[000:00:00;00] uh, someone tells her that they saw the daughter of the bashkirs, a wonderful beauty, and she summarizes nothing and these people have not seen in their lives, or here she writes uh at 16 years old, if i am as good with myself as i say from what they don’t like me, they look at me , they fall in love, but they don’t love me, who needs love so much. well, that is, uh, and her assessments, uh, of her own literary writings. she also, uh, often criticizes herself. e, they say that the description of some primitive e everyday things. i've been spending such pompous highs words. they are proportionate. why does she have such an uneven attitude towards herself, then criticism, then love about how she is e yes emotional swings, because sometimes she says yes. do you think that i, uh, spied on someone? no, is it my

own thought or is there she revels in some of her prettiness there. and sometimes she says, oh, i can't describe it. it ’s better for you for such details to zulya or there to balzac, yes, go, uh, or there, uh, it’s impossible to describe in order to feel it you have to be me, that is, she signs her failure. as a writer , too, but on the other hand there is a wonderful moment. e in the final, which i really like, and she reads the essay in thick. uh in uh dimont and says that her soul rejoices and at the same time, she scolds herself for being a foreigner she lives in france and uh, doesn't go to russia but why doesn't she do that? yes, why, because she can study only in paris she is kept by painting, and she writes. i work in the same way for the glory of my motherland if i eventually develop such a talent for some kind of tolstoy. this is a rather high

assessment of myself, i understand, yes, all, of course, these narcissistic swings, but on the other hand, she writes. i'm not brilliant but i want them to think i am. but this is already a pure autofish. in fact. we can open each page and find two important quotes and they will all be right. this podcast is a must-read with you aglaya na batnikova, director, writer, host of the podcast, we are discussing the diary of maria bashkirtseva, uh, with olga breinnger, literary anthropologist, writer, translator and vladislav gorodetsky writer, author of the book inversion, my lord and architect. i believe that in every person there are certain products of contradiction, and the fact that we note this in the diary of the bashkirs suggests that she is really honest, but she treated her work and this task. olya you studied at

marina abramovic uh, you are a digital artist. if possible, say so. yes, if i may say so. uh. please tell me if there are any signs of bashkirs in the diary a conceptual project, when a person treats his life as a material and becomes himself. for objects of their art, does this old diary have such signs? i think so, and i think that from the moment she returned to her diary at 15, hmm wrote a foreword, writing in the foreword that she didn't like to write a foreword and uh, began to edit it. i think she did. this is to intentionally create a certain image of yourself. and this is the first second. still. she was quite versatile in her interests, er, and in their creative endeavors.

and i think she still has it. eh , of course, this is not marina bravovich, but she did not have the opportunity to rise to such power and comprehend her own work, but women could not get an education at the end of the 19th century. that is, we see a thirst for knowledge. she reads a lot. she knows languages, she reads some classical texts in the original, but nevertheless we understand that she is deprived of a systematic education and this is felt even though she reads a lot. eh, well its possibilities and tools of reflection are quite limited, because after all, this is what education gives us, and it follows a naive path, but an intuitive intuitive path, but nonetheless. it seems to me that some kind of vague idea of ​​what the main object of art is. it's not even her diary.

these are not her paintings, but she herself, he can be traced, and she is gradually moving towards this is another matter, which is the saddest thing after all, we can never understand the story until we read it to the end, peter generally has brooks, the famous book people in the photo, and he says that we read, but narra. out of order, we honor him from the beginning to the end, and in the case of the bashkir e, yes, from the end of the beginning. yes, i, in the case of the bashkirs, we lose that very point of reference, where we can truly appreciate history. you, we understand the school of the beginning is not exactly the finale. we understand that this story is interrupted and that is all that it could become . it probably could become many, it could grow significantly in artistic power and depth. and this did not happen. by the way, here it is. i think that could happen too. maybe it's this

broken life. uh, formerly a tragic death, maybe that's part of the image and part of her charm. is not it, there is romanticism in it. but er, it seems to me that here are the years of such work, which is described in the last part of the diary, they would give them. just more than a romantic aura of an early death. and how do you guys feel about such a turn of events that she abandoned love and relationships. i want to quote on this . one moment i really liked. i this topic falls. yes, damn it, this is exactly it, she just entered, uh, to study, yes, to the art school to julian. ah, to say separately that this is julian's studio. it was the only place where women women could study, and therefore she did not leave paris

