good afternoon. we all know from childhood that there is no dispute about tastes. personally, i would definitely not take my child to a hairdresser called a children's torture shop. maybe you would take or someone else? today in our studio ekaterina dragomirova ekaterina hello. hello, i understand that you are not satisfied with the proximity to the children's torture room . quite right. this barbershop has a very

strange name with a very strange logo, which has a tattoo in the form of a severed limb with blood on its neck. and right here people cut their children's hair. initially, when it all started six months ago, i didn’t like it, really only the logo and the name, because this is the only thing that caused controversy, but in the chat. yes, and i'll be honest in the chat at home i was not divided. someone said it was funny, someone said it was unacceptable. and i personally didn't say much. i just cited articles of certain laws. and i personally have this logo in doubt in terms of

its legality in terms of its safety in terms of its admissibility, especially. eh when this children's institution. and everything, in principle, could be resolved peacefully, because it was possible to agree initially and, well, the owner or founder of the salon. i don’t know who exactly he is, but i removed the big sign and everything calmed down for a couple of months, but after a couple of months. he unfolded very. an active pr campaign on the internet against those who initially did not express consent, he published an article in which, with a mockery, a walked on the chairman of the council of the house and on the advice of the house, which expressed dissatisfaction. and the worst part is that he turned the question around. that is, instead. and in order to be honest, what we don't like is the symbolism is very controversial aggressively. well, to me, it's just for me. it seems to me that it is unacceptable for children, but he

stated in his article that we are against children, but with developmental disabilities and that children interfere with us? uh-huh. and the children often scream at him, but i don’t know, i work during the day, i don’t hear asked. you , we have a video that your neighbor took. let's get a look. well, you can think all this is torture. well there's more there is still a moment. here is our neighbor . oh, kids too. she heard. here are the screams. eh, naturally. the first reaction is to call the police. well, the first row is to open the door, which means everything is with the child. she couldn't because the door was closed. and it really stressed her out, because, well, it's understandable. it would stress me out too. well, he was very vocal about being an inclusive barbershop and parents were commenting about it. and in principle, people are familiar with this point of special education to

work with such children. no, you understand? here this is something that bothered me very much more hmm about what was again published in the video, how he treats the child. let's see it, then we'll continue. will you go then? surprisingly, he posted this video himself on his social networks. i think, i think it's surprising to us, uh, well, and maybe surprising to those who are not familiar with the problem, but parents of children with special needs, because i know that they can

behave this way. this is fine. well, that is not normal, but unfortunately, this is normal, but normal for their diagnosis. well, within the framework of their diagnoses, it’s strong, maybe yes, that he stressed me out, in this video, what stressed me in the photographs is that i don’t know if he knows how to properly handle a child who is in such a state . we have studios expert psychologist, ekaterina zernova. as i understand it, you are also a neighbor of the children's torture room. hello. i live in this house. yeah, not only that, i'm the oldest at home. eh, chairman of the council of the duma, and here there is another clarification. here is ekaterina said, e. the fact is that timur is in social networks, uh, he lies very actively that they prevent him from cutting children's hair. that's all, uh, well, then he omits one moment . the fact is that it was me, as the chairman and

the council of the house, who initiated the meeting of the owners, at which we wanted the management company to conclude an agreement for a sign, but not torture, but simply childish salon. he was at this meeting, but this item was not voted on. that is, initially we generally wanted to do this. and now, after this the meeting did not accept, he cannot make a sign. uh, actually, the attacks began on social networks. here is the lie that began not as a senior in the house, not a neighbor, but still as a psychologist. please tell me why you, as a psychologist, are not satisfied with this hairdresser, when we see a children's hairdresser, we expect it to be, but it will be safely checked and it will be. well, the one who knows knows how to do it when we see the logo of the devil. it doesn't matter what it's called on social media. these are my cartoons to hell with horns. you know it doesn't work. this logo 7 1/200 years. this is a symbol that

you show to any person in any country of the world, and he will say this evil is evil. this is death is torture. this is hate. this is an analysis when we see that it combines in one place evil and good child. this is naivete. then both fragility and e evil as death you know? well, at least there is a double message, you understand? yes, here are the products for adults, sex shops do not bother you when you walk down the street with the same child and no. and if you torture someone, but this is criminal. uh, article you any child living among adults will be put in jail for this. but that would be a perfectly normal question. mom, that you can torture children. we wrote an appeal with a request to give a legal export assessment of this construction. we turned to the deputy of the municipal assembly, and she already sent

