[000:00:00;00] there are quite a lot of loves, but i always had the feeling that these were loves, you know, like medieval kurtaz poetry, when there is a beautiful lady, when she needs to be loved and written, but at the same time a knight who writes poetry, he doesn’t even know and has never seen this beautiful lady, that is , the bottom line is this, and the bottom line is just to love, and to be in this state to be inspired emotionally. yes, and it seems to me that for a long time for the bashkirtseva, and love was not seriously interesting for her, it was important here to feed, but to feed to catch inspiration, but it seems to me that if she thought about the family seriously, it would interfere with her work. this prevented her from devoting herself to painting, and therefore all loves are

platonic. and because it is very convenient for the artist, but on the other hand. ah. this is hmm the last months of her life. she's right here, i think, i believe. she was a little sorry about how it turned out, that it was very stupid of me not to do, the only thing worth it, the only things giving, happiness, making one forget all sorrows with love, and with love two loving beings seem to each other as an absolutely perfect physical and moral relationship. especially in the moral. well, you can immediately see that a person has practice. no, really, and i think it's beautiful and it's very tragic actually, but she actually had a real love story that ended badly and already passed it. she went into denial, let's just say, because she

ran into rather tunnels. yes, this is cardinal's young man who courted for a very long time. confessed his love, but for that he called to marry this kiss with him. she regretted. yes, the kiss was with him, the kiss was a violation, let's say, of the secular rules of the aristocratic, that is, the bashkirs self-rated. it was like a moral fall that terribly tormented her with this kiss, that she allowed a man to kiss her. ah, because it broke her reputation, as she thought, because the wedding never happened, and it did not happen, because the cardinal was against this marriage, and er, the young man depended on his parents. he he said, i can’t go there , i can’t do it, i can’t do it, because my parents don’t tell me and it turned out that he was such a dependent person. and, of course, bask their disappointment and the fact that he eventually abandoned this marriage. well, she really refused too in the sense that she did not

want to accept catholicism, she wanted to. c orthodox well, at least that's how i assessed the situation, if she had accepted catholicism, probably this marriage would have been more real, but she was disappointed in this this man, that's why there is such an emphasis on morality in this quote. she initially understood the essence of what was happening. namely, that he simply expects guarantees from her. he tries in every possible way to get from her what she says, yes, to do. e, decide on a feat, for my sake. everything will be open from my side. and she does not give this guarantee, because she knows that she will be constrained by her, that if something happens later, she will remember all this and blame him for everything well. and we can talk about the bashkirs, how to describe or and how a woman has pioneers who have declared some kind of? eh, well, let's just say the prosaic beginning is already feminine in literature. or we uh can't uh,

call it serious writing. i think we can call her a pioneer pioneer. that's already enough. but on this. probably we will modestly put an end to it, because if you go into details and analyze this text from a literary point of view. we well we might not have anything left, really, but to give it its due as uh, it's literature. you mean, well, lysia and gitsburg have only the term is intermediate literature, and it is very fortunate because it is an invaluable term. but this is all that is not the main one. actually, there are artistic works and diaries. memoirs, they are just the same, uh, refer to this intermediate literature. i think it's bashkirian. well, i started my diary. uh, well, how such a peculiar project, and she herself says about it, that if i die without becoming famous as an artist, but at

least you will. this literary document is interesting, isn't it? uh, yes, that is, uh, initially she has uh, very understandable premise. ah, understandable intention. she wants to step over, uh, death. she wants to last into the future even after her death. yes, art, as a path exactly to become permanent, what oblivion fears, because it is hmm what are you discussing after 150 years. yes, uh, including, because she didn’t believe, but she has a soul in the immortality, yes, and there is a lot of history in god, despite uh. her constant appeal. here , he serves god with her like a magic wand, or just such a saying, but deep religiosity, there, of course not, at the same time for the mystical gifted. you can say that because she has a premonition of her

death and er. describes her original path, how short she writes from the very beginning i will die early and so on. maybe so, yes, or maybe everyone at this age, uh, feels, uh, all teenagers. maybe they'll die soon? yes, but this is a private story , the average life expectancy at that time was much lower than now, so it’s too early to die. well , perhaps, for that time, 25 is actually not even early. it seems to me that if she was true religious, then, and she would not have such an obsession with glory because vanity and religiosity are not very compatible with humility. this is the way she generally said that service to art and service to god is probably not the same thing. of course not. by the way, you think it's the same thing, too

