such inner work, which is very unpleasant. well, you can’t pack it in such a way that it would be interesting to people, i don’t know, maybe you can. well, as here, look, there is, for example, a topic close to me, this topic of natural parenthood. well, now, of course, we will leave a little. in such a very it is, naturally there are women who say, here i am pregnant. this is mine, it's simple. uh, well, the time of my life. this is the main event in my life. i want this to be the best memory of my life, and she goes to classes. she's getting ready. she is responsible for her childbirth. she understands that this is not the case of doctors. and this is her business, if, of course, she is healthy with her child and everything happens naturally. and there are women who say i want this maternity hospital, because there is a good menu of beautiful beds. and here's this get it out of me. and so that

it didn’t hurt me, i didn’t spoil anything there. yes, i’m here, and i ’ll put an epidural on me, i’ll paint my nails for now. yes, and this and this exist, and these are two conscious approaches that people are free to choose, but biology says that it is natural, parenthood can be the key to successful communication between the child and the parent. and no, no idea, which is relatively speaking, in the bedside table, which is grandiose, unrealizable, but very desirable. well, the federal channel has one idea thanks to the grandiose cultural initiatives fund, which i have 20 years of ours. i really hope that we are now implementing it, because we received grants for this project. it is called happy in different ways. and this is a project for a happy family that is happy, despite all the difficult circumstances with which this family is facing. it can be anything in the format of such a project. ah. we are still thinking about

it. but, probably, it will be such pre-reality. well, that is, it's definitely an interview. this story is about one day it's a family. or maybe two days just depends on the situation, where this family lives, you know, that is. well, this is how i see it for myself, that is, it can be a family, for example, which has special children or adopted children, it can be the family of an astronaut who has been in orbit for a year, and at the same time his wife has children and somehow she has them brings up, and somehow their family does not love each other, or for example a magnificent family, and the stars of our bolshoi theater they are tikhomirov alexander volkov, who are both ballet stars, superstars. and at the same time, they are on stage together, they are a family, and they still have children, and anya came out of maternity leave to dance 6 months after giving birth. do you understand how she does it? i don't understand, i'm wondering, that is, rather surprise, well, happy family. it can be absolutely at

any level of society. these may be farmers whose children work together with them. and, well, i mean, i'm just generally sure that there is nothing more interesting than a person in the world. no. you can go to your private cell to knock on any door in your entrance, and you will not find everything, dear deudram - a miracle - a betrayal of an anecdote. uh, some kind of love incredible adventure, because life, well , throws up plots that no screenwriter will come up with. i want to talk about it. i want to talk about what kind of person. what an amazing creature man is, what a beautiful person he is, how wonderful we are, how disgusting we can be, but at the same time we are still worthy of love. well, if this format has a chance to become popular, i'm sure that passion it depends, because it's right when you burn, then you light up the rest, what you call popular, you know, a sneezing kitten on youtube will always get more views than a story there ah-ah , even the most prominent families. well, now,

of course, nothing at all against a sneezing kitten. yes, therefore, please, here's how you feel about such a phenomenon as content, uh, in movie series and so on. well, that is this is a technique that allows you to convey something good and bright through cinema. well, so that people do not really guess what it conveys to them. well, as you remember, keep money in a savings bank like a ship. listen continues, unless of course, very good attitude just this lately. i see impact content. no, on the other side. but mostly not about the mind on dombra, svetlaya here, but remember , you also said this, but you can run away from the soviet police hmm well, well, oddly enough, firstly, the phenomenon is now and there are few tv shows already i see that without it. it seems to me that, in general, this entire cinematographic industry

