and this feeling of some kind of inner drive is so crazy, some, of course, some of them, of course, nafiga is energetic. well, let's start with what began? they actually had their first there. yes it is, well, and it went there and so on, amazing, yes, then i really love the fourth one there yes yes yes yes yes yes, yes, yes in size, it’s generally so cool done very strongly affects some kind of internal state raises in the body. a lot, by the way, that's exactly what

ledel has for the word. well, that's all you are. well just a positive attitude for the future a few words from the fans. i want to say that today's program that valera invited me was impromptu. here's how it goes, here's how the card falls, as they say, so i'm, frankly, a very blood clot. here are all these, but this is a coincidence. of course, i want to wish from my past all

the very best touching things. with you it always warms the soul and be happy, if there are many songs that you perform without knowing that you wrote them. igor matvienko everyone thinks that the song is about a horse, as they say, everything is very many are sure that this is absolutely a folk melody when they tell me a folk artist. e russia nikolai canceling. in your case, it’s absolutely organic because, and someone, yes, if not kolya, so i congratulate you on this, it’s worth a lot, but i want to tell you with all responsibility people are very happy with you, because the melodies that we remember for us, well, comparable to air it was air. when we were young young and touched the beatles here is the time that i consider the most interesting in life

humanity. these 60. yes, the seventies, everyone lived after a difficult war with hope for the best. yes, the sixties, when children, born during the war, became young people and when there was an incredible surge, e, art, and not only here, but also everything in the world is italian non-matte there frenchman is taking off, you know? and we have a huge number of great films. for example, i'm there zigzag good luck i can watch as much as you want already watching. and that's it. i'm sorry, i won't. you will not be to me either, who will you covet? well, what did the straight man say, so i immediately say, kohl i love you very much. thanks for being equal. and good right. well listen, well,

with lol it's straight. well, it doesn’t happen like that, it’s necessary for the drum, there are thousands of songs that are played like that. hello friends, this is a podcast life of the wonderful and i am alexei varlamov , writer and rector of the literary institute, my guest today is a wonderful prose writer, writer, playwright, publisher evgeny anatolyevich popov, a legendary person and speaks. today we will be about vasily pavlovich aksenov and his novel. crimea island greetings so evgeniy anatolyevich how are you? i understand that the author of the book about

him, which you wrote with the authorship of alexander kabakov, was really very friendly with vasily pavlovich and e. tell me , please, why axions yes, who was so famous for his wonderful, well, such touching, unusual, very tender works of the sixties. uh, star tickets for a container container, why in the seventies after all? it seems to me that his style is changing, he refers to novel genre. and writes. well, such things are more political more social, what happens to him. you watched my acquaintance with him and very close friendship with him begins in 78 years. before that, i was a revere or a viewer alike. and i'll tell you, it means that by the time i met him, i had a question. and where did the writer aksyonov, the author of the bashkotar, for example, so, because i was no longer satisfied, nor the search.

genre. there, it means, not that some seemed a little bit so toothless a little bit. and therefore, when i start to get acquainted with him, and he imbued me with confidence, he gave me to read the novel burn. he did not even go on the lists, but he hid him and which served as a result of one of the reasons that he was deprived of citizenship. that's when i realized where the actors' huge novel is completely new it has developed. he just developed. and why did an island appear in crimea in general, what was it, crimea then for you crimea was a favorite place for moscow and st. petersburg bohemia. yes, and not only god, and there and the underground went there all and the place is on the sea, because the voloshin house and everything, it's easier aksyonov adored this place and obviously it occurred to him to do it there. here is this trick with the sharp crimea but look at this novel.

uh, as far as i understand, it was first published in america after his emigration, correctly, and you read it before he went to the fact that i was present almost from his birth roman well, tell me, it's very interesting in the seventy-ninth year , so the winter has passed, very difficult for us, because they smashed the novels, the metropol with sledgehammers. if it is also a separate topic, it is a separate part of the design. oh well, she organizes it practically there. well, that is, like an ideological organization. here, then, they smashed, metropolitan, all wings, there is pornography of the spirit, and everything else that can only catch one's breath, so that spring will come. and what, she tells me even without erofeev. she says the guys went to the crimea, they drove perfectly by car. we arrived in crimea and drove by car. she was such a green car. we drove through the volga from