. i think it's, well, in the shape of uh? which can be even in childhood yes forms, and we can say that the bashkirs - this is the emancipation of their female nameism, olga , you can say something about it. do you understand this? she tried a little to write about her feminism ridiculed, for this again here. that part of the life that she spent, let's say. e in the conventions of a patriarchal society, probably not, but when she radically breaks off completely, that for the scenario of a secular beauty. yes, that's the perfect wording. here we can already talk about something serious. yes, she paved the way for women who followed in her footsteps, well , on the one hand, for example, and liza dyakonova , who probably really was one of the first real feminists in russia, and

she had a low opinion of the bashkirs, hmm, competitor. they are too far apart in time to be competitive. lisa was no longer the first. yes, there is also elena gan uh, these are our thirties a years, well, the peak of her literary career, she died in 1842. and here she is, by the way, uh, despite the fact that she was, m-m , a completely inconspicuous figure, eh, but at the same time , she was a rather popular reader, but was published in the library for reading sinkovsky. she spoke. uh, some hmm questions that can be called low. why don't women get access to education? why are we hmm so limited compared to a man in what we can do, that is, in the case of elena gan , it was some kind of conscious uh

statement, probably an example for example. yes, she showed by example, that such a path is possible and it is worthy of respect, and it is possible, really cool. but in general, so, if you want to convince people of something they need or about it. for these convince or show, so you prove your life with your work. at least she points out the problem, in fact, in her painting , there are female figures that or the back is turned there, uh in the picture , the meeting is there, uh, the boys are gathering in the foreground, and talking, and behind in the distance the silhouette of a woman is turned away, not a woman, a little girl who turned away. and this is, of course, uh, a saying about a place about a woman's place, they're a woman's fair place in uh, in current events. yes. e, however. i think the bashkirtseva managed to immortalize her name in one way or another. yes, we know her, we talk about her and she continues

to inspire people, as the first one passes and it's great that if she hadn't introduced life russian aristocrat in europe actually lived in russia, then perhaps we could cook about her in connection with feminism somehow more confidently, because well, there were bestuzhev courses, that is, women's issues were growing, and it seems to me what would she get. uh, the environment in order to develop anyway think in this direction. it was a must- read podcast with you aglaya na batnikova, director , writer, host of the podcast, olga breingi was my guest. writing literary anthropologist. translator and vladislav gorodetsky writer architect. we

discussed maria bashkirtseva and her diary. good evening, dear friends. this is a free program podcast. i'm maxim tankov and today we have not one, but two special guests, these are olympic champions, students of alexander zhulin, victoria sinitsyna and nikita katsapapov guys, hi i'm very glad to see you in our cozy studio. well, my first question is probably the most banal for both you and me. i think that this should simply be an exchange of experience on how to combine family life and work. well, i can tell you right away that i took it from you partly, because in fact it is not so, just so much training. it's very hard and you're always together in training on ice at competitions. uh mood something does not work. well, come home. and naturally. you can't do that, that's all. you ice

is over, training is over. it is necessary well , in general, let's move on to another topic anyway , it is transferred one way or another. well, as a human being, i can just say here, uh , we decided that for now we are skating. well, you need to. to share directly to share this we rented we rented housing and lived in different apartments. here's the weekend, if uh we wanted to and seriously no jokes, sometimes we wanted to take a break from each other, because there is a lot of it all, and we spent together there together uh. well, it doesn’t matter for one of us at home, it’s either a day off together or separately, on the contrary , that is, we alternated everything, as you feel and do, we agreed that we try not to endure anyway. right at all. yes, that is, uh, well, in principle, even faster, maybe put up. perhaps if yes,

