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i remembered now the roof of the athens 2004 olympics against the backdrop of the acropolis of
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a world-class architectural structure, a world-class jazz quartet played. igor butman. i sang. there, too, sounded nostalgia connects us so much. here these joint and houses were crying neighboring houses were crying at the explosion. and you know, now you were playing and some kind of nostalgia comparable to goodbye america in your life was goodbye america in the face of such an act also left. graduated from berkeley is the best musical. uh, an institution where you can become a musician of the highest e, category and returning to russia, he actually raised his interest in jazz. speaking, i think that your title of people's artist is absolutely deserved, because igor mikhailovich, in addition to the absolute brilliant possession of instruments. he what
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a jazz musician looked like, in my opinion in soviet times, and all jazz musicians, basically cried, which, of course, and here i could give this somewhere in america. i really liked how one of your musicians, who returned from america, was looking for valera. america is such a country. i could be there as a musician make a career. i say, well, what did the genius not do, there was an answer. with such a hand i said, i don’t know how. but igor he knows how to raise interest in us they began to come with tours to numerous festivals, which igor, as a producer hmm, now patronizes at the beginning with the producer, now he supports and i am a modest guy from moscow drinking. on your sixth birthday yes, the decompaniment of the moscow jazz orchestra, which , together with the windomn orchestra of mars, was
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on stage, i was talking to winton now how is it with you, if someone told me in my childhood that i would m-m communicate with such a jazz block, so no one imagines it to me as a child, what is this moment, because you have a festival all year round festival trium jazz so triumzhaz, which, in my opinion, has been going on for twenty-four years already and, in my opinion, next year we will have 25 music house of music, stupidly speaking, then the geography will expand in st. petersburg concert of the big end of the concert hall october. we have concerts in tula, which are also annually festivals are held there as well. the fact is that jazz music is interesting and amazing, and therefore we have a lot of fans. uh, generally good music and weird and jazz and classical academic music. and it just needs to be played absolutely at the
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level at which we expect, and at which we know the masterpieces of all kinds of music recorded today. i understood that when everything happened, that we have. we have fans. we have the most well-read audiences, the most educated very curious ones are ready for experiments and at one time such ensembles as the ensemble, arkhangelsky or gomel tarasovich, kasin or or, in my opinion, the mechanic sergey kulyokhin, were supported, there was complex music , not easy, there were many actions that were contradicted, but our audience accepted it , then, it's clear that this is a woman, and they bring men to concerts yes, yes , yes, well, in a pinch, in a pinch, yes, men bring, because there is something to talk about music. we need to talk about something. you have to change your impression. possible on site someone might not like it. but if you didn't like it together, it's all
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for the sake of life, you know we are thanks to today's meeting, and i have a small request for an offer. we've already done it for you. uh, my arranger michael did. uh, a good reading of well-known melodies, and we play with the orchestra with the moscow jazz orchestra. we actually have a whole program. and you have a publishing label, that is, a company that sets the music. we need to fix this. there will be mana sutkins, so you know the hell, well to make such a musical gift, and at least by next spring to please already on vinyl, as we love. it is necessary to fix and leave to give, because people are waiting for igor mikhalych thank you for continuing. here you are a faithful keeper and
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propagandist of jazz, without you we hear nowhere , we understand that it's just we hear jazz, without bootman. boring is not fun, the walk will be. even if we close our eyes we hear jazz and you think it will be a normal friendly program. that's the way it should be. taking advantage of the opportunity. i invite you to all the concerts of 11 festivals under the patronage of igor mikhailovich butnaya, there are international programs taking place in russia. now you can find, uh, the most unexpected corners of the globe with a saxophone with a smile and wishes you all the very best, the most important thing is love, and today in the final of our podcast the melody of my life, my guest, my friend igor butman, his saxophone and his feelings of my melody life on the first igor mikhailovich i ask a little story, because we talked about
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hockey, and you know when my friends, hockey players of all generations alexander yakovlevishevich come to my on my on my on my concepts. and as soon as i see them, and guys, even my musicians, you understand that if i played this melody, it means that there are exact hockey players in the hall, and all the exits on the ice are connected with this song, when i played capa i remember when i have photos where i bring out our team church, which played such matches and training for before the trip in the seventy-fourth year to super series to canada. i'm small, very close to me stands volchkov himself alexander yakushev well, a little further they put mikhail in petrov kharlamov. these are photographs, therefore this is my most joyful melody.
