musician, i mean, i will make a living not as a mechanic, nor as a machinist. though i dreamed of fraud. well, not a machinist, but to be a driver of a big ah, some kind of truck, you know such a machine that shines. this is you going to russia to sing. songs. here i dreamed. and here, but this is rushing about in childhood, when i was there four, three or four years old, and you sang in the children's choir. still not yet broken voice, of course, the voice itself was. it was a connection, of course. well, yes, that is, i had them choir, i had salfege. i had both musical literature and the piano. i learned to play. that night, something somewhere did not go at the same time, i was bored. well, yes, i had so much energy that it was boring for me to sit and learn, uh, various miracles of czerny and bach. so i gave up this business, so

i went to high school. thus, i seemed to have more time, and i devoted this time to friends, sports and other various interesting things, if, of course, you remember our conversation with dima hvorostovsky, but i told him i say, appe may have sung, but i didn’t disappear everywhere and sing where you got this opera from? suddenly manifested after all, because you're telling. and also sports. yes, it smelled , there, uh, the group and the nirvana group black shapass, what is prince igor to us. what is prince igor and who is this konchak, you understand? it is truth too. apparently i did not see this perspective, i did not intend to at all. well be an opera singer. well, okay, i came to study vocals, so that hmm go then to the philharmonic, and to sing songs i don’t know a mahom. eva from the repertoire, yes, everything is kobzon

here's something soviet, here's tatar. i didn't think that i would be in the mari theater, all the more i caressed or i never thought to the subway. how did your mom let you go? well , how not to let go, if a person, if a son, especially the son is promising and everyone says that your teacher can be. and whose name did you remember with such gratitude today, meant working not only with you, but with your mother too, maybe she told her, listen, he seems to be a genius, well, i don’t think she said that he genius, but because we never know when all this can end, the voice is such a fragile apparatus that many of my colleagues have it. how many times how many times have i seen such singers who started with me, then

stopped. it's not just singing. you are out of singing. this is even more mental work. here you need to be healthy nominally mentally healthy. that is, you go out and there are 3-4 thousand people in front of you, right? the orchestra behind the choir, well, everyone is looking at you and everyone is waiting for you. and this is what you always need to feed. it is always necessary to give everything to give back the accumulated energy is just the point, therefore, you need to, therefore, you need to take it to someone, therefore, sometimes you need to rest. listen, we force you here with your expensive apparatus, you understand , you understand, then it’s better that we ask you to give us the opportunity to enjoy the nuances. here's something else, come on, come on, you're worth its weight in gold.

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i would like to wish you to achieve something else, of course. although they do. well, what else is some such role, about which you dreamed about it yet and no. or maybe it hasn't even been written yet. maybe there is no limit to perfection, we will improve. there is still a lot to work on. the main thing is that the soul sings, and when the soul sings. well, god forbid,

what is your poet's soul? i know that your incredibly beautiful wife would continue to have the same happy face as she always has when we see each other in various family events of new creative success. thanks a lot. all the best, dear friends. thank you for your attention until next meetings. we've all learned a little bit of something and somehow. well, where without aisan sergeevich hello today, we gathered our thoughts about what and how they teach or should teach in a modern school. olga alexandrovna dmitrieva director of the shuvalov school in moscow electric, uskov founder of the e, school and

university in yoshkar-ola. i'm vladimir hello friends. hello, i had deans in my podcast. e two moscow universities and at the end of the program. i asked them, what do they lack in first-year students, then there are those who come to them after school. and now i want to share their answer with you and listen to what you think about this . the first thing you said is that there is not enough independence; they are very dependent on the opinions of parents, classmates, classmates, friends, and so on. the second lacks curiosity. nothing is interesting and the third is missing. as one of the channels put it , self-sacrifice, and then the truth explained a little, he said that they are not ready to wait , they want to endure here and today. well, i remembered this is famous, but the experiment is one candy now or three, but the day after tomorrow yes choose. for the most part, today i would like you and i to start agreeing and disagreeing with this