yevpatoria, and what amazed us was that for some reason, through the most reserved places, but all-russia he drives, he sat behind the wheel, then only we realized that i already watched the details of crimean life, and everything is there in the novel. and not to mention the fact that, of course, maybe even the idea once came to his mind and you won’t ask him anymore, but maybe this is due to salmonakh, metropol, because he is there in the novel island of crimea, there are some references to this, for example, i even wrote out one thing that they were going to do vernissage was not touched, which for some reason aroused extreme anger among the functionaries. although now these verniss are the same dozens here, and there about the protagonist of the island of crimea, luchnikov, was satisfied with the vernissage in moscow of his magazine courier. and there, it means

that what we wanted to do is written in axon. everything will be very easy to caviar. we even threw money at the participants for this and they will write as invitees, you will have actors, artists and models. walking between an intellectual as like flowers, it means that he has all this in his novel. that is, this is your unfulfilled plan, you don’t hear it, so that we decided not to do the opening day, because we were told, and if we arrange a vernis, that they will expel all the already participating writers from the writers. so he never talked about what he writes. that is, he was such a secretive person in this sense, right? either he was superstitious or something, that is, i already found out that there is a novel. the island of crimea, when he gave it to me to read, and there i came across a wonderful greeting from him in the novel, because when yalta enters the soviet media in the wrong place, it means that suddenly such a radio port says such

a phrase. popova erofeev's detachment will be built on on the third deck for a meeting with representatives of the local population. attention, the commander of the ship congratulates the young sailors on the beginning of their service, because, then, at that time we were just kicked out of the writers' union. this, probably, was the irony regarding the beginning of the service, the service. but tell me, please, how did he come up with an excuse, uh, this idea uh, to make such an alternative history. why, come up with such a move that, firstly, well, the geographical crimea is really an island. yes, that is it doesn't connect at all. no isthmuses with the mainland. and further. as far as i understand, these are the events, and the winters of 1920 . yes, when red crossed over the ice. uh, sevash was captured, and crimea but how did he come up with? yes, this is the move that this did not happen and crimea had an alternative

white one. its history already. you ask about it, but it certainly goes, amazing phantasmagarial fantasy, because look at all his texts. what he just does not come up with. and here, after all, he hated what he called bestial, seriousness, after all, how crimea means, why the reds didn’t capture it, because some english officer was hungover, which means he saw that some people were walking on the ice and began to shoot from a cannon and the ice broke and that’s it, when it occurred to him , but i also say that he is a writer and a writer and was all. that's the point. well , look, after all, of course, the association with the island wing. well, such a geopolitical one, probably, hong kong is, probably, taiwan is western. berlin well, that is, these are the islands of some other world, who are connected with the metropolis, they never talked about this topic, but this is undoubtedly just taiwan, most likely, so what else is interesting

, after all, what happens in the novel? what does crimea have? alternative history here is such a bourgeois capitalist, in its own way very attractive, and next to it there is the soviet union, which is generally depicted in rather gloomy colors, let's say not at all as it is depicted. uh, in the star ticket. well , let the baltic states be there, but still it is part of the soviet union at that time and not even just like a well-packed bachkatare and yet an amazing tenderness for the soviet country, and here is one of his best books. yes, this is a great book. simply amazing in its tenderness , the book, but here, it seems to me, there is still more some kind of anger, more poison, uh, more some kind of rejection, more some kind of irritability. so i remember alexander abramovich kabakov just in your book says that this book is about the fragility of democracy and the efforts of totalitarianism. and why why does he do this, because aksyonov really did not like the left-wing intelligentsia, either you you want to say that luchnikov is rather a negative character, after all, points

of view. because he becomes politicians instead of journalists, or something, and the idea of ​​a society of common destiny, because it was a crazy idea that there is, if you join a civilized one. the island of crimea to such a monster as the soviet union, then this tree will sprout and the soviet union will become the island of crimea the first year, then, and russia really became the island of crimea let it be ugly with all these features of the nineties with all the distortions. but, in principle, this is what was the grain on the island, crimea, like this new bourgeois order. in the end, it really sprouted in russia, what he was afraid of and what he did not want became a fact. no, you are saying what i wanted to say about the fact that

russia became really sharp crimea, you know, when i was convinced of this for eighty years, when they were celebrating aksyo. here so in kazan there was a huge thing in the air dedicated to this forever, so , in my opinion, 3,000 people, or something, it was hot, like on an island, crimea was not drunk to my amazement. you understand how jazz was played on the island of crimea, as on the island of crimea, and it was so pleasant to the heart and the youth of the youth was chock-full, he became a national hero. you are an actor in tatarstan and it was for me even then i thought, well, just the island of crimea, here, yes, he somehow treated this. that's when it turns out that what he invented alternative history. turned into another alternate history. everything happened, exactly what was the matter, which means that he managed it all the same. let's see this for a second.

