the solution is different with the management literally. yes, you are like here, how to manage your relationship with the biological father of your children or radically reboot everything and maybe build this complete family with another person. here is which of these options seems to you, well, more feasible and desirable. well, leaving everything as it is is not an option, otherwise you wouldn’t be here, just here, but hmm, build a new family. well then, please. allocate time for this, because here i am working, children are studying, and here i seem to have no time, but i want no adult a person understands that if he wants something , he must allocate time and effort, and this means that i am not ready or want enough. yes, how good it is. we are now talking not theoretical advice is very smart. yes, we are sitting here all over the country being clever. something needs to be moved. that

's 24 hours in a day. something has to move something. you'll have to take a risk. yes yes. so what, well, if 16 is so frank, yes , i confess the conversation with you. i just started to open up. yes, like a woman. yes, and somehow already smile a little and shoot with eyes, but well, just about two months. here so, well, yes, well, it's like this the beginning of the beginning. yes, once again try to get out, do not invest in the beginning relationship. directly some kind of expectations, starting simply, as if just shooting eyes. remember, well, yes, yes, yes, that's how it will be, you will shoot more and more right there, you don’t put your soul into it. yes now blitz your questions

that you asked us before yes your questionnaire, how to explain what children? they don't blame me. it won’t be possible to explain in any way in the near future, but it will be possible to explain, such a position. i don't expect results. i just do it. and how to explain in words explain in words docha you're not to blame, and i'm not to blame. it just works out that way. one time, second third fifth tenth twenty-fifth forty- fifth explain, but did not explain heard. yes , the second, how to convey to the children, that their dad likes to convey again? yes, but in general, this is the task of the pope, therefore, in our entire conversation today. i never once heard you call your dad and say, hey, actually, you have a daughter. she loves you. she actually crying be kind. explain to her more than once. and 10, that you love her? why didn't you do that? well, once, when just hysterical, we got through to him. yes

, after all, there was some kind of dialogue, which means that it’s just important that it’s not at the moment of hysteria. and regularly regularly regularly regularly. vasya you have a daughter. i just saw this kind of denial right now. why can't you do it on an empty head? call to discuss what's getting in the way, but it's like i 'm doing it again somehow. that's all, of course, it's your task nothing terrible there. no, there is nothing terrible about the reaction of some kind. or maybe in my reaction you’ll cry well, sometimes you don’t want to live, because you’re some kind of burn reflex again. yes, why are you afraid that you will fang you and swim dad somehow to love, well, somehow convey daughters and spoke. here he loves, judging because he does. he likes. you just understand that people love them too, but in different ways, yes, so you

just show that you can love in a different way. and and once and the second and the third and fifth. for some reason it seems to me that if another man appears in your life, you will have other relationships, you will have a future, you will stop pulling your arms and legs. here from this red-hot past to take away your sick past, on the contrary, everything, when you stop pulling, you will have no, but you pull it away, because this is fear of pain. yes take it and feel the pain - this is once again the norm of life, yeah, here. well, last question. do i need to take on the role of mom and dad. and where do you go, take it? take it? just don't make a mistake. yes, because look, this is a mistake, that i'm a dad, which means, well, the role of a dad, but what do i earn there ? yes, but i'm like a mother, always in everything, affectionate, so gentle and understanding, and yet it 's also strict. but you know the mistake, what

should be both dad and mom, it's kind of like me, my life didn't work out, it didn't work out. yes, it's okay to be both mom and dad. yes, good. you are well done. you cool six is ​​normal now the society of society so happened would like it differently, yes, but it's a disaster, isn't it. it was a podcast about normality, friends of the psyche, where i am a journalist, natalya loseva and my co-host candidate of psychological sciences, a clinical psychologist. mikhail khors brings this very normality into the light of god and the story of our heroine. and lena will very, very resonate with the hearts of many. come visit us . and all episodes of podcasts psyche. you can watch it on the first channel website.