. according of course refute something. it seems to me that lately, uh, we have been brought up on the contrary conditionally. well, let's say, but in my childhood , i had very strict parents in my childhood, so i allow everything to my children or you know me at school. uh, they taught me to walk in formation. i didn’t like it so much, so i grew up and decided to open my own private school so that the children go there, as you wanted. yes, that's a pebble in the garden is already a movie and we have made a lot of bets on success on substantive success. again, successfully for what, so that you are competitive. why is it competitive, that you ate sweetly and slept well, that you lived comfortably and this led to the fact that, probably, something most important was gone from education for that is, we stopped forming good people and, uh, so that they, well at least in some ways they made

efforts on themselves, because education is actually about effort, when they don’t give you ready-made knowledge, when you are a little on tiptoe, as if trying to reach out, but the profitable ones are talking about this, yes, and the profitable one spoke, and we will talk about electricity again. i 'll agree with olga alexandrovna in everything, but i'll add a little. the fact is that, for example, at school they taught me to walk in formation. i liked it, and in my private school. i miss this. so why are you ? the fact is that those founders are not the person who determines the format by more than 100 percent. yes there is a pedagogical staff pedagogical the team forms the format and now the teachers are not ready. uh, teach the kids to walk in formation. although it would never hurt to add this at all, in fact, discipline and diligence have never spoiled anyone. that's why. listen, and here, maybe it's a trifle. yes, but i just wrote a test today as students. uh-huh and i say guys, well, they 're done, we're putting on a simple story. here is

from the middle. well, a large flowing quarter of the amphitheater, i say, rent it out, uh, well, to the extreme one sitting on the edge, and then from top to bottom simple, that is, two procedures in two moves , i had to explain three times and barely collected the papers. i'll develop my thoughts, but the deans have been voiced. yes, what is the problem in children , thinking is not formed, the quality of thinking is not formed at all , the quality of thinking has fallen significantly. what does this mean thinking? well, well, a lot of things, but a lot of things, for example, the ability to abstract. it develops there by the age of 12 and should be actively developed by the senior school, yes or just logic, yes or just the basics of systems thinking. let's say there is practically nothing, a low level of subjectivity. well, as we say, when a person thinks he is led, this is normal for him. yes, he does not know who he is, where he is, why where and what should be in a good version, that there are schools in a bad one. they work on subjectivity, there are several types of elite schools, there in moscow , right on subjectivity, subjectivity, that is

, subjectivity - this is a bit of a dangerous road. yes, and you work in yoshka, of course, subjectivity needs to be balanced, because active work in subjectivity leads to an increase in goncentrism, and life will be difficult for such a person, and about productivity sociality. there will also be questions. olga san but here is the lack of curiosity. you agreed with this too. yes, yes, but you get it right. yes, not that this pebble is your garden, but the deans were talking about the guys who come from you. why doesn't it work? i agree. i would like to add here hmm yes, it’s really difficult for the guys about the meaning , this is the biggest one, and the mistake, for example, in the analysis of the text is that the guys cannot determine the main idea of ​​the text, and we generally have a hard time analyzing what has been read. and we understand this there really is a deficit, because most often a child cannot solve a problem, not because he does not know how to solve it. he doesn't understand her

terms. he really can't read it. we understand this. we are now, to be honest, working on it, and we are looking for a technique that is connected with what. this is why. that used to be understood there, so i hear such subtext, yes, now i don’t understand a lot of information. it seems to me now is the time for information, maybe a lot of it is of the wrong quality. the fact is that now, well, children are studying at school who childhood with a smartphone yes, they are surrounded by sources of easy information, well, videos and games of interactivity. that's it. look at the story, when a person reads a book, he sees letters, but the brain processes these letters and builds plots in his head. yes, he almost smells. he is involved in all this . the brain created all these pictures accordingly. it does not enrich, develops, but when a person receives a finished picture, sorry for everything that is not in demand. everything is atrophying with us, but