vasily pavlovich leaves the soviet union in the eightieth year, but in fact he is given from here. come on, do not survive, he is deprived of citizenship. yes, and they let him in for 10 years, he lives in america, yes, yes. returns here. yes, he lives in america, and this, a writer who is also amazing for a writer, usually experiences success once in his life, but he survived. i think times four the first success of a colleague from star ticket, the second, it means that he had success with the almanac metropol, the third success he had when he was thrown into america so that's it. well, he lectured there and became a famous american professor, he was adored by students and the fourth success. when he returned to his homeland. at first, after all, his first year was not very good, and now, this is although aksyonov. all. but after the film passed, the moscow saga, here he again became a national hero

four times. that is, he is lucky, such a not very happy fate, yes, and now he has one of his best collections, for which there was not a single review. this means that the negative stories of the positive hero were so terribly interested in him, like the former author of youth komsomol and there is a story about komsomol members who manage to sell to the west it was forbidden, it was titan but they sell it in the form of titanium shovels, you know. this is the podcast life of wonderful writer and rector of the literary institute alexei varlamov, and we continue our conversation. e with evgeny popov about the novel by vasily aksyonov island of crimea , do you know what he caught you about? i naturally i read this novel for the first time when it was published, and in the ninetieth, in my opinion, in the youth magazine. that is, i didn’t come across it in my youth, and, of course, it was absolutely cool. it was one of

such literary events of that time. now i have read it. and so i began to catch myself thinking. what feeling? that is, then , of course, i was struck by the beauty of the bourgeois crimea, because we had not yet seen all this. yes, i had never been abroad before. and for me it was just like this trip to see. yes, skyscrapers are all these hot places. this is the western atmosphere, as if in such an externally attractive now, in general, well, everything is alex in the clinic. yes, from the novel, isle of crimea, what is there? the bssr didn't buy double bleached blades of color film for mini photo cubes with flashes of jazz plates of shaving foam for long socks and this goes very well. i remember this place. it's archers when he came to the company of felt-tip tampons of colored lipstick threads, and so on and so forth. i remember very much well, what it didn't have for. and of course,

then here is razin's front, i read all about it and thought, that's where people live. now i caught myself feeling that i was reading a roman pamphlet. yeah, and i had some strange association. here is such a novel of an absolutely opposite a-a axion writer. what do you want a village that thundered all the time, when such a stalinist absolutely communist romance and there is such a very ironic image of various such pseudo-political forces in the soviet union in the sixties. he ridicules the westerners here he ridicules the slavophiles , the russian party, some other party, that's aksyonov in my opinion. in a way , it does the same. here he writes, uh, pamphlet pamphlet. well, the pamphlet genre, it's always so a little limited, and it affects the fact that the figures are not very voluminous. they are so a little flat, a little stilted in their own way, maybe curious. yes, there is

such a member of the central committee who feels sorry for this crimea, because he understands that if crimea yes, yes, yes, marlene, who is mikhailovich, yes, cousins, who dies at the end of the taoists, will join the soviet. yes, wonderful people there. there certainly are very interesting female images. and tatyana lunina. yes, this is the beloved archers. and then i remembered the eagle from the age of 84. this is the idea that, as it were, the most true protest against totalitarianism. this is a protest against sexual liberation. cohesion yes, that's what a woman can answer. maybe especially to answer, but such complete freedom is all, of course, er, terribly interesting, but some things. here they seem naive unfulfilled, and yet, indeed, this is the very idea. yes , here is the island of crimea, detachment, joining plus the surname aksyonov yes, which

russian history rhymed so strangely to give from the next one from here. vasily pavlovich lived up to that time, i don’t remember, in my opinion, no, he died earlier. yes, that is, before and how did he generally feel about the fact that and in the nineties in the zero, crimea was part of ukraine and he somehow said something about this topic, somehow this topic interested him, because the fact that then the crimea was part of ukraine. by the way, it did not affect it in any way, he continued to go there. yes, he kept going. i'm not saying that he is, so i described to you that we went to the crimea so we arrived in moscow, we were already kicked out further to write down how we arrived in moscow and he rented an apartment in koktebel for the summer. wow, so next to the house of creativity, and there he wrote. moreover, i rented the island of crimea from some person who worked in the house of creativity. he had an apartment and this man did not tell for

