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Understanding 9/11tv Anti Feik 1TV May 4, 2023 9:20am-9:56am MSK
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kristina levieva maxim kataev maria emelyanova veronika ilfutchenkova ilya zhuravlev the first channel on this is all at 10:45 from a large information channel on the first will start the program time will tell, and right now there is an anti-fake on the air. on the occasion of the youngster for which fake the west presented a world-class award to a famous ukrainian photographer, exclusive, for the first time , the victim of evgenia the youngster called him and asked a number of uncomfortable questions. you will hear what he will answer, as well as painting against fakes by two artists from italy and russia united to portray on their canvases the true heroes of special operations and tell the truth about the crimes of kiev about
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this and much more today in the program. this is an anti-fake program. here we are waging our fight against fakes and disinformation in our studio today grigory pernavsky historian and journalist viktor loginov it. experts. the author of the telegram channel, dad, read the news and dmitry drozdenko, a military expert and editor-in-chief of the internet portal. arsenal of the fatherland thank you for coming i want to start today our program with the fact that it is really very nice that we all united here is such a common people's front to combat fake. i 'm talking about the fact that our viewers send us to the program those topics that really excite them, and here is one of these letters. i would like to read it now. hello antifake program. my name is maria. from irkutsk, i noticed the news that a picture of a wounded pregnant woman who was being evacuated from the mariupol maternity hospital the prize photo of the aftermath of the russian
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impact of the photo, but what does the caption say here? uh, she says that this is an aviary for a maternity hospital in mariupol, by the way, it is not written that russian we also remember. programs with marianna communicated with her on skype many times. and this episode was analyzed when it came out, and supposedly airstrikes in mariupol . well, the photo contest 2.000 23 years old is called world press photo in it, in my opinion, the youngster has repeatedly shone. i don't know if he won or not, but in the twenty-third year it became supposedly the most significant photograph in fact, it turns out that in the west a lie won, they devalue all their premiums in this way no one is left to believe them the problem is that they threw all their premiums into an ideological war with russia directly all literary awards literary exhibitions photo awards and so on and so on and so forth. all this is thrown into the war with russia ; everywhere everything is crammed with lies, and they
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are trying to broadcast this lie to their population on us. well, and thus the population. you know they are lying. it ceases to pay attention to awards and that's it, but we agreed with you a long time ago that almost all of our efforts. they reach only those people who want to know something about old world press photos here photo the fact is that here is the napalm girl. and here is the famous scene when the vietnamese, and the officer kills e, who rebelled during the offensive , ted is, and with the revolver at whisk , all these photographs have a certain history, and literally every second is painted there. this really photos that were taken completely by accident and moreover, they are even duplicated on the chronicle. but here , uh, the situation is strictly the opposite, that is, there is some kind of plot, a photographic plot. but history is girls. uh, this woman , who ignores this story as the object of this photo, is just the same, it’s clear that some time will pass, and this whole
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story will also be built. but uh, if we used to have this. uh, who won this once prestigious prize, we saw that it was an honest work of honest people, but now we all just know very well that this whole action was staged. and this photographer, who is now receiving this prize, who disavowed himself this person did not end up in that place by accident. yes, and most likely, he worked, and for the money. well, what can i say about this ? well, shame on you guys. and here is eugene as a youngster, who not only took this photo, which received an award. oh, and many others with nimki, and we have already discussed so many times that he is not very accidentally found myself in all the places where i had to be and capture and show something, then to the world. yes, i'm more than sure that there is absolutely no deal with the conscience of absolutely this character, this character has done his job. he did it clearly, he did it professionally, he was awarded, by the way,
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i note that here are all these contests that are warmly happening. and, if you look at the photos that have won there for years. they were nominated very strongly sharpened on the image of suffering. but there is a mirny photographer who photographs all sorts of elephants, flowers, birds, there are all sorts of children who play and these products are absolutely not of interest to people who allocate very big money. and now, a generation of photographers has grown up. in fact, these here, which are clearly completely sharpened for such products. and gradually, gradually, they simply begin to put them where it is necessary to organize events for them and then sell it to the whole world. photo vultures are like that. yes, this is what it is, but if we are talking about a specific one, about the mariupol maternity hospital. here you remember that i am these pictures just flew around the world. yes, and marianne is taller than the worldly one, who stood. that's just e was visible. yes, but i wonder why it was the photograph from mariana that did not receive the award. maybe because mariana denied and
