american mountains, i personally experienced very much. you saw you read the homeowner, when we went out on the ice, the whole hall whistled us. it was a tin of fear, there was never a podcast, paws all night with you, tell robert's parents divorced, when how many boys were they not divorced, in fact , father and mother went to the front, and father died right at the end of the war. and when my father turned he wandered all the time around the orphanages for all sorts, because his grandmother also died, who raised him. yes, yes, grandmother, and mother was a military doctor at the front. and therefore actually. he was under state supervision at the age of 14. he received a letter from his mother. that e

robochka, now you are not, uh, robert stanislavovich bidkevich. what was the name of his father robert ivan-charovich virginity and he has no one? as a matter of fact, i had to go cry with this, because the age is so nasty hormonal, when they don’t understand what to do with themselves. it’s not clear. hmm what to think about, and here yesterday you were one person. today you are a different person with the guys. especially you won’t talk, because they don’t have any parents, therefore what he became. e rozhdestvensky but no one was interested, the boy who was brought up by the state. yes , we are wounded animals, yes, and he has such an inner delicacy. i will find the letter where he writes to his mother. how can he address his father to a new husband, where there is no resentment. and there is none. well, i do not know the anger of the complaint. yes, just questions like in general, of course, this innate cannot

be acquired by a boy in whom there are so many people about robert, a little one who is not even a teenager yet. so much tenderness, so much respect, almost no, reverence for women in general. but how does he write to the front? hello dear, mommy got it. i have letters for which many thanks. i sent you a letter yesterday, today i'm sending you more mommy, to tell you the truth, i was struck by this thing. at first i burst into tears , i don’t know why the guys who were next to me thought that someone had been killed for them, this still remains a mystery. well, mom , i'm not a lawyer, but i walk all day today, like i'm crazy anyway. i haven't had time to think things through yet. let mama if it's not make it difficult, my new father. let him send at least a photograph, otherwise i don’t know him in person, i don’t even know what to write to you for the parcel and money, mommy and big money for him. thank you mommy kisses you tightly and i wish you all the best. your son rob answer

me a question. how to call him in a letter? that's why i didn't write it. she says kiss, and it's just impossible, poor boy. here, you understand, just through it. throwing was here, how much of this tenderness of trembling is in it and there is not a single claim to mother, but only that’s why i didn’t turn to reading mammy, because he understood that there could be a distance, because she could read. uh-huh no, well, there was such a core inside, and it’s like that there is absolutely no world today and it’s so out of date. now it sounds. no. yes, but he was already a little so living his wonderful new life. no, she worked hard. they traveled , they were there and in austria, when they settled down in karelia, he went there, probably, when he had already sat down, in general, that is, he is still a wounded man

anyway, of course, means those, probably, experiences and dreams, these dreams. i want with my mother with my mother. this is what he probably carried through his whole life. and so there was no approximation, of course. because he's already special. these are today's children, this is work, which means you have never seen time, no years have passed, years have passed, this and the whole war has passed and after the war they, in my opinion, in 40 some seventh, or what, met? mom didn't pick it up right away. no, tell me, but he took her when she got old, and she was not a widow a second time. he her hmm them, or rather with her stepfather from e, with a divorced brother, but bought alterations to the dacha and from where they are, in my opinion, dnepropetrovsk they had a dnepropetrovsk house and transportation. so, then i bought an apartment in moscow and your mother never said both. well, something like that, they don't really e me how many letters are left.