, although she did not like paris. well, one day they came across an ugly person. they solved it. uh this moment. i thought that how you feel should always be very beautiful. he was still paid some pennies anyway. so he doesn't care. c i. here they go to monastery. we enter the monastery and bring with us so much playfulness and fun that solemn peace is revealed. we go to the waiting room, er, pensioners, and i make sister teresa dance. she wants to recruit me and praise the convent for me. and i also want to recruit her and i praise the world to her, and the nuns tell them how cool it is to live in monasteries, and maria tells them that the world is beautiful, but the recruitment took place only not along the line of religion, but along the line of renunciation of the world. and a bashkir person naturally turns into a nun when she embarks

on the path of art. she naturally refuses from uh, love from uh, the joy of life from the brilliance from theaters from what she loves and what has surrounded her all her life. she even eventually stops writing. i don't care how i look anymore. yes, she becomes. here on this path. no, this is pure monasticism and she dies a virgin, so ideological recruitment, when a person is offered an idea through which it seems to him, he can, well, or get closer to some to the desired state or to open up in this case, yes, she is very, and as if they successfully offer this idea, which becomes the vector of teleology of its further movement. i do not agree with the fact that it was the nun who recruited, of course, and it seemed to me that it was his voluntary saying that the rhyme happened. she was the punk of her

time. it seems to me that she refuses this path precisely because it is too predictable, obvious, too simple, that is, this is a choice in the direction of something complex. i think you're oversimplifying that it comes from expectations. no, she goes her own way, not looking back at any expectations. well, that is, without seeking them. to violate without seeking to obey them. she just has a different path. i have the third version. although she lists quite a lot of loves. i always had the feeling that this is falling in love, you know, like medieval kurtaz poetry, when there is a beautiful lady , when she needs to be loved and written, but at the same time a knight who writes poetry, he doesn’t even know and has never seen this beautiful lady, then there is a gist of it, and the gist of it is just to to love, but to be in this state and

be updated emotionally. yes, and it seems to me that for a long time for the bashkirtseva, and love was not interesting, it was seriously important to her. well, yes, to be fueled by catching inspiration, but it seems to me that if she thought about the family seriously, this would prevent her from working. this disturbed her. uh, devoting oneself to painting, and that's why all the crushes are platonic, because it's very convenient for the artist, but on the other hand. ah. this is hmm the last months of her life. she's right here for me i think i believe. she was a little sorry that it so happened that it was very stupid of me not to do it, the only thing worth it, the only things that give happiness, make you forget all the sorrows of love, yes, with love, two loving beings seem to each other absolutely

perfect physical and moral attitude. especially in the moral. well, you can immediately see that a person has practice. no really , and i think it's beautiful and it's very expensive actually, but she actually had a real love story, which ended badly and having already passed it, she went into denial. let's just say because she collided. uh, metro tunnel, yes, this is the cardinal's nephew, a young man who courted for a very long time confessed his love, but uh, for that he called to marry this kiss with him. she is jelly. yes, the kiss was with him, the kiss was a violation of, let's say, the secular rules of the aristocratic, that is, the bashkirs self-assessed this as a moral fall , she was terribly tormented by this kiss, that he allowed the person to kiss him, but because it broke her reputation, as it seemed to her, because

