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where are you going? 10 kilometers away is a small airfield, i will fly a plane to istanbul from there. remember, controversial stew i don't want

to lose. by your calculations , how many prisoners passed through the camp while you were there? approximately

25-30 thousand do you remember any of them? you can name. all names are in the logs. you can check it, they recorded everyone who entered and visited. unfortunately, not a single magazine has been preserved. all the archives of your camp were destroyed by the nazis. of course i remember. i can name. 2.840 names

yes, the names and surnames of 2840 people. zara sofen bernard greenvale patricia golberg hey michel bruce jean marcel nyman pele jacques sieberbach hello my name is alexei varlamov i am a writer and rector of the gorky literary institute this is a podcast life of wonderful and today we will talk about a wonderful writer prose writer assistant professor of the department of literary excellence

of the literary institute. andrei valerievich gelasimov andrey valerievich is a famous writer and author of many romanov stories by e. tale thirst a steppe gods, a year of deception a and the topic of our today's conversation with andrei valerievich. this is literature about the great patriotic war echo of the great war , the generation of people who fought has practically passed away and all the books that could not be written have already been written. and the theme of the great war has not left our lives. what do you think, andrei valerievich why, well, you know alexei nikolayevich is a topic? it will be for a very long time, firstly, uh, because not much time has passed, and secondly, literature needs really large time layers to realize such large-scale events.

well, let's just remember that leo nikolayevich tolstoy wrote about the great war of 1812 more than half a century later, and he did not relate and did not participate in any way because of his age, but nevertheless it was very important for him, uh, to try to analyze. what happened to the people, first of all, and to their country, and at the time of the great threat, these dramatic times, of course. that's always interested in writers, it's always another matter that the view of a contemporary and accomplice of events. very different from attempted analysis later say half a century or even 70 years. and why do you think it happened? the question is often asked why war and peace is not written about the great patriotic war, and why about the war of the twelfth year there were not as many books written by participants in this war as written about the great patriotic war why is the situation exactly the opposite, but more is written, but just in due to the fact that culture has changed,

the cultural code has changed and there are more people writing literature in the 19th century. you know it very well, it was still a lot aristocratic circles in the 20th century. everything happened, uh, in a completely different mode , firstly, and the education system changed , more literate people appeared, and lightened by culture and writers, so i think the participants in the great patriotic war wrote more than the participants in the patriotic war. the twelfth year, and what are your favorite books? vasil bykov was very important for me and remains boris vasilyev. and the dawns here are quiet and not even thanks to a wonderful film. and in fact, the most powerful request of this story wonderful. at one time i read an article by such a karelian writer from petrozavodsk, in my opinion, his name was dmitry gusarov, also a writer and participant in the great patriotic war. and it was such a very harsh critical article against the story of boris vasilyev, the meaning, which

was that he invented everything , there was no such girls, anti-aircraft gunners, there were no there in karelia, it was impossible. the situation that i wrote and i must say that i willingly believe that it may not have happened. well, this does not beg the dignity of this story at all. she is everything equally beautiful, and here a very interesting topic arises, that there is such a truth about the war. eh, that's literally documentary and there is still the artist's right to fiction. actually. leo nikolayevich tolstoy, too, and they reproached and they said. that this was not so and napoleon was not like that kutuzov was not like that and the battle of borodino was not like that, but we perceive it this way through literature and boris vasilyev still don’t even compare war and peace and azuri is quiet here, but nevertheless it became such. here is the key book in our minds in our understanding of war, and i think it's a very, uh, important topic. in her.

after all, there is alexei nikolayevich in this story, the most important thing that is not a scientist is obviously this critic you are talking about, and in it there is a story about the act of people and actions that, in fact, are a feat when they sacrifice their lives, uh, are being some battles of local importance were reported. yes, vasiliev is playing. i think it is a very important contract that is afraid of local importance, but life is one. and these girls and the chief of the vasques do the unbelievable. well , yes, probably, the girls would not be able to resist, the girls of the anti-aircraft gunners, would not be able to resist. uh, carefully trained uh, saboteurs from the troops. ss probably not, yes to the paratroopers, but this one, yes, it looks implausible, but this counterpoint, that such things are done in incredible circumstances, and he works in this in this story and when the vaskovs, in the end, catching these survivors the nazis, he says, to them. there he calls the number i don't remember exactly. there