look, and when we say that children they can't do that, we're basically blaming ourselves, because kids aren't responsible for that. and if we are so smart, and we understand all this, what should we do? well , it's good in schools, phones are taken away at the entrance and returned at the exit leads. this is to ensure that children go home. so, yes, what should we do with this, we need to accept that the phone is a soft drug, if we agree that our children consume soft drugs that destroy their mental sphere. well let's keep doing it. if you do not agree, but it is necessary to limit somehow. the fact is that if they have uh, certain cognitive structures will be formed there by the age of 17. yes. probably you won't have any problems. the fact that a person is there on the phone is something, but at the moment when they are formed, well, this is a problem, you understand, there is a tissue forming here, well, it’s approximately clear what you can try to do, but curiosity is still i really, i just want to, that we got the impression that e educators do not understand. these deficits

do nothing about it. to be honest, we're looking for forms technologies. methods. you know, once i wrote down all the requirements for a modern lesson for myself. i got a huge presentation because we signed out. well, if there are more existing standard professionals here, firstly, there is the science of pedagogy. nobody canceled it. there are principles, they are very interesting patterns. this is something to keep in mind. of course, there are standard requirements for results. we develop functional literacy. we lay the tasks that develop the educational educator. in in principle, the child should learn the material for the lesson. and all this needs to be kept, uh, when preparing a lesson in 45 minutes, it is quite difficult. it is clear that every lesson or every lesson in kindergarten, but it cannot correspond to everything. but the teacher, the teacher , remembers this, and in the garden we only do not give the child ready-made

knowledge through activity. and yet to guide him so that he thinks, so that he finds answers. why so? and they, again, due to the fact that there is a lot of information that you don’t have to look for? i remember this one i had the great soviet encyclopedia. i mean into it, and here it seems to me that it’s time for a colleague to interrupt what gives an easier one. uh, a picture is easier information that you don't have to work to read a book. we need to work hard to go to the museum. this also needs some effort. and then you opened you easier access to information modern children are too well fed. they not only ate candy, they ate too much content. do you understand? the fact is that well, when we were a little bit younger, we saw on tv two channel, which sometimes times did not eat, shows something interesting. accordingly, this hunger for content. sorry, for that word now, too, not all podcasts are interesting. well, yes. yes, of course, here it is.

we removed books at the expense of books, and it was a developing story, but i will say that the selection of click books, in principle, was more relevant, more developing than now, that is, my toys were made by themselves with their own hands. it was all yes, and now everything is there, you know, it forms a kind of satiety and laziness. and with this nothing do. no, i will say, so that humanity has worked out this story, the same british, for example, inclinedly speaking, the british elite, and they artificially create a certain hunger for children. yes, for something to happen right from them, it will be right, of course, you decide this divorce, of course, and now we are in this one. here's something in abundance. yes, there is a lot of content after the lack of candy there. yes, this is a dangerous story. and here we are watching what is happening. today we are gathering our thoughts about what and how they teach or modern school should be taught by olga alexandrovna dmitrieva, director of the shuvalov

school in moscow, her electric train, uskov, founder of the school and university in yoshkar-ola. i am vladimir berry, we continue. i am a university lecturer. i expect that people with a secondary education will come to me, that when i say at a lecture today, well, of course, you remember the three great traditions and the power of sophocles and euripides. uh, it's only clear and yes in the phrase that i said to my poor students, but thank god the mayor remember, yes, i have a question here about the meaning of terms in a meaningful secondary education school. what is it, and what should i do? what to cook here, so we started a little, yes, or what else? maybe we can continue then? yes i am speaking as a person who well from the side of the university yes, uh has some request and as a person from the business expects. well, some, that's why they opened a school, because there are some competencies, knowledge, skills, and all that. and for me, the key story is the level of development of thinking. now, if a person came out of a means, uh, school has a certain

