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of incredible beauty. and i have photographs where, in the early fifties, my grandmother in this dress in the russian embassy in washington, here in the evening is different. i'm sorry but me some evening dresses that are still fifteen years old no go to the trash, just because the quality of the fabric is different in general, the quality that the industry had in terms of light industry, and it seems to me that these are the things that we today call vintage, which can be buy in some special shops and they are very cool cut there good quality fabric, despite the fact that these things are already 50 e 60 years old. our time will leave vintage things. for example, i can't imagine. things like this, for example 2022 in 50 years will be alive tanya dear thank you for this question. and, in fact, this is what i drown for. you won't find it in any product. uh, overlock or some kind of open

seam. yes, that is, professionals will understand me, that is, for example, an american woman has such a seam. yes, the most expensive, or underwear, when closed, that is, all my seams, they are closed, why because i just want to create this story, which would be a woman. i love the inlay, even oblique wallpaper, to whom that is, you understand, right? when someone else contrasts to enter, for example, yes, when you have one product, and there is only one main fabric on top, and you cover a piece of material with an oblique trim, for example, a colored one, which, as it were , covers on both sides that it is a designer who spoke their own language translator. i don't know how to continue this word more than once more than once and leafy, in short. well, here's to sho being neat and, uh, lining. they are of course, that is, the lining is the quality of the lining. it's always very important here, not shaved legs, but 10 here's the fuck. well, here it is not a contrast. that's it, that's it, that's it, when there are products beautiful from above. and now, actually just in my opinion, this creates history. yes, that

is just when a designer who has an understanding of how to create a collection of talking about it, education academic as a designer. so you founded your collection when you did, but i’ll probably just tell you a little about the fact that i remember you first of all as a fashionable girl, then as a baira, and then suddenly i saw what you were doing, i saw on someone that is a beautiful dress. it turned out that this is your collection. you suddenly i started to launch my own line and started making my own collections. but tell me how difficult it was for you to find a team, because i know that there is really a problem with these good ones. e cutters. oh, this is such a pain every brand. it seems to me that the team is the most golden gold in general. you really know this backbone uh, each brand cherishes like an apple, because really it is gained by experience and work, and there is also personal compatibility. that is, to the tailor, in general

, the world of fashion is some kind of separate. i don't know you have a separate planet legal yes education, and the first education i have legal graduated from our buina garden kudrinskaya near. you've always been in the fashion industry, yes profile education. you didn't have. look, i'm a hereditary, how to say a tailor, because i grew up in can imagine i'm very lucky. i grew up, my grandmother was the director of a garment factory, and my grandmother just taught me from her, i got it. all because these classic phrases know how to rip apart. yes, this is such a philosophy of life, she's already started. well, it sounds tough to me. and this is actually, this is a very cool topic, because, well, it will support me. yes, here are the thoughts that, believe me, when you had a seam. e, for example, it turned out and rip apart. this is the most disgusting thing to hate. i think this is the motto of my cat in the world. ha-ha-ha, the earlier your grandmother's times were ripping now these rippers or there was the same figurine , here, but there was no leg, the same figurine was that twitches, but we had a singer

foot machine, what if you suddenly make a mistake and back, uh, this machine will work for you, then just the overlock loops around you and you will have just an ugly seam. in short, wait. you know how to type a singer - this is this old one, she knows it's love or not, of course, there was a singer typewriter in the family. i mean, i could sew. yes, further, of course, when i said, we lived near stronovka, i graduated from art school. i've always been saying since such years, girls want to be someone, i said a fashion designer, but my mother finished oil sponges, chemical dad also grandfather pragmatist grandmother director of a garment factory, and actually at that time it was a starvation death of a fashion designer, who is it? here is an economist lawyer - yes. she started her design career much later. look, i got into the industry from a completely different block. that is, ah. i graduated from the law academy, put my diploma on the table and like all

girls. here in the post-soviet time, she dreamed of being a model and went secretly, just in the house. zaitseva was. yes, there was a casting. uh, for a litman bow, such a well-known competition was world-wide. i remember my with the mtv film crew, they traveled all over the country and chose model girls, yes, who went to come, it was a tragedy for me, you know, because i had to come to tell somehow my grandparents’ mom and dad that i won, and the casting and tomorrow live broadcast of the concert hall of russia swimsuit. i had to somehow say, and at that time it's just the daughter of a prostitute. that is, you understand, at that time the models were a disaster. i mean, look here. i had to somehow tell my mother that everything is not as she is on tv today and nothing i’m surprised at the pictures, my grandfather shouted that i fought alone for this, that is, it was i who sat like this on a chair of shame in the center of the family and