something happens on the ice, then you go out. well , as it were, well, it's called there. yes, yes, you are trying to perceive it somehow differently already when you first appeared in our team as part of another pair with ruslan zhiganochny. well, of course. but i will tell you a secret that in the men's locker room they often discussed such a beautiful, spectacular young girl as victoria sinitsyna, but at the same time, you were so impregnable. it was hard for nikita to win your heart. no, because after all, such an age approached already when you are there 18 years old to 18 years old. i really was. eh, on my own . they even called me such dima for some reason, because i kind of communicated with everyone, but this was not now not for me, but when i started talking, close to nikita , i just felt that this was my person and

how this person was in itself begins to open up, relax and open up to him for you. it was a surprise that nikita made you an offer exactly what it was on that day. yes, it was a real surprise, because i didn’t know exactly what it was at all. it will be now and we have been so relaxed all day. everything was cool mood and everyone was resting. sunbathing here, of course, i did not expect that it would be right now nikita and when i decided to take this serious step. i was very worried and until the last moment i had these thoughts right now, right now it was easy for you to make an offer. did you worry, maybe during the day, in general, i had no idea how it should all be. i provided in this and the only thing i knew. i want it was on vacation, and where it is beautiful and the water and at about the moment i want it, because i

was like there for a week. we have already been there. i already looked. what time of day is the most romantic? well, roll it up, like , and this is the only thing i knew and on what day, how it should be, i was nervous, walked very much and did not understand how you just take it now and come up, and your life everything has changed, as it should be. what will happen to you, what will happen to us at all, but no, e, in fact, i'm here, we were on vacation together. e frosty's word to my student with my friend and well, such that you are here with a rude word roughly speaking. what are you afraid of? yes, apparently, that's why he still hasn't. yes, go already, the ring has not forgotten the ring, most importantly, in the room. everything go. i just thank you. thanks to the brothers for your advice , some part of my life flew through my head , i imagined what i should say now, i didn’t memorize anything either, i didn’t

prepare a single word at all. here is not a single one, at all. i just went. and sat with a friend. i took her hand and said, let's go for a walk. that's just started improvising something to say. and it seems like. eh, hike, i understood that it turns out. well, not bad, so that everything seems to be working out. so everything goes smoothly, and there i had a place, especially. here, while we're talking. eh, and now they need to get there, they had to get there. that's when we got there and i turned around. this very nervous moment was the most nervous, that is, you don’t need to kneel. correct incorrect well, i sat down on my knee. interesting, everything is beautiful and well the answer is fast enough. here as in my personal opinion. here it is you will wait for the answer. here's how her reaction will be. here i had it quickly enough and the reaction is completely, as it satisfies you. like a man who

is waiting for answers in return. i mean, i was really, really happy. this is the moment of these emotions. similar to when you finished the free program at the olympics, of course, these are completely different things. never in my life have i even compared them to my head. it's just that i don't want to do this . that's life and life is fucked up on ice. there's blood under the tears. here i wanted more of some kind of romance and happiness from love for a person. i very often say that the relationship e in a pair in the work interferes, but at the same time, when you skate together in a relationship in competitions. it doesn't matter, even sometimes in training when you have that inspiration. it seems to me that two people who do not love each other cannot show this chemistry. that is, after all, the sport intersects. it's probably a comparison. there are a thousand pluses. even the most banal, when you are not at competitions well, i a dancer i skate in pairs, roughly speaking, a team player just like you, i think, and

i personally did n’t give a damn about who was around at the competitions, because i have vika and i am with her all our experiences. well, that's it, i share everything with her 100% for me in the same way, because for me it is very important in general to talk to someone to share. ah here is emotions especially before competitions. i don't like being silent. well, that's the truth and take my hand, it calms me to look into the eyes, which also calm me, i'm very i love. and it is important for me just that the person is really with me. let's go back to your families for a bit. because for me it is approximately clear why nikita ended up in figure skating, because his mother is a wonderful children's coach. eh, even if she did not train. but she, as a coach , gave you some advice that you especially listened to. she e was near and is near throughout. all the time. she is even now what we do, for example, in shows or on