level of development of thinking, plus definitely accrual, familiarity, plus a certain instrumental apparatus provided there for a secondary education of at least a qualitative volume of nine classes, because something can be done with this person. but if this is not the case, of course, there are difficulties, because these are long cycles. well, 10 years. and what should be done within 10 years, then it is very difficult to say at the optimal time, by the way, yes, then it is very difficult to compensate later, therefore i call all this rich inner peace. there are cognitive potentials blah blah blah. well, now with this, well, big difficulties, just big and uh, well, it ’s approximately clear what to do? well, that is, it is necessary to remove this one here, well, firstly, at school there is a lot of workload, there is a lot of little sense, you know, that is, they chew on a bunch of facts. they try to remember it, but without any contact with these things, the memory is stolen, therefore. remember, well, it's impossible, i think that the memory steals the other what they don't read. yes? well, there are things that develop, too, the guy steals. yes, you are in any

you can look at the moment your brain is just being rebuilt. you don't remember. you teach poetry there is something. well, there are some standard educational stories here, which, in principle, form memory much less now. well, you know , the teacher is not the same, well, the main teaching corps. sorry, i'm off to teach. sorry for the last 20-30 years, just voices have dipped, definitely definitely a problem. yes, i don't want to go into a populist story now about what should be prestigious. this, by the way, everything is true, yes, if i understand correctly, the chinese will have the highest paid. let's say elementary school. yes, it's already too late. yes, i agree with what the wrong teacher went. well, i wouldn’t generalize like that at all, because inside the system i see people perfectly, and you know how? it seems to me that this is still an attempt to find a magic pill, it is in everything and also. school how is it magical? you gave the tablet to the child, preferably in the ideal school, preferably in the year. yes, not even at three and in

the eleventh grade some kind of perfect a portrait of a graduate, because the school is part of the children's society. here you want to change the children's school honestly, i have a recipe for you. approach the mirror. look at yourself and change yourself. at first, nothing will happen, otherwise , of course, if we are talking about content, look, i think we are developing a system. now in two directions. the first is the alignment of just such an educational standard for schools throughout the country, that is, a guaranteed minimum of quality education must be there are, for example, now there will be new federal curricula. there are no more items on the necessary and unnecessary. all items are needed there, as before. but if you take a profile of some kind. you just add and the second is individualization, because now the guys are very. everyone has different abilities, inclinations, one cannot talk about a single approach, each child needs

to dump something 40 people were in the class. they were very different now than a single level and all such a level of content guaranteed to know what the basic use is mathematics. so, when i was studying a person with knowledge in the scope of the basic use in mathematics - this is a mark of two, you know, this is two in mathematics, as you know, mathematics is a key subject that develops thinking, you understand, a significant part of children now and schools leave with a deuce in mathematics. and this is guaranteed quality. our children win international olympiads , there will always be 1.000% who are able to win the olympiads. absolutely normal. here. eh, this is understandable. what could be here are you a little politically zaost? well, the truth is, in both cases, what question interests me? again, i'm talking about philosophy. yes , education, which i'm trying all the time

. that's what secondary education is. what is this about? here's what i, for example, do not see on this is another problem that worries me very much. we would have discussed this with you sometime, it is extremely practical , but the orientation of education. that's the ultimate pragmatics. i was preparing a program here for a large training center. and me, then, colleagues say, here write us a program, as a supervisor. i say well they say, and what will be the benefit of your program? i say, in what sense to pass the exam, that is, we, in principle, operate exclusively with these categories , only the school instills. understanding that a knowledge is a value in itself would go even higher, that a person is one who seeks the truth. in general, we shamefully or shamelessly threw out this topic is not in the educational plan. yes, here. you are there on your own and so on. these are the tasks someone thinks about it, such tasks are worth it. do you feel them, do you put them in front of

