, when we met, but i met when he was playing. i was not kind of familiar thirst many years ago suddenly playing a musician who i have not heard in america which i have not heard anywhere else in the countries a musician who here is with him every second. it's not just something learned, it's every second. creative oleg say a. at the age of 14-15, we went to the club then rostov, uh, and i say

i saw it on stage. and if all this had not happened, you now have a good idea of ​​russian jazz in general, the music industry. here, what would happen next, if this meeting had not happened, you somehow didn’t even ask yourself this question , what would happen to me if i didn’t participate, uh, if i didn’t play with igor, i’ll have him in the moscow jazz orchestra now performed like a cricket in pinocchio well, igor is just a very good person, because i love him very much, i respect him with great pleasure , i always want to communicate with him, play and play, play all the time and work in his team and they say, here in your team, whom not take it. here you are, when you imagine, this is the winner of all possible competitions, both on this side and on the other side of the ocean. in general, americans, when they hear they cry , they sob like children, that's all, they are on

the same stage under your leadership. yes, there is another group. where are they also collected? here are the best ones, probably, or you already have everything, well, in our country. well, not everything is better, unfortunately, i can’t combine all the best, because the orchestra involves 18 people. i'd love to invite it to be some new show where you can do everything. then i would invite you. you are a producer. when do you collect a musician, do you understand? well, here we are still talking about music, we still play music. we are we have certain forms in which we are trying to find something new to find a new form to take 5 tubes. well, that means we need to write one more part for the trumpeter for one more trombone. well, a symphony orchestra suggests, let's say there are as many as 100 people there. it's just 120,120 people. can understand. yes, you understand on the other hand, but there are wonderful musicians who play do their own lineups, some of them

don't play for me, but it would be something to do in the next century of jazz, because i 'm sure that they come to me. hmm , very talented young guys come to replace me. why should someone immediately take the baton and continue to do it, because it is clear that such work. she is given water, she gives pleasure to people who come to concerts. it is this new talents that reveals itself. they could have gone into classical music. these artist go anywhere but they went to the music that i loved we we made. so these talents are such as oleg neat, there is evgeny according to god anton chikurov eduard here, well, all the musicians who work with me ilya morozov and alexander long-haired. yes, i'm ivan akatov. these are all musicians who are in demand both as soloists of my orchestra and as soloists of other orchestras. and as soloists they have projects, so they have to go on, but i must not be alone on one person , everything will end. i set an example, maybe, and

i'm sure that oleg will take this relay wand, and then he will find some young talented guys. yes, he is growing, growing, he has a musical human experience, as for the creative industry, again , so that people understand this creative industry, where absolutely everything is possible. and you have a continuation of the celebration of the centenary of jazz, accommodating 50 regions, there can be so many experiments where young musicians can throw you some new , completely unexpected solutions. we are absolutely looking for them, we are open, very very open and then not only me, i’m everything, i can’t do everything, but you can tell me oleg, igor is there, there are some guys playing there. that's what i would like to do there. there are a lot of projects that are folk music folk music from musicians from tuva da jazz orchestra, tuva jazz benta. they play with their national colors there. it is very yes, other other regions other republics. and

it is you who come there, and there you have a synthesis taking place along with this celebration. just too were carried out. for centuries of jazz , we also performed with this orchestra. i performed together played and in the same way, in which i brought and support , in which they made themselves, connected with turin with turin music, where we just were, and we are always someone, especially for 2 hours, when centuries was us it it was just our even condition that they were with us in a big concert, where there were stars, jazz larisa dolina neat. i 'm not bigger, there were also local guys who play here, the best ones were selected from them, watched and played with them. after that we, of course. we give the opportunity to come to the festivals that we do. there are three prominent people in the studio here, which means a producer who once already broke the mold, and in general, had a relationship with a tattoo that tore the whole world. yes

, igor mikhailovich butman the great undoubtedly assembled a battery. like a new generation. yes? yes, you can say that, you can, and here i actually have a question, as a person who is not a musical person in practice. this is how we will tear the world in the future. yes, that is, uh, korea vomits with a cape, for example, no matter how sound, korean korean popular music is tearing the world in groups. now the most popular. yeah, well, that was the first one. there's more. yes , of course, i know, here he was the first to listen to this music, but i know that there is such a genre, yes, and bts is now the ladies themselves are popular. uh, so she's a musician. i don't know that. it's always possible to study it. we take an example