tours. uh when she comes there now calmly, without stress, look at the stands, and then there is always feedback from her, either it’s bad, or the guys need it, no matter how high the level is, if the olympic program is skating, it must be skated the same way as at the olympics, otherwise they no need to ride, that is, she is always in the subject, she always likes it. i really appreciate any advice. this is the most sincere and honest person. she taught me how to skate like nobody else skated. here in the younger group, when i was a single skater, i was jumping. here, well, it didn’t work out, maybe because just and not just not allowed to train parents. that fist just got out, you know, from the crack. well, a click on the door. my parents didn't let me out of there. here's the fist and that's it. that was your main motivator. vika, your parents were demanding in sports. they were demanding at the same time, but at the same time they listened to me

very much, they always listened, and advised my father, in general, such an approach was very correct , he helped me just somehow helped me to study, helped to stretch from me , stretched himself. even though she didn't want to. there were tears were other emotions. well, it was still very much like that, but somehow with the soul, that is , they always listened to me before and knew exactly what i needed in the 2014 olympic games in sochi, you performed in different compositions. uh, nikita skated with elena other and became a bronze medalist in the individual championship and olympic champions in the team. you were young, promising, paired with ruslan zhigashin, but after that you decided to stand in the spotlight. and it was not the easiest moment in your life, not only because you

broke up with previous partners with whom you had spent your whole life since childhood, but also because there were a lot of attacks from press fans, you were called traitors. how did you succeed afterwards? here are these meetings at the competitions of this respect for the public to pass? well, here i am, stas is much older and 10 times more experienced, i can say that i just did nonsense for a very long time reading all this. i read the comments and refused later so as not to tell. everything is in the snot. it's uh, just given up altogether social networks. and i still can't get used to it after that moment, and i was in shock. i read so much about myself in general, as if i were the worst person in general on the planet. that is, i don’t go in for sports now and i see that i have my own vision, and

either there are some reasons why this happened and why i want to do it, and achieve no less success, just achieve, gritting my teeth, go through all the difficulties and because of this, i’m not at all what i don’t get there, uh, some good feedback there or or just at least banal there is some kind of support. i get so much for it. manure is just like i 'm doing something terrible, really. i personally suffered a lot. i don't know, i 've shared. i can't even tell. did i share with you those moments there. uh, what i feel when i read, and i read really all sorts of different things. the first year was really hard. and vika, how did you go through it? you saw you read the homeowner that they just didn’t write. ah, they wrote in private messages, they just wrote in sms to the phone where did they take it? i don’t know the number , they wrote offensive words, they wrote terrible,

what i bought, what my dad bought there, in short. well, it's just that i laughed at first, but then you sort of read more and in reality. here you start. well, to believe that i, too, refused all social networks. i just went away from everywhere for three or four months, didn’t go in, just studied. the thing is, the first year was, of course, hellishly difficult, and especially the first competitions were very difficult, when we left, we came to moscow for the first time for the grand prix. i will never forget this at luzhniki. we and we got the grand prix with lena ruslan and we went out in the same warm-up, when we went out on the ice, we were simply whistled by the whole hall. it was just the next question. yes, it was tin. this is a podcast free program yamax tronkov and my

guests today are olympic champions victoria sinitsyna nikita cops. vika, did you ever allow the thought that it was in vain and maybe nothing would work out. and fear is different, that is for me. no, well, that's different. that is, when you go out, of course, you are there, you are not very ready physically or something else. of course i have, such. what can you possibly do wrong there? or mess up there, but it was fear, uh, or was there something, why? i did this never happened. that is, i am sure, always in my decision, and i always have goals. i always try to achieve it by all means, that is, i will grit my teeth,

work to achieve, no matter what, uh, not give up, that is, really like that. yes , even more than sometimes these are needed, but in everyday life , in ordinary life, it’s also so stubborn, well , in a good way, in fact, and well, it seems, champion wife. this, apparently, is all the same to the end, it is right to clarify questions right now. even if this is not required, in general, no one has said anything to you, you still always defend. yes, we have this, you noticed later. how did you manage to turn this uh attitude towards yourself, of course, with every a-a competition with every a-a day, it’s like nikita and i, well, we rallied even more, that is, some unpleasant moments pass, some that.