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this is a podcast of the tunes of my life on the first i am valery syutkin with you was my friend people's artist of russia igor mikhailovich butman hello with you schrödinger's cat podcast and i am its presenter grigory tarasevich chief editor of the magazine also do not believe the schrödinger code and we
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will talk today unexpectedly at cats and together with our guest miroslav volkov , a professional animal psychologist. we'll talk about what our fluffy. these are the ones that run, purr, and meow, in fact. this is a big serious scientific topic miroslav once again. hello. let's start with history, look. here is a popular book in the code that is often written was domestic then, then, then, then, then, how did people find out when and where there was a domestic cat, to begin with, we need to understand what domestication is, that is, and this is the process when the cat came to our house, and we became her perceive how? well, for example, family members or when only we began to get to know her and select individuals from the wild. ah, on the basis of loyalty to the person and applying.
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this is an animal for some purpose. and for example, the most banal and most dominant theory that we now think is the protection of grain, when we have already settled well enough from rats from mice and other rodents, and accordingly the preservation of our supplies, so that we can survive there in winter and other unfavorable times, as i remember earlier they wrote in books the cat for the first time became the home ancient in egypt remembers the goddess bucks, remembers all sorts of images of cats. well, i've read the latest works, well, the last decades, and it turns out that everything is much more complicated. there's a whole detective there. uh, there was a discovery in cyprus, they found the tomb of some ancient local person. next to 40 cm lies a corpse. sorry kitties. there are no wild cats in cyprus, that is, he was specially brought there and specially buried. how did people even know. how many years have these finds been written all the time
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for some years, right? see there carbon. we consist of it in many ways, we eat it, and so on and so forth, but up there. i mean, not in the authorities, but in the upper layers of the atmosphere, cosmic rays make mistakes on atoms and radioactive carbon appears, 14. it reaches us, we eat it. it is in our body. do not be afraid. we are a little radioactive because of this. well, when we stop eating, that is, we die. it begins to decay at the same rate , its rate is stable, 5,700 years of semi-decay , and by the amount of this from a corpse, you can quite clearly define when one or another subject. ct life went to the world. other and so were dated these remains in cyprus and there will be nine and a half thousand years. and this partly immediately reveals the history of the causes of the domestic day, because
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in general there was only one, in my opinion, important revolution in the world , they consider the october french american revolution, this is the neolithic revolution, when people stopped doing only to gobble up what they caught they collected and began to accumulate something. and then there was a problem as you already said, rats , mice, rats, you are in the sweat of your brow, there some kind of stone or hoe built up grain for yourself, uh, collected it in a hangar. the tailed one came there, the creature ate it. you know how embarrassing. well, yes, such a one. and here it wanders somewhere, which means some kind of wild creature, which turns out to be useful. and they seem to have agreed that the current cyprus is the middle east, turkey is a little bit of iran, iraq is like cats there, at least carbon analysis proves it, but then there is a whole bone war for the right to be the first cat. this is where the egyptians came in.
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they say, no no, we have the remains of cats that had a clear fracture of the stamina of the entire bone and after that they lived for a long time, otherwise they were looked after, which means that this is a truly domestic cat. here come the chinese. not at all. the first cats were ours. here, look at them fed with millet. we figured it out somehow. just the first culture in our area. ours used to be, but not quite like the chinese, they didn’t feed the crumbs. they just had a cat that ate a mouse, which in turn. i am a question. that is, they have would be a little more complicated and technically reckon with the europeans. and in particular. well , they are like oxy-europeans with the people of the east of ancient civilizations. that's how we call it. of course, they really compete in this , but, naturally, they agreed a little on one thing that the chinese they really tried to domesticate an animal cat, but they tried to breed their native breed, which
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would be bred from local wild cat species. but then, when a european cat, a domesticated steppe, came to them. still. she ousted, like torture to bring their breed out of their wild cats, because she was already ready, roughly speaking, she was already domesticated. she was military to man. she has already been selected for the ability to catch these mice most effectively. at the same time, we not only kill them, but also bringing them, so to speak, reporting. here and actively cooperate with the person in this matter. and so they gave up trying to bring their own experiments on breeding their own domestic cat. look, here comes the second question. who directly? an ancestor in there are a lot of wild cats in the world and there was research based on another method , another buzzword besides radiocarbon dating. this is the mitochondrion, the mitochondrion is ours. well, also such a domestic creature by and large.