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was able to say what really happened and now a year after that tragedy. more already, mariana found the strength to call yevgeny the youngster and the same photographer and ask him uncomfortable questions, so right now let's watch this exclusive conversation at the mariupol clinical hospital, where the militants set up a real fortress, the district , as a human shield for the apu, pregnant women and mothers with newborn children became when we were in the maternity hospital. well, we're all pregnant. mostly. these are the last stages of pregnancy. we were very worried about ourselves, hurt for our future, because we were nearby in the ss and anything could happen . she was afraid for her life and only for our program agreed to tell the whole truth about the events of that day in the mariupol maternity hospital. they went there and threatened to take away the food that was for moms. uh, also
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there was a case when they took away the last generator, which was intended for babies, well, who were born prematurely. er, well, to keep them alive. they took this generator, because they needed it next to our building is quite powerful. eh, the construction of a boom shelter , we had it ready in order to provide assistance to the wounded, primarily to the children's population, in safe, relatively safe conditions, at that time this bunker was already occupied. and we are busy, unfortunately, with children with our wounded remained in the corps on the ground in 2022, on that day in the maternity ward, mariana was also above the mundane. the fee went inside,
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because after i got out of here. no , soon her photograph, a pregnant woman covered in blood, will fly around the whole world. but the author of this whole fake story, press journalist yevgeny is a youngster, it was he who published an interview with marianna, in which the main thing was cut out, and on the pages of the world media she appeared as a victim of a russian airstrike. it was important for us to show and tell what is happening and these testimonies and mariana herself she proves that this is how it was. they distort information very much, as
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they try to present it in context, but nevertheless, they cut out the important point itself. uh, by virtue of highlighting the situation in the way that is more beneficial for them, that is, they give a general picture, but they don’t give out the essence, because this essence for them, let’s say , is not the one that they want to show 8 9 number of departure days. that is , even city battles were not heard, so all the girls from the basement went up to the wards and there was an explosion it was not preceded by any accompanying sounds. we didn’t hear anything even from an airplane, it was me. well, i can't say, i'm not a military man. what happened, but it was an explosion. we left the room and went straight, uh, to the stairs. well, that is, we go out into the corridor. we came out. here there was an elevator. well, he didn't work. naturally, and we
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went down the stairs there was already a basement and then, since everyone realized that tycho had already begun to evacuate everyone to him, then they got up and went out into the street. uh, some dads looking for their wives, not all girls survived. it was terrible when we understood that it was the husband who had come and he was looking for her wife well, no at all. mariana still cannot understand how western journalists ended up at the exit from the maternity hospital a minute after the explosion. i stood face. and here and that is and considered. this is how it all turns out and approximately. it was in this position, and here a photo was taken. that is , i saw that a man was coming towards me, and he had a black helmet, and a black suit and there was no sign, the press, as usual, and then i she asked me not to shoot, when i already realized that she was filming, he came up, he said, that's it, i'm not filming, he held. this is how the camera filmed the video. i was with the policeman whom
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i asked to help me, uh, go for things. well , rather, at first i wanted to go myself, but they told me that it was impossible to go alone. i was going down and about here in this place was taken in the photo here was a reporter. and behind me was a policeman. i walked with a bag in my hands with a baby blanket. i had a blanket on my shoulders and we were taken by ambulance to the hospital at 17 microdistrict in mariupol, and in the morning labor activity began, i was given natural anesthesia. and the cesarean section procedure began and literally there in a short time. after i was already determined postoperatively, they came, er, demolished to chernov and just the same, evgeny was a youngster, as i later found out, when i arrived, i saw a photo. hello eugene, this is marianna vysokomirskaya, you clearly remember me marianna contacted this person to answer simple questions, how did he get there through
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a few minutes after the explosion. was it a planned provocation by the western press and why did the editors of this press ignore the words of all the eyewitnesses, but didn’t hear anything intelligible? the best specific question from you was when we were after the operation about whether it was ice, i was asked and i answered was. you said everything there, you took a comment, i see no problems. you didn't post it. you cut it out. well, why is that? and that is, you set me up with this very much. you think that i cut out, but it's your materials were specifically dealt with, i see no problems. the authors of this high-profile fake made a number of gross mistakes, but in the west, no one cares about this. no, now peaceful mariupol breathes freely, they really, finally felt safe, raising a daughter who