, we look, we find people, yes, they are trained by the proposed to write, similar to the manner with the use, for example, you just need this is all education, this is all. well i've been learning so say, uh overseas music school. that's where the conservatories tell us about how he wrote music. we study modern composition. and they tell us here is the pilone, the miser wrote. so he uses such techniques such harmony. here in these things he has such harmony, and in the next thing such harmony. and now you write in the styles of the body. you sit and write. i have a composition called. the siberian mont is also here we create, so to speak, in the school class. and we take what is popular with us, it is popular there. here comes, talents, young people we say write in this style. and now apply this is a huge job, and the goal and this goal should sometime. well, it will work, when it works, not two people will appear or not

one person is determined by five, that is, you are not calm. you don't rest on lavra of course not. i, i, i’m going to this, they say in korea what happened yes, there are eight such extensions, there are eight people, that means korean producers. they made the technology took the swedish composers e, young young talented guys, yes, that is, they did not go to e, because the festivals are not there. here they could not find oleg neatly there. they take very young children, 8 years old, train them and then let them out. in these bts collectives, for example, this is a product like this, is it possible for us to have such, uh, nobles, when such smart people gather, so it launches a conveyor in which talented children and maybe not very talented ones find themselves and we have a new music

industry, for example, like this, well, in general, in general, i talked with one of our famous producer on the subject and one of my ideas was. let's get together. here are well-known producers, composers, let's get together and discuss how we can surprise the world by inviting them, who are very no, everyone doesn't have everything, but we don't. well, someone is in control. yes, we are all experienced. they are all unknowns. well, everyone knows their unknowns. i know my unknown jazz musicians who are already participating. at first it was oleg neat, when i showed oleg neat on the phone of wynton marsales, he too cried. yes, and immediately invited oleg na to perform in america, the same thing. everyone can bring his not unknown and also get together and discuss this topic for discussion topic for discussion. what to do next so that the whole world listens to us? well, here we are in jazz, i know how to make popularity better than

american jazz. here. well, sometimes we're better sometimes. but although he has to strive. you know, when it was my anniversary, oleg played and sang to her there, strained with shares, pressed the orchestra of mars, trumpeters with them, of course, there in general, that's not even a drummer. not even a bass player against. i didn't i didn't say our best. well, yes, they don't have guitarists like we do. saxophonists no, there are no guitar saxophonists, they have a good amazing family superbly. yes, we played with them. at first we were worried, but when we played already in st. petersburg, we relaxed a little, so we played well. but yes, this is a brilliant musicians, a brilliant orchestra. what can be done to play better? what do they just need to do for a couple of hours more than they rehearsed each and every one? well, it can be fattening, we were interesting. well, there are wonderful composers who

, even the ussr, still show how to be a vocalist, and he plays a solo program, so he sings both folk songs and cossacks, kazakh cossack songs, folklore folklore, krasnodar forter sing the kuban am. you can ask for something accauela, i can make it very cool. yes, ah, yes, i will. you are a shkara no oke yes, no way. ay, thanks to

olya, what kind of ending, by the way, suddenly i had such a question. i am often in jury at children's competitions and children, when they start singing jazz, they learn it. it is clear that they are teaching him. they don’t feel it, maybe this feeling should come with age, in general, like a jazz school, that is, a child comes. he wants to win the competition, but not everywhere and not always, not in every genre. and here is the question for the new shift, which will come and synthesize it, because for them this technology is a technique. yes , you say that when a real feeling comes, because it may not come, you see, this is where we mix, again two concepts have talent people, they have feelings, because when there is a competition, everyone wants to win the competition. uh-huh. therefore, if you have a competition, let's say the piano. you must

learn everything well. that's right. and then you win like that and you learned best of all, you interpret best of all. you win a jazz competition. children, mothers, fathers, teachers are afraid to lose, so they memorize it so that they don’t, just a jazz interpretation of any kind of musical structure, but they learn it all by heart, and i try with this many even talented girls who even drank with us will also fight. i say improvise. you don't need to be taught. she says i learned improvisation. you don't need much. you can sing better and this excitement of creativity will come to you at the moment of the very performance, you will understand. you know you play the piano. you know music. you are a talented person. oh no, she learns everything and gives it away. yes, that's it. and when you sing already learned , no, it's completely different. it might as well be well written. maybe he did a great job, so

you play it every day. it disappears here. here is the charm of jazz music, why do we love it? i when the first competition, when i was in rostov-on-don, i look, yes, two compositions, the peasants have to play there and they choose the first composition themselves. and then there was no then at all there was one composition. and so they played. i watch him play. well, the man is playing. well, great. wow, and then i say, and you play there, well, some kind of jazz standard there, he starts playing and the kurlyk kurlyk. well, that is, jazz, this is a continuous creative should not only be jazz, music is creativity. this is permanent life. it’s easy, when they really lead, there is such a tatyana chernigovskaya who says that children definitely need music, and she develops and expands this and at the same time here in a new education. i mean, there could be this part, when in the new, i mean in the new millennium, when they give children the opportunity to start an experiment in basic education, of course,

this is a must, and jazz improvisation is not some kind of some something like that out of the blue, yes. this is how we talk. we've set the topic. we start talking to her, if we have enough to say so, well, i don’t know the knowledge there vocabulary. you know, sometimes i want to say, but i don’t have the strength. and how was it for you? as a child, everything is fine too. well, well, as a child . no, well, as a child, my dad forced my child to play jazz under duress. here i have such a question. in general, to force a child not from under the stick, but to create an opportunity for him to study. if there was any story. tell me, i had a different story with me. i had to work with the classics, not jazz, because i just spent more time on jazz than on the classics at the beginning at the beginning of my period, and then i already understood where from the age of 18, when i started preparing for the competition in novosibirsk, i