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eh, a bacterium once lived, and it liked living inside cells so much that it became part of our cells; it has a small dna of its own, which biologists love very much, because it can be used to trace absolutely the entire history of the genus, because it is transmitted only from the mother and americans took a thousand different wild domestic cats and a variety of cats and compared the genomes that mitochondria. and it turned out that our domestic cats one species as an ancestor is aesthetically pleasing. yes, this is the steppe she is the near east one spotted filipsika. yes, it is the most then we just started to select. and when we had, ah, not quite so in theory in theory, unlike dogs. we didn't pull her in. it was she who began to come to us. that is, if we selected the wolves according to various signs, and they themselves somehow
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approached us, we domesticated them or under the camera and left at home tamed trained and so on. i got on various grounds that would be useful in different categories of the economy for hunting for protection. for anything . here, with cats, everything is a little more complicated. we just took a steppe cat to ourselves and in fact. we didn't do anything with her. we had stocks of grain. we have already become sedentary animals. and accordingly, we went on like this. well , i would say that the rapid economic development is due to the fact that we have the resources that we protect from someone more, from whom there is no less, but at the same time they can disappear, and just the cat she helped us. by itself , solve the problem of preserving this grain from various parasite rats, mice, and so on through partnerships, but in fact, yes, business, what more? yes, because the cat did not receive human care, but at the same time she received some bait and the opportunity to hunt practically without borders, and at the same time
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her food ration expanded, because, but she received many, many different mice, and from here, how would we become breed her, and then she at the beginning we saw how beautiful she is, how cool she is. she began to get used to us. we began to get used to it and, accordingly , the windows became our pets. and it is believed that it was at this moment that the steppe mug. she turned into a domestic cat precisely on the basis of human loyalty, first of all, but at the same time she retained other, as it were, characteristics of her wild advent. this is the ease of hunting, they have lost the instinct to kill, because our cats are one of the few that love to kill, which people, it's for fun right, yes nature buzz kill it, and one of their features. many gardeners. they can see this, that is, when they let the cat out to run, the cat very often brings moles, birds, mice, and of all those who, perhaps, are left in front of the porch, but at the same time she does not eat her prey. a
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lot of people did not watch me in the video that the cat brings the mouse. she is still barely alive. she tries to escape the cat and catches again. i myself watched it in my city recorp. seven mice per day. and what about cats? uh benefit from the fact that the mouse brought us, and in no way is it just entertainment for her, that is, she brought it. well, because she thinks, this is her house, that is, he is in her house. that's what i said, and certainty is the source of resources. that is, it is food, water, warmth, shelter, affection, the owner, and so on. and just at that very moment, when her house was connected with some pile of grain, which must be guarded, because she knows that a mouse will come there. now she's our house, our apartment there, no matter where we live, she perceives exactly as a place where a certain pile of grain is stored, namely cat food, yes, which can be used as food, or a bait for this food, and therefore, naturally, we bring mice there, we need to bring them home, but rather, yes, she brings home her temple. and
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here i had the abode hypothesis. interesting. here is your opinion. why a cat, and not some other animal. here is my hypothesis that in general it's all about the optimal size, see the cat is big enough to catch a rat. um, well, not so big that it was difficult for me to feed if i finished. and i would say in another way that rats can't run out in the sense that cats are not really big enough to catch a rat, very few cats are able to catch a rat. i assure you, because, for example, we have a certain breed, such as maine coons, for example, american ones, which were specially bred to catch rats. we know they are much more, that's it physically more so that they can suppress a big plump, greedy, very smart and ferocious rat. that's because the rats are very difficult to catch the british. for this , even a certain breed of terrier dog was bred, which were focused specifically on hunting for rats. that is, they had their own
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, as it were, abilities for this, technically, as if a cat. for some reason, we have not changed in size, because nature itself made it such sizes. that is, if we put a typical domestic cat, even if there is some briggen from the yard, and suppose our felix libika, which the size of the painting according to the shape of the face of the ears, if well , there will be one in the water by our domestic cat. i think that the shoe, yes, and even you and i , just like that, the steppe cat will run past us, but we won’t even understand that this is not our usual domestic cat that we are used to. and it is precisely nature that we have preserved, because nature has created the ideal predator in this regard, that is, our domestic cat. it is much more efficient in terms of killing hunting and finding prey than any other predator. its dimensions are approximately from here. we have a rather big environmental problem, because our cats have spread like no other and , accordingly, when we let her out