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was born the next day after those events. she is glad that russia came here, or rather , it would be returned. the city is being restored the city is being rebuilt people are slowly returning to life and of course, sooner or later it’s too late to revive everything, as they often say now both mariupol residents and in general that the city is reborn from the ashes, people, of course, will remember all this, but still they believe in a better life. a year ago, when did this happen? when did it happen? uh, explosion, undermining the hospital every time, i'm amazed. i think how much you can be an anti person, in principle, i don’t understand this. i can't get my head around how much you need to be an anti-human in order to issue such orders. how anti-human do you have to be to photograph people
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which you blew up yourself. well, that's it, if you go back, here are uh emotions to the facts. i remember this story. uh, it was one of my first, probably, participation in the nfc 2 program then brought out a direct connection with marianne. then we were able to talk live with her, and she just told everything that she confirmed , uh, girl, that e, like uh, mothers were lying, how husbands cooked, food on the street, how dryers were quartered in the neighboring building. everything-everything-everything. right now, uh, it's been confirmed. and even then we figured out why it couldn’t be an aerial bomb, but according to the nature of the damage to the façade. absent for a pause thousands of times there, yes, then the ministry of defense conducted an investigation. and , uh, igor konashenko is a general. uh, officially stated that it was not an airstrike. this, well, it’s clear that this is a land mine that was set up, well, roughly speaking
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, to mine on the ground and yes, all these materials are being collected and will be collected for trial and, probably, after all, international law. yes, international law. eh, no need to change. it just has to work again the world has to become, uh, a world based on right, not on some rules and then, uh, these are the rules , yes, it will not be repeated, especially since, as far as i remember, this maternity hospital was generally the first swallow, then there were the theater and many, many cases. butch was. that is, uh, they entered this bloody taste. judging by the fact that the youngster received a western award, it is clear that this was a provocation being prepared, just right. from there, under the supervision of western intelligence agencies, do i understand correctly, a small remark. by the way, mariana didn't say that. she said they helped. but the girl said that how our fighters, when they came, warmed the flasks, so that, that is, these are precisely these nuances, that is, some, uh, they blew up and cowardly fled when
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a pregnant woman with uh children, when the generator was disconnected from the uh in the box , saving to charge yes, phones are more important and and our fighters who shared the latest. well, here it is the difference and not yang, well, you know, well, there is an archive. yes, when a soldier comes and sees that civilians are in trouble, he begins to help them. and this is written in the subcortex. here we are now, uh, we watched this material and saw more one girl, who was also in the hospital then. she has not given any interviews for over a year. i don't think it's worth mentioning any name at all. let's leave her incognito. hello, it's okay that we leave you unnamed well, because we are all worried about your safety. and why a year later, you still decided to talk about what happened then in those tragic days after such uda uh fate, it's very hard to perceive even, especially when you are with
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a small child in your arms over time you only realize that going around that we could have died on the wrong day, march 9th , just like they said, before that there was silence. we didn't even expect anything. everything was as usual. now we are discussing photographs of that same yevgeny youngster. yes, and this photo won the main prize , do you know the fate of this woman with the picture was in the next room, as far as i remember, they said that she was shattered and contractions began, but they could not save her not a baby. there was also another girl, too . she died. it was terrible because there was no connection, nothing relatives knew anywhere. we nothing happens to us. uh, when we were evacuated to another regional hospital
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, already dad and husbands came looking for their left. it was very difficult. nobody knew where we were. and where did she agree? let's remind you what happened that day hmm then i understand that it's hard for you to bring back memories of this yes, but please tell us what the ukrainian militants were doing in the maternity hospital when they entered it, what they said to you, how they were with you communicated. the night before, it was heard that they were stopping by in the neighboring ones. the military building later they began to go to daddies to husbands who cooked food for pregnant women on the street. there were a couple of times that they took away this food and after a couple of days of calm , it was heard exactly like explosions. well, as usual, we rested at lunchtime with the communication girls , there was no news information. we didn't
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really know what was going on at the moment. well, there was an explosion. and we were thrown back by a wave and then. uh, a couple of minutes later there was another one explosion, and then we began to descend into the basement. i was also surprised that when we left the cellars there was a lot of press. yes, there were police services of the ministry of emergency situations. but besides them there were a lot of journalists, but there were no employees anywhere at that time. do you communicate with other mothers who were then in those days with you in the maternity hospital, we still communicate? we share joyful, now only the events of our kids and it's hard to forget this day. this will probably never happen, but we try to look for positive thoughts, share them, charge them. each other.