you were not very nurtured, you were born, a younger brother, and everything was attention to him. and you were basically on your own. now you are so much for i remember how they suffered, grandmother and mother, how they suffered, because grandma didn’t want to was very opposed. eh, sala’s wedding was very against it, and she saw me when i was only two years old and my dad wrote letters to her, very tearful, plaintive tears of souls, that such a girl is funny. so you know, she's already there, she's already gone, she's already healing something there. well, why don't you come? why? you are busy your life did not immediately take, uh, boy. yes, when i returned to the fruit you had your own, uh, so to speak, lovingly. family affairs were not born on the road. by the way, this is

the story that robert did not immediately find, but the grave my father. he did not know where he was buried. he did not know them, but it turned out that the grave, in general , was 10 km away. just found it was very strange, uh, history, and i flew first. lives in altai where he was born in the village of kosikha, and relatives came there. e pitkevich. and then one of them told me that knowing that i was, and that dad was looking for his father's grave. and what? i am also looking for letters. they wrote letters everywhere, but no one could say anything, they said that it was bombed somewhere in riga, and the train, educational echelon and here was the preservation of the fraternal magic, and i decided to go, we rested at that time in jurmala and near riga. but it turned out that this is in general, this is the place where this grave supposedly was. and

it’s not yet a fact, was petkevich there or not? i went there and, well, such a settlement is quite large, i think, how am i going to look for an attitude towards us that is not very friendly , some kind of aunt is coming. i asked right at the entrance to this village. and where is the gate magic. she says, well, here are three steps here to go behind the house. and you see me i went there and there are many, many stones, on which there are probably 30 small letters of stones. it's in beautiful trees like that. and i think now i'll look for it all, i don't know how long it will take. i opened the first bush, it was written that the drinks were the first, you know , i still have frost right here . the boy has not had time to fight yet. listen to the most offensive, because it was five minutes from jurmala where he we are 15 years old. they rested there, in the summer

of 15 years, which is all the same. yes, yes, but when robert saw off his father to the front, she told him whispered in my ear, don't come back without the order. yes, yes, but he didn't come back. on the contrary, everything happened. god, what an incredible destiny. what didn't mom like? why not? there was a jewish question, which very , uh, excited my communist grandmother at one time, and she believed that this was an unprofitable alliance that romochka deserved? well , something more than this, uh, wonderful , therefore, my grandmother tormented the snail all the time and made some gifts. i bought something for her all the time, and this humiliation has been there for many years. and now i have this there was such a feeling, well, of no need, no demand, but then she

was probably wildly proud that she had such, of course, she collected clippings. she filed letters. did she marry the wrong one? of course not, so it was then clear everything and sit down on well, this is a five-year period. uh, here's the marriage before she accepted. and then not to the end, i would have a bite to do. never said anything. she was very smart and understood that she lives with a genius with a genius, in the first place, and he has a mother. she understood that lives with genius. i think yes, of course, and she was a help to them because. she was also a professional literary critic. and then everything worked out. and when he came out to read poetry to us, you know, in the cloud and smoke, because he smoked a lot too. yes, they smoked. who who is more, in my opinion, such a feeling was. that's what the girls said.

let's go read some poetry. we all sat down, he read, my mother's eyebrows flew up, because this is such a speaker was her sign, she sulked right away. and when we already listened to ours, they went to the office there she had never made any remarks in front of everyone. they have already started working there. that is, sometimes you didn’t have to say anything, sometimes she didn’t like some word, so it was always not our ears. or she did. no, roberta did not say that this akhmadulina was no longer in the house. i don't know, it didn't bother me much. they yelled, yelled , drank, smoked, and stomped all the time. i didn't hear that there

some of the guests were expelled, except for the one who knocked, this was very common in the sixties and the rumor about it was that one of the guests was knocking. it spread very quickly and immediately this person was removed from the squad. it was, at first, it was dangerous. secondly, it was disgusting, but the authorities loved and recognized and revered it very much , and the people loved it very much and recognized it, revered it . well, it's a rarity. after all, very few people know that he was in disgrace. and that he was in exile for 3 years about this. almost no one he knows, tell me, but after these boys , after khrushchev, you stopped publishing his stories at all, uh, forbade him to publish his poems, and uh, he went to kyrgyzstan where

he lived for 3 years. and there it became active, uh, to translate soviet poets. it was already with my mother. it was with mom. it was 6264. and if you open any, uh, reference book, it's written on the internet by robert christmas first word translator. at first i was indignant, then i decided that yes, probably, he had spent so many years and so much time translating all of these people, then he returned, then he was accepted again, but 3 years were thrown out of life. he wrote poetry, of course. mostly. he earned, they gave him a fixed-term loan, and he transported the poems of all these comrades. so not favored by the authorities. e. well, you , our viewer, did not think that this is such love, in general it is a popularization, but robert's