it connected ups and downs so much and made it possible to move forward. well, somehow it even got better, so it’s not in vain that they say that they fall somehow, so you fall, then you get up again and rise even higher. i’ll add that, of course, it was also important for us to prove all this ourselves. that's really the case, really the results are great loud results and the only way you yourself are satisfied, and now we have 1,000 wonderful fans who follow us , follow what we do and give wonderful gifts. and we are very grateful if you thought, nikita, i am most interested in this answer you when you won the world championship like this, that is, it is still a year before the olympics, but about those people who told you that you would not succeed. yes, of course, on

sofas with teeth and a sly smile in general , and i was always super very happy. well, here's to prove this it's here for me it's a huge kind of unreal. just like when there's a whistle or that's huge. uh, the arena is some kind of these people that i am alone against you now, it feels like this, and for me it's not that it's not that the game is life big argument, but for me it's kind of an achievement. um, well, i don't know, some sort of mission accomplished. you know, some small from and from this game and i felt satisfied, and also because i proved to her and to such people who do not respect, do not respect you or still do not respect you. it already did them. i made mine. sorry, eight years of your triumph have passed since 2014. this way these

eight years, if rewinding it was worth it but it was 100% worth it, it was a super super bright colorful segment in life, which well, it's priceless, it's just some kind of just a movie of several parts, you know , so i like how you once said that you once found it. i asked you a question during the ice show and you said you uh thanked vika for this roller coaster. i think that's the best comparison. i said so. yes, i remember exactly. this is this expression on the very first day when you held hands, you realized that yes, it’s all these rollercoasters that we talked about and that’s all, nothing worked for a very long time happened i listen, and as if i myself tell. three, probably, that's two or three years, we just didn't understand how you work day and night. even on

a day off there, nothing happens. it gets better, right? rolling down, understandable, but this is not what you expect. you still go in different directions, roughly speaking, you don’t even need to find fault with this in terms of technical. you just don’t feel that it’s a whole and it doesn’t work and mistakes a bunch of nerves, a bunch of and at competitions you can’t get used to the fact that the olympics just took place now in sochi and everything was so bright, and now you are a different couple and no one is watching at all that you performed there, uh, with another partner, you had a good result both in personal and in the team. it's all over again. and it's also hard to accept. although this is the easiest of what was and therefore and until the moment when there was a turning point in the year when we did not go to the olympic games in kinchany. it's just that this was the starting point, only

upwards, or that's all. and this is some kind of. ah, planetary mystery. here it is for real settled down when we went to the swindler. i even myself at this moment in the first year when you came to zhulin, i don’t remember much, as if there were some echoes of what was that was what interfered. maybe, maybe in my character, maybe in skating in ours there, i’ll interrupt you, firstly, you already skated at zhulin. before. yes , yes, sasha spent all his junior years and became the world champion became the champions of russia juniors, others on the left, then you moved to the group with nikolai morozov yes and this departure from zhulin, then a forced return to him. how did you even manage? it's like you, remember this conversation in general with sasha sasha , i want to go back to you, of course, he didn't come to the first local conversation. uh, pyotr vyacheslavovich durnev pyotr durnev is a wonderful trainer, technical specialists from alexander zhulin's team. so, uh, he

asked me tricky questions. eh, are you sure? how can we train together? here, where is zhulin with aleksandrovich, uh, we met the next day, in my opinion, well, it doesn’t matter already there another day. we met. he just said, guys, come on, i'm waiting for you to train, let's see, here we are a wonderful team. come and work i will be glad. that is. he immediately buried these grievances. we did not have a single conversation on this topic; in general, alexander zhulin is known, first of all , for raising tatyana to kurmans. kostomarov. these comparisons began, that vika looks very much like tanya. nikita becomes like roma how did you like such a comparison and did you want to be like

champions, wonderful comparisons are much better than compared when we paired up with vika , so uh, only honor uh, well, what can i say about vika and tanya, uh, really. it's just that there is a banal resemblance to the hair of the figure, they are tall beautiful blondes. uh, i know that one of the dresses in this insider info was made in tannin patterns for you and zhulin. he told me that he could not offer it to anyone, because it did not suit anyone. she just sat you down like it was done for you. yes, it is and and it was an olympic dress for a free program a and and it was so fleeting. let's. well, try it, just try it, and we attached it like that, i tried it on. really looks very cool. and i really liked it. most importantly, that is , i am still such a person that if i don’t like it, i won’t go out in this, i even breathed in.