that the wedding never happened, but it did not happen, because the cardinal was against this marriage, and, er, the young man, depended on his parents. he said, i can’t go there, i can’t do it, i can’t do it, because my parents didn’t tell me and it turned out that he was such a dependent person. and, of course, backed off it was disappointing and the fact that he ended up giving up on it. bye. well, she really refused too in the sense that she did not want to accept catholicism. she wanted to remain orthodox. but at least i assessed the situation in this way, if she had accepted catholicism, probably this marriage would have been more real, but she was disappointed in this man by this, which is why there is such an emphasis on morality in this quote. it seems to me that she understood the essence of what was happening from the very beginning. namely, that he simply expects guarantees from her. he tries in every possible way to get from her what she says, yes, to do. e, decide on a feat, for my sake. everything will be

open from my side. and she does not give this guarantee, because she knows that she will be constrained by her, that if something happens, then she they will remember all this and blame him for everything well. and we can talk about the bashkirs, how to describe or and how are the pioneers of a woman who declared some kind? eh, well, let's just say the prosaic beginning is already feminine in literature. or we uh can't uh call her a serious writer. i think we can call her a pioneer pioneer. that's already enough . but on this. probably we will modestly put an end to it, because if you go into details and analyze this text from a literary point of view. well, we might not have anything left, really, but give it to her. due as literature. you mean, well, lysia and gitsburg have it, only the term is

intermediate literature, and it is very successful, because it is an invaluable member. but this is all that is not the main one. actually, there are artistic works and diaries. memoirs, they are just the same, uh, refer to this intermediate literature. i think it's bashkirian. well, i started my diary. eh, well, how such a peculiar project and she herself says about it, that if i die without becoming famous as an artist. uh, at least you will be interested in this uh, literary document, right? uh, yes, that is, uh, originally she had. eh, very clear premise. ah, understandable intention. she wants to step over. e death. she wants to last into the future even after her death. yes, choose art, how exactly to choose the path to become permanent, to be afraid of oblivion, but, because hmm, it turns out that she was afraid in vain

between 150 years, yes, a and including, because she didn’t believe, a the immortality of the soul she has something, and she believed in god very much, despite e. her constant appeal. here's to he serves god with her like a magic wand, or just such a saying, but deep religiosity, there, of course not, at the same time, one can say that she is mystically gifted, because she anticipates her death. and uh, somehow describes her original path, how short she writes from the very beginning. i will die, early and so on. maybe so yes, or maybe e that everyone at this age? uh, feel uh sprouts, all teenagers. maybe they'll die soon? yes, but this is often the story. average life expectancy at that time was much lower than it is now, so it's too early to die. well, perhaps, for that time, 25 is actually not even

early. it seems to me that if she was a true religious, then, and she would not have such an obsession with glory because vanity, and from religiosity, humility is not very compatible. this is the way she generally said that serving art and serving god is probably not the same thing. of course not. me too, by the way. do you think it's the same thing i think it is? well, forms, uh, that can even be in childhood yes, forms, and we can say that the bashkirs come to the emancipation of their feminine nameism, olga will say something about this. do you understand this? she tried to write a little, and feminists ridiculed her. for this again , here. that part of the life that she spent, let's say. e in the conventions of a patriarchal society, probably not. but when she

breaks radically with completely, what with the scenario of a secular beauty. yes, that's the perfect wording. here we can already talk about something serious. yes, she paved the way for women who followed in her footsteps, well, on the one hand, for example, a liza dyakonova who probably really was one of the first real feminists in russia and to the bashkirs, m-m. she had a low opinion of the competitor. well, after it , they were too far apart in time to be competitors. lisa was no longer the first. yes, there is also elena gan uh, we are in the thirties, well, the peak of her literary career, she died in 1842. and here she is, by the way, and despite the fact that she was, m-m, a completely inconspicuous figure, eh, but at the same time quite popular to read or

she, but published in the library for reading yakovsky, she spoke. uh, some hmm questions that can be called meniscus. why is a woman not getting access to education? why are we hmm so limited compared to a man in what we can do, that is, in the case of elena gan , it was some kind of conscious uh statement, probably an example for example. yes, she showed by example, that such a path is possible and it is worthy of respect, and it is possible, really cool. but in general, so, if you want to convince people of something they need or about it. know and convince or show, so you prove your life by your work. at the very least, she represents the problem in fact in her painting. she has, uh, female figures that are either