hi all. my name is tatyana gevorkyan, this is a podcast for stupidity and today we will talk about fashion as an industry and as a social phenomenon. i have a journalist visiting today, a blogger and a person who is truly passionate about fashion arina kholina designer svetlana rodina hello girls. hello creepy girls. you can just say, hello girls, let's start right from the beginning, how trends are formed , who invents them, who dictates them or borrows them or borrows them from some 20 years ago about color trends. there is such a brilliant classic story, the tenth sixties. well, in principle , europe, europe is just in the post-war crisis, and cognac, which is cognac, we know, of course, is a drink and they say, we are armenians

they called, then they suddenly asked for a dramatic drop in sales. well, it’s almost despair, and someone from well , from some final company there had some kind of connection with a fabric factory and a person comes up with such a story and persuades this fabric manufacturer. well, in principle, the fashion industry is also not on the rise at that moment, yes, the entire economy in europe is destroyed. so in general, he didn't care whether it was a gray cloth or a skate-colored cloth. they, in principle, took some more or less their own brown fabric. called this light cognac ah, accordingly, they persuaded some diors there conditionally, yes, to lead this color and cognac just happened. well, first of all, it was very fashionable to be in cognac color, that is, brown clothes, and some incredible growth turned out. simply phenomenal, they raised themselves again to super heights. well, uh, again, when it appears now, there is the color of champagne. yes, an observation

according to this scheme, and because we really have a designation of colors in russian. they are what they are, and in english they have there is a cognac color. they have color, camel, well done they have champagne we don't e very camels. while these magazines were still there. they are only used once a month. um, like, oh, this week's trend again surprise champagne color went to champagne flowers, for example, today we watched you have the color of a champagne flower and the kremlin you have typical cocoa, yes, more champagne. here, probably, there will be a designer about it called. how is it called? this is more crucian, like ocher pigments, but i know a little that it’s not i wanted to add, what, for example , is amazing in russia. there are crafts and lace.

yes, and embroidery and this russian craft, i want to say that, for example, when we presented the first collection in japan, then japan , for example, yes, beans there they had such a beautiful woman, because they adore our own traditions. why are we taking so long? this is the post-soviet time they denied what? no-no-no we are not russian. this is russian speech. heard abroad. we are all encrypted. we are all under them. this is disgusting, because in fact we have amazing roots we have incredible traditions in russia and actually just the idea is that it should be taken from there, and that experience. really global, because well, to be honest in france, uh, there was fashion in italy , it was and there really is amazing fashion in america, but we, for example, now there are those people who say, no, we are in fashion, in general now we by themselves. we ourselves are such cool fellows that it is also wrong that they have a lot that can be adopted by adapting for us, see now there has been such a trend. you all remember we are there

plus or minus we all remember, the end of the nineties yes , the beginning of the two thousandth trend for sexuality feminine silhouettes are things that you also once find in your wardrobe, old ones. they seem to be two sizes too small. and now the fashion for oversize oversize is convenience. this will be positive, does this mean that women began to dress for themselves, and not for men, that is, now they are trying less to emphasize sexuality. you know, it seems to me that just now, firstly, everything has returned some kind of corsets. you know, the other slip, that's what you said, it's not only we got fat on the subject of time. yes, well, in general, yes, you really already start to wear some kind of larger one, at least a t-shirt, and then you don’t understand how it sticks so-so under your armpit, but a little different. the main material is different. he has almost all the material now about the meeting. it is more comfortable breathable and the technology itself materials, if they are semi-synthetic there, uh,

they are very comfortable in a different way than the same clothes of the nineties for example. and listen, well, firstly, since the nineties it has already been e was canon there, then the universe came. uh, was there japanese, bakuba and conson? this is a completely different story. this is the story of how the belgians were too. yes? well, listen, it’s still a lot, so it’s not exactly something wild, directly niche, when it was called smart fashion yes, now it’s, well, it’s kind of different , we’re connected, but, firstly, it depends on fabrics. if only she was such a hoodie for me. some kind of translucent from some kind of veil, i don’t know the felt wool, it would fit differently and show the body sexuality, in general, this is not about over or slim here, uh, here i will hold you for sure, yes, we just have a man here who does not take part in our conversation. i think they would be unpacked about oversize. i want something to say on

the contrary, well, even posting. yes, if you take it, then, for example, the more over there is, the more feminine, for example, a woman looks in it. realistically, for example, a woman, look, don't go there, it's cool. skinny fat. it's all in the head of secrets. well, here we are already all this only tall and thin. and that's just high. or maybe it happens that it turns out that if trends dictate designers, let's say. i love auvers very much. this is of course, after all, they also suddenly realized for there, let's say during the pandemic, what about, but how convenient it is to walk, let's go. let's eat this trend and we'll just wear it all. i think that, most likely, of course, also a social manifestation. everyone was sitting at home. remember at some point, surely you know there was a surge, after everyone went out, everyone went in sweatpants. e in such at home . it's so convenient and everyone really understood that you can, like, not meet every day. you can spend there like on zoom , if you started to appreciate the time of communication, there