to today's generation. doing something all these birthday parties , reading, burning cds, there and so on, and your sister does not participate, uh, she doesn't want to be public much, but i have a letter, its true already. uh, well, to the father who left. we haven't seen each other for 8 years, your old letters are turning yellow, and your sweaters that i wear no longer smell of you. your voice remained only on the tape screaming and whispering from the last century. your poetic ladder. in today's poetry , it rises as a proud almost destroyed monument of architecture, on which no one walks, at best, listen to the guide , look at the scale, take into account the complex ambiguous time. this ladder leads to heaven. we haven't seen each other for 8 years, leaving you said. happy to you, my girls. i

don't know how to be happy without you. today your poems are no longer perceived. like their time, most likely, time seems only from the sound, their verses for deftness or the last line, but i collected this book not in order to convey the spirit of the times and not in order to remember you again. i always remember you and not in order to tell someone such a poet lived, he wrote poems when he was young, and then he stopped being young, and then he died, but the poems remained. i just hope you like it. or at least one more thing will be interesting, because i almost never talked about you. well, you know that, really. i love you. yes, can you imagine you know your hands are so happy. here you are so filled, it seems to me, overflowing with this love. here i understand, here. hey, why do you have such a temper? why are you so loving? why are you so empathetic today? such

a definition is very fashionable, for some reason you perceive it that way. why are you giving so much? why are you always around, but these huge the companies that you feed and sing just like your parents collect all these christmas meetings. uh, because you have something to share. well, probably, you know, i lived in such love that i need to give. i owe them as much as i wrote, dad. why do you give yourself more, the more i owe them for a very long time and i am happy, because i managed to confess my love to them. i love you very much katya because i will remember everything there, bro, that you made me and your soul. yes, because i want to sit in the kitchen with you , cry and talk. i remember how we salo. i was already pregnant and smoked, and at the liftal. yes, yes, you told him at my place, you and i went pregnant at the same time, gave birth , you didn’t smoke, i was bad. so, we

will definitely see you again. thanks for the memory. today we gathered our thoughts about tolstoy and dostoevsky hello dear friends tatyana kasatkina philologist doctor of sciences ivan andreevich yesaulov philologist doctor of sciences, i am vladimir legoy, yes, i managed to talk with you, of course, with philologists about tolstoy dostoevsky, but you know here in our our podcast is such a tradition. we are taking on the impossible, i will tell you that after dan you i am no longer afraid of anything, yes, dear friends. ah. here's what i want to start.

there is such a joke, maybe a clever one, that all people are divided into tolstoy's people and dostoevsky's people yes, that you should love someone alone, but it's like the people of florence yes, i'll draw such a parallel, here, but in general it has the right to exist. how do you think? yes, it’s clear that it doesn’t matter to me, well, as if in different well, they are generally about different. therefore, these are not mutually exclusive figures, but you understand. this is what it could be , a playful division, that after all, people like to read, or, uh, some people get attached more and not only not only readers, because writers get attached too. e, we remember, bunin is already there, who with all his heart is for tolstoy with the liberation of tolstoy and against dostoevsky. i mean, there is something in it. e. e, such that, can potentially?

yes, but uh, i'm here, uh, rather closer, of course, that's because tatyana said. i am also e different strings of the soul, e resonate e on e, after all, and at different ages. uh, then uh on sweatshirt, then she is dostoevsky, so to speak. e such motives and provisions. well, you know, i , uh, also thought that there is such a stereotype. well, let's get a little bit of it, so to speak, by kneading the first thing we say dostoevsky means orthodoxy. and what, in general, as you orthodox automatically love dostoevsky and so on. yes? yes, that's a very big question. yes, in general, where is he from the dostoevsky church, er, and so on, but when we say tolstoy, we mean anathema, which in general is also a big question, because, as it has been said many times, the scene is there when karenina