, of all the arts, cinema is the most important for its own. this is a powerful ideological tool. he never was. well, maybe, you know, i remember, i had a very strong impression. i watched the film ka kogo winner hmm print pong vera sitakuna i learned to pronounce in the name - this is a thai director, he had a film called uncle bomby remembers his past lives, in my opinion, or his past life. and this very thai cinema. i didn't understand anything at all. i asked several film critics to explain it to me and they explained it all even more intricately than the movie itself, probably there is such a pure art of such a thing, just separately in a spherical horse in a vacuum, but maybe flyers. this is also some kind of there, embedded meanings, which i simply do not read, but for the most part, absolutely. cinema even the best, even the author's. it, of course, something moves some ideas, but some values. but you said

that you are observing a slightly different opposite, not the content impact, but the content that works. but i don't know. impact - it's only about positive lecho. we transfer this coloring to impact - this is involvement. anyway. this is approximately, which means that the impotent is a film about women. uh, violence, in which, uh, somewhere in between they talk about how to call the hotline and so on. this is the import of content and, in fact, there are already a lot of these examples now, but i’m already reading it, to be honest, and we’ve already talked about it, that’s all for me uncomfortable. and there is a social heart attack soul content, yes, that is, it’s different, when here yes, we’re talking exactly about three-ruble content, which, otherwise, for example, i recently heard that a program would be created. it is already being created, yes, a program that will

automatically filter out all the content that it contains. ah, not that wrong impact, wrong involvement. what do you think about it, by the way, how to weed out something. that's what you know uh hmm ah, and cutting off you can cut off right up to the absence of anything at all. i'm generally hmm rather against bans. i am the formation of filters in a person, when a person, like you, you understand you say i, i already see it and filter it out. and even if, for example, my child is watching something that seems to me to be wrong or inappropriate, we watch it and explain why. i think you're worthy. yes or well, this is not something worth watching, here, but and this is not a ban. this is simply the formation of critical thinking and erudition. well, by the way, in terms of the formation of critical thinking. i think we have big questions with

this. i mean. psychologists of children say just about the fact that teenagers, if they are not released, have their energy, yes, and you don’t have such content at your disposal. they'll need to release it somewhere else. so they sublimate. this is in someone else's content, looking through it, and this is also such a two-fold story to ban or not to ban, the content that forms a different perception. really. it seems to me that um, if we are talking about the relationship of children with virtual reality in social networks s all sorts of platforms and even with search engines here are definitely games, but also for games. yes, parental control is needed here, and it should be quite strict. here it is necessary to discuss right on the shore. what am i willing to let you do?

in what quantities, uh, and under what conditions we have a lot in this matter in the stroganov family, including seventeen-year-old luka , who will now turn eighteen, and we agreed that when we turned 18. we will lift these bans, but, frankly, it’s scary for me for him. i'm afraid because that we had a period when we were in isolation for 8 months, we did not limit it at all. and when these 8 months ended, and we came back from out of town to moscow, it turned out that he was even physically simple. well, he walked with difficulty. he spent so much time sitting at the computer in a static position. he only went out to eat, there and something else, but he did not walk. he. well, he was alone and he didn't have enough friends. he communicated with them in games and therefore we actually we understood that this was something that filled his need for company, and he himself was stunned by how much time he wasted on it and how

badly it affected him. well, that is , well-being, then he came to training. there until on and his coach says that he was sick lying. i say no. he was sitting at the computer. here he can’t help but bend at all, there’s nothing to really lift his leg, but he is very weak and squeezed. hmm well , that’s even simple, but it’s a matter of physiology. and what happens there in a child with a nervous system with an intellect, an elemental element, and so on with emotions, it’s not scary for yourself. well, with this your point of view. uh, a rod show, it could be replicated as a quest for other families. it’s just that it’s just kind of taken out of e, online to offline, the biggest problem is not that the child is sitting at the computer, but that his parents do not offer him an alternative, you understand, if you close one door, you need to open another then. if not this is what, but we don’t well , why are they sitting there, because it’s so convenient for us. it seems to us that they find it safe at this moment, well, at home in