it's some kind of confidence. we are still sovereign a little athletic people after all b. if i won at the olympiad, i didn’t even have this thought at all. that is the most important thing for me is just that i feel confident, that i like our olympic, tatyana and i skated a super star in a free program. we had a white dress all season. and we needed to change something. we didn’t succeed in any way and tanya undertook to make herself a yellow dress, in which she also explicitly said to feel more confident and went out and did everything, really. well , it might be subconscious. or maybe you're just being confident. i don't know how it works. well, for those who come to us only joined. i remind you that this is a free program podcast. i am maxim tankov and my interlocutors today are olympic champions victoria sinitsyna and nikita otsapapov. have you maybe had any role models in sports in your ice dancing, then you would like to emulate who you looked at and thought yes. that's cool. and it would be

nice to get closer. or maybe surpass. i can now name at least three couples. whom i have been following for at least three years in figure skating all my life, and even specific programs that inspired me in general and inspired me, which i reviewed important there for some periods of time. uh, but the closer it got to these olympic games. well, 2 years, 3 years. i realized that here you need to concentrate so much on yourself, so look at yourself to improve yourself. uh, every move you make, it just falls out by itself. here at this level, maybe just already old, that is, at the olympic games. i was already 30 years old and maybe somehow because of this it affected, but there it’s up to 22 at the olympic games in sochi, of course,

when you share the ice with tessa, and scott and world champions already then with charlie and meryl. eh, which is less? i have some kind of idols there, probably, as well as for you, maybe yes, cattle are paths and yet. it’s just some kind of people called for me, who i looked at and strove to be a partner like cattle. and this is wow then for you for yourself this is your motivator, right here and now plus even when you personally know these people, you inspired me a lot very much. well, they are our mutual friends. yes, only i am older and i generally grew up with them from juniors and in one of the conversations the cattle told me that nikita is generally, like, the best partner in the world now, but he lacks discipline. i think that the discipline that, for example, scott could say, because we still know very little closely. uh, i got her here with the arrival, uh, k-

to alexander zhulin and to our coach. and so, as i said. i just need to repeat myself. that's when everything is stacked. this is inner discipline, inner peace some and e. a completely new skill for me is the normal absolutely reacting to mistakes to the fact that you don’t succeed, that i never myself, well, could never allow it in my life, well, no mistake can happen. and if you go to the program entirely in training, if something went wrong, but it's you more. well, if this is, say, a program of 4 minutes and something happened in the first minute. well, you need to roll. everything in your head should be the perfect skate , there is always the perfect executed bunch. what a mistake, there shouldn't be any mistakes at all, and the point is. to if it doesn't matter what

happened to go further even better than it was even just to well, everyone forgot or thought at home. damn how cool. here, how great! he knows even more, tensed up even more inspired and let's go. they are even prettier than before. until then, despite this error. and the judge is also human. it seems to me, uh, unless, of course, it's an element that you failed. and if it could be some other things, and maybe not even will see. nobody that some mistake. there was and will forgive all many things. and this is very important, it was actually, as it seems to me, now that if it had come earlier, maybe some result would have been earlier. this is for me personally. it was very important for vic. what is zhulin's magic? why is he the number one coach in ice dancing in the post-soviet space

? i think it all depends on the fact that he feels his athlete very well. this is very important for a coach. and this is located athletes too to the coach. that is, we could approach alexandrovich with anything. they could tell us what we feel, how hard it is for us, or vice versa, that we feel so cool awesome. let's have more, that is. he adapted to us so much, he did not press very hard, but at the same time he kept him from relaxing. i think this is very important for a coach. and this helped us, apparently, and psychologically, he also never pressed. he's always like that, everything will be fine, everything will be fine. well, he never drove us anywhere, didn’t rush us, everything is fine. we adjusted to him, he adjusted to us, right now we felt

