did you have a magical warp that was creepy? when i got pregnant, he started his own business, he left show business and started, so just when i gave birth, everything was harmonious. i just then thought that it's great that you have come to some kind of smooth happy family life. and that is, after this beautiful plateau, it began, as i understand it, gradually. yes, yes gradually why because you began to resist, what did you do your husband did wrong, that everything was fine, look, first of all, there is more very important point. you know what he said, he tells me, they devalued this plato. this is a plateau of exactly happiness in general, in which there were no flashes of these prominences that burn everything out. you understand, this is ah, shortness of breath from happiness, and this experience they decided that it

was boring. how bad it shouldn't be. well uh-huh but let's say, how boring, probably in 10 years. i came to this. after the birth of my daughter, that is, during this five-year crisis. at that time, i lived with the thought that i didn’t care, i want to live in a different life, that i have completely different needs. i want to travel the world. i need communication. i need emotional experiences because i write songs. that is, i cannot limit myself to everyday life, and at home alone i have nothing to write about, that is, i have no feelings, no emotions, in general. i felt like i was dying. you see, that's why friends, in fact, are friends at last, if you are not a servant, how are they muses? yes, or if it’s not difficult for you, yes, then get out yourself, too, there is no creative person. choose normal people not creative. yes, it's very difficult. this is very

difficult. i don't understand at all. i know, when we broke up, in general, when people stay , they usually go to see astrologers as a psychologist. that's it. yes? of course i went too. and they told me that for all the horoscopes there , for all the cards in general. we are the most unsuitable people for each other in general, that is, here, who have nothing in common at all, how we lived for 20 years. it's because here is our crazy love, you know, oh, i have difficult feelings about this story, because on the one hand. and now i see natalia which well, anyway, very convincingly tells us what happiness that she came out of this divorce? well, of course, pretty wounded shabby, but ultimately happy. yes, there is a feeling of some kind of correctness, or it was definitely a gift. uh, the fate of heaven aged in vain. it's true, i don't believe it. you know what his. i don't believe. here is this one. e in this doom

is predestination. it seems to me that after all , at some point, we make mistakes that can be avoided. we do not have enough wisdom to prevent them or not enough. us, maybe, some kind of humility, lack of pride, to correct these mistakes, and then, of course, when the firewood is broken and when, in general, there is nothing to collect from sawdust. you start to look inside yourself. well why would that be true? i think you know the most important moment, which is that we were just approaching the threshold in our forties, somewhere up to 35-40 years old. that is, when you clearly understand. and how do you live? uh, your life, whether it's the way you dreamed or otherwise, and you already understand, this is not a mid-life crisis. yes yes classic, when we start thinking from one side of death on the other side of our youth.

here, they bribed a little land in the cemetery, they bought a motorcycle here, yes, well, i’m like that if you’re under 30, you understand that you’re still just looking for and you’re still yes, everything is ahead, and at 40 you already understand that, in principle, well, as it were plus or minus, but you've already come. you should already understand. this is how you live, you like it. that is, i now live 10 times more life, which suits me just for me. well, you probably allow for yourself new relationships, including them now there are now, of course, now they are just a hundred times more harmonious than what looks like what you had in the first years with your first not at all. and what in general what distinguishes, and you know you, so he endlessly and madly, like the first loves. ah, but how do you know? how did the woman feel? this proof, of course, your feelings want. no, of course, women feel, everything if you don't know, they, if you don't know,

this is proof, that's how we are women, i'm faster. he, and then we think what we weren’t such a disappointment at first sight, but uh, that is, it’s so gradual, but for the first time in my life, and hmm felt and felt what it was. hmm, not at all. i came to this conclusion. now with you michael speak look with my first husband. we looked at each other, then, when we looked at each other, it was not as if we were no longer interested in looking. we just turned around. so, and in my current relationship, we look in one direction, you understand each other, but in one direction, that is, this is a relationship in which you are infinitely interested talk in which you are interested in watching the same films uh, share books that you have read and ask for opinions about them, where do you like to walk around the city and the person likes to walk around the city