warmer, they came brought him some more gulls there and fed him. here he sits a good baby. well, he's playing. how well, let him play. uh-huh, something like that, you know, and what trends do you still think to open for us in the next 10 years. i am a trendmaker. why not? yes, of course, i don't know. i think that i, of course, will continue to develop, by the way, a love for a person. ah, in all at all let's say levels. e of this scale from love to oneself e to the image of god in oneself. no, love for myself, how awesome i am, i have such a waist, i have such cubes on my stomach, but just respect for one's dignity as a person , love for children, love for one's loved ones, love for those far away, and, ultimately, simply admiration for a person. every day. you can open the news and find a story about a person

worth admiring and more than one. and of course, i think that i would really like to professionally develop the topic of parenting , the topic of parental competence. here is my tv and you were talking about a dusty bedside table. i really want to do something like mamapedia, some kind of big parental online encyclopedia, where there will be very practical things, you know? should i treat baby snot? yes, what until how many years is there to wear a diaper? how to choose the right maternity hospital? it all seems to be such, uh, stupid private questions, but they are like this, like bread, it is always necessary, because, thank god, children are born and each time these questions arise new again for each parent. they are regardless of the number of children i will tell about myself. each new child is a new story of a new challenge. as almost as in a clean slate. lots of interesting things ahead here lansen, and we have a lot of broadcasts ahead, and the creative industry podcast

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podcast with an intriguing title. let them not speak, let the writer yevgeny grishkovets read as our guest and we will be very glad to see you on you as more than a dozen years in life and uh, if it’s not against it, then we’ll slightly open the veil over the backstage, and i i will mention our discussions. well, maybe many were surprised by the writer yevgeny grishkovets, of course, so yevgeny grishkovets is the author of many books. e me very beloved, for example, and their vulnerable home. we will discuss one of them in detail, but we know evgeny grishkovets as a person who represents something on stage, then he does not just represent something, but writes, this is something he is the author of this something or he presents music on scene. yes, and so on and so forth. here's how to talk about your identity, how is it fashionable to talk now? that's what you're primarily or

maybe just a person not. still, such a person is a writer. not an observer, not a feeler, but a writer. yes this is it the main thing, that is, no, nothing like that before the record. uh, you have gutters. i remember your story, very old, still siberian and we will tell you, dear our interlocutors, what connects us with the siberian city, kemerovo i remember the story of zhenya grishkovets, very young , he is young now, but nevertheless the person who tells me a. well, here i go, i pass the trolley bus stop and see how people are standing. i have already died here. i never look at how people stand. i go and think if the trolley bus will come in the yard -30 in writing, should have come. uh. i've been doing art all the time. i understand that from very early childhood. i would like to do art. i didn't know what it was, i had no idea. i really wanted to go there

well, i probably did not know. yes, because art is decomposed. uh, musicians, do you want to go to the music room there? on the school to go to the theatrical idea, i wanted uh hmm to express something in words of experience. i remember clearly, i was 9 years old. i was sitting on the beach on the sea of ​​azov and put down a tin can and threw pebbles at it, and some one met the fifth pebble there. i got him and was very happy, and then i thought, how did you happen to me? i remember how it happened to me that i got hit. i realized that i was also throwing, i just realized that when i pick up a stone, i instantly evaluate its weight and size. um, i'm somehow calculating the distance to this object that i want to hit the force of the throw, its trajectory, i hit me. i'm so complex. i realized that i am

a miracle. what am i, a wonderfully arranged being? a then i wanted to tell about it, but only in this way to explain, to the same parents, that i am a miracle or grandmothers, so that it also gets into her, so that these are the exact words, but i couldn’t find the words, but i really wanted to uh-huh, but it’s like would, it turns out, by itself. yes? art is something that has not been created, but it is alive, but of course. you aim it the same way. yes, then you get that no and this is the desire to find the exact words in order to tell another person about how i felt the fear of infinity the incomprehensibility of death at a very young age and also could not help but dare. i wanted this all the time, i remember that i constantly, but i did not believe that i could write a book or write anything at all. i loved reading so much, just like a little boy.

