well, probably not, because after all, uh, such an age has already approached when you are 18 years old there to 18 years old. i really was. eh, on my own. for some reason, they even called me such a dynamo, because i seemed to communicate with everyone, but this was not now not for me, but when i started talking, close to nikita, i just felt that this was my person and how this person was on his own begins to open up, relax and open up to him for you. it was a surprise that nikita made you an offer exactly what it was on that day. yes, it was a real surprise, because i didn’t know exactly what it would be now and we were like that all day relaxing. everything was in a great mood and everyone was relaxing sunbathing , so, of course, i did not expect that it would be right now nikita and when i decided on this serious one. i was so very worried, and

until the last moment i had these thoughts exactly now, right now it was easy for you to make an offer. did you worry, maybe during the day, in general, i had no idea how it should all be. i'm in this was the only thing i knew. i want it to be on vacation, where it is beautiful and the water and at about the moment i want it, because i was like there for a week. maybe they were vacationing there. i already looked. what time of day is the most romantic? well, roll it up, like, and this is the only thing i knew and on what day, how it should be , i was nervous, walked very much and did not understand how you just take it now and come up, and your life everything has changed, as it should be. what will be with you, what will be with us at all, but no, uh, actually i'm here we were on vacation together. e word frosty to my student with my friend and well, such, yes,

that you are here with a rude word roughly speaking. what are you afraid of? yes, apparently, that's why he still hasn't. yes, go already, the ring has not forgotten the ring, most importantly, in the room. everything go. i just thank you. thanks to the brothers for the advice, some part of my life flew through my head, i imagined what i should say now, i didn’t memorize anything, not a single word, i didn’t cook at all. here is not a single one, at all. i just went and she sat with a friend, and i took her hand and said, let's go for a walk. so he just started to improvise something to say. and it seems like. eh, hike, i understood that it turns out. well, it's good that everything seems to be working out. so everything goes smoothly, and there i had a place, especially. here, while we 're talking. eh, and here it was necessary to get there. so when we got there and i

turned around. this very nervous moment was the most nervous, that is, you don’t need to kneel. right wrong well i sat down on his knee. accordingly, everything is beautiful and well, the answer is fast enough. here's how it is in my personal opinion. here it is you will wait for the answer. here's how her reaction will be. so i had a fairly quick reaction and the reaction is completely, how satisfies you, like a man who is waiting for reciprocal answers. that is, i was just generally super, happy at that moment, these emotions. similar to when you finished the free program at the olympics, of course, these are completely different things. never even in my life did not compare them to my head. it’s just that i don’t want to do this, in principle, really. that's life and and life is spoiled on ice. there's blood under the tears. here i wanted more of some kind of romance and happiness from love for a person. i very often say that the relationship e in a pair in the work interferes, but at the same time, when you skate together in a relationship in

competitions. it doesn't matter, even sometimes in training when you have that inspiration. it seems to me that two people who do not love each other cannot show this chemistry. that is, after all, sports intersects. it's probably comparable. you are right. there are, uh, 1.000 plus even the most banal ones, when you don’t at competitions well, i ’m a dancer skating in pairs, roughly speaking, a team player just like you, i think that i personally did n’t give a damn about who was around at the competitions , because i have vika and i am with her all our experiences. well, that's it, i share everything with her 100% for me in the same way, because for me it is very important in general that i like to talk with someone to share. ah here is emotions especially before competitions. i don't understand being silent. well the truth and take my hand, it calms me to look into the eyes, which also calm me, i love it very much, and it doesn’t matter to me

just that the person is really with me. let's go back to your families for a bit. because for me it is approximately clear why nikita ended up in figure skating, because his mother is a wonderful children's coach. eh, even if she did not train. but she, as a coach, gave you some advice that you especially listened to. she e was near and is near throughout. total time. she is even now what we do, for example, in shows or on tours. uh, when she comes there now calmly, without stress, to look at the stands, and then there is always feedback from her, either it’s bad, or the guys need it, no matter how high the level is, if you skate the olympic program, you need to skate it just like at the olympics, otherwise you can’t skate it. it is not necessary, that is, she is always in the subject, she always likes it. i really appreciate any advice, this is the most sincere and honest person. she taught me to ride at all like no one else was riding. here in the younger