after many years, that the kgb men came to him from they said, get out of the apartment, so this is how aksyonov will live here and the whole apartment was eavesdropped. and what was there sent about it? who knows? and he thought that they would not be surprised with eavesdropping everywhere, you know. well, at least what is there to eavesdrop? i wonder what sits creaking with a pen, or what? one way or another, he no longer drank wine at that time, so he was with his wife maya and with his daughter alena at that time and lived all summer and wrote this novel there, then went to moscow in the fall. dressed him up then gave us to read. and you read in the hand to cross yet? yes, then what was the impression then the feeling. it's a very cheerful, but overwhelming cheerful feeling, that is, the leader writes, you understand wonderfully funny.

it means that he understands everything and there is no such special mythology, because after all, he has the island of crimea, which is opposed to the soviet union, it is not so good, it’s not so good, if you look closely from the present times and with our experience, there corruption exists there, which is just not there, there nationalism exists, there are wolf cubs, there and fights between communists and consistent people about it. if it was said many times, because it means everything, then democracy and the left idea, after all. he traveled a lot during this time. he navigated these leftist intellectuals. he did not say that he had performed somewhere in germany and said so. what does it mean that some person, who was sitting there, jumped up and said, “you are lying all the time, it’s all wrong.” so it's all there people live happily building communism and anger

left. ah, the meeting. so he slammed the door, and that's it. he says, i saw through the window that he was getting into an expensive, expensive car, some insanely expensive one, so you understand, and he saw it all, and he saw what the french slavs told me , told rina gerak, until they obeyed moscow in principle wordy, because to make a career you had to write. and mayakovsky and at best, and kirsanov, well, you don’t like it, stalin write protsvetiks. understand how something and when the energy of the times of youth began to get along with emigrants told him young man, you're crazy you didn't make a career like that that's because it's a balance it's literature. this is the balance of the expatriate. you understand here. and here's what you need to do. and now everything

has changed. he told me a wonderful story, that, for example, they began to translate, for example, some people only when they were published in moscow, when you already understand in modern times, and these white guards, who aksyonov, a patriot of russia, were then in revokuants, these are luchnikov’s father, that is, all this is modeled situation of world evil and good. i would say so, but he spoke with some of the representatives of this first wave of russian migration in the west and some of their reaction. i was with him in 2006. he was friends there with some count by his last name, just very fat, and together we celebrated the new year, count tolstoy and his wife are an absolutely simple-looking person, but it’s clear that under this simplicity you know a lot of things. he knew, then

it means he wrote a lot. american expatriates he was friends with many of them they had your slang. so, for example, where the ladies call each other, darling there or something else, and where the words are already confused, then this is the most english and russian words. thor was also so interested in this. well , the second one, of course. uh, like danger. yes, here is one left, relatively speaking, the line of his novel against this childhood illness or spring, so to speak, in the european consciousness, the second, of course, is stalinism in the soviet union that is, i saw it well from nationalism. the same island of crimea where it means there are such extremists, so there are hundreds of them right now. and, of course, it's all shown. eh, already rotten scenes in the bath, where they drink beer. so this is a young energy luchnikov although he is leftist. he, for example, in a jiffy,

so this is the very car. tavets moves away from surveillance, and everything disappears. consent disappears, but nevertheless, when you read this novel. i thought that if i read it in the seventy-ninth year, i would least of all believe that 10 years would pass and nothing would remain of this country, not from the sharp crimea from there will be nothing left of the soviet union and the soviet system, and everything will be different. that is, there is absolutely no incomprehensible. where it will come from i can only talk about myself. i somehow perceived it as a dream and fantasy , because it was clear that there were no grounds for appearing . there were no grounds for this from the list of goods in moscow, but nevertheless everything appeared. that 's the thing. it’s a pity that they don’t write about it, but they write about all the momentary nonsense, you know, because there are still questions of good and evil. such as good can be made from evil and others questions even closer what is convergence.