requests, by the way, in no application did the residents ask to close the hairdresser. now he is already the further, the more he slanders the article about lies. that's because you want to know nowhere claimed. so let's ask him. why does he insist on it so much? timur gaziev came to our studio? hello, what is quite yes, what exactly? what got here so start. how can you denigrate me here? how some the devil and you know. i have this ad. well, the logo, it's been around for five years. i have yes, and my salon in novosibirsk has been working for so many years. and that during all this time there have never been any accusations in my direction that i am trying to someone there? you have your own children. i have a stepson with autism. i understand perfectly, and all the parents who come to say, about us , read the title. we tell us right away

liked. we understand what you are doing. and that you are adequate about what you are doing, because if it is presented like this, it is magical. uh, well, a lot of children's barbershop. here are the malls where the kids are also yelling. i worked in a shopping mall. well, when i was just starting and there, too, the children were screaming and it did not bother anyone, because they understand for children. this is a haircut. it's like torture, when you say that but for a child, but cut your hair, it's torture. what kind of children do you mean, i mean all children one year old child. take imagine here you are brought by a little one, who is constantly told by none. my child has never made a sound, not in the dentist's chair, not in the chair. and generally anywhere. wait, don't listen to me so much, please. i am also the father of the first three. and 4 years, when they already began to go to the hairdresser, and not manage there at home. it was torture. i have two

questions. first, are you a tenant or owner , and second, are you a believer or not? no need to scare children or not, but rather more unbelieving, than a believer. i want everyone in this studio to be responsible for a simple question right now. what do you want? here, what do you want specifically, i would like to give a legal assessment. let's say or these symbols for an orphanage, if possible. it's ok, if it's not acceptable for it to be removed and replaced. well, institutions, i am a believer in assessing the issue of insulting feelings, believers , children have legal representatives , most often these are parents, if parents come and make a choice in favor of this hairdresser. how can you argue this choice? i can as a citizen express my doubts, my concerns and ask for appropriate ones. i understand

it has never been inside. no, inwardly i want to see how e timur talks with children with pleasure. stop. i'm also afraid of what to do. i'll comb you out. no. well, you'll yell, i'll turn on the hairdryer. the grown man understood. haven't done anything yet. it won't hurt. you see, i'm just brushing.

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our rules shine brightness, you say that you love children there you want to help them. that's all here, i can't understand all the time. and that it is necessary to grapple like this in order to endlessly quarrel for it well. can you explain this to me, and when i opened, and how would we just move to moscow, and how would i have worked in novosibirsk for 5 years. i have this name for 5 years. hanging there were no problems. at first i flew in there, they called from the council and said they said, like take it off, well, from the door. i say ok i took off at the same

day. i rented without problems, but left a phone number so that at least people would understand that you understood that we have dentistry on the one hand, where we also work with such children. but these good women did. so, barriers were put up on both sides, so that such children could not go there . that i have nothing, no pointers, i approached her, they had a meeting where she was with your helper friend. so i approached her then three or four times. i asked about the sign. we can discuss. at least i 'll hang it on the wall. just a kids hairdresser. well, you can look at me like that from above, like, like, i don’t even talk to you. i can talk and he didn't come again and we waited for the results

of the meeting. yes, after that, well, after this meeting, i approached them. i spoke to her. i offered her money, i said, come on, i will support at least a couple of thousand a month, so that we need it. will it was at the meeting. here they went. it’s possible that they didn’t even say no to me at the same time, but after they banned me altogether. i waited a month, four or five we wrote and the councils sent requests to her. we had some show yourself, which was to me. let me show you, don't worry, and i'll take 3-4 months. i pay a lot of rent. i need to somehow advertise myself, at least hang it, just a children's hairdresser, but they ignored me. wait, but you decided not to hang, children's hairdresser, you decided to hang children's torture. still. i have a feeling that you are just pr. you said just a barbershop, no, really. there is another children's