group, when i was a single skater , it didn’t work out, maybe because it was not just that they didn’t let my parents go to training. and now the fist just crawled out, you know, from the crack. well, clicks, the door was still not allowed, the parents were from there. here's the fist and that's it. that was your main motivator. vika , your parents are demanding in sports , they were at the same time demanding, but at the same time they listened to me very much, they always listened, and dad advised, in general, such an approach was very correct he helped me just somehow, he helped me to practice, he helped me to stretch. here it stretched from me. even though she didn't want to. there were tears, there were other emotions, but it was still very much like that, but somehow with the soul, that is , they always listened to me and knew exactly what i needed in the 2014 olympic

games in sochi, you performed in different compositions. uh, nikita skated with elena others and became a bronze medalist in the individual championship and olympic champions in the team. you were young, promising, paired with ruslan zhigashin, but after that you decided to stand up into the headlight and it was not the easiest moment in your life, not only because you broke up with your previous partners, with whom you had spent your whole life since childhood, but also because there were a lot of attacks from press fans who called you traitors. how did you succeed afterwards? here are these meetings at competitions, this public relations pass? well, i'm stas much older and 10 times more experienced, i can say that i was just doing nonsense for a very long time reading. it's all reading the comments and declined to

consequences so as not to tell. everything is in the snot. how is it uh just gave up on social media altogether. and i still can't get used to it after that moment. and i was shocked. i read so much about myself in general, as if i were the worst person in general on the planet. that is, i do not go in for sports now and i see, i have my own vision. eh, and or there are some reasons why it happened and why i want to do it, and achieve no less success, just achieve by gritting my teeth through all the difficulties to go through and i’m not at all what they don’t get there, uh, some good feedback there or or just some kind of banal support there . i get so much for it. manure is just like i'm doing something terrible, really. i personally suffered a lot. i don't know, i've shared. i can't even tell. did i share with you those moments

there. uh, what i feel when i read, and i read really all sorts of different things. the first year was really hard. and vika, how did you go through it? you saw you read the homeowner that they just didn’t write. ah, they wrote in private messages, they just wrote in sms to the phone where did they take? i don’t know the number, they wrote offensive words, they wrote terrible things that i bought, that my dad bought there, in short. well, it's just that i laughed at first, but then you kind of read more and really. here you start. well, to believe that i, too, refused all social networks. i just went away for three or four months, i didn’t go everywhere, i just studied. the thing is, the first year was, of course, hellishly difficult, and especially the first competitions were very difficult, when we left, we came to moscow for the first time for

the grand prix. i will never forget this at luzhniki. we and we got the grand prix together with lena ruslan and we went out in one warm-up, when we went out on the ice, we were just whistled by the whole hall. it was just the next question. yes, it was tin. and now i have no other word. it was very hard for me. i was shocked that well, people are so angry , so not well, they don’t respect a person’s life anyway. yes, the fact that he is doing the work that he was doing and in general his dream, for example, well, it was really very hard and the parents who were sitting on the podium at the back. sat there. friends with whom i used to skate spoke, and they sat and did it. well, it was really hard. well later. i just realized that all this time these people. hey, who wrote there? uh,

well, bad comments are bad words, sometimes very offensive insults. they just really fueled the interest. well, well, seriously very often when there is either an artist or actors or a singer or an athlete? well, there is a hate wave. and it’s also like, uh, some kind of push, what they say about you, just. well, the only thing, of course, depends on the moving in some direction. it was really hard to get over it, but we did it. this is a free program podcast. i am maxim tronkov and my guests today are olympic champions victoria sinitsyna nikita tsepov. vika , did you ever allow the thought that it was in vain and maybe nothing would work out. there has never been fear. and fear is different, that is for me, but the fear of failure. no, well, that's different. that is, when

you go out, of course, you are there, you are not very ready physically or something else. eat, of course it is. what can you possibly do wrong there? or mess up there, but it was fear, uh, or was there something that happened, why? i did this never happened. that is, i am sure, always in my decision, and i always have goals. i always try to achieve it in all ways, that is, i will grit my teeth to work to achieve, no matter what, uh, do not give up. i mean, it really is. yes, even more than sometimes these are needed, but in everyday life, in ordinary life , it’s also so stubborn, well, in a good way, actually deeds and well, this, apparently, is the wife of a champion. these, apparently, are all the same questions right to the end, to find out right now that you are right to

the last, even if this is not required, in general, no one has said anything to you, you always defend anyway. yes, we have this, you noticed later. how could you turn this attitude towards yourself, of course, with every a-a competition with every a-a day, it’s like nikita and i, well, we rallied even more, that is, some unpleasant moments pass, some m. ups and downs - it was so connected and made it possible to move forward. well , somehow it got better, even so it’s not in vain that they say that they fall somehow, then you get up again and rise even higher. i’ll add that, of course, it was also important for us to prove all this ourselves. that's really the case, really the results are great loud results and