each other. apparently because of this , alexander zhulin now has a very large group. now your rivals in the russian national team have come with whom you have competed together for many years, and sasha and vanya. like, she sounds no jealousy, especially, maybe stepanova, we discussed this with vika quite recently and there is no answer yet. it may be, but it's just not clear while this is the off-season transitions. i want to see the guys in general er with the team with ours in action here. uh, maybe we can answer a bit later. well , of course, such a healthy, healthy, calm jealousy is present a little bit. and if suddenly alexander calls and says, nikit vik, i need you. also, when you came to you on the ice, tanya, for example, as i know, navka yes, and with some kind of light helped you come and help, for example, uh, vanya and sasha in

staging a program or in filing something i know, maybe psychologically you will agree to help in some way. i know how to answer here i'm not sure that vanya and sasha, uh, but we are the same age. i don't know if guys can or can do that. uh, here from them hmm it will go to zhulin, that maybe we will invite someone in our direction, maybe it's the depth that invited its eternal rival. i invited him to russia, i said, he is a five-time world champion. i don't care, i already won it. i have already proved everything to him, but i want him to share his experience with me, because if i want to skate further, i need someone new, some kind of coach who will give me something new. and let it be a very tough champion who i respect as a rival. listen, i think so then, if if he calls, if he asks e, we will come. so, no need to guess what the guys will think? i

ask you, are you ready to cool. the real champions you generally consider yourself to be in the future. maybe as coaches. are you ready to pass on yours to the younger generation, or vika, i’m not that ready. i really want to and i still do not understand at what point this should happen, because i know very precisely. what, what, to achieve, uh, a very cool high result. i owe a lot hours e to live on the ice with athletes who still need to find help. at first it's a huge path, perhaps, and now it's a fence, but it's no less difficult, and in general i really want the truth, i just don't know yet when, uh, when to start, maybe, well, you know better than anyone that if you want something, you definitely produced it. and you, i can say for sure, but about nikita that he just has

a talent for exactly how to teach? i'm shocked how similar to our couple, because as nikita explains and does not explain, well. nobody he he can tell in detail how everything is here, how the body should stand, he will not forget anything. he knows everything about every little thing, and it seems very useful to me, so i’m all for this in general for my knowledge, which, uh , vika and i often communicate very much on the ice. how to make it more convenient for us, to skate and so on, and i used to say very aggressively, somehow hot-tempered, probably, but i tried very hard. eh, this is because of maximalism. well, yes. do you want it to be better here and now 100% the same with me, i began to try,

because everything had to change. it’s just with the transition to zhulin to explain in a different way, a little more intelligibly, calmly stop yourself to show more times, if necessary, and it’s in the explanation, it seems to me that i began to feel very quickly that just a person begins to understand faster, although it seemed to you . why don't you understand that i want you, people understand what you want from them? and of course, i am generally grateful for the knowledge to everyone in the center, starting from my mother, who gave me all the most ingenious basics she gave me for my whole life, and here are nikolai morozov and marina zuya and alexander zhulin from all over the team. and all the people who participated, in general, in this one in my sports life. i thank everyone. i keep everything in my head. and i hope that here, uh, when once, when i became a coach will help in case by chance, i realized that really every coach. he gave you something. and even if you have

a grudge against some coach. you know what not to do. and this is also a cool experience, and one that helps you. in coaching. most it will be difficult to kill the athlete in yourself and become a coach, and not be. and here i am, and i did. so this is the hardest part. and you, vika, as i understand it, are ready to just be nikita's muse, i also really want to convey. uh, my experience and knowledge in any case , but so far i have no desire to directly give myself as much as possible as a coach to spend all the time, for example, at the rink, until i have one, maybe i will, then my opinion will change, but i'm ready always help and be. nearby you see someone now in russian ice dancing, who is able to achieve? well, at least you haven't had any success yet. what needs to be done? how to change, what needs to be changed in the russian approach to ice dancing, so that we have some kind of material that

can reach the olympic peaks, in your opinion, i should be called as a coach. sasha you heard everything. nikita always ready guys, well, on this, i think on a positive note, our conversation has come to an end. unfortunately, i chatted with you, probably until the morning, but our air time is not rubber, just like our time in figure skating programs. thank you very much for decorating our broadcast today. you just shine two loving hearts. thank you very much. thanks a lot. we were cool. it was a podcast, a free program. i am maxim tarankov and we are today's guests , olympic champions victoria sinitsyna and