on foot, for example, well, that is, here from little things. in a relationship in time four and a half years, if a crisis comes , will you keep this relationship or will you also say, give me a sign like me natasha , we have crises. even now, yes, tell me , probably, in two or three years, how would they first begin like this, when we have crises happen. we, well, personally, the two of us are comfortable just taking a break. that is, for example, we do not know there 3-5 days a week. we just don’t communicate, that we can put our heads in order, so that, well, we can look at the situation in a different way and already then it’s possible to talk and already look at everything differently, well, somehow, here we are like this, if only you with this wisdom of time have returned there the colleague the first crises. if the story could have developed differently in your relationship, it could not, because

i am speaking from the very beginning of the position. this is how we had it all. more from natalia such constant happiness comes, i did everything right for me and i live happy. i'm great. i made this. right. i meant that it was right that we broke up. yes and this is it, as if you, uh, carry such a motto, as if you are learning not to be afraid of divorce. yes, all the time i get the feeling that it is as if she is trying to persuade herself. yes, do not be afraid of divorce. yes, my life has become happier, yes, yes, yes. well , that is why it is good, i myself am an example of this. why i say, because once every six months , driving to that house, where you were together, where you were happy starting out just don't deny it you know? natalie what are they, right? page 100%, 100%. it doesn't matter, yes, and uh kick your heel in the chest, that divorce is the best thing that happened? it's strange to say that

divorce is a wild tragedy, it's also strange, but life goes on, normal human oh friends. what a conversation we have today, we continue to write a book, the best most interesting book of ordinary lives, ordinary destinies, in which there is no absolute happiness. e absolute grief is not black and white. we just live we live quickly short, but so interesting and deep and with pleasure friends, we share with you. these are the destinies. thanks to our heroes for this and today we thank natalia thank you very much. thank you, natalia. i am a journalist natalya loseva and thought, a leading clinical psychologist, candidate of psychological sciences. mikhail khors podcast psyche podcast, paws subscribe and watch us on the website of channel one.

hello dear friends on the air of channel one podcast melodies of my life today we have a guest artist of russia a great musician and my great friend and storyteller igor butman igor well , actually, melodies are what makes our life magical and through them when you need to remember something. we remember everything down to the smallest detail, so i will only give modest, leading questions, because i know that the charm of a conversation with a friend. it speaks for itself today only about you, my dear so the melody of childhood. well, that's all that is connected, it is clear that she is not alone, but uh, just to u thanks to this melody, the options

to remember, in general, how from the moment when you do you remember yourself? you know, i was probably only, well, about two years, when i constantly listened to the same song, i found this record and put it on the old ruler, belarus there was both a receiver and a record player and there was a song of this from marina marina marina they even hid this record from me, my grandmother hid it, but i still found it. i am some kind of italian. his surname disappeared, and the author remembered the fate of the grenade. but you know, there could be someone from the south of slavs, do you remember there that this is his, i recently took this record listen again. well, it seemed to me that you were sawing female voices, and perhaps, but, and everything that is on the internet, everything will appear. here is rock pomegranate and others drank. eh, and i also remember, almost catch prima sang. you are

my favorite, right? i mean, this song is pretty good. well, old, but we had it on a record from this. well, because these were such bonaseras. well, this, by the way , was also there, but it was also such a plastic one, in my opinion, it was a plastic record or a very small minenchik like that. here i am on it on it i heard this song and i was torn away from this melody. well, i would run myself.

long before, when philip kirkorov performs this song with pleasure, long before them, igor mikhailovich notes, probably from kirkorov, i performed it. no, of course not. well, firstly, your mother is mariola, yes, that is, in fact, a chicken, grandmother, beloved, grandmother, marina borisovna, with whom we lived for a long time and she is wonderful. in general, this is us, the most important in our family according to the pedigree , therefore, of course. and marina marina, i'm marina called her grandmother. no, i had another song that our neighbor's dad sang. it was also a song youth borispochemkin wrote this song. and then, too, that's all, it 's us, they sang there, and our neighbor. it appeared wonderful in our house. yeah well, how do they have fun? i'm not looking at um this sad note, because your dad and i even played together. uh, your

dad is a brilliant drummer in oncology at jazz, uh, mikhail solomonovich is excellent. well, that's nice, which is great. he played and nice that we can remember, as long as our parents are alive, someone stands between us for eternity. this, of course, is grandiose, tell me, but from childhood nothing foreshadowed jazz is hidden, then. yes, that is an ordinary melody wide absolutely i liked it. i liked everything about music, but especially pop music, which was popular then. and in general. i grew up. and so like a drummer. i also took chopsticks at home doing twos. there was a game. uh, we had a piano, but i didn’t go to music school, but a girl came to me there such private lessons were prepared. we can at the music school. why did you do this for 3 months? or maybe six months, and then they left the center of fontanka and moved.