the only way you are satisfied yourself, and now we have 1,000 wonderful fans who follow us, follow what we do and give wonderful gifts. and we are very grateful if you thought, nikita, i am more everyone is interested in this answer from you when you won the world championship like that, that is, it is still a year before the olympics, and about those people who told you that you would not succeed. naturally with teeth, a sly smile in general and i was always super very happy. well, here you are to prove it. for me, this is a huge, unrealistic thing. just like when they whistled here. rent some of these people, which i am alone against you now, this is the feeling, and for me it's not that the game is life big

sport, but for me it's kind of obvious. um, well, i don't know, some sort of mission accomplished. you know, some small from and from this game and i felt satisfied. we are included, because i have proved to such people who do not respect, did not respect you or do not respect you until now. you already did them. i did mine. sorry, 8 years of your triumph have passed since 2014. this is the way these 8 years, if it was worth rewinding back. but he was 100% worth it, it was a super super bright colorful segment in life, which well, it's priceless, it's just some kind of just a movie of several parts, you know , so i like how you once said that you once found it. i asked you a question

during the ice show and you said you uh thanked vika for this roller coaster. i think this is the coolest comparison. yes, i remember exactly. this expression is on the very first day when you held hands, you realized that yes, it’s all these rollercoasters that we talked about and that’s all, it didn’t work out for a very long time nothing happens. and how would you tell yourself for two or three years, we simply did not understand how you work day and night. even on a day off there, nothing happens. it gets better, right? rolling down, understandable, but this is not what you expect. you still go in different directions, roughly speaking, you don’t even need to find fault with this in terms of technical. you just don’t feel that it’s a whole and it doesn’t work and mistakes a bunch of nerves, a bunch of and at competitions you can’t get used

to the fact that the olympics just took place now in sochi and everything was so bright, and now you are a different couple and no one is watching at all that you performed there, uh, with another partner, and there you had a good result both in personal and in the team. it's all over again. and it's also hard to accept. although this is the easiest of what was and therefore and until the moment when there was a turning point in the year when we did not go to the olympic games in kinchany. it's just that this was the starting point, only upwards, or that's all. and this is some kind of. ah, planetary mystery. here it is for real settled down when we came to the scammer. i even myself at this moment in the first year when you came to zhulin, i don’t remember much, as if there were some echoes of what was that was what interfered. maybe, maybe in my character, maybe in skating in ours there, i’ll interrupt you, first of all, you

already skated at zhulina’s. before. yes, yes, you already spent all your junior years with sasha and became the world champion became the world champion of other seniors, then you moved to the group with nikolai morozov yes and this departure from zhulin a, then a forced return to it. how did you even manage? it's like you, remember this conversation, in general with sasha sasha and i want to go back to you, of course, he did not come to the first conversation. instead of him came, uh, pyotr vyacheslavovich durnev pyotr durnev is a wonderful coach, technical specialists from alexander zhulin's team. so, uh, he asked me tricky questions. are you sure? how can we train together? here, where is zhulin with aleksandrovich, uh, we met the next day, in my opinion, well no matter already there another day. we met. he just said, guys, come on, i'm waiting for you for training, we'll see. here we have a wonderful team. come and

work i will be glad. that is. he immediately buried these grievances. we did not have a single conversation on this topic, in general , alexander zhulin is known primarily for the fact that tatiana was brought up in karmannaya kostomarov. these comparisons began, that vika seems to be very strongly natanya. nikita is becoming like roma how did you like such a comparison and would you like to be like champions, wonderful comparisons are much better than we were compared when we paired up with vika so uh, only honor uh. well, what can i say in wikistan? well, uh, it's really just a banal similarity in the hair color of the figure, they are tall beautiful blondes. uh, i know that one of the dresses in this insider info was

made in tannin patterns for you and zhulin. he told me that he could not offer it to anyone, because it did not suit anyone. she just sat you down like it was done for you. yes, it is, and it was olympic dress for free program. and it was so fleeting too. let's. well, try it, just try it, and we attached it like that, i tried it on. really looks very cool. and i really liked it. the most important thing, that is, i am still such a person that if i don’t like it, i won’t go out in this, in general i breathed in you. this is some kind of sovereign confidence a little sports people. now, if she won the olympics, i also didn’t have it at all. that is , the most important thing for me is simply that i feel confident, that i like our olympic year with tatiana we skated a super star in the pre-zone program. we had white dresses, all season. and we needed to change something. we didn’t succeed in any way, and tanya took and made herself a yellow dress, in