you didn't have to say what to read. i started to read remember somewhere from 11 years to 12:00, what were the science fiction books on their own. it has already been. what years it was the seventies, the seventies the end of the seventies the second half of the seventies . i fell into the hands of jack london in time fielding fell into my hands just in time, what a long distance, fielding, fantasy, and jack london fantasy was not fiction for long? well, at least belyaev well, yes, no less. i just couldn't read in tugants. it seems to me that it is very difficult to write, as it were, and some stanislavl,

of course. and what is interesting will be a little story to tell. well, now, yes , of course, then funny, yes, well, after all , then a lot of gaming came. yes, this in real life very quickly left and came. this acute sensation. of this world, i understood very well why, then why, it captures me so completely and completely, because my grandmother read to me for a very long time, and it completely suited me. i once i started reading on my own. the first thing i realized was that when my grandmother read to me, all the characters who spoke in the book spoke in their grandmother's voice. here, as in a fairy tale, where is

the wolf. and also, uh, when there is a book, the author is the narrator, when you read the letter i sounds in your head this is the only art form where you can feel in the first face from the first person with him that everything else is third person. well, going back to the fact that i wanted to do art, but did not know how. what i did not like theater, i did not know did not understand anything before getting sick of it. he simply did not have the opportunity to get acquainted with it. no. well, what a black and white tv, well, of course, yes, and there is some kind of record rubin uh, we had a record. i'm guessing that she makes tv. uh, dreary music, the monstrous sound of a symphony agency, which, well, how

impossible. it was absolutely all the more, well how it all happened in some distant meaningless world. uh, i wanted to do art. i remember very clearly that i felt because of this, signs of the possibility of doing art. i went, to study photography in kemerovo. there was a magnificent studio in ta-photography under the guidance of gulik vladimir lavrentievich. there was a club of those people to whom he gave books, who gave him music and talk, and i was absolutely happy there, well, analog photography, where, of course, with a tank. well, i turned out to be extremely untalented for this, well just completely. i would have made a good choice of choosing photographs for the exhibition, even as i was suggested by one ivanovich to look at and evaluate some. i had a good sense of composition. i understood that i could, at the level of the negative, select from the film those frames that i had. uh, they had some meaning, but i myself

couldn’t take a picture, damn it, forever. i will remember the words that he said to me, e my teacher in photography. he said he was very angry. he knew that i was not stupid. and why can't you why can't you look out the window, what's in there window? tell me what's in the window, wait what's in the window and there's a landscape in the window. he says there's not a damn thing like that in the window of life. but you take a picture of her to get a landscape. this is a great idea. i repeat the phrase all the time. pasternak for long. i am very fast. this means that we stop recognizing reality, as if it sticks before us in some special dimension, we see some kind of distance. here is what it seemed to us up to this second, and at this second we are trying to name the difference, it turns out to be art. someone probably such as i get into the jar, like a goalkeeper with a penalty kick, like peter khanka, looks flying into the jar no art. no art appears in how i can

tell about how i got there. well, what about morality with knowledge. well, it's art. it is, as if mentally allowing uh, to preach some kind of reasonable convenient eternal no no. i just don't care at all. yes, you don't think so. i think so, but they often think that art is about how to convey to another at least in this presentation it turns out that this is such a technology of keeping up with life , a technology of keeping up with what is a mystery. and what do i not understand? well , no uh, great scientific moral or some other content is inserted there. i can do anything . describe yes, of course, as you said, how uh, weeds grow. this man, dear our interlocutors, depicted

more than 30 years ago, how weeds and earth grow . why did the guardians say there were such people there? for what? is this false art? well i was then involved in this. then i became interested in true art. what was some kind of fracture was some kind of click, yes, and the beginning of something professional, and i almost remember it, it was already after the fleet or before the fleet. it was after the fleet. well, no up to the fleet. er, that is the first cosmos i enjoyed reading. e and enjoyed the fact that he tried to write poetry, which i thought i succeeded. well, after serving three years in the navy. i realized that i got bad bad poetry, and it was terrible that i remember them. here i couldn't. that is, forget. yes, you can't to forget, well, it is always impossible to do everything. i did not feel myself in art with