barbershop there. and by the way, no one was outraged about this. yes, dentistry. you didn't get angry either. yes, look. you are exaggerating everything. you say, listen to me. you said that they put up two barriers so that the children could not go there. well, where are these barriers. so, there are barriers at the entrance to the car. why do you accuse people of baring, i won’t listen , but it’s obvious that he’s not for this all the time, what nonsense, in general, the parents of the child come in winter, they can’t spend in a wheelchair. yes, they can't do dentistry in another yard, and it's definitely worth it , not exactly because everyone is fighting with children to cover up in the world. give after that i don’t want to talk to you, because, and you don’t believe it was typical, if the box is ok , let’s take a closer look, look at your let’s hello welcome my

hairdressing salon as soon as you enter, you can immediately notice the children's room. where children usually come, they immediately undress here and can safely play. while, for example, waiting for their turn. i brought my library here for the parents to read while the kid took over the clipper . we have a tv. so you can watch movies. we have a machine, of course, for a haircut this more reinforced.

so that the children of yes do not suffer, so that they do not get hurt. he did so more forcefully, and machine version. here i have specially made for a toy so that the children are not afraid. and this is my friend who has been working with me for 3 years. his name is duke, he is trained specifically to work with children, it turns out, there are all some different moments here. i connected it so that the children were comfortable, well, we are creating such a place. i beg you not to lie, there was not a single appeal to me. please show me the truth. no. the fact is that when the meeting did not decide on your sign. we

were preparing a council at home for a second meeting to it was only on your question that we began to prepare it, and at that moment there was your article, in which he exhibited a gaggle and a meeting. we stopped to write to me uselessly decide the house of the general meeting of owners. that is , even if you would write to me, i could only initiate the meeting, but the owners vote, so i took offense at you very much. no, you know. the thing is that i became. i will explain why i started doing this, because, uh, as these guys wrote on social networks. they sent me 10 men came to me in the evening 10 hefty. uh, the religious men brought a stack of papers for me to sign, for me to clean quickly, for me to shut down, for me to repaint something else. i have a video. i posted can look at the phone. get acquainted with

the requirement that you are presented with in the light of insults to slightly believers and is unacceptable by the name of the advertisement. so why did they offend you with a name. why should i sign something, the law of citizenship is not some kind of satanism, if you look closely and who are these people religious fanatics who later wrote on social networks that their

they asked me to come check and intimidate him, then i found out through my acquaintances that these are exactly the kind of miscreants who are sent to speak like that, they wrote such a statement. i, uh, i immediately signed up for them, wrote a statement in two copies, because they came. here 's everything on video. this. i also filmed them. after they left, two other guys came in and more such more healthy 50 came up. no, wait, i'll finish, please, i like it. i'll finish, please, two adults come in. here are the men. i am small. as you can see, yes, they came in and sat down next to me and began to explain that it’s better for you to remove all this, or we won’t talk like that a second time with you and completely different people will talk to you in a different way and you will have to eat through a straw. i even got scared. i have arrived. they even took me home, because i thought they would be watching me here now, because from the conversation i realized that, well, like, be careful and i

have to social networks receive different threats from these people, like they showed us one from the section. let's see there. is there something, close your garbage institution, tomorrow we will close the scum. you 're showing off, your head will break through, countries. you are not welcome here. you would write with your photo, they covered themselves. find out what i am when we find you, and after that you will say that i should not give any publicity to protect myself somehow, and the point is how i should swear with them. now i want to explain, in fact, what i just understood, and what i was talking about from the very beginning that controversial symbolism, you know, there will be a lot of fanatics, right, you? well, here you can argue as much as you like, but what the devil looks like millions of people around the world you have books with the name of sadoma.

this is also a cherished thing. just the name i understand, which is the devil. at the level of all this, you understand, you are trying this classic for a children's hairdresser, a garden symbol. gamura - this is for children. you wanted it according to the law, and now you have arranged real ones for us here, the former deputies of the ostankinsky district came. let's call. hello tell me how did you find out about the children's torture chamber and how do you feel about such a logo and name , one of the residents turned to me. and well, the nearest house, located at the address where this torture chamber is located, well, namely with the question, how do i like this name and this institution. hmm, i understand correctly that you wrote several appeals within the law; the electoral ones wrote several