was there a chance, for example, to correct the soviet regime, you understand, and before that , aksyonov, for example, it was not by chance that in the last novels of komsomoltsev he was friends. it was karpinsky who i observed was such a secretary of the komsomol passing on his personality, which means that he was later expelled from the party and naturally appointed. well, he told me the actors that flax, whom he adored and respected. vasya, now we will have some kind of congress. sorry, i'll scold your star ticket. who is speaking? yeah let's get it all do you understand, that is, was it possible in a peaceful way? without any, well, in short, a revolution or a revolution, that is, it was possible to follow the chinese path, relatively speaking, the chinese path is the preservation of the political system while developing a direct

relationship. but this thought is connected with the acute crimea, you understand, because russia has experienced so much. we already had everything, the tsar was lenin, there was trotsky. stalin was khrushchev , and so on perestroika was after perestroika was what else the possibilities are running out of everything. you know what's the matter. and now it seems to me that, well, it is the best time to become aware of yourself and what you are writing about and have already become like that. with a sharp wing, but without consequences, but without these negative traits, and it seems to me that now the time has come for this, because such were the antagonists, and this is reflected in the island with wings. i don't know, the russian party is cosmopolitans. everything, right now. it seems to me that enough has already become from each other's foreheads and people have already died of these parts, and

then, when you start to carefully examine, so the texts, you discovered. suddenly, everything is grounding, that between astafin and aksen there is not such an abyss or shukshin, which is possible, i don’t even say poshukshina, because they are two vasily in no way. well, i thought that the three great vasily of russian prose of the end of the second half of the twentieth century and the beginning of the xxi century, this is vasily aksyonov, a fazilet of kander, who vasily was also baptized and vasily shukshin understand, they themselves don’t really understand each other shukshin and aksyonov almost did not confront iskander; he, as it were, had his own thoughts, but it is clear that what unites them. before. you know, aksyonov is a dude on a micropolis, which means that shukshin was a drunken man driving when he was studying,

which means, uh, it means iskander - it came down from the mountains, which means it’s not clear. why does he write in russian wonderfully like this. i think that they were united by one thing, that for them russia is not my country. in general, what's the matter? and this is how it should be now. it seems to me that we should be guided by this, and because evolution is better than any revolution, but by the way, i think that the island of crimea gives such hope, because the finale of this novel. he is so very kind, but the tragic terrible, yes, there is a son, yes, anton luchnikov, that is, uh, son. anton is just his name, son anton, grandson arseny, that is, there is also a name like that of tarkovsky. this is andrey fathering anton, and this is not accidental, of course, he loved, adored those things. all of them are leaving, the crimea and the soviet soldiers should destroy them, but they do not destroy them. this is a very beautiful helicopter flying. aksyonovsky

language, they are almost obscene. they say. what does the most say? eh, here he says, the guy lies on the cross, and there is another child one says. yes i i won't drop the bomb. he says, well, how can you throw a bomb at a living person, they shoot past and the person who controls. so, they eat with a voice, it means, you know, they say, the task is completed, this repeats the task is completed, and these, and there is some great hope in this. and that reconciliation is really possible, and dialogue is possible, so i still have this from this novel. here. uh, good feeling, after a good light is light because it's one of the mysteries of literature, because sometimes here's a person writes some absolutely terrible. things without any light, and then read and what

color feeling? well, if he killed them, it would be very bad , nevertheless, he spared thanks for this, if he did not describe how gromit everything in yalta, these who joined here would also have a poor understanding, but about this feeling of light you know, i'm from a completely different area now. i will give an example and even a different age and that's it. now i got to read a book published by minusinsk of the novel. senchina with a bad house name. horror absolutely chernukha goes. and you read the story light sensations. this is a literary mystery and therefore i’m all of it in the mystery is, you understand, and god gave him to write such a novel as the island of crimea, and it’s no coincidence that it went like this, that now, uh, you don’t even have to repeat it anymore nobody has forgotten who crimea is. the island of crimea. you understand. , yes? here, of course, this crimean note is still important, yes, after all, this novel takes

its place in the work of aksyonov and it takes its place. here in this here is a wonderful literature dedicated to the crimea starting. well, at least. from pushkin there bakhchisaray fountain of lyricists. pushkin then sevastopol stories then chekhov kuatushin voloshin final. paustovsky alexander green greenland is the same crimean country. but i wonder for vasily palych it mattered. this is his belonging , the feeling that he belongs to this crimean text. you know, i think he never thought about it and never declared it, but he felt it. and who he had at all, these are his favorite writers. e from such an older generation of classics, you know some literary idols, to me. it’s hard to remember now, so i think that, of course, he loved western hemingways there, most likely, this is understandable. it's all like that. well, i'm one of ours. so, babel is mined by platonov. but by the way, i'm