everything, until now. we did pantomime and did this pantami. although we did. yes, as it was older than me by a year. eh? the hike was amazing. yes, in eighty-nine. we became laureates of the pantomime festival in riga, the last all-union social festival, because lithuanian , latvian and estonian collectives participated, where it was. well, in fact, pantomime burli is most of all there, and here comes two people from kemerovo and show a completely unusual technique, because we actually invented. we did not have any textbooks and examples. we didn’t have you, which is the denial of some pre- given technologies. i will reveal my secret sin to you. i have always been. uh, very surprised when you spoke, because the body you could show anything without any words. yes , and it seemed that nothing more was needed, but you always did what gave the greatest resistance to the material. no. no, i

was just sure that i was not allowed on stage. i wanted to go on stage. i wanted to speak, but it’s impossible as everyone thinks, well, it’s impossible, because i was sure that my speech defect was a card. vost won't let me go on stage. it's impossible. this is contrary to everyone. well, canon, although i didn’t know any canons either. and the teacher who taught us pantomy invented some technique for herself, because it was kemerovo it was the city of kemerovo and everything was there so we all invented a bicycle for ourselves and the invention of a bicycle is wonderful - this is wonderful, and then you invent a bicycle. you go with him you show your bike to moscow. everyone says bravo great bike and should be. and look, we also show 15,150,000 bicycles here, but it wasn’t like that with you, it was exactly like that, and the performance in the theater was legendary. uh, in the theater it was the arrival of moscow was earlier still with the theater. we arrived we showed the performance was quiet, quiet, let's postpone

here my last performances. after that, i couldn’t work like that anymore. hmm, and we showed it here, uh, in moscow, uh, in the theater near the house stanislavsky and it came. uh, a lot of young people. e critics and everyone liked it, but i realized that it did not impress. as most often happens to a provincial man in such a situation, he is horrified by what he has invented. in general, a universal thing, that is, he invented the bicycle scary, toiling his own confined spaces. he's in his laboratory over there in his provincial town. he invented the wheel and found out that he invented e already invented. and what happens next is all. he comes back and dies, and the other way is be glad that you, uh, don’t know anything, uh , invented a universal thing that has long been invented and it, in principle, goes, but after that you need to draw conclusions. well, we return to our conversation. this is a

flag podcast. and i'm dmitry bug, i host a literary podcast. let them talk, let them read and today our guest is the writer yevgeny grishkovets yevgeny grishkovets did not die this quote from him. yes, he did not return. e in kemerovo e, although in this city, it seems that you love and fate has returned. and it seems to be yes, and he returned, of course, then he returned for another 2 years worked there. yes, yes, and then he left. i love him too. well, let's continue after this interlude, which we usually have, uh, in the middle of the program this time as well. i will read a poem like a modernist, which is named after a surname, a biologist lamarck. this is a famous poem, which you, of course, know, maybe you know, our dear listeners. uh, and this is a rare case when poetry, well, replaces science. or she says ok says a very clear thought

the creature was immediately created by the lord as it should be, it does not develop anywhere else, under any material influences, if you have a big nose in a finch bird, yes, there are nuts with small noses, they die, as charles teaches us darwin of the religious club, by the way, is a man, yes, here is lamarck rejected by soviet science in a school that was not studied. just mentioned. he said that with each in its place and in fact it is my god. this is how we see not the world, but our own vision. we do not see, but we hear infrared rays not the sound of your own hearing aid. that's right, the bat sees differently, and the hare sees ahead. there , the world turns its head, not as we see it with our senses lamarck osip anderson there lived an old man, shy, like a boy a clumsy, timid patriarch who, for the honor of nature,

is a swordsman. well, of course, fiery lamarck, if all living things are just a blot for a short escheat day on lamarck's moving stairs. i will take the last step to the kolchats, and go down to the barnacles. i ask you to move among the lizards and snakes along the elastic gangway along and i’ll shrink with evil and disappear, like a proteus horn mantle put on from hot blood, i’ll refuse the model with suckers and curl into the foam of the ocean , we passed the ranks of insects with pouring glasses of eyes, he said nature is all in faults vision. no, you see for the last time. he said quite full-sounding, and you loved mozart in vain