your teaching staff, well, first of all, you know. we have now probably returned to what it means to be a good person and to be a citizen of one's country. and three degrees. well, let's say, love for the motherland is the first to talk about it, but the second is to do something for the motherland, and the third is to be able to donate three absolutely different things. here, probably we are now back to to form, and a moral person is now the first task, and the second. i think we 'll get back to what you're talking about, probably for today. well it's less present so from my point of view. i could be wrong, but in the sau society of teachers. yes, this is being discussed. it feels like a topic or is it the destiny of some units that, you know, some laminations are periodically produced there

about oh, how lacking, because there were more pressing challenges and problems, so it went a little the second is not denies the importance of instrumentalism. and the practical orientation of education does not bother the level of ideology of teachers, it directly worries a lot. you know, when i was 17-18 years old. i looked at who went where and i was horrified by two things. in the sense of your circle here, plus or minus a year or two, who goes to the military and who goes to teachers, you know? well, the threesomes were those who got nowhere else, we couldn’t just look good for a long time, what do you think? something better has become that since then the contest pedu at the table to perfect it fine, but so far those very people are teaching us, and with this big. well, yes. different, like different people, excellent teachers can be found there. 5% will always be very cooks, but

there are not enough for all five percent. there is really a problem here. what, relatively speaking , is ideological preparation. there is an instrumental school. now it is mainly focused on a piece of instrumental training . there are some attempts to update the ideological part, but they look like let's say. well, not really, well, not really, but it's hard because it's hard. this is reflection. this is the need to solve such complex issues, for example, as a religious and philosophical plan. yes, we talked. oh, no, no, that's what you all know there. i think you know the next step. we will have a rethinking, but now the integration of subject areas is already taking place, which in russian is conditionally wrong to give children each subject separately. this is mathematics, only you need it alone separately, but there is music. there is a story, they do not intersect in any way. that is , we are talking about such a broad view of the world, that it has all subject areas. they are

intertwined. now, if we are talking about such an ideological change in education, tom, from my point of view, the future is behind this. i already remember at one time, probably, when i taught, i caught myself on the fact that colleagues, as a rule, don’t know, especially if they have better school there, yes, a mathematician is social science there. and what does the other one teach, but if we set a worldview task, this cannot be, but, that is, teachers must understand more or less well and be one way or another in one semantic worldview field. something is being done for this today, but at your specific schools, for example, the history is such that we work with those teachers who are here and, of course, are not there. here is such a cross functional training, when a mathematics teacher is well versed in history. teachers of literature understands physics well. this is not yet something we can count on. here but nevertheless. here is an idea

about cross-subject connections and the integration of the whole program in general. she's cool she can be dragged through some design stories. yes, when we are in a project, children do some kind of project and different knowledge is involved. then we have a system of additional education. and a. it is so slightly practical in our it-training there, and there, too, in general, computer science is one of the coolest subjects that form cross-subject connections, because it can integrate almost the entire pool of school ones. e, items, of course, there is a lot of work to be done. you must be directly a lot of good pedagogical science, but what i would like to pay attention to in terms of school is a subject like history is, by the way, a key subject that is the worldview skill pool. well, of course, he collects things and forms so. now the destructive subject, you know, is studying that version of the history of russia there and the world, by the way, which is now in the modern version of textbooks. which is still a marxist version, we form the idea that we are some kind of provincial nation that has always had everything bad. and well, we live like that, okay, but

it's not like that, you see, we gave the world first-class literature and science. yes, everything that whatever. yes, that is, well, we have operations to do and there are a lot of things there, but unfortunately, this subject is the history of russia , now we are a so-so subject of social science. well, people should have a clear picture of how the state is getting richer and what it lives on , and why it doesn’t need gold when it has a simple product . how are material values ​​created, how is society managed, what does a person as a subject need? can count in this society, well, some legal basis. why don't they have enough, you know? i think you look. what is the story now, relatively speaking, school education there corresponds to the realities of the mid-sixties. well, the last reboot of the system was something like this then , relatively speaking, at the party. it was a kind of vision that children should know and be able to understand. now we are dealing with a reduced version. here is that very vision, no matter how reassembly, rethinking