appeals. that's right. where to the commissioner for children's rights hmm lion belova and uh, not a committee. yes, i received it from everyone. uh, instances interim answers, which are sent for consideration on the merits of the issues raised, but to the mayor's office, and to the prosecutor's office of the city of moscow, and rospotrebnadzor well, and so on. what kind of meeting did you organize? so, it was then already a meeting of the council of deputies. you recorded your conversation with the deputies. let's see. children's barbershop there really is a childish torture expression, but uh it is written in uh, the work schedule is not large housing there. well, i don’t know, well, somewhere here are

centimeters and, uh, somewhere about 80 centimeters circle. uh, with the uh muzzle of the devil, this one is the one that painted for us. yes, this is the devil. this is a circle with a diameter of 8-10 centimeters inside the wall, not red. as we are told here, the walls, decorated with a tree of such, well, a wooden color, a bright pink rack. i mean, they're not even red, they're bright pink, and they're racks. these are not walls. this is not a deputy spoke. i want to emphasize this. uh, one of the residents invited - invited there are people. i started the program from this, and those who like this name do not scares. it, uh, theirs is one

of the clients, the hairdresser's one of timur's clients , natalia, is boyish, she came here just to give full support to timur natalie come to us, well, for a long time you will find fault with him over trifles. i am very interested in what else you will get to the bottom of the tattoo color, walls, what else? well, what's next? maybe you will give us, it's just that parents of such children meet calmly, they like it. we like. what right do you have here? and some legal assessments to request something else. why are you interfering it is so difficult for us to be kicked out everywhere. and now you are trying to close the only inclusive hairdresser in the capital natalya girls who came here with a claim. they don't want to close this barbershop it 's not at all about the fact that they don't

like the name of this barbershop because they think it's not correct enough. i want you not to be twisted by the same timur, understanding your pain just frightens many. this is the name, so i want to ask you. it does not appear to be at all scares. no, it's not scary. i treat it like a caricature. i mean, uh, i think the parents of the other special kids drew this. yes, it's simple. well, here is such a joke of humor, maybe not everyone understands. it's true. so let's start with how you met, how you even found out about this hairdresser, how you first came to timur. well, i know that, firstly, he has been working for a long time. e that he worked in novosibirsk and saw, but with another mother. e on social networks that she took her child. e get a haircut with her son too i saw with autism that timur opened his own hairdresser in moscow and

thought that this is what we need, because my son is already overgrown, and these endless torments with haircuts there for an hour in the bath there when i stand and try there how -something there to cut something to turn over there, how much is yours and a half. and so you came for the first time to timur yes for a haircut. yes, everything went fine. well, uh, the son was afraid. yes , that is, it was, well, it was not a surprise to me, because he is afraid of cars, that is , he is used to scissors, and he is afraid of cars, well timur put him in a chair. he offered to say, let's have candy, we'll go somewhere else to play. here in the game doggie, and the son stroked. i also took his favorite sweets with me, that is, some kind of hysterics of pulling out. eh, he didn't. yeah, and he left at the end with a beautiful haircut. let's see meet my son, my god. let's get a look. we are now going

to move here, and here maxim, who is very anxious, is going all the time. home e lived temporarily with his grandmother. my mother, he is used to it, he goes there in the garden, what is there know all the playgrounds. here for him, even though he was in this apartment, everything is new for him. and so he gets nervous. he begins to panic, and something happens, i'm used to something else. this toy was with my grandmother. and then she moved on. where do you want to go, put it where you want, where? we're taking her to grandma's house. well, this is how it shows us. we're all going to take a long enough time for the baby to get used to not acting so anxious. yes, well done. well let's sit down no max go have a drink. let's go to

kitchen. well, he will be nervous to worry . new people, someone has come to do something, and they want something from him, of course, this is stress for him. he needs to get used to it, don't worry. you're my good, don't worry, it's a visual steam he calms down, looking at a snake or what? here she falls or how she spins, that is, he is now anxious, and he is still so , your nervous system will already be in order. a little, now he no longer publishes. there are such sounds there, that is, already on the sly. give me five oh, everything, i was delighted. for me this event number one, as if we all participated in the whole world. here in this large-scale action , the emotional beautiful makes you think