say seven girls. i had seven. but you didn’t pass, this is a manual replica , you must agree. that's for this. actually. i am sure that the whole thing was written for the sake of this remark, and it is extremely important, because , well, it is important, yes, the message is about a feat, and the feats of a personal e are a small person that does not mean there from the point of view of a big war. just an ordinary, and here in this case there are also women, which, it seems to me, gives colossal meanings, that is, a woman in the war - this is another story altogether. by the way, it’s very interesting that here, but they turned if you pay attention to the soviet military request of the 20th century, there is almost no pacifism, despite the fact that rather the western european literary tradition, when writing about the war, the theme of pacifism is very important. we really have a theme of heroism, and not because the communist party ordered so. and not because the censorship didn’t let something through there, some pacifist notes, pacifist themes were there by his okudzhavas of the same his leave his

wonderful books and wonderful authors, but still, it was the feat that became the main motive for such a pressing motive, and vasily bykov bondarev and konstantin vorobyov, whom i love very much and who was not very recognized by the regional soviet authorities, but still this is the theme of a feat. she really ended up in that central literature, you know, it's connected with consciousness. outgoing events with awareness on a personal level and the authors and heroes of these books, because if we, for example, take a look at remarque's book all quiet on the western front, then yes. we see one very important detail. there, one of the characters speaks in another. and i'm a meaningless soldier. i generally say nobody i'm just a slave and a rifle. and if you remember during the first world war. uh, this is the western front. it was a confrontation between germany and france for three years. they really were in the same place. frank did not move in either

direction, practically arose from here. it is natural to think that all this is absurd, that this is just a meat grinder that turns people over in one place. it is not clear for any purpose. that's what was important for mark sounded in our own war in the great patriotic war there is another the theme, absolutely arises arises, firstly, the theme of overcoming the enemy who has come to your land. behaving inhumanly there from humanistic points of view yes positions, firstly, in the first world war. the same remarque did not wage war with civilians. it has scenes where the german soldiers run away. just having fun with french girls there. yes, they have fun with a scarf, then it returns, and we can’t compare it. we can’t have such a thing, so that means the german soldiers had fun there, went with girls having fun with russians, that is, well, there will be a lot of questions , yes, russian girls, somehow i don’t think that german soldiers were very welcomed by a separate

case, maybe there are, but like this, to say, it’s like a typical no, but there was a clear understanding of the enemies, and therefore, after this , the races of the enemies, then, therefore, overcoming the enemy. enemy. must be expelled. he's terribly terribly dangerous. and i think this awareness distinguished, uh, russian soldiers from the soldiers of the first world war, therefore, notes of pacifism. uh, we simply couldn’t have an existing remarque be. okay, but this is still literature of the 20th century. and let's focus on what is happening in the twenty-first century right here from my point of view. eh, well, i would name several large interesting bright works and still i would start with a book by a writer who was in the war, and who managed to write this book. this is such a legendary, and the russian soviet writer is a patriarch, as soviet literature would say, and daniil granin danil granin whom we know very well from his novels dedicated there to the scientific and technological revolution

social topics historical topics. there are conversations from the evening with peter the great bison. yes , timothy or saudi, i’m going into a thunderstorm, of course, and somehow i didn’t even keep in my head that i actually fought on the brink and suddenly the very ends of my life. this man writes a novel, not even a novel hang a small one, but a war story called a prayer. i will honestly tell you andrey valeryevich when i was reading stupidity and caught myself thinking. why haven't you written about this before? danila alexandrovich yes, this is much more interesting than evenings. with peter the great. me this one the book struck me with its freshness. he wrote that he was over 90 years old. yes. e , with your own personal view, personal attitudes towards the war, then this is a very important topic, uh, oh, which was also written a lot in the cadda of leningrad, uh, the battle for leningrad. that's how it started? how this blockade was established, this is such a sincere first-person written, in my opinion, an absolutely wonderful young full of narrative energy. here, i

really think. what it is? well , the truth is a very striking phenomenon in russian literature, by the way, it is no coincidence that granin received the big book award. if we talk about the freshness, by the way, of this text, but it’s very curious. hmm. here is the initiation of the text, how it starts in general in a conversation about the war, when we watch films about the great patriotic war or read, and the book is one of the most important moments is a description of how the hero receives information about the beginning of the war, that is, here is the initiation and events. and here i was surprised by the scene, how the hero really receives this knowledge, and it is told in an erotic context. if you remember. yes, of course, he meets beautiful young girl. uh, sunday means a wonderful sunny day. they are moving off into the woods somewhere, which means, he says, that my intentions were far from restrained. that's why they