is something else. yes, and things, including, i think, then everyone got tired of this and feathers appeared . you understand, yes, how it works too, like at some point, for example, after the pandemic, for example, the color of the pontoon was the main one, it's golden with bright red in such a you know, uh in a brilliant amount and you know how it is , for example. uh, trend bureau. e, for example, described how the explosion of lava was like an avalanche. so people came out, like, you know, now the conclusion of the feeling was that everything is really super. bright super super shiny, yes, that is, it was really. a holiday like this, when you know everything, the same confinement came out over well , look how great it looks. take the same one there gigi hadis was, yes, and thin waists, low rises are super, overjeans are some huge dicks, and i think it's super. er, well, it's a reflection of all the social phenomena of federal political phenomena. yes world. well, as far as i remember,

here. uh, very cool to the whole world with promoted then still vetman, uh, vassal. she came out in this kind of down jacket. there is a down jacket somewhere in the back. well, its somehow a cut. there, of course, some kind of bra stuck out, what is it? she looked unbelievably hot in it, so look who we're dressing for and that's sexy. listen, well, i think that when people make a big mistake for me to say that i'm out of fashion, even if a person runs off into the darkest corner, and they really try to create there, perhaps it turns out just a personal personal unique style. we live, in general, space cannot but reach. but even if you come to the store and, for example, there will be jeans, there will still be up to 20 styles, but they will all be in trend. well, or to teach, yes, but still you will have to eat it further. here, let's say the nineties, then there was still a topic, especially in russia, that all women are conditionally speaking, there, at the age of 20 , in principle, it doesn’t matter. this is the enrichment of the rich. well, the task is to get married. she, at

least, shimmered. and when you're like, well, wait no, when you're from 20 to 25. you really feel the obligation to get married. well, preferably not quite for a stray and, well, a loafer. yes, i 'll surprise you, nothing has changed, so it's very hard to argue that everything has changed. so, in short, naturally, if you have a super-task, you try to achieve it as much as possible by everyone at once. ways. what are the uh trends that have emerged over the past year? well, over you yourself said over a long time ago. well, you know, he is more or less a neighbor. obviously very corsets were. don't don't don't mean you know right, that's all the same t-shirts and corsets. well , like, when it's just sewn under a corset, well, that is, a silhouette and pseudo. well, let's say so. yes, so to speak. yes, my personal pain is what is gone. uh,

low-waisted jeans are back. that's the low waist that i've always loved, just bare animals, between you like that, just like it was right at zero. yeah i believe me. i went to college. i had low waisted jeans and underwear 20s and a short jacket. i walked here with a bare stomach at -20 as a child. everything was different when i was younger. nothing is returned in the form of a dictatorship. now they are back again. momo, i don’t know where they went, but conditionally. yes, there it is, that momo is happy about this break again. yes, people are already tired of chasing trends. and in general , many designers rely on basic wardrobe, so fashion as a phenomenon representing new trends every season. it’s already somehow a little outdated, doesn’t it seem to you that fashion, as a phenomenon, on the contrary, is even more relevant, because motov, in principle, is

such, but something, if we take the fash industry as a reflection of the social reality and a designer who analyzes like analysts, yes, fashion trends a year ahead, because a collection for buyers enters the fashion market for the first time, that is, yes, for experiments further for a month already with retail in another six months it is put up just on the market, then now designers are really working on a collection, and next summer there are already people for whom clothes are utilitarian, in principle, there is nothing wrong with this series, i don’t know, i bought jeans and made some kind of jersey to keep warm. some of them have people that we are not talking about fashion we have our own unique style. this is not necessarily some kind of bohemian creative profession you have. here, the girl tave was a superstar of the 2000s, but who generally lived in some such deaf e american village, and she picked up some kind of junk in the local second-hand store, and it was so stylized that after literally 2 years she was already invited to shows. anna vintr, yes, the editor-in-chief of the american