health, which is called the jolly village so, yes, and now, somewhere, 3 years have gone altogether. just for sports for hockey there i don’t know for anything. in general, yes at the same time. yes, a little later even a music school, a little later came with him at the beginning captured. you are , in fact, this broken line and not even according to your today's exploits, the night hockey league is not only a but friendship with everyone the main hockey players of our time, but also because you are on a professional level, this is stalingrad. yes, and then i went. that's right, at the clarinet music school, when i already took the corners, i began to play some of the same pieces of hmm academic music, and maybe there were also elections of roman braids, flight of the bumblebee. but young igor butman and rock and roll. here's what i'm interested in. this is what a joint it appeared. i met

another guy at a music school. to study uh from our teacher and they stole alexandrovich sand, and he was a fan rock music, he had records, she had a comet tape recorder. even the fourth form made friends for him came. ah, well, we picked up the guitar at school. that started with the guitar, but first it was the repertoire. local-instrumental console, damn, the songs showed me the chords there. i began to practice there for sure. and with this poison, he brought to his house and put the horn on the record, and i was stunned. and who was it? it was a maiden diploma album, jan is a live album and that's it. i was amazed, but the thing is, i think i have captured not only the music of the diploma itself, how they perform what is jazz notes. there were already there, that is, with a huge, so to speak, pressure, a huge

loudness drive, and in general, not uncomplicated melodies, but played with such a return , jon lord and ritchie blackmore and bian-pace were heard. drummer. it's just that for me as a young drummer, yes, it's a stunning impression that he talks like that in hi-hay. yes? yes, yes, and this is yanteis - it is, in general, a derivative of jazz. the drummer is very close in terms of his manner by sound. e. well, ritchie blackmar. well, his virtuosity with the guitar is also noteworthy. well, jazz swing solos. lazy is there, let's say, yes, there or where he plays there . jon lord quotes him there, he sits with me. e, if we talk about the purple association, i heard at the beginning how i was visiting my grandmother at the dance in the city of perm and dancing is e, in my opinion, the seventy-first year or not, a little later, 74

seventy-fourth, because uh , it was a hit from mann hat, but not hyped, uh, but a song called space stracing. yes, retreat papa papa, here are these syncopations, as there, of course, sent out. and what song do you have? de purple well, of course, he could. plant. well, this is the greatest riff of temporary peoples in music stores in the world, usually in the guitar department it says smoke plant and a stairway to heaven. well done damn it, do not play because you have to cherish the seller, how is it? well, obviously everyone knows this. here it is yes , yes, sometimes we sometimes even insert our oleg kuratov wonderful you know, i really

liked it, in my opinion, this is mister kaganat it was called somehow, when now it is already a familiar genre in the lounge style, there you can take some kind of rock hit in such a salon and you are unrecognizable. she was done. here is the last one in bosonov. i mean, there's an orchestra playing it all right there, but we're just different, like we are, when we play a dedication to benny goodman, then i'm left alone and some tunes. uh, what come to mind when inserting once i came. here is the melody he could, his name was, and then we switched to the road, our evgeny god played rock eduard even played the zigzag, uplifted, so to speak, and oleg neatly sang he could forget it, and we just went from jazz, as if unfit, then came back, because the concept had to be finished. igor has now listed the brilliant musicians from te-igor will be with us and edik zig edik hello to you and zhenya by god and i am

very pleased that oleg kuratov was your pupil. oh yes, a hero hero in one of the seasons of the voice program, where oleg , of course, just revealed himself as a brilliant jazz musician , he was well known in circles even before participating in the voice, but now virtually everyone knows him country like a brilliant guy. i want to say that oleg is unique, he sings in any language of the world in any language absolutely without any accent, which is absolutely surprising, and he is able to remember. e blind from birth man so developed his skills. uh, memory that he actually u tell him a song let's say i told him flamy, then get married in russian . he told me valery a trifle, just don't say it, and she said it was necessary to produce and he shines now, uh, with igor in the orchestra.