which she also explicitly said to feel more confident and went out and did everything, really. well, it might be subconscious. or maybe it just gives you confidence. i don't know how it works. well, for those who have just joined us. i remind you that this is a free program podcast. i am maxim tankov and my interlocutors today are olympic champions victoria sinitsyna and nikita katsapov. did you have, maybe, some role models in sports in your ice dancing, who would you like to emulate, who did you look at and think that yes. that's cool . and it would be nice to get closer. or maybe surpass. i can now name at least three couples. for which i have been following at least three exact and even specific programs all my life in figure skating, which inspired me in general and inspired and which i reviewed important there some periods of time. uh, but the closer it

got to these olympic games. well, 2 years, 3 years. i realized that here you need to concentrate so much on yourself , so look at yourself to improve yourself. uh, every move you make, it just falls out by itself. here at this level, maybe just already old, that is, at the olympic games. i was already 30 years old and maybe somehow because of this it affected, but there are up to 22 at the olympic games in sochi this is, of course, when you share the ice with tessa, and scott and world champions already then with charlie and meryl. eh, which is less? i have some kind of idols there, probably, like for you, maybe, yes, cattle are paths, and yet it’s just kind of, ghostly for me there were people that i watched and aspired to be a partner like scott and this is wow then for you, for yourself, this is your motivator, right

here and now plus even when you personally know these people, you inspired me very much. well, these are our common friends, only i am older and i grew up with them from juniors in general, and in one of the conversations the cattle told me that nikita is generally, like , the best partner in the world now, but he lacks discipline. i think that the discipline that, for example, scott could say, because we still know very little closely. uh, i got her here with the arrival, uh, k- to alexander zhulin and to our coach. and so, as i said. i just need to repeat myself. that's when everything is stacked. this is an internal discipline , some kind of internal calm, and er. new to me completely normal skill to absolutely respond to mistakes on what you can’t do, what i never allow myself. well, could never let this happen in life. well,

no mistake can happen. and if you go to the program entirely in training, if something went wrong, well, it's you more. well, if this is, say, a program of 4 minutes and something happened in the first minute. well, you need to roll. everything in your head should be the perfect skate, there is always the perfect executed bunch. what a mistake anyway there shouldn't be any mistakes, but that's the point. to if it doesn't matter what happened to go further even better than it was even just and not to well, everyone forgot or thought at home. damn how cool. now, how great, he knows even more, tensed up even more inspired and let's go. they are even prettier than before. until then, despite this error. and the judge is also human. it seems to me, uh, unless, of course, it's an element that you

failed. and if it can be some other things, and maybe he won't even see it. nobody that some mistake. there was and will forgive many things. and this is very important, it was actually, as it seems to me, now that if it had come earlier, maybe some result would have been earlier. this is for me personally. it was very important to vic. what is zhulin's magic, why is the number one coach in ice dancing in the post-soviet space, this bar has been holding up since 2006. i think it all depends on the fact that he feels his athlete very well. it is very important for the coach. and this is located athletes, too, to the coach. that is, uh, we could approach alexandrovich with anything. they could tell us what we feel, how hard it is for us, or vice versa, that we feel so cool awesome. let's have more, that

is. he adapted to us so much, he did not press very hard, but at the same time he kept him from relaxing. i think this is very important for a coach. and this helped us, apparently, and psychologically, he also never pressed. he's always like that it will be fine, everything will be fine. well, he never drove us somewhere or hurried us. everything is fine. we adjusted to him, he adjusted to us, right now we felt each other. apparently because of this, now alexander zhulina has a very large group. now your rivals in the russian national team have come with whom you have competed together for many years, and sasha and vanya, uh, like, she doesn’t sound jealous, especially stepanova. we discussed this swick and quite recently and there is no answer yet. it may

exist, but it's just not clear while this is the off-season. transitions. i would like to see the guys, in general , with the team with ours in action here. uh, maybe we can answer a bit later. well , of course, such a healthy, healthy, calm jealousy is present. and if suddenly alexander calls and says, nikit vik, i need you. also, when you came to you on the ice, tanya, for example, as i know, navka yes, and with some light helped you come to help, for example , uh, vanya and sasha in staging a program or in serving in some way i don’t know , perhaps, psychologically agree to help in something. i you know how i'll answer. i'm not sure that vanya and sasha, uh, but we are the same age. i don't know if guys can or can do that. uh, here from them hmm it will go to zhulin, that maybe we will invite someone in our direction, maybe