forgives anna on her deathbed. yes, this is generally one of the most christian scenes, perhaps in world literature, ivanovich about which we will definitely talk about today, i hope. here's what about these article stereotypes. well, first of all. eh, dostoevsky e does not write from sir, because he writes, but blogging inside a person. he writes, in fact, about the image, yes, and uh, he does not believe in the space of the world on the sacred hmm, and it would be nice if we didn’t share it, in general, then there is for him what happens in the church actually happens in the world. yes, and as it were, well, here, this is the universal liturgy. which the karamazovs end up taking, it’s as if they were already directly spelled out, because they didn’t understand for too long, and he decided to say as much as possible, as if in the forehead, that’s all, yes, but that’s all and uh, in any case, i’m starting with crimes and punishment very clearly, he always has the deepest church scene in crime and punishment takes place in a tavern. here are

marmalades, yes, but the future of the future life, yes, and i am the last court there to say, yes , in fact, the atmosphere is kabachena. yes, there are marmalades in e dwelling. yes, and there, too , confession and communion and e. transfiguration e. here is this hmm denial and rebellious human mind. yes, in some higher form of forgiveness. that's it. eh, dostoevsky, he is all built on the same products on which the gospels are built. here he is, as if he does not provide us, here. flat, level and comfortable ground. yes, like they came to the temple and stood there. well, as alyosha says, yes, if if the lord said, take your cross and follow me, then it’s not enough for me to give 2 rubles. and walk around the day. here is ah. okay or pick up. yes deal deal something in is,

that modicum for me the most. uh, dostoevsky , of course, this is such an easter writer. the problem is that, for example, uh, uh, in 1992, nikita ostrov posted the messengers of the rhd for the first time, uh, such a letter from the archimandrite, core. e. and bunina e. there e. hmm, it's eighty-two. e, if i'm not mistaken, then the third fourth issue and there is just e architect e, declares his love. to whom tolstoy means for what e for his e, maybe he is closer to god uh, writes uh closer than dostoevsky than, dostoevsky, despite the excommunication. and how he somehow explains it , he explains it. ah, my love for him. yes, that's exactly the way to say it, and here these are deeply christian approach. in a sense, he is here. eh, he even says

that not only as an artist, but also in his such theological searches, tolstoy, uh, is, of course, hot. this is picked up by ivan bunin , of course. he is there, uh, impartially called. e about dostoevsky. in short, uh, here, of course, there is a problem, but the different sides of such russian orthodox christianity are touched upon by tolstoy dostoevsky , as you know, how much i love this comparison, like uh. e heidegger once said that without the cologne cathedral hmm on a stone , that's not e not quite a stone in order for a stone to be a stone, the kenin cathedral must be thick. and dostoevsky for our e russian. i would say even russian orthodox culture after all. uh, at least you're artistic creations. e not in journalism. it's something, uh, i don't know something like. uh, maybe, uh, uh plato and

aristotle you agree italy, a very good comparison with plato and aristotle, because really, as it were. eh, dostoevsky is all a product, and tolstoy is all about the soul. that's it, after all, well, you can’t say that the spirit is there, but it’s high and beautiful, and the soul is not important until you master the soul and the space of the soul and master it. yes , it will not pass to the spirit, of course, of course, and here he is talking about tolstoy. this is the human coexistence, which they really lead from some points to the very heights of the spirit. yes, this is the most dostoevsky scene. here is tolstoy's bath-rooting. here it is, that is, it’s not, again, not to exclude one another, but naturally, something is closer to someone, because someone says, that’s already burning in spirit. yes

, he is looking for suddenly discovers for himself such a thought as dostoevsky is ready for him. here, and someone lives and quite, as it were, uh, well. eh, he lives in this middle world. well, here's marov yes , here's and here's martha. it's almost impossible to say that she is not needed. yes, it is very necessary. she and as if without her, maria, too, cannot be. that 's because the court mary was sitting, well, christ 's someone should take care of life, i wonder, here, but still then. we are talking about their relationship to religion as well. yes, here i have a few questions. the first one is what we have already indirectly reached out to him through the death of ivan ilyich; the theme of death is central, the theme of any religious consciousness. what is death? how to overcome it? what to do with it and so on. how is it allowed? here is tolstoy well , after all, as you know. uh, central point.