it was, well, some kind of systemic big one. well, we live. with this somehow, firstly, as far as i understand history textbooks different indeed. yes, they are changing now. and the minister recently said that a new textbook has been written, so maybe something is already there. yes, you wanted to propose to my colleague. so he says that our guys should study in history. everyone bet on the victories of our country. and let's bet on the good in our education with us, er, believe me. it also exists. maybe, if we have such a habit of constantly speaking badly, and our teachers and our schools. it seems to me that she has remained stereotyped so much that we no longer see behind it. good changes. and they also got good food, but you don’t understand it enough. yes , five percent is good. what can he count on 95% of parents who, well, want better for their children, but they can count on what they have, unfortunately,

plus some level of awareness , and so in these ninety-five percent of parents, awareness is also not very much the parent at home can create the right environment for the child. let's start here, you know the percent. do you know the word wednesday, yes, here it is, maybe not strictly according to our topic, but i would just like to spend a few minutes on this topic. yes, because the word wednesday is a lot. this means that in my time i talked with a wonderful philologist, a teacher and philosopher. e, yuri anatolyevichemlin. god bless him, he actively used the word wednesday. well, almost conditionally. yes, wednesday and e , i don’t remember how she started the conversation. he says, at the age of 5 i ran to my mother and said, i know all the bad words, and my mother said, and i know them. and dad knows them, but we don’t do that. and this is not how we do it. yes, what creates the environment. it's just really great. yes, that's what is accepted, in general, the whole culture about it is accepted. this is not accepted by both the school and the family, and we are all

the church there and society, we all owe this to ourselves , in fact, the main environment that forms everything, you understand, this is the main connection asks why children do not read so parents do not read, reading family, you know what happens to children here to a child. no, he is still a year old, and he is already taking a book and poking a book with his finger, despite the fact that he holds the book upside down, because he is so all around, it is clear that we remind those very bad parents who are so dragged on by the pope. smoking is bad, right? today we are gathering our thoughts about what and how they teach or should teach the modern school olga alexandrovna dmitrieva director of the shuvalov school in moscow electric train uskov founder of the school and university in yoshkar-ola. i'm vladimir legueida continue. i still want to discuss one pragmatic topic, because it comes up all the time. here you can't get away from it. this is the use and the pros and cons of the use according to

opportunities briefly. what should you be afraid of, what should you not be afraid of. well, i would like to say there are no ideal things at all, including any ideal toolkit, but for today. this is so far the only such mass, and objective control and measuring material, my observations show that no miracles have happened in the sense that someone, as he studied for 11 years, gets approximately the same plus or minus results in points. that is, in principle, the exam does not spoil. talk about the fact that 11 years old, an excellent student could not to get together to get a deuce, so to speak, on the facts, probably, for me, the exam is about education. it's about academic integrity. it's about diligence, it's about getting together, it's about being able to manage your time and much, much, which is also in principle, modern children from elementary school train in these control and measuring

forms, so it's familiar to them, uh, so that i pay attention there is the main one, and such a message goes so that there is no training for the exam yes, so that they don’t get lost behind this, real knowledge, but for this it seems to me that we see this problem, and we are also already changing. for example , we now have such an interesting format in moscow, that is, uh, the guys finish the eleventh grade and all the required subjects until february. and since february, motsali is aimed at introducing a new schedule for new practices. we are only preparing for the exam and they are level, for example, one needs to compete for 100 points, and the other at least february of the eleventh grade of february of the eleventh grade is a very interesting project. it will pass now, we will be ready for it share. and in principle, i think that here are changes in federal curricula, that all subjects are important, this will also help us get away from training on