, deafness comes, spidery. here the failure is stronger than our strength, and nature retreated from us as if it did not need us and the longitudinal brain. she sheathed the dark scabbard and the drawbridge like a sword. she forgot she was late omit for those with a green grave. red breathing flexible laughter is this art or science is very difficult to say and very difficult to say speaking, yevgeny grishkovets, after all, what does he produce? i think this is life. i think it's, well, kind of peeping out in the life of different facets of your art, because it's theatrical art. this literary art is musical art. you call yourself a writer. that is, on

the basis of what you want in the word. this i can tell why i insist on it, because that, of course, i'm not a musician. i'm not capable of making music. i do not see her. i don't have my music. i don't know her, i can talk to the music. well, for this i need ready-made music, that is, in general, i am a reciter. in this sense, there is enu music that another person provides me. i am not a musician. i hmm on the stage i reproduce the text written by me. it is such a written text that can exist only in form. the performance that i myself perform, and she became convinced that i do not do any solo performances. i made such a theater which can exist e, the text is the author's only in this way and here the author's performance is obligatory. uh-huh this is not a one-man show. turned out to each other. this is the only one of its kind. e in case. well, such an author's performance has always been a mystery to me, but my favorite thing

at the same time. i don't hide it. you probably know this, and all the time it seemed to me that this is not quite the same thing, yet it is not verbatim. uh, pronounced i mean, not like a role. yes, in the theater this is the text that is reborn or is it every time a new edition of the text of this that is here in front of me once again. let's show this book. this is the first book called the city - this is a collection here e. well, you can say earlier, yes things, i don’t know, yes, early things the first book that was published at the request of a person, heard me on the stage from he was a legal publishing house. this was the book. i don’t even have any idea how books should be designed, and this book was. this is how the text is clearly published, i can to say what is here like this here is the text of the performance at the same time or at the same time. it is about 30 percent longer than the literary text of the performance is longer than the one that is pronounced

here, which is published much longer, and something is swallowed there. something seems to be being told. you have movement. you have an opportunity. you have intonation you have the opportunity to clarify something e without offering a voluminous voluminous context. you can grab attention right away. you can collect from him and you can manage the attention of the person in the room. that is, you communicate with him not like an actor, who does not see the audience. yes, but he feels i do. you have one in which i do not hide the fact that in front of me is a spectator for any event in the hall, relatively speaking, a mobile phone call or a fall of some object or something else. i will definitely react. i think i hear it, can i tell you a scary story. here i am sitting, whether it was the center on the passionate, or something else, maybe the school of the modern play i don’t remember somewhere over there, uh, it was hard to get in.

i got hit and i'm sitting somewhere close to the stage, but like this, i'm sitting straight on the floor, and i'm terribly choking with a cough, and i carefully take out a lollipop, which is against coughing and, uh, evgeny grishkovets, who is standing on the stage, you don't see it, it's me didn't see it at all. who is this? the blackness speaks there. well, expand already, finally your candy, tells me not to say it like that. zhenya is me. i'm still funny because a person trying in the theater try to be inconspicuous. i mean sweetie slowly loud. oh well, most importantly, the slow seems to give slowness. here's the smaller sounding done. or when a young lady or ladies, and today here is a handbag in the theater. here it is slowly doing it slowly. if only once and all, it's funny how a person tries. it's okay, uh, back to the text, huh?