understood that i should just endure everything and keep silent now. yes, but in the end yes, anyway , i achieved it with you. thank god i had this spirit of adventurism in me. the only way to achieve something is that the brand e decided to found something that is very interesting. here is the garment factory that your grandmother ran. she's quick listen, she's gone at 80 . she said that this one also works. women's women's line. all of us worked. she has been gone for 80 years. and after that, i don’t know, because naturally, we stopped coming to her , i stopped, what happened next, i can’t say. and then i worked as a model in paris in milan in general , how would the mother agency work, and in milan i lived in milan in i worked and dangled between switzerland and france and then it turned out that i came to moscow won high fashion in moscow which was passing. they even gave me a gift not to eat, so and after that i left, just to work

kavala. roberto covali has begun my new era in my life. he chooses me as the model on which he sewed the entire collection of 2000. i lived in it in the house directly work. yes, i'm straight to florence with them. i wish that i saw this whole industry from the inside and the whole process was sewn on me with examples of fittings for these permanent ones and this, of course, it just inspired me impossible. here, but then there was a process. uh, i also worked as the managing director of the russian mono-cleaner further byers. that is , everything has been developing with the fashion industry for a long time. and when the puzzle had already grown together to the spare tire of its brand, it was ready in many businesses. this, by the way, is recommended by you. i went through all the professions, yes, yes, until i realized that i lacked one thing - it was to create collections, because to create collections. in terms of design, as a designer, because from bayer's side i was like buying to do. how to open stores, how to hire, i knew, but

when i got to the inside industry, specifically scanning the purchase of fabrics, patterns tailor designer technologist. in general , i realized that i did not know this and there were a lot of mistakes. actually. why did i go to study? by the way, many thanks to the government of moscow a. where did you go to study, but during the pandemic , they just made it big, and someone was sitting there, i don’t know, i was looking at the rampart here, i was studying. i listened to a bunch of programs of all sorts of podcasts, is it like online or who is the university? well, this is the theory, that is, you passed the theory. that's right, the practice you are absent. why was there he we chose? that is, some designer who applied for appearances and then it was already a designer. yes, i was already there. but i realized that it was after i studied there that we are huge sanya blacks, hello thank you very much for everything, and a super professional who teaches just in a british woman, and i get to her. here's how they pumped us into training. there, of course, we fully pumped all the blind

spots in the armor, that is, it's easier than ever to give money, for example, yes, why? i'm actually for educational base, but because a person who does not understand how to spend them, it seems to him that here i am now on the fabric, but in fact there these internal cycles and processes are super important, despite the crisis in the industry. here arina, for example, went to study in the sewing business. yes, that's what it's called. what industry crisis do you have, and in the industry, well, not only in fashion yes, but in fashion, that's what the world is now telling, again you, if it's still more in the fashion industry, right? crises in the fashion industry no, she shows some kind of tiny, well , in general, in the hospital, but growth, yes, er growth of what? well, sales growth in sales yes, growth, well, in general , the development of sales, because more information began to appear on conditional import substitution, there about cosmetics and rags and, accordingly, people began

to turn to these brands more. that is , it turns out that with the departure of foreign brands. you saw new opportunities for yourself. not only i, i saw them before conditionally. yes , because i have been sitting on russian brands for a long time, i love them very much. here, by the way, to me interesting to know. you are now studying the arena , just for all these design fashion processes, design fashion processes are called sewing courses, and they tell you about the organization of a business process, and the courses are in the cut course designers. yes. eh, as if these courses are only cuts, that is, modeling. yes modeling, yes and sewing clothes. now, uh, it's not a technique. uh, is there a yearly program of some kind? i don't know what their range is. well, listen, to be honest, it's still an absolutely shovels structure, so i think that there is they teach you how to cut, mom, it's terrible, in short, yes, but by the way, what profession today? yes , what profession do you need to get if you go to the sea, if you want to do launch your own brand? is it necessary to be able to

really draw and cut or is it better to go? i don’t know what it’s called now, you can’t put it all together, because look, if you want to launch a brand, then you can have it, you just can, for example, recruit a team. well, it's important for us to hire a designer. this is what is very many, by the way, do in russian fashion, yes , absolutely, and, for example, they hire super talented designers, and who, for example, could open their own brand, but they work. on, for example, there are exactly women there, who suddenly decided to become a designer. yes, no offense there. there is an investor, yes, and now she realizes her fantasy, he does not draw what he sees, yes, and what he studied. there, perhaps , to show the world your inner world. i don't know if it's good or bad, she doesn't give value judgments. i'm talking about how it works, in principle, but there is, for example, an investor who hires a team. yes, and a designer, maybe an analyst, but not a fact,