turned with their backs there, in the picture there is a meeting there, uh, boys gather in the foreground, and talk, and behind in the distance the silhouette of a woman is turned away, not a woman, a little girl who turned away. and it's, of course, uh, saying about that place about a woman's place. they are a woman's fair place in current events. yes. e, however. i i think the bashkirs managed to immortalize their name in one way or another. yes, we know her, we are talking about her and she continues to inspire people, as the first one goes on and it’s great that if she didn’t introduce the life of a russian aristocrat in europe, she actually lived in russia, then perhaps we could. in connection with feminism, how something more confident, because well, there were bestuzhev courses, that is, women's issues were growing, and it seems to me that she would have received there. uh, the environment in order to develop anyway think in this

direction. it was a must- read podcast with you aglaya na batnikova, director , writer, host of the podcast, olga breingi was my guest. writing literary anthropologist. translator and vladislav gorodetsky writer architect. we discussed maria bashkirtseva and her diary. hello friends. this is a podcast of jokes, as always. i'm vadim galygin and i have wonderful guests in the studio. today, my colleagues in the workshop are in different roles. you could meet them somewhere in the open spaces of different screens. i am pleased to present alexander schneider. and zhenya from kandarov. you can applaud quietly so that no one is disturbed. yes, and today the topic

of our program - this is an anecdote of the twenty -first century, let's call it that, and any new forms of a short humorous genre, which we call an anecdote, how an anecdote lives. now in what forms, in what forms , how is he in general. eh, in fact, has it changed and has it changed at all, and is it possible to call what we see today? actually a joke? let's start. sasha want to ask you. here's what's funniest for you. old classic forms of jokes there how? well, everything is there. the legacy of this post-soviet space there. or is it still faster fleeting. eh, somehow more incendiary, everything somehow happens now. and vadim listen, well, it seems to me that here are anecdotes thanks to you. here they are still afloat. it's great that you support this genre and generally thanks to what they did there, uh and

trachtenberg and there, i mean, well, we just tried to keep this genre, because i think it's very important. well can't uh the thing that cheered the people peoples used to yes years of the decade. suddenly just disappear somewhere. yes, because someone, for example, does not know how to talk. maybe we even have a task learn to break. what stereotypes? well, i generally small anecdotes. to be honest, if you will, uh, downright honest. i know very few jokes. i know, only jokes from you that i've been listening to. that is, you grew up to a greater extent, when all these memes, yes, we will tell the audience, there are memes, there are jokes of the war of the war. there are some abuses. well, there are a lot of new things. here let's say everything now so that we can fly to school now offended. meme stories. some funny ones. you see, they usually have all those words. they are still strange, yes, that is, well, if you briefly tell,

let's say the vines are short funny videos, yes, and i don't know war. they are now together with jokes. they should be here, because they no longer exist, as far as i understand, in general, the war is also no vines, but they blinked. three types, listen, i even saw that some jokes, and they are remade by the vines. like this i saw it exactly, in fact. now here's the shape like all the looking is gone. now people communicate less in person, but agree. and here is what i wrote to him. he called me, that is, everyone has a box. so she kidnapped everyone, yes, that is, if earlier this communication was there to tell jokes. now it's sent a picture, and like he told a joke, everyone sends it to each other. this nonsense is there in a circle there, you know already there a couple of years ago. she got away from you. look how funny. and you have to do it again it looks like it’s funny to you, that is, in fact, if you imagine that if it were