on sunday, tolstoy did not receive. uh, and that was his main problem. we will remember there, let's say the famous arzamas horror and others, and so on to say this and uh, the same transfiguration e, which is still connected on earth with the resurrection, was also a big problem from here, the opposition, there uh, of the animal and the spiritual in the same in the same novel fortunately, dostoevsky did not have this resurrection about tolstoy. e here and e, in this case e, of course they e, well, they diverged at the central point. e. well, uh, uh, i think the most the main thing. so now i think so, it’s still, uh, to distinguish between the ideas of ideology, uh, and uh, heroes and the world itself, and here we see, uh, if we are so serious about this in tolstoy and dostoevsky

, uh, something close, because in literature e in literature in literature close to the great time of russian culture, that close the idea of ​​ideology e does not explain a person as such? there is a stable expression of tolstoy's favorite heroes, here is valentin gennachkalezova about this, in particular natasha rostova why are we for an ideology for an idea? no, we love her such, uh, we pity ivan ilyich as such, uh, and the same thing with dostoevsky even fyodor pavlovich karamasov. he's still, uh, he's a man who understands the abyss doesn't like the kasavin word, idiologist. uh, here, uh, he was leaning on ideology. he, too, needs to be loved and pitied, how to marmalade, and this is a deeply christian approach to a person. that's what a man is. they are ideologies. still, it's not posture. there is indeed a difference. it seems to me that in the works of death in the works of one and

the other. like, well, again, after all, and death. uh, well, consider how much death is simply not there. here, despite the fact that he has a lot of deaths. here, but the fat one is, uh, if we say not to be. about what he draws about it. say here, yes, here, please, pierre who laughs at all, yes, they wanted to lock me in my immortal soul, in general, suddenly understands that there are no boundaries. and if you are free, yes, and if you are really this spirit, and then, who can catch and lock you up at all, who can limit you, and so on, the same the most again and to the death of a bathroom or whose when , well, it seems to everyone that it’s generally already so to speak, meaningless, but a corpse, and he just goes. here's to the greatest in general passes the greatest events of his life. the main thing, after all, is that it seems to me that after all, perhaps you will not agree with

me that death is necessary already in order for there to be no death. e in the sense that dostoevsky does not depict, say, a dying person, and here from the inside of his dying consciousness, but always a reaction. some other, but not vnu-from within. eh, tolstoy dares to portray and show, it's pretty creepy. eh, somehow try to shake it up, of course, very strongly, because a very important thing, that is, other reactions are different, or so, uh, monologue from within the consciousness of the hero himself, that’s how it seems, uh, because it also seems to me that udostoevsky never no. there is no rigid boundary between the life of death, as there is no between the sacred, yes, that is, it is interesting , yes, because if a person lives this life in the spiritual dimension, this property, in fact, does not change anything. here, and with him all the heroes are pulled up there,

but again, yes, that's it, let's remember palych. this is a person who, uh, says, uh, the most touching at least, if not the deepest words, but love yes, because, well, with dostoevsky, always through the lowest. he goes to the highest through the funniest to the great himself. that's when fyodor pavlovich explains that there were no babies for him. and in general, it’s like, well, it’s already one thing, too, the fact that she is a woman. this is already half of everything, and so on, because he, in fact, talks about god's infinite love for anyone who wears human form. yes, he thought so, yes, he not only thinks, he also feels like that, which is much more serious. that is, he experiences this love, which is simple, because there is, well, yes, a woman, yes, his love is already directed at her, but the problem was still death. otherwise, how is masha lying on the meeting table with masha, so to speak, and immediately begins without a transition without

without a reflection on how the dying. yeah when we meet why can't we meet here, how we will meet there , that is, yes, of course, he sees more than that, but this is the starting point here for reflection yes, and for reflection on what he begins again on earthly life. yes, that is, it is impossible to love a person on earth as oneself according to the commandment of christ. the law of personality on earth is the law of personality on earth. i would say link like this. i prevent, yes, and then this discussion begins again, which is actually about what needs to be done here in order to be alive there again there are no boundaries. collected thoughts about tolstoy and dostoevsky today philologists tatyana kasatkina and ivan esaulov. i, vladimir yoke.