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vasily has been drawing the heroes of donbass for 8 years now, famous heroes who have been fighting for a very long time there in the donbass . welcome to our program. good afternoon, i would like to ask you about the soviet symbols that you often reflect in your paintings. why at all soviet symbols are so close to you there in italy, when i was still quite young, i studied at the academy of fine arts. i constantly bought soviet poster books. i was born in a family that passed these values to me. and then they come alive. and actually my first picture is a poster reproduction. uh, where the famous e lilya brik
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cries out the word of the book is a large collection of soviet propaganda posters. therefore, of course, the style of my work is very reminiscent of soviet posters, when you learned about the donbass and why do you draw such pictures? i think that it is the duty of every person to talk about the war, and even the war for 8 years, and of course, some media decided to hide this information about the war. but still, the italian people have woken up and understand now that the media have been hiding for these eight years. and that's it, it's true, our official journalists who work on official channels. which cooperates with the european union, they
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broadcast only what we know officially, how people react to your work. do you have a pass somewhere exhibitions when they come, what do they say about the people you portray, and does the administration interfere with such exhibitions? sometimes there are some obstacles. a very good exhibition took place last year in august. my paintings were exhibited there, as well as paintings by other russian artists who wrote some photographs on the theme of a special military operation that we have now seen on the screen. they were just taken during that exhibition. have you ever been to the donbass or not, and if you weren’t, are you planning to go? i would really like to visit, not donbass. or maybe i will be able to go in the future, when the situation is more or less normal and becomes calmer. i really wanted
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to exhibit my paintings, and sooner or later my paintings will be there. i'm sure of it, i'm sure of it too. but how can you find out the truth, if the media don't tell you the truth, and where do you get it from? communicating with someone from donbass, what inspires you? the information that i receive in the telegram about different sites on the internet is very there is a lot of evidence of this truth, the main thing is just to hear it and the exhibition that will be held in naples there allows my works and the works of elena to be exhibited in my opinion, and at the beginning of january on the tenth day we met him, and both i and she have telegram channels where we exhibit our work appeared. friendship we share the same ideals, we call each other several times a day and the first project. our when a year has passed since the beginning of the special operation. it
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was such a project against sending weapons, elena bergma. today with us too in touch. let's connect her to our conversation and get to know each other personally. elena we are glad to welcome you to our program. ah, probably a technical question. i would like to ask you right away, since now you are talking about the joint work of the two, how do you manage to combine pictures? they love large formats. that's why i am too, well, here's our picture, as it seemed to us, they can be successful, but look together and although we write them separately, they make up a common semantic and color composition. how many joint work do you already have, and today moment? fate, large joint paintings what was the theme of these works, and our first painting, and this is our manifesto against western
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arms supplies, federico wrote the left side of the composition. this is a collective image of the nato military; western weapons are depicted there, flying towards peaceful life towards peaceful life, the right side of the picture was written. i depicted a tragic scene there, and i relied on real photographs. real event. this is the funeral of a small child killed, but from shelling in the donbass it's all based on real photos. from what moment did you understand that you have to portray such a reality as it is. firstly, i am an artist, and secondly, i have been drawing all my life and i graduated from the battle-history workshop of the surikov institute. i can do it. i studied in
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the military-historical picture. this is my profession and since 2009 i have been painting about our army. how did you get to know federica telegram vika commented something under my picture. and of course, she really surprised me. this is just what i wanted to see from my colleagues in russia this open position. it is this courage. e truth in pictures in creativity. i saw all this from her and we wrote off. and you literally know our cooperation, it began after two or three letters, well, the message is literally. so we immediately began to discuss common projects. our ideals completely coincide and there is no competition between us. e , tell me, please, about those russian heroes that you draw motorola give alekseev brain. what do you know about them, how did you get to know them? why them
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did you decide to paint portraits? so , uh, to give, uh, a voice to those people, uh, who could not directly tell the truth, in the way that there was strong censorship, and through their works. i've been trying to get the truth across since february 24 last year. censorship works very hard in italy and not only. i have been doing the work for many years. i try to give a voice to those who do not have federikov's voice. what are you dreaming about? what i dream of, but at the moment i, of course, hope that russia will soon win this i dream about and in a few days i will leave finally in moscow i would very much like to visit red square on may 9th. i think this dream can come true. and, of course, i dream of continuing to tell
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the truth federico, thank you so much. elena you too federico you. we are waiting in moscow , be sure to come, it will be very nice to meet you here. to you. all the best and, most importantly, creative success , interestingly, federico said on the topic of censorship, and the thought did not leave me that we had changed quite a lot. uh, with our disrespectful western partners, places once they defeated the ussr freedom and speech and said that, uh, the ussr silenced all western voices, although they do it in vain, as we now understand? yes, if we saw what was happening there, well, maybe we wouldn’t go to them, but now the smell is drowning out all our voices the west does not give federica the opportunity to find out what is happening federico is on telegram. only somewhere else she herself is looking for information, and more and more citizens in the west are doing this. they understand that all the mainstream media is lying to them people want to know what is happening with the other side. they can't do it. they begin to carry information themselves federica. it does not have the ability to receive the entire cycle and the entire spectrum of information in all shades.
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and we can, therefore, in principle, our position is much stronger, because we evaluate it from all sides in this situation , as for the fedora, it really is the heir of the clearly uh italian communist internationalists and very ideological, that is, in the family, like i understand there were posters and so on. everything else hmm no it's very i am glad that after all, the fight against world terrorist evil, and it exists now , and this is a transnational globalist evil , about which i'm sorry, but both mars and lenin spoke about it, and now he runs and bites, but the world rises against this both in art and in life and at the front, but it's nice that there are people who are still fighting for the truth. yes, and we are observing this, and as long as there is hope for such people, we definitely have you, join this fight for the truth, i remind you if any photos or videos make you doubt, or there are some materials that make
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