talking about green. this is a very interesting thing, because green also essentially made his island in the crimea greenland really geographically. in general, it is located in the crimea. although in his green novels. it is scattered all over the world there, but all these cities, and there zurbagan, yes, and even there fox yes, this is all in general, crimean cities, because he lived in the crimea, and for quite a few years he wrote the last years of his life, and he also recreated, this crimean text, the crimean territory is also such a miracle, because outwardly his texts, than someone could come up with some scarlet sails there, everything is easier. but no. that's the most important thing, as a person writes, you still understand, not even what he thinks the house, while thinking like that, you can do whatever you want. and that's why? well, you know all this, no worse than me, the more you understand the institute, because you can invent everything,

anything and tell that i will write everything that you try, write it and here the higher power is already included, of course. well, yes, and vasily pavlovich, uh, certainly had it, and then look. eh, he also has such a very tragic biography. yes, my father sat, sat, sat more than my mother, moreover, when they were imprisoned. first they imprisoned, uh, mother, then father, which means they thought that they would never see, because you think, well, it 's all over, and therefore the father already had another family, then everything, although he loved macho. that have a wife, see evgeny's books steep route. so i just found him father aksyonovsky, which means that it’s interesting, just at the same time, when before leaving he wrote that’s it. so he came to say goodbye to him, which means that before aksyonov left , aksyonov had a conversation with him there, then he leaves. well,

i can’t talk to pasha. and this, by the way, these relationships exist in kryny island, too , between father and son. yes, but they are very gentle there, how is the grandfather loves his grandson, how the grandson loves his grandfather, these are the lines, they really hold. this novel. they turn it from political in such a family family, in fact a family saga that could be even further, probably, and i would also say that this is a love story. you see, there's something else very interesting. there it begins that some kind of american professional girls appear in the game in the game, yes, well, such women, as we now say with reduced social responsibility, and suddenly at the end of the novel it turns out that they grow up and they become such a completely serious subject love. and this human growth, which there is also very important, and kataev loved him, touching him he loved and protected and covered , he protected and covered, how interesting and how

it means why kataev took him to the youth magazine, you know not. so, youth was the most popular magazine, if the new world had a circulation, let's say 50-100,000 copies , then the kotaysk of youth had a million under a million , but this is because such figures were lowered from above, if yes, if they were released and a new the world would be more like it was impossible to subscribe to them then this subscription is played out, in my opinion, this just don’t let it go, because everyone read the youth. i remember youth will be printed in youth. yes, that's what it means in literature. i am from students. now i’m explaining what it means to be stupider, how to take it in an envelope , put it in the ranks, look for a person who will give someone such a person in their hands. yevgenia simonovna gezur asked him

to show kataev aksyonovsky tells two stories. this means that we are skating and read them and he was delighted by the phrase that the surface of the canal in st. read this phrase and said to print it immediately. and this was the first publication of aksyonov, which he was extremely dissatisfied with, because it was two komsomol stories. and then it’s wonderful when he already has a higher colleague. this is already aksyonok to read it. she describes in memorial books how he was called to the youth magazine or where the great people kataev were sitting ironing everything . you understand and so he already taught such glory

, at least there yes, of course, he was an amazing person with an enviable. uh, fate with its incredible literary victories, who lived such a very beautiful life. here, so let's say to him, thank you for what he was said to say. that's what the stars are about. and there are idols, you know, a star is a star, everything can be popular there, then the idol will go out forever. here is the idol aksyonov dude iskander of wonderful philosophers. and shukshin and thanks to all of them, because they are completely different and absolutely supporting life in our country with you. thanks to you and evgeny anatolyevich remembering vasily pavlovich, read, friends, re-read aksyonov and you will get great pleasure. this is a podcast. a wonderful life, and alexei varlamov

, a writer and rector of a literary institute, was with you. and my guest was a wonderful prose writer and suddenly vasily pavlovich evgeny anatolyevich popov hello, i'm pilot cosmonaut anton shkaplerov, this is a podcast of space history. today my guest is sergey nikolaevich samburov chief specialist of radio engineering systems for communication with space vehicles of the rocket space energy corporation. and what is most interesting is the real equal of konstantin edward tsiolkovsky, the founder of theoretical astronautics. today, just we will talk about konstantinovevich tsiolkovsky, his legacy of