volga, that is, there is such power, such power, and people are in the middle. that is , in general, in my youth, i can’t beat these vice versa and rave and create their own. and there are people who want to look somehow strong in terms of such and such a time. yes , they have some time for such and such a season. well look they are willing to pay. they have a certainty to determine the attention, there the shops somehow force themselves to do something. there read stylists that combines some color. well, at the same time, they do not have such an obsession and they need fashion, because it is personally understandable, it is easier for them to navigate specific trends. and here's the fashion it won't ever go away this notion, because uh is the same i bet. well, of course, i would now think that there are a lot of such a number of people and they need fashion. well, wait, but now everyone is quite conscious of the wardrobe. if you need fashion, you have to update your wardrobe twice a year, because it’s wrong for me tanya

because if you relate, for example, to fashion, again, i will always bring it to some conscious level, where a professional designer. i'm not saying now, for example, those designers also want to be part of the industry, yes, who just starting it's all part of our beautiful fashion industry, beautiful creative, yes, teams, but if you take the industry, it should still be, as the artists know. and the same matisse semolina wang has everything. it was a classical education. before you indulge in all the bad things. you have to learn the basics of a basic wardrobe. why because, so that it doesn't work out just like this, like green blouses with white trousers. it's fashionable, let's do everything together, because if a designer works according to archetypes, and this is taught only in universities. yes, design, precisely, because i, as an artist by education of a classical one, ended up planing an artist, a designer is absolutely two different things, respectively, if we take it as an industry, why am i for the classics

and i will always give birth for this, because only then fashion will develop like in paris, because there any respected designer will never start, without having argued with something without practice, she explained in krasnodar. look, the green blouse is not done that way, that it is fashionable and did not come. i was talking okay consumers about people. and we are talking about the image about the one that the designer makes up, you understand that here is fashion through consumers, it’s all the same , it’s fashionable fashion that said that the designer just makes the brand. we are talking now about the trendy one, and only the design, the designer, the designer, or the brand that displays these brands, makes the trends, and the consumer has already arina said that it is easier for the consumer to navigate the trends, because he does not need to think what to combine with what . how make up your wardrobe, because every season the stylists explain what goes with what. what colors ponton declared

relevant and very simple this season, that is , there is a roadmap for how we dress this season, so arina is just just that's what i'm talking about it is not so? everything is simple from the point of view of the industry, you say, arina speaks to people, as if fashion goes out of fashion not for designers within the consumer industry. what, like? well, don't know that you cutie will always remain in fashion, because to follow manual. look, you are kind of cute, if you are cute, look, it turns out sveta says that designers follow trends, which they very clearly schematically indicate every season, having an academic education. look, look, i just thought i’d finish it now, so that i would just go through it all there, i tried very briefly, because there is real, well, there is a friend’s depth, the assortment matrix has archetypes in the brand, for example, it’s all much deeper, that is , not just where designers take clearly and

adapt the green color there. if you show, for example, a presentation where there are a million different combinations and, for example, a palette of twenty colors, anton yes, but there can be a lot of combinations, and, for example, you make monochrome. i'm not talking about monk chrome at all. i always love intricate intricate details and so on. why are you out of this? from these trends, you will choose something useful for yourself and make, for example, the colors of pontoon monochrome and the person your target audience will scan your position, you understand that those who like it will follow you, and i will scan my trends, yes and i will do, for example, according to my assortment matrix , according to my archetypes, i will dress my women differently, therefore it is fashionable, if we take the global world industry as e, this is a concept that lives, e, according to certain laws, but with a modern address, of course. absolutely fashion is so multifaceted, like a 3d puzzle. understand? that is, she immediately formulate another facet to cross now. here we

are talking about fashion. what does he do? this is the phrase when they say about a person that she is stylish or he is stylish. and what does it mean? it's the same in first of all, it's not about fashion trends. no, of course, it’s human to do it, it’s just that they directly respire against me, because it’s really a personal type of person who really has charisma, you know, a clogged phrase of his charisma independent of clothes. no, look, there is no no, why if a man of this fashion? this is generally a reflection of the inner world of a person, in my opinion a person wants to say something, and he dresses the way he feels, and in my opinion. the client is the one who knows himself very well, yes, it is necessary to develop, for example, the fashion industry, not even with a global understanding. it seems to me that i don’t know myself for every person in the first place in order to better understand what is going on on victory day on the first, so the cards are the documents of the officers of the units promoted near sevastopol