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because before i found out about timur when we went to cut our andryusha, we kept him six of us and the hairdresser-streak all this time the child was screaming. oral. out sickening. you just understand who you are dealing with, what are these children with them? they don't hear you. you can't tell him, don't be afraid, it's just the scissors you asked the moscow e, hairdressers, are they ready for such children or not. hello but if it's not very calm, it's like if you

help us to be with him. yeah , not one left, so that he is not afraid of us, please, no problem. to him years and, accordingly, he sometimes breaks out , is very naughty, the volume that leads does not represent, yes, let's try. that is, you can give. well give. well, if suddenly something does not work out, then we will not rape, as it were, 100% is not guaranteed, but if it works out, it will work out. well, like, here

it happens, well, such greece it's hard that it was investigated to prove that it's hard to find a second for the master, girls, why is everything through the negative? how many now there were hairdressers who said to bring and we will try help? you only hear negativity all the time. well, let me tell you, so, it really doesn’t happen that i didn’t come across, so i came, and they told me, we won’t cut, because your andryusha is autistic, but in the process, for example , we had it like this when after all, the master courageously cut his hair after the cry of the eagles. there was plucking and so on. we were asked who not to come anymore, in fact there are a lot of such children that this is not charity. this is a business

business with its own logo, which a person has been running for many years. that is, it is part of his identity. it's the, and on what basis certain parents can find it. this is very important. i don't perceive. here is this image, like the image of the devil devil and so on. i really see the similarity for me there is nothing negative there, but it is for me for someone there. we are all different, rebranding. uh, normal phenomena even for large corporations and nothing to worry about no, maybe from a different angle just beat, really. i know i'm a parent myself and chairman of the association of parents of disabled children. naturally. uh, cut our children's hair. this is torture at times, and we regularly visit our rehabilitation center, hairdresser volunteers come for free about the damage. they cut children's hair. and when it is in a normal environment in their usual environment. it's

certainly not an injury. like in a barbershop, where everything is everything you are afraid of everything new and people are watching. yes, parents are a trauma. a well, you can take a different angle, turn the children's hairdresser's lower without torture. and you are so brutal you are in tattoos, don’t go to alyonka, but an angel with scissors, which is like that. i'm full of tattoos too. come on, here i stand with wings and do a good deed . timur oh, you are big. well done for doing this, it's really, uh, great. eh, if you have the strength to take in a few of these kids a day, then, of course, you need to have willpower and wisdom. uh, to get together and persuade them to do so. it is incomprehensible to me a person

who has such wisdom has such willpower that can persuade such children is incomprehensible. why are you even now listening to us julia presenters do not hear us do not hear. if this is me, i want to tell you in a good way. sometimes there is such a notion to bypass sharp corners to be flexible. now you are not flexible. now you are just, well, a little stupid and somehow not very correct, doing all this word to me personally. i specifically answer the word torture not that you don't know, but categorically against this word, this word should not hang somewhere, well, it does not honor you, nor your salon, and even the children who come down will read it. this is this is my opinion. how to make sure that you don't have it there?

it’s elementary to make a decision at your meeting, as some houses do when they need to get out of the cafes and restaurants of their house and say our rules are such that, for example, a haircut is conditionally allowed from 10:00 am to 11:00 am and that’s all. can make their own decisions about the rules of conduct in their house. this is, if they wanted to get rid of you, they got rid of any lawyer a long time ago - this is 3 kopecks. worth it now, as far as. e you, if you want a normal attitude, you must first of all, not yourself, as tenants, not just the tenant or owner asked you, you are nobody there and there is no way to call you. you must persuade your owner to make a decision. a e that he both a turned to the assembly with a request to hang. here is the ad. but if you are now the thesis of the second wrong religious means if you are a man if the hairdresser was skilled and wonderful, then you are a person without knowledge and not smart, because you use symbols that you don’t understand anything. now i'm telling you, kat if you want an expert. well, we can appoint you, you can give me an examination, i, as a religious scholar, can give you

an official examination. you want to apply officially to the russian orthodox university of st. ivan the theologian, how do we deal with this examination, i specifically do this. so i will give a negative opinion on this sign, it's all a matter of only one inscription. here's a tiny one on the door. take it away there will be no scandals scandal brought you here to the studio of channel one. that's what you wanted. you got you came here for pr. you got it god. if this pr will help, just for children, but you are something i think it should be kind, that's what pr, of course, was rightly said commercial. yes, it is charitable. yes, and with a special bias, focusing on these children, well, this is commerce. i want him to die, in general , everything is here, this is very much mom did in early august. why didn't she

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