it's the depth that invited its eternal rival. i invited him to russia, i said, he is a five-time world champion. i don't care, i already won it. i already proved everything to him, but i want him to share his experience with me, because if i want to skate further, i need someone new, some kind of coach, who will give me something new will give. and let it be a very cool champion who i respect as a rival. listen , i think so then, if if he calls, if he asks e, we will come. so, no need to guess what the guys will think? i ask you, are you ready to cool. real champions you generally consider yourself in the future. maybe as coaches. are you ready to pass on your experience to the younger generation, or vika, i’m not that ready. i really want to and i still do not understand at what point this should happen, because i know very precisely. what, what's here achieve, uh, a very cool high score.

i have to live a lot of hours on the ice with athletes who still need to be found to help them. at first it’s a huge path, it’s possible, and now it’s a fence, but it’s no less difficult, and in general i really want to, really, i just don't know yet when, uh, when to start, maybe, well, you know better than anyone that if you want something for sure, then it will definitely happen. and you, i can say for sure, but about nikita that he just has a talent for exactly how to teach? i'm in shock to our couples are similar, because as nikita explains and does not explain, well. no one can tell in detail how everything is here, how the body should stand, he will not forget anything. he knows everything about every little thing, and it

seems very useful to me, so i’m all for this in general for my knowledge, which, uh , vika and i often communicate very much on the ice. how to make it more convenient for us, to skate and so on, and i used to say very aggressively, somehow hot-tempered, probably, but i tried very hard. eh, this is because of maximalism. do you want it to be better here and now 100% the same with me, i began to try, because everything already had to change. it’s just with the transition to zhulin to explain in a different way, a little more intelligibly, calmly stop yourself to show more times, if necessary, and it’s in the explanation, it seems to me that i began to feel very quickly that just a person begins to understand faster, although it seemed to you . why don't you understand that i want you? no, all people understand what you want from them. and of course, i'm all for

knowledge, i am grateful to everyone in the center, starting from my mother, who gave me all the most ingenious basic foundations for my whole life, and here are nikolai morozov and marina zuya and alexander zhulin from all over the team. and all the people who participated, in general, in this my sports life. i thank everyone. i keep everything in my head. and i hope that here, uh, when once, when i became a coach will help in case of chance, i realized that really every coach. eh, he gave you something, even if you have grievances against some coach. you know how not to do. and this is also a cool experience, and one that helps you. in coaching. the most difficult thing will be to kill the athlete in yourself and become a coach, and not be. and here i am, and i did. so this is the hardest part. and you, vika, as i understand it, are ready to just be nikita's muse, i also really want to convey.

uh, my experience and knowledge in any case , but so far, i don’t have the desire to directly give myself as much as possible to coaching and spend all the time about skating rinks, until i have one, maybe my opinion will change later, but i’m always ready to help and be near. you see someone now in russian ice dancing, who is able to reach? well, at least you haven't had any success yet. what needs to be done? how to change, what needs to be changed in the russian approach to ice dancing, so that we have some kind of material that can reach the olympic heights, in your opinion, you should call me a coach. sasha you all heard? nikita always ready guys, well, on this, i think on a positive note, our conversation has come to an end. unfortunately, i chatted with you, probably until the morning, but airtime is

we are not rubber in the same way as our time in figure skating programs. thank you very much for decorating our broadcast today. you just shine two loving hearts. thank you very much. thanks a lot. we were cool. it was a podcast, a free program. i am maxim tankov and we are today's guest olympic champions victoria sinitsyna and nikita katsap. hello, my name is dmitry bag. i'm the host of a literary podcast called let them not talk, let them read, and i and my wonderful interlocutors i'm talking about this sweet wonderful process because reading e in many ways allows us to live another life reading books. we observe landscapes, we see pictures

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in the middle between the two parts. we, as always, will have a surprise at this time. i remind that i either read a poem or show some old book from his own library. let's see what will happen this time and i'm happy to start this conversation sergey , please tell us how it happened that you entered literature so early. well, not all. e debut, if i remember correctly 18 years old or 19 years old, how it happened is a family tradition. this is some special time that it happened that very early began to write composed. fairy tales rewrote the books of life, because i was born in the family of a priest, and hmm in general passion for literature captured literally in the very early years, published domashniy magazine to interrupt you, at the very beginning they rewrote live. and i would say, yes, and they were such half-hearted lives, and