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vintage, which can be bought in some specialty stores, and they are very coolly tailored there in good quality fabrics, despite the fact that these things are already 50 to 60 years old. our time will leave vintage things. for example, i can’t imagine what kind of things. for example, 2022. tanya darling will be alive in 50 years thanks for this question. and, in fact, this is what i drown for. you won't find it in any product. uh, overlock or some kind of open seam. yes, that is , professionals will understand me, that is, for example, an american woman has such a seam. yes, the most expensive, or linen, when closed, then there are all my seams, they are closed, why because i just want to create this story that would be a woman. i love the inlay, even oblique wallpaper, to whom that is, you understand, right? when and yet someone introduces a contrast, for example , yes, when you have one product, and there is only one main fabric on top, and you cover with an oblique trim, for example, a colored piece of material that, as it were, covers on both sides that it is not in designers the translator spoke in their own language. i don't know how to continue this

word more than once. well, more than once leafy, in short, so that the seam is neat and, uh, you don’t have a lining now, of course, i mean, a lining is the quality of a lining. it is always very important here not to have shaved legs. and 10 here is this horseradish, but here it is not contrasting, here. yes, but this is the product that closes on top beautifully. and now, actually just in my opinion, this creates history. yes, that is just when a designer who has an understanding of how to create a collection talk about it, an academic education when he wants to. tell me, are you a designer? here you founded when i’m with my collection, but i’ll probably just tell you a little about the fact that i remember you first of all, as a fashionable girl, then as a baira, and then suddenly i saw you. what are you doing i saw on some beautiful dress. it turned out that this is your collection. you suddenly launched your own line and started making your own collections. but

tell me how difficult it was for you to find a team, because i know that there is really a problem with these good ones. e cutters. this is such a bolka of each brand. i think the team is the most generally gold is gold. you really know this. the backbone that every brand cherishes. like zenitsova, because really it is gained by experience and work, and there is also personal compatibility. that is, to the tailor - this is generally the world of fashion - this is some kind of separate. i don't know you have a separate planet, you have a legal education. yes, education, and my first legal education was completed by our buyan sadovy kudrinskaya nearby. you have always been fashionable, this is faster. yes, but you understand profile education. you do not was. look, i'm hereditary, how to say a tailor, because i grew up, you can imagine, i'm very lucky. i grew up , my grandmother was the director of a garment factory , and my grandmother just taught me from her , everything came to me, because these are the classic phrases know how to rip apart. yes, this is such

a philosophy of life. she's already gone to start sounding hard to me. and this is actually, this is a very cool topic, because, well, it will support me. yes, this thought that believe me when you had a seam. and for example, it turned out and rip apart. it's the most disgusting thing hates my cat u world carrier than before time. grandmother was ripped right away by these rippers, or the same figure was. but no, the legs were the same figurine, which twitches, but we had a singer foot machine, that if you suddenly make a mistake and back, uh, this machine will work for you, then just the overlock loops around you and you will have just an ugly stitch. in short, you know how to use a singer machine - this is this old one. she know this love know ass. i also had a singer machine in the family. that's it, i knew how to sew. yes, further, of course, when i said, we lived near the stroganovka, i graduated from art school. i’ve always said since such years, girls somehow want to be, i said a fashion designer

, but my mother graduated from skin oil sponges , a chemical father, too, a pragmatic grandfather, a grandmother , a director of a garment factory, and actually at that time it was a starvation artist fashion designer, who is this? here is an economist lawyer, yes. you started your design career much later. look i'm in industry from a completely different block. that is , ah. i graduated from the law academy , put my diploma on the table and like all girls. here the post-soviet time dreamed of being models went secretly, just in the house. zaitseva was a rating. yes, there was a casting. e on litman bow such a famous competition was world-wide. i remember my mtv crew and i traveled all over the country and chose model girls, yes, who you walked next to came for me. it was a tragedy, you know, because i had to come and say something to my grandmother's mom and dad with my grandfather that i won, and the casting and tomorrow live broadcast of the concert hall of russia

