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today an event in ukraine in the belgorod region the kiev regime, having suffered a defeat in the city of artemovsk, switched to carrying out terrorist actions against the civilian population on may 22 of this year, after intensive artillery shelling of the kazinka international checkpoint and a number of other civilian facilities in the voronsky district of the belgorod region , a unit of the ukrainian nationalist formation invaded the territory russian federation in the course of a counter-terrorist operation with air strikes

, artillery fire and active actions units covering the state border of the western military district. the nationalist formations were blocked and defeated; the remnants of the nationalists were driven back to the territory of ukraine , where they continued to be hit by fire until they were completely eliminated. more than 70 ukrainian terrorists were destroyed, four armored fighting vehicles and five peaks. it is already clear that tasks. eh, i don't know what to call this group of the sabotage group. how to call them general haiku frg sabotage and reconnaissance group, yes, well, i i just call them vlasovites. well, yes , units of modern classists, but it’s still obvious that their task was less military and more. as you said before we started the general program. uh, demonstrative, propaganda, information and so on. but if you

are talking about potentially more serious things, then this, of course, is, of course, further progress in the armament of ukraine and, uh, f-16. a. i 'm trying to remember a month ago, in my opinion, but they explained to us that ukraine would not receive them, that ukraine did not need them. and what, in general wise statesman and will not take steps that could lead to a third world war? but now it suddenly turned out that it is not only possible, but also necessary and, in general, with some minimal restrictions on their use. so let's hear what, uh, about how these aircraft can be used, what the special representative of the state department has to say. we

have made it very clear to the ukrainians that we do not encourage attacks outside ukrainian borders, but i think it is important to remind the world that russia started this war, so ukraine has the right to decide how it wants to conduct its military operations, but the aggressor in this war is russia , always touched by this expression. we do not encourage. we do not encourage the united states to have enough control over uh kiev to be told not to do this, especially when it comes to american aircraft that cannot be transferred to uh ukraine without american permission. what does e mean in practice, and this is american, if you want a careful warning to ukraine that according to russian areas better? almost a blow is not necessary, and this

was explained by the assistant to the president for national security, jack salon, who formulated very clearly that russia and this is one thing ukraine is another. and that all the territories emphasized all the territories that washington considers to belong to ukraine on them, kiev can carry blows there. which means, of course, under donetsk in lugansk and naturally covered like this, what do you think about this generals. you know, here, uh, the issue of supplying e f-16s to ukraine is, of course, such a little mysterious uh, for me anyway, why? well, firstly, of course, the fundamental decision on deliveries was made under pressure, whether there were european allies or not, but biden has changed. his position although before that, uh, in

general, he loudly declared that ukraine's planes were not needed. but you understand, er, in this matter, firstly, when will these deliveries. eh, it's still very difficult to say, because a variety of dates are flashing by a little . some say to holland that they will put eh almost by september, others. uh, official persons in different countries say by the end of the year or next year, but in any case they will be delivered, although the problems that accompany these deliveries. they haven't gone anywhere, americans. they are known, they are announced there by the training of pilots, which occupies. even if they have already begun, it is still six months a year. uh, maintenance training , which is also very, uh, i've said in this studio, one flight hour of the f-16 requires 16 hours of pre-flight maintenance and post -flight medium

infrastructure maintenance. uh, lack of funds aviation defeat, which is their e, which are in limited quantities. there are many technical problems. now there are a few more problems that were not voiced before. this is first, reputational after the defeat of the patriot battery. uh, americans have become very sensitive to reputational costs. if, uh, the f-16s are shot down, and they will be shot down, because this, although this aircraft is the fourth generation, but this is by no means the last word. uh, in aircraft construction, it is inferior to the su-35, not to mention 57 and uh mig-31. he is very good achieved by our s-300 systems. they say obs-400, which has not yet been used, plus the americans. uh, they're taking down some particularly sensitive equipment that reduces, uh, the potential

of this aircraft, but most importantly, uh, about this hundred. to speak, for the first time , the us air force minister said that these aircraft would be based on the territory of ukraine and piloted exclusively by ukrainian pilots. you understand, if they will be based on the territory of ukraine uh, then uh, of course, this is uh, a priority target for destruction of our and our aviation , our artillery, our missiles, especially since we now use gliding bombs very widely, which, by installing a special module, have already been turned into a high-