i'm just lucky, because i'm in the industry from all sides, you know, insure yourself. that is, i can distinguish the seams. i can i can't just design. yes, because it is really very narrow, but i can take a good specialist. i don't need to be a designer, yes, but i am a 100% technologist. i can write technical specifications for production. i understand this 100%, because i am sickeningly and in order to go. that's why i say industry. this is very important for the brand to float. if we are talking about some beautiful pictures, yes, but creative searches, that is, i need to be numbers, because if you don’t have it, and why start from, because again i’m talking about the budget for the year for the collection, we don't take even two or two collections a year. the collection is already pre-collected, we take winter, summer is conditional, yes, everything must be understood from where you get from the proceeds to purchase fabric to cover all yours. uh, overhead and so on and something like that, that is, there is a lot of everything sewn up. if you don’t see it on the numbers , you’ll burn out, it’s for sure what plans you have for your new professions. look, well, you know me

, isn't this a story at all, because there are two factors. first of all, i am a freelancer, and in general i don’t get a pension. well, not that i think about it every day, but during my life , well, you sometimes think, i'll be old. and what, yes, and i can write something until old age 100%. yes, this is just the profession that does not require any physical skill. and i i'm just not talking about how it is an objective reality, yes or no, objectively speaking about how i thought and why i did it. or maybe i will become very interesting intellectually at the age of 70. yes, and i will write about nothing. hd someone to worry about. what's there? on my pants i can, well, conditionally, well, this listen to these are some fears. i throw abstract thoughts. and if he inflicted a grandmother who died, she was always with her husband, grandfather provided for the family, grandfather died, uh, and she remained in some kind of her pension semi-nonsense, and she sewed like that all her life, and she somehow sheathed someone and moonlighted

with this. yes, then, when i was in israel, we were in production. first time in israel history. it seems that they took us to the production of a person, some bushings make the best in the world and now i will not reproduce. he was a cult man already under 80 years old and he invested practically everything that he earned, and in the training of his workers and in the development and in general in the development of israel in some kind of charity. so he finally sold his factory then in order to open just some schools. right here, yeah some, well, others, not only in this specialty, which means he sold for 8. and he met with russian belarusians with pleasure, and so on, and he talks so inspired about some of his activities. here's how he'll be after that. here 's what. after that, what will he invest in israel and what? this is what he has, in the first place, he burns with this to hell on what kind of pants he has on, and he asks. here in this, i'm sitting like this

all incredible. it's just that the inspired energy of this is better ideological, and ideals, and he says he meets us. yes, and what can you do with your hands and silence, and i just have some kind of this kind of abstraction about this pension, but still a person should have a dream. but, by the way, with age we have become ashamed of the skills of a small motorcycle. it flickered flickered flickered for me. i thought, well, i thought, well, it's just about time, and i 'm so high. i can sew, well, conditionally somehow worse is better, but i can sew about everything that we have, yes, i can, but this does not mean that it takes me the same amount of time. how many really upscale good guys have closing, of course more time and plus i screw up somewhere 100%. listen , well, i wish you that this is more than an interesting activity for you. and suddenly you wish me to wish now. i mean, and suddenly, on the contrary, it will destroy me. i did not escape you

for this purpose. well, who knows, you know, you never know, maybe it's not mine. maybe it's just my hobby that helps, i want to say in design it's always like this, if you the designer is bad, then he will see everything, all the same, friends. love saves the world. i am for the fact that you know from me why not, we will not name even russian color designers. so love for your profession. this is the world of love, because hobbies yes, bye. i have some kind of feeling of a dash, which is very shown to me, moreover, it turned out that it works with my hands. look, this crap saved me, eh. so, uh, that whole year, actually. thank you very much for today's conversation. this is such a thing, it seems to me that fashion is indeed, this is the area that, on the one hand, gives certain people the opportunity to realize themselves with pleasure, enjoy their work and give joy to other people who are just consumers of this very fashion trend, about whom we

talked a lot today, who also get joy in spite of everything did not look at what events or changes that are taking place in the world. anyway, we still remain women girls, even men men love shopping is always like that positive occupation. it's even just to look at the trendy pictures here, so thanks for today's conversation. it was a podcast that was not bait, sewn, and today in our studio there were journalists and bloggers arina khollina and designer svetlana rodina smiling in our set together. haha.