think i thought that i definitely need the classics, because not a single jazz musician can do without a classical education. that is, such an adult understanding has come, in general, i already in an adult way , everything began to relate to this, and so on. why is this the biggest thing? why i used to spend more time on jazz and 2 hours of only classical music and only 2 hours of classical music, otherwise i did it this time. i was constantly working out. well, all day long only jazz for two hours jazz, and now it’s like yes, and now it’s completely both. you said, dad, you said no, but no, i became engaged. i just listened to jazz. i really wanted to play drums. hmm, so my dad played drums for me at home, there were some, but he played there at weddings there. well, during the day the engineer was playing at the wedding in the evening and the drum was at home. i used to play all the time, when i was five and six years old. i already played there with emil dmitrov, he was kind of like that. in general, what kind of records were there leningrad? i played

drums with them all, then they invited me a girl to write to teach not the piano, but she taught me the piano, we moved there half a year later. in vesely poselok in leningrad, the new district is so sleeping and she refused to go there, and he refused, thank god, and then only later father spoke time, jazz benny goodman charlie parker gennady goldstein iosiftein. these musicians were then a gremlin for the whole of leningrad. therefore, these are the ones my teacher, who i later got into, gennady says that he was all the time. legend soviet glory. god still lives legends of soviet jazz, an outstanding musician , arranger, composer at that moment , who played olegs and as a leader and vadim, the people of vekovsky, the einstein orchestra in general, you need to infect, you need to infect, it will turn out music, you need to infect jazzmen to be born. must take to be a genius musician is an absolutely good

musician. maybe just a musician , any musician is a genius, in his own way 100 years of russian jazz, but october was celebrated. now let's celebrate a little more. e 2023. this is a good thing, but the next 100 years are ahead of what is missing in russian jazz, what to pay attention to for the first 10 years, at least with the support that we receive and all the creative industries in our country receive at the moment, we work quite closely in the field of education. and this it's not just us, if the camps in samara are going through, plus, of course, tavria is going through. that's all, it's coming. there is a huge support, so we just need to work, and now we all believe that people can see successful jazz musicians on television, oleg neat. vadim linkey, sergei is there, the brand is peter vostokov. kondakov the guys in st. petersburg are there to crush

our cheeks and other young people appear here, in principle, we now have everything we have a sponsor there is support and at the local level yes huber and the ministry of culture has appeared the incentive is now evident that even the youth that goes they have a choice. where to go classical pianists go or go. i don't know how to go to moscow state university to become an engineer. where are you, you can earn money. you can be a professional jazz musician. now i can not help but ask the jazz musician, this is a wealthy person. well, of course, we are solid, the middle class is solid middle class . so, i don't know, for example, i consider myself a wealthy person. i don't know how it's worth at all in terms of finances. in the sense of talking about, we are now talking about that young people now young people are very demanding on this, yes, that is , if you are in demand, respectively, you have, well, last year we officially had 170

concerts with me. practically lera has the same thing with the musicians of my orchestra and my committee. almost the same thing. well, we didn't play for free. therefore, we have financial stability. i'll tell you what the musicians. some earn very poorly. and this is not the limit. there are jazz musicians, ours. well, we also focus on the musicians of the greatest for us, the same wynton marsales is, so to speak, both a musical and human idol, as a public figure, he was one of the 25 most influential people in america according to well, according to the magazine well, he’s already doing music very well, if marsales, maybe in america himself is an influential person one of the most why jazz musicians in russia can not be influenced. and what if you outline your mission as a jazz musician for the next century?

i don't have any mission. i just love. i can't be you have a mission. i don't think not i sit and don't think. so what do you know, make the girls nice. i have a mission to make people happier, so that they would like to know, i say that if there are some things happening in the world, it means somewhere they didn’t finish something, somewhere they didn’t finish it. something left people unsatisfied. i remember one wonderful jazz singer and pianist shirley horn singing. in america, i was at a festival where i performed, and then i sat listening. she went out. we are already an elderly woman who came out playing with gloves. she sang and the entire first row. we took everything by the hand just not well, there are people. it was as if we knew there was someone on the right, on the left we were sitting by the hands, and now we were listening. here, this

is some kind of divine musical revelation, well , it wasn’t bright at all, it’s just that she sang nothing, and this timbre of the voice is all together. and it was great and we want to do it so that people leave happy with the sulka and share their impressions. dear friends, dear friends on this optimistic note, by the way, opinion. unfortunately, we are forced to end our broadcast. today they were with us. igor butman folk jazz artist oleg akuratov is a star of modern russian jazz without a doubt. i am sure that the best thing you can do now after this broadcast is to turn on oleg's recordings, listen to him and igor butman's orchestra. this is amazing. clearly elena kiper, we say goodbye to new and night airs. we wish you happiness now i am in this big world hey like the sun. that's jazz for you.

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