many years ago, then this situation, when you went out into the yard, and you just yes, wait. and here's another anecdote. i'll tell you, that's exactly what happened. well, let's figure it out. let's show an example. yes, sasha, that is, we can demonstrate what hmm is called today. in general, this is a joke. here it is, and now friends we will show you, such as joke is a meme, yes, classic classic are relevant, by the way, my feed is the latest couple of weeks. by the way, we see here. uh, this is an avatar with cheburash ears, by the way, on this occasion, our cheburashka is there e lure, yes, he collected uh, at the box office a lot of money was the same similar. the meme was drawn by two of these avatars and one of the second is asked. listen, who is cheburashka yes, well, there is a little, uh, there was a mother there, that is, it was contained in the question. listening to vadim, you just started like an anecdote and ended like an anecdote. and who are you

answering me? i don’t know why avatar i don’t know, yes, as for me, i’ll honestly tell jokes about me funnier than memes, but no more there can be more souls to put into telling jokes. that is, you serve, you speak on behalf of different characters there. i think it's more like some kind of scene than just. picture it's simple, well, you need to find a funny picture and somehow merrily catch people and isn't it some kind of completely trivial way to just smile. aren't we getting dumber, that is, uh, when it's like this, it just looks a lot easier than coming and saying no, if you want to come and tell, then go to standup and tell, well, only your own anecdotes. here are these, well, it’s clear here, do we think we’re dumber, dumber , so here everything at once is so aha, that’s it, is it cool is it really cool? the fact

is that right now we do not have enough time for anything, because we seem to be starting to work somehow more. everyone has their own business. you still something 10 works. and we want to quickly neighing very quickly joke and life has become faster, in general, everything, yes, and there is still cyclicity. some once we watched humorous programs where there were whole monologues long right? yes , then kvn began where you could turn it on and see the scene for about five minutes, well, we set it or something else is clear. yes, that is, we have gone further. uh, these are the vines that last a minute. uh-huh, then we are not like that. this, too , is also a long melody growing per unit of time. it’s good that there are 15 second ones that you watch here, yes, you watch my videos for 15 seconds. and now you think i can't. i want to take a quick look. and if it's funny

well, move on and that's it. here are the pictures now. i think the next one will be yes, but just the word will be just ridiculous. you just know, it's a classic. this is when progress comes to that. what do you quickly like this in the brain. so that's all through satellite something like that quickly some kind of joke and the whole world together at the same time. that's how it struck and that's it. went on to work. just not enough time or a second. yes, but look, in any case, hmm we are now talking about how to arrange humor, yes, let's say in some picture. you can sew up one message, that is, and it must be understood when you visually perceive, yes , when something else is superimposed, some kind of audio is there, as it appeared, and at one time some people do funny things

to music. in general, i didn’t understand at all initially, that is, everything is still there, moreover, they pass it on to each other. yes, how is it just such a stupid relay race like that? yes challenge well, and he is so stupid triviality. oh, you know, these people bent over, and in other clothes appeared and everything is awesome, that is, like, that's cool. well, i didn't count. what , is it cool honestly or is there in what kind of grass a grasshopper was sitting sitting throwing a banana and everything is there millions of views, because the grasshopper liked the banana, how does he throw it? how i want to ask you. really before putting on this amazing jacket? you didn't bend over and take it off. that is, i missed this friends. listen, yes, really. my cant will have to be redone by me. actually, it forgave people. i just want something new every time. and every time they see something new they admire first, when everyone was fed up. well, yes,

then it will get tired of these interruptions and everyone will discuss it the way we do well. but you worked a lot in the standard classical genre, yes, that is. tell me, this can be considered a form of anecdote. i think not. in general, i believe that the joke is a separate form that does not die and did not die like that. thank you for support. for example, i brought a magazine. so he literally this magazine came out. look what magazine she brought. this is a children's magazine crocodile please. new jokes how many 12 pieces? this is for children , uh, of today, that is, well, of our time, that is , or is it you, where was the magazine in general, and what made you smile there, or what? everything is funny here. here, for example, the blonde