leotard. i had to somehow say, and at that time it's just the daughter of a prostitute. that is, you understand that the time of the model was a disaster, that is, they looked here. i had to somehow tell my mother that everything is not as she discovered. tv today. i am not surprised at the pictures, the girl shouted that i fought for it, i gave it to me to open it. that is, i was sitting. so, on the chair of shame in the center of the family, i understood that everything i should just endure to remain silent now. yes but in the end, yes, i still achieved it with you. thank god i had this spirit of adventurism in me. this is the only way to achieve something, so i decided to found my own brand, this is a question, because it’s very interesting, but the garment factory that your grandmother headed, she quickly listen, she left at 8 years old. she said that this is also a working women's women's line. all worked. she has been gone for 80 years. and after that, i don’t know, because naturally, we stopped coming to her, i stopped, what

happened next, i can’t say. here and further i already worked as a model in paris in milan, in general, how would the mother agency work, and in milan i lived in milan . i worked and traveled in elite. between switzerland and france, and then it turned out that i came to moscow and won high fashion in moscow, which was held. they even gave me a gift so that she could have her here. and after that i left, just to work as a kavala. roberto covali has begun my new era in my life. he chooses me as the model on which he sewed the entire collection of 2000. i lived in it in the house directly to work. yes i'm right i lived with them in florence because i saw this whole industry from the inside and the whole process of sending me examples of fittings of these constants and this, of course, it simply inspired me impossible. here, but then there was a process. uh, i also worked, the managing director was the nickname of russia beyond the buyers. that

is, everything has been developing with the fashion industry for a long time. and when the puzzle had already grown together to the spare tire of its brand, it was ready in many businesses. by the way, i recommend this. you've been through all the professions, haven't you? yes, until i realized that i did not one thing is enough to create collections, because to create collections. in terms of design, as a designer, because from bayer's side i was like buying to do. i knew how to open stores, how to hire them, but when i got into the inner part of the industry, it was scanning the purchase of fabric, that was the tailor designer technologist. in general , i realized that i did not know this and there were a lot of mistakes. actually. why did i go to study? by the way, many thanks to the government of moscow a. where did you go to study, but in a pandemic just they made a big one, and someone was sitting there, i don’t know, on a felling. here i watched series, i studied. i listened to a bunch of programs of all sorts of podcasts, is it like online or who? yes, it is not a university. it's the same theory. this, that

is, you passed the theory. but it is precisely the practice that you have; we do not have it. why was he chosen from us, that is, some designers taught applications and then it was just already a designer. yes i was there was a brand. and here, but i realized that it was after i studied there that we were black sanya huge hello thank you very much for everything and a super professional who teaches just in the british and i get to her. here's how they pumped us into training. there, of course, we pumped in full. if the zones are in armor, that is, it's easier than ever to give money, for example, yes, why? i am actually for the educational base, but because a person who does not understand how to spend them, it seems to him that this is what is on the fabric, but in fact, these internal cycles and processes are super important there, despite the crisis in the industry. here is arina for example, i went to study sewing. yes, that's what it's called. you only have a crisis of what industry, and in the industry, well, not only in fashion yes, but in fashion, that's what the world is now showing, again you, if

there are more colors in the fashion industry, right? crises in the fashion industry . well, sales growth in sales yes, growth, well, in general, the development of sales, because conditionally import substitution began to appear more information, there and about cosmetics and about rags and, accordingly, people also began to turn to these brands more. that is, it turns out that with the departure of foreign brands. you saw new opportunities for yourself. not only i, i saw them. before that, conditionally. yes, because i have been sitting on russian brands for a long time, i love them very much. by the way, i'm curious to know. you are now studying arena, just for all these design fashion processes, design fashion processes are called sewing courses, and they tell you about the organization of a business process, and courses are course designers, cutting, yes, uh, as if these courses are only cutting, that is, modeling. yes modeling clothes, yes and

sewing clothes. now, uh, it's not a technique. uh, there's a one-year program of some kind. i don't know what their range is. well, listen, to be honest, this is still an absolutely soviet structure, therefore, i think that they teach tailoring there, mom, it’s terrible, in short, yes, but, by the way, what profession is today? yes , what profession do you need to get if you are a sea where, if you want to do launch your own brand? is it necessary to know do you really draw to cut or is it better to go? i don’t know what it’s called now, you can’t put it all together, because look, if you want to launch a brand, then you can have it, you can just, for example, recruit a team. well, it’s important for us to take a designer, which, by the way, many people are doing now in russian fashion . absolutely, and, for example, they take super talented designers, and who, for example, could open their own brand, but they work for