just in full growth it's nice to remember brilliant musicians thanks to the visit of a friend, and the first jazz igor is this acquaintance with jazz and i also want to uniquely say that one of the main arrangers now in the moscow jazz orchestra is nikolai la vinovsky, the same legendary uncle kolya who, uh, was led by oleg gra and we are boys understood that it is absolutely not achievable in height in the possession of tools. here's how your transition from hockey to jazz came about. the thing is that in the rimsky-korsakov music school in those years at seventy in the fifth seventy-seventy-sixth year of leningrad, uh, a decision was made in the central committee of the party to open a jazz variety department in music schools and conservatories on time. well, because there was not yet rock that captured the minds and jazz seemed

the lesser of two evils, because cultural music is improvisation, people still think they are interested in developing many directions. the horn was still more foreign music than jazz, because it was more popular than rock. rock and roll music captured the minds of the whole world, so it was decided to make a jazz jazz music professional or professional ensembles. such as nikolai ledovikov arsenal alexei kozlov e, the orchestra received the status of jazz. we opened the school and i appeared. he studied at the music school on the clarinet. and about a man named gennady holstein, a wonderful saxophonist in the soviet union, about whom there are legends in leningrad and legends in moscow. and although we at that time no longer began to play the saxophone and engage in early music from the 17th-18th century. i saw him all the time. uh, i saw saxophonists at the school. uncle. misha from ddt then. it was mikhail chernov, oleg

is now being forged as the head of the leningrad population. it was all people already. they were older than i was 14, and they were already under 30. well, then they were generally old people and, accordingly, when they were, and they sometimes gave concepts, it was a complete east in the first place, they had an excellent department of instruments. it’s not like we and i. although i studied the guitar, but it was all wrong, so to speak, and on the clarinet i already played the classical president, quite complex, and somewhere i took the saxophone in one of the palaces culture took safon and he sounded me. i realized that i, my father, said, i play on the internet, then you switch to sex. and so i switched to the saxophone. well, if, respectively, just appeared with safon , jazz jazz melodies immediately appeared. well, one of the first is fallen leaves, right? and it was the first spontaneous. well, what are you in your time yes no , great melody, nightmare yes, uh girl osman

and it was revelation and the americans played and we played and the melody is not so difficult to remember, but it gives such a musical jazz fantasy that it's simple. my gaze

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in the moral code, the serezha mazaev group kolya keldeev, uh, igor played with them somewhere in moscow and in fact we met. so, well, at a friendly level, the hats shook hands, and we even talked a little bit, and i knew that there was such a fungus. there further in ninety that year, i am with a viola who is expecting a child. as tourists in in february 906, i fly to america, see new york and return with the artist more red. i see a man at the airport whose face seems very familiar to me and i ask borya the red. it's not igor by chance, what boris said to me as a joke or a prank, it's his brother. and in

confirmation of this words, when we first saw each other, you had such long hair. and here there was already a haircut, which we are already accustomed to, all the classic igor buton will call it that, and here on the plane the long flight from new york to moscow is talking. i'm my brother igor butman. i say, you know, i'm very pleased. i am very pleased with you. you have a very talented brother. igor really has a brother, oleg is a wonderful drummer. junior brother. what does the egr say? yes yes and you from my brother are familiar. i speak. yes, of course, he is a brilliant saxophonist. who oleg says, i say which oleg igor and that his brother was different. so i have igor will be fine. you that it was so funny, so you remember, and then we spent unforgettable. e meeting at the olympics is a little later, because most importantly, dear women, we are men.

they said sometimes, but it's all the same, and for you , a melody of love, well, firstly, an i apologize again for the absence at the wedding there were, but i'm so much more important than money that you now appeared in life. thanks for the criticism. thanks come on you love. what is it for him. well , you remember our favorite cartoon. bremen town musicians, i already now i guess. i remember just-only i was some years old, probably 7-8. we are in a pioneer camp with a huge stop, on which a bell sits and every day practically stood this plate still with comments. do you remember when the valiant guards boldly rushed to the leak, when i have any two sounds, if the voice is muslim magomayev, if

the saxophone is igor. gennady golovkov the sun will rise and will always rise for you, dear women. thank you for being in our life, but i'm like a bath leaf,