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just like that for a walk, if we put her place of residence, like in the center of the circle here, we draw the radius of this circle somewhere 300 meters, then sooner or later there was practically nothing alive in this area. scary , but look at another study and read about the comparison of the genomes of wild cats of various kinds. and our home and of course the difference is very small. well, even from the photographs apparently, you can’t distinguish the steppe forest of our domestic vaska, well, there, already at the genome level , neurotransmitters are produced differently, that is, substances respond through behavior. that is, there is more dopamine, that is, she is more happy more affectionately. and it seems to me that this is largely due to this she is so integrated into our family. eh, when is it no longer necessary to catch mice? i 'm guessing it's, uh, the neurotransmitter system. she seems to be really plastic. it is plastic enough in all
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social animals, because after all, uh, lebec, she's more hmm not as social as a domestic cat. at least we have moved on, but 10 years of artificial selection have changed. firstly. yes, and , secondly, it allows her to adapt very actively. that is, we will look at the cat of ancient times, which is just. once i hunted mice near a pile, grain and cats, which now they perform completely different functions, but for us it is in terms of the social development of mankind. yes , exactly as the role of the development of our society, but at the same time, in fact, it is, as it were, so cool. eh, everything works. she adapts so well to our life to the conditions of life in the city to the conditions of life, and hmm with us who live in the city yes, because the style of our life has also changed in this respect and, accordingly, as it were , it’s understandable that her inner qualities too change evolutionarily, because
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let's move on to a domestic cat in the city of e , she understands this well. she murmured , murmured, flattered herself and got expensive food more expensive than sometimes i dine for us, why does she well, why? well, who are we going to do with? i would say so, because then with whom would we make memes. that is, that is , the source of memes is such a cultural fact, yes, but as a cultural factor yes, probably, but as a cultural factor, it seems to me that the cat is with us. that's how much she's been with us, she's a cultural factor, because if we take the ancient egyptians, who's going to draw, they've made a religious cult out of her. and yes, even they buried a cat along with, uh , a cemetery, and we’ll look at us, but cats
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never left our cultural life in essence, because if we look there is the art of er, the middle ages, if we look. fuck the renaissance about leonardo da vinci hell, cat was one of any characters. so let's say, we can conclude that the cat she has been in our culture for a long time, and she lives so close there and does not lose her position, and therefore, it is natural to display in art. like some, like here art is a mirror of our life. naturally, a cat, there is also a cat, and hence the memes and so on. we may be for this, or maybe be so that we can find, probably , the best friend nearby, because there are many theories in general, why do we get pets, in fact? are there any theories at all, how to explain this? i myself have two cats, a dog, a turtle, and so on, but why we can’t fully explain here is a difficult question, because here everyone is in their own garden and each of them has one. and for my good reasons for this, i
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prefer the theory that we redirect our parental behavior to animals in need of care. about someone not only. someone receiving some benefits, but in return we must also give something. it is in us. and when we do not implement this behavior. we get very large psychological deviations associated with the non-realization of this behavior and the cat. she lets us do it and the cat adjusts. is it true that they meow? uh, wild cats. only children, and adults only domestics, look here, in fact, there are two theories, some people say that cats communicate only with each other and others say, that cats, on the contrary, communicate only with people through this vocalization, yes, that is, they say, meow. that's the whole gamut of sounds that can't give up. they have learned to do it. only for us. actually. this is not so, because even if
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we look at just ordinary cats that have not lived at home for several generations. that is, for example, in the dachny plots in snt, anywhere we can observe when the din code comes to another and such a mormeow, you know, this is like this here he says, uh, the other answers him. well, like he meow, so he says, like, i can come up , hello, this is for them, this moore meow means, hello, i'm glad to see you, and the other is already looking at him and thinking, knowing. i don't know you, what is it you can expect some and so on. and then you can already follow the answer, like, you can come up to me, or i already don’t really want to communicate with you, here or a, for example, the other’s cat can hiss. here , or the most famous is the march cats, when they have such a deaf uterine we are more often, like a cow sound like this one for the whole area, in short, people think they are sitting, and this is all the localization it is, and it is correct
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, first of all, for communication between them. that's why we seem to be talking about the fact that they really are cats, they meow and communicate with each other, but it's another matter that they , of course, this is the behavior they speak, and the person is trying to understand them, the person understands them, and how they understand them from here . they improve it. they don't play along. we are now falling into this childish image in order to become children and receive more. uh, kormolaski and the others play along. it `s naturally. for them behavior. she wants to communicate, she meow, so she can scrub your bed. she can tear up the wallpaper. you can stand up and throw a slipper at her for her , this is also communication, you know? what's the deal all the same about the needs, except how to devour? that's when you pet her and why i even like it. well, because she is also a social animal in the sense that she also needs communication and also needs a format in case of receiving, of course, of course. that is, a form of communication that is focused on honest