is indignant. well, what kind of mouse is it, it even has a tail. i think it's a hamster, what do they answer her? okay, make a right click hamster. gorgeous is understandable. i don't know, i think it should be like this anyway. you have now read the classics. that is an example, that is. well, actually, it's still a joke. this is actually when it's still in print. there? yes, well, i bought, uh, jokes that came out in trains. they just sold here, well, close to the paper there, but some kind of a4 and on the one hand and on the other an anecdote. and sometimes somewhere there, separated by asterisks, and these were sold just like that, well, people printed it out and sometime you don’t listen to a joke. and when you read it, you kind of tell it to yourself. as you understand, like you think, how can you do it, someone with them, for example, a vine or someone will make

a picture, and you look at it like that. well, i read the book better. here's an anecdote that, but there are jokes that you can only hear in hysterics, that is, well, sound, for example, in a joke , a patient comes to the doctor and the doctor says i have a problem. i fart after every word. what should i do? doctor says don't worry. i also had such a problem. after each puppet, i put a whistle on myself and now i communicate calmly. let me try on hold on, thief give me my whistle. i can’t imagine how it can be turned into some kind of meme there, yes, and i can’t imagine how it can be, well, printed.

let's say you bought a newspaper or this magazine of yours, right? and so, how are you there, well, yes, yes, and you would be funny, fart whistle fart. and you know, i would be very funny, because i would imagine how you tell all the jokes that i read, i imagine as if they were once. i'm still in support of old -time jokes, that is, classic ones. yes, sometimes the whole world is drawn there, or just some kind of situation when you just imagine it like a movie. uh, i have a huge desire, in general sometime shoot jokes. here in good quality with good actors there. and that's it, so that it was like mini-movies. here are such. well, in fact, yes, like, but these are such short children's stories , but it's the classic jokes that you know there, i don't mean petty vasily, that is, if it's about cowboys, then right here is a real

picture after all a story, for example, an anecdote, an old one from the nineties, so, uh, i'll tell you. and you will understand what i mean, that is, to express it in a meme there, for example, or describe in some way. that is, this anecdote will have to be painted. it will be so huge, you know, there on one sheet. there, as it were , the bandits are going to the magazine, so, uh, somewhere on the arrow, all the serious, such terrible people are on the trunks and suddenly at the post. uh, the traffic police officer runs out and stops them, they cheat and once and the elder calmly behave calmly once they stopped, because well, it lowers there on this bmw such a black, you know, extortionist war machine, what happened commander. he says, that's while the penguin is standing says, that's i don't know what happened. like what. where do you need to go to the zoo? more than once, the elders looked at each other. come on, commander. well, they put him in the back, fastened this penguin on the back seat, everyone behaves so calmly,

the policeman, in general. so tnank you. there, like, all the best, and not just started. let's go, it means that the day is already late in the evening , the same bandits are driving in a car. again past this post. well, there is a policeman. he just sees the car is moving fast, stops, they tense up again, and once again he releases, what happened the commander says, and it's not you. i just see, the car is a little higher there and looks behind the penguin, sitting so fastened, says. and what are you guys in the zoo it? well, they didn’t take us, the commanders offended at the zoo, they were at the circus, they were now at the casino, we’re going here, how, how, such a joke. you can shove it into some kind of picture. well, i don't think so. well, i think the picture is unrealistic. yes, such large forms. yes, you won’t do it in any way , or you know there are other memes that beat, uh, into four parts, like 1 2, 3, 4 there still, of course, it would be possible

to shove it all, but it's been a long time to read and, accordingly, it's not interesting. we need it fast, but we'll try. we have it tonight, but better. it's true, you've seen these memes that are broken into several parts. yeah one two three four stuff, unlike uh definitely, but it's not like a comic book? it is clear when the whole story is in pictures. yes, it would be even cool, by the way, a good genre. like jokes are interesting, everything, guys, we came up with, yes, uh, but let's just say in one here, well, right here in the picture, what do you think that difficult is another matter, of course, when all sorts of fools are out there, uh, now they are trying to play a trick, they are filming there. eh, video. mostly. there 's a girl's boyfriend, like family ones, when they're some kind of joke there . yes, these are all such tarot yes, yes, you overact there, creepy and so