imagine today your acquaintance with the charming anna well, it happened in chelyabinsk, it could only happen at the festival of jazz and humor. where else is it? where? what is she? where are you without humor? get to know young, but deep relationships are tenderness and a sense of humor, therefore, i think it should be done with humor. we must go from the depths. no need. here is the surface. you know? these well, in general , came to me, a wonderful girl to interview, and we talked with her. i say the heart, yes. well, it was clean, so to speak acquaintance is real. so we just met, then we talked, talked, but u didn’t

foreshadow anything, so to speak. uh. here are some big changes. well, then it happened that she came to moscow and finished graduated from the conservatory of the institute of art in chelyabinsk. she studied as an opera singer who knows music brilliantly, especially classical academic opera , everyone knows. there is something to talk about, there is something to learn, and then he knows how to make friends very well. and the world of opera led me and thanks to her i met eldar and with e between korchak and all all all of my anna netrebko and her bloggermal. well, aida garifullina, all these are our primas, which o, whom she says admiration, plus there maria well and elena

vasilievna exemplary vishnevsky well, in general, all those who are great, they told me everything about this, history. not just listed who namely the historian. how what happened. so umm. you know, well, in what years i thought that i would ride you. i have seen 100 years of living and well done. and she also hosted a program, which we unfortunately stopped continuing because of some circumstances, therefore, well, we also had jazz fan-tv for a while, where she was brilliant interviewing musicians. e, talking. it was very lively such a really tv interesting thing that happened. so, that's how we got to know her, and then suddenly it's from friendship because of such good rural relations. turned into love. and this is where it all ended. uh, our wedding would have ended with anniversary weddings, which you will definitely come to. i still don’t have such promoters who can now separate me from the family of the game and anna, we smoothly

here with this melody, it was not by chance that i called magomaev’s muscle because it was he who voiced all the characters in his voice except for the footsteps of the application in the footsteps of the bremen town musicians. this is where a lot of people are confused. this is such a small reference. it's a famous song. hmm, the whole world is in our hands. we are the stars of the continents. it performs for me it was amazing to learn it from the first source. eh, here. uh, gennady gladkov from a jew. is she, are they the authors of this ? hmm, the whole cycle the bremen musicians played the pesers, imagine pesnyary recorded, but since it was a pronounced belarusian drift. and it was necessary to show abroad uh, and for the guys, and all these combat chips and this song are recorded in his voice, but

since at that moment he was already uh, he was not in the credits, he was not registered in australia. this is true and pesnyary, the rest is all magomayev and , of course, oleg konofry in the first part from love, when igor is sad, it’s not necessarily so sad and still the saxophone is always with you, wherever i am or mikhalych, whether it’s a tourist trip, during -firstly, he is somehow a real musician who practices a lot on the instrument. this is how i am a colleague. i say in the workshop, do not quit then. secondly, it's just him talking to them. and so, when you e such a bright sadness, that's what kind of melody is associated with this associated with, but one day, you know, many people sometimes ask how you wrote some kind of melody, it's not clear how it came, you know? how does she leave because if you did not have time to record it, then you

passed it there, yes, and therefore all the great composers and all the great writers. well, your friend is a comedian and the great mikhail zhvanetsky, he always went in a briefcase. if something came to him, he immediately writes it down, because memory is. here it is improvisation in life, it happens all the time, but it needs to be written down, so that later sometime some kind of story or some kind of melody can be made out of it. here it came too no no no, it’s clear where the melody came from, which at the moment and i can say that it’s amazing that this melody sounds only in one key miminor, if you play it in a surname or another, it’s not so not so soul pluck. you need the instrument. this is thanks to the ranges and and all. here are the features. she came. and so she and when i'm sad, when i'm happy. you are a soldier, you always still think that he will not always be like that from you joyfully and it will not always be like this if you are sad and look for a melody that keeps you and your

body. nostalgia came to her. well, the way i lived then in america. therefore, i really had nostalgia for a year. it was hard enough for me. i called all my friends and told david goloshchekin i took my first employer as an outstanding jazz musician, if from st. petersburg anyway further. i say, give semenovich. i 'm playing here with all the americans. you are a better star, well, because he couldn’t leave then, that is, either how should i look for new ways when i was young, or should he stay in the soviet union, so to speak. well, he was a brilliant musician, and he heard it there in america and that's why i wrote this, dear friends. let me declare myself that you are nostalgia for you. for the brightest for love, may your life always be love, and my friend igor butman will always play for sexophoning, only for you i ask.

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