go further into the forest, and he and i understood why we were going there, and she understood that i understand, which means that's all. it takes place in such a structure in nature, and suddenly, it means that some voice steps remain. something is going on here, these frightened lieutenants are jumping up, and he doesn’t really pay attention to them, which means and he just, says you can't leave here faster, which means that some soldiers are running with them. they are already pulling some lines of communication. and this very strong junction gives rise to such a contrast, yes, a transition, when the hero has not yet understood. we said that we were riding back in the train, and we were laughing, and everyone was already talking about the war, and i still didn’t understand anything. this beautiful transition has been made. for me, in a very new way, i read a lot of books about the war here on the verge. he surprised me, really with the freshness of his eyes, how strange and absurdly great things happen to us that can no longer be changed. that's what he managed to create here, how to write or this, of course, for the patriarch of literature until the 90-year-old author, of course, this is a great

achievement. it's very, very cool. very humanly, very much so, she is personally written despite the fact that, as it were, she is on an epic scale. unfortunately it is not very big. so i'm saying why i'm sorry that he took her late. it's really there. well, let not war and peace, but some book in which here is the penetration of war and peace here these two different states, but the then. the swedish society could show, but because of what it is done, you have to tell him, thank you so much. and to our viewers, yes , this book, if anyone has not read it, be sure to recommend reading it on victory day on the first beautifully. here look what a girl. i will come here to you and take you to my place in

khabarovsk. the germans questioned the secrecy of our operation. 1941 wings over berlin big premiere may 9 at the first amateur right above us the commander he turns around to prepare for battle. we we continue the conversation with andrey gelasio with you alexey varlamov writer rector of the literary institute podcast. still wonderful life. by the way, if we talk that's it about leningrad, i would name a writer and a book that can be directly related to evasion, and its author eduard kochergin is wonderful, and the artist at the bolshoi drama theater, by the way, the book is called baptized with crosses. this is his personal , uh, history. autobiographical book. about his

childhood, about how his children were taken out of besieged leningrad and his childhood in children's houses. this military couple is described and what else struck me in this book. and by the way, in the performance that was staged in the bjd, this is how he describes the summer of the forty-fifth year, when our soldiers return, our officers, our soldiers return home. and how they are met. this is a huge trans-siberian road. at that time, he was somewhere in siberia, and on the contrary, he makes his way from the orphanage in the opposite direction and returns to his place in leningrad. and now he sees these people, how women come to these huge stations, junction stations, women come, wives come, and someone comes a whole husband, and someone comes husbands mutilated invalids. this is the bitter side of the war and this boy himself , who travels with these soldiers, and who draws a profile for them out of wire, he makes, and the profile of stalin, this is the atmosphere of time. it is really conveyed in this book. wonderful and great.

and it seems to me that this is also such an important facet of military prose. e transfer even that's not the military. exactly, seen through the eyes of a child, yes, through the eyes of a teenager, that he remembered the faces of the voice, the characters, these are living people who did. our victory, that's not monuments, not monuments, well, andrey platonov, by the way, is another very important name in russian military prose, because platonov's stories about the war - this is also such a very important page. in platonov's notebooks. there is, an amazing recording will dance and trample the memory of the war. it seems to me that literature intuitively feels that this is something that cannot be allowed to be done, but these are books. e participants in the war. and here's the question, why write or modern writers of our own generations and even younger ones why they, having no military experience, turn to the military topic. well, here, perhaps, one can name

several such key works that have appeared in recent years, but i would name maybe three books that made a great impression on me. this is a novel by sergey samsonov's falcon frontier, this is a story. uh, ilya was fighting. the tankman or the white tiger and the story of eduard verkin, and the cloud regiment, as far as i understand, when a sergei samsonov with his story got, uh, the prize debut and you were the chairman of the jury, then, well, tell us about your impressions about your decision and about this book. when i started reading, falcon frontier. that's when just now he headed the jury, uh, debut am. i was somewhat wary, because the military theme for me personally is not for me personally as a writer.

just like for a person on she is significant important for me, uh, and i am so wary, so, uh, i opened roman, but when it’s already hmm, let’s say you don’t immediately roll into it, because i must say, it’s not written quite simply, it’s difficult to write some kind of petersburg andrey bely. this is so difficult. toxic constructions need to get through them, but there is something for which it’s not easy, but everything fell into place when i realized that seryozha was writing a modern liad. that is, when i realized that we have this confrontation. rather, in his novel there is a confrontation between two aces. uh, this german pilot and the soviet stalinist sokol zvarygin. and this is a confrontation. i thought how the confrontation between hector and achilles in homer and then on fell into place, such mythologization, of course, yes, that is, the realism of this soviet military prose is replaced by