yes, we continue dostoevsky who says this is super well-known, that if someone proved to me that the truth is in her christ, then i would agree to elsa come in , she would prefer to stay with christ and not with the truth, that is, theological is probably not quite correct but here's the full force of the saying. it’s impossible to object to this, and even tolstoy, who, in my opinion, writes in one of the letters that christ is the one who what he calls himself, he is god's. he is the son of man. well, then here is the so-called translation of the gospel. yes, where in general , sunday no, well, i'm generally wonderful miracles. no, well, here are miracles, even here miracles, in my opinion, have been forgiven. yes, but there is no sunday and there is such a mahatman, such, yes, there is konstantin leontiev, who exclaims that there is no tolstoy organ, who believes. here was tolstoy's organ, which, of course, he had an organ that believes. uh, i think, like the same rso on which everything is tolstoy is somehow bold. yes, he wore it. not really,

images. probably yes, but from the age of 15. anyway, and uh, he also believed. eh, after all. eh, but there was a problem here, and the problem lies in the fact that, it seems to me, both tolstoy and dostoevsky quite obviously polemicized in their time with the ideas of the enlightenment, but in different ways. uh, differently polymerized in juiciness, because after all, uh, rousseau is part of the enlightenment . not so to say. eh, so to speak, a piece that contradicts him, so here's the problem. e, in that e dostoevsky's controversy is here is mentioned. uh, christ is true uh, there can be no impersonal truth, that's why because if uh, it's the truth, without uh, uh, personal.

she is a lie, yes she is a lie in fact, which you give out a loan, and therefore , o christ of the real, the truth, that is, that's the point , but tolstoy still seems to me, uh, tolstoy still has this moral, just ethical uh say uh hmm aspect in uh gospel. yes, so to speak, he is, in many respects , self-sufficient. well, this is the problem, because religion is not reduced to morality, it is not reduced to morality, but, as it were, through lev nikolaevich tried to explain this morality , uh, you need to go to god through students all the time i say that this is the famous one, i want to be quite good. here, here it is not about religion, because religion is not about what i want to be, because i want to be immortal like that. here, i would generally say that this story of dostoevsky is like him. i mean, much closer to tolstoy's reasoning than it might seem to us? but in what

sense, in what aspect? i think that when dostoevsky speaks, he is not disingenuous in in the sense that, in fact, the true christ is here, and this is some kind of flawed and abstract truth there. he's quite serious he's considering. that's what the apostle paul is talking about. yes, if hmm, if christ has not risen, he will have it several times, yes, and in demons. yes, let's go. yes, he said you will be with me in paradise, but they went and did not find them. yes, they are not god's paradise. that is, if christ has not risen, then we are more unfortunate than all men, says the apostle paul a. dostoevsky speaks in this situation. even if christ is not resurrected, he is so beautiful. i love him so much that i'd rather want to stay with him than any

kind of truth that's here , that's what. it follows that he has this tolerance. well, because it is about the truth. yes, either or here is the truth that is proclaimed. yes, what christianity proclaims, or the truth is the laws of nature, which are not beautiful. yes, i think that this is such a reduction that allows you to show this infinite love for christ that is , even if yes, here is the apostle, he says, if we are the most unfortunate of all, and he says, even. if not, then i'm still with him and i'm happy to think that. they, it seems to me, this is your interpretation of this quite clearly. uh, you could make it out, but uh, i 'm sure that here it's just this act of love, that is, he says, i stay with you in any situation. so to say, pravda was or was not right, here, but tolstoy he doesn’t love christ