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physical contact between different species, because when we pet a dog, when we pet a cat, we enjoy the release of warm oxidation, and in nature, who pets a cat is other cats and physical contacts between cats are stunningly rich among themselves in their diversity. that is, if we look at some animal populations of groups of animals, they are united among themselves, as a rule, cats that do not live at home, and the dike, by the way, some that live at home, they unite in some groups of comrades, so to speak, groups of friends, that is, it is difficult to call them, and it is difficult to call them a family, they are friends. these are just friends without any sexual text. and if they are sterilized, yes, they are , and so on, then this is a sexual connotation. it appears only during the breeding season, when the cat is ready. but it's closer to her really like to have sex. sorry, i don't have a cat. and how do we think that the cat no , i don’t know how it is, but the cat is not, it even hurts them,
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but as if nature is so arranged, that it programs the animal for a certain behavior, which leads to sexual intercourse and further birth, kittens. well, here they are. this is the satisfaction, as the satisfaction of instinct , you understand, it does not enjoy this in the understanding that we lay. but stroking all these pressings. it's not erotic already pleasure. yes , exactly, if we return to the fact that these groups of friendly cats. there is also such a meme, when you take your finger , stick it out to your cat so it shows approaches and the spout rests there. this is just one of the manifestations of behavior. maybe you have seen very often when daggers meet who are friends. this is how they greet each other with their noses. that is, they sniff and sniff like this. that's it. this is for them like hello, and here it is you - it's like one of the elements of physical contact, that is, usually it means that cats get along well with each other. one of those signs.
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determine if your cat is actually friends with you, and is it five they are together in the sense that you don't just have a bed and one code on one corner and another code on the other corner. we are together not like that, namely, when they are sleeping from embracing , embracing each other, relying completely on hugs, there is nothing indecent in this, yes, there is nothing indecent in a boy girl . this is a very important indicator. and another of the most important indicators is whether they stroke each other. this is joint grooming and when a cat allows another cat or cat or when a cat allows another cat to lick themselves, this is directly the highest manner of trust, that is , in this sense it counts, but they are ultra friends on ultra settings. that is, in the sense that they are so socially, naturally contact, that they are, well, just a very closely related group. listen like this in general, here you kindly describe the community of cats, which is directly enviable that i am not
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a home sapiens cat, because everything is difficult for homo to sap. i read some research, just on the psychology of pets, but not only them. what is their role in the family? they also play such, uh, psychologist anna the barbarian, who deals specifically with family systems, they live with animals, and everything is so gloomy there that kuta is such a deputy for resolving the crisis in parent-child relationships, marital relations, it would be nice if chris were married to break the crisis there on the radio, when the parents do not let the child go, well, psychologically, they take the cat. and everything seems to be fine, but the crisis remains unresolved and people would learn from cats to agree to communicate and be friends. i think it would be useful on the one hand. yes they really that's how associative they really are. we need it specifically for communication for treatment, maybe even our psycho-emotional problems, because technically we are shifting it onto the cat, as it were,
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the duty of psychotherapists. we have some kind of therapy, you know, and after all, if we ask the population, why did you get a cat , we will have two answers. the first answer is because she is beautiful, and the second answer is because i feel good with her, she will listen to me and, uh, i enjoy communicating with her and these words are communication. here you need to pull it out of context, and circle it in bold and you understand what i mean. kuchuringer’s podcast is with you, and i’m its host grigory tarasevich, editor-in-chief of the popular science magazine schrödinger’s code, and our guest is a wonderful expert miroslav volkov , a zoopsychologist and by chance, completely by chance, under the casting from schrödinger, we are talking about cats a question about the metaphorical role of a cat . who is this anyway? it's something very homely very childish very spontaneous. there
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is some universal image of a cat in these meme metaphors. it seems to me that the universal image of a cat is very well described by kipling and a cat that walks by itself, but it is described there, i would say close to ideal, because indeed a cat does not shoot in this way. she's great in her own way, babysitter. she keeps the hearth, but at the same time walks by herself. that is, it is a little bit independent from the man, that is, it cooperates with us on a number of conditions, but at the same time it remains, uh, a little apart. yes, that is, you understand, we like her precisely because of her independence, it seems to me because there is some mystery in it. that is, it even seems to me that it has some kind of perhaps erotic text, because in this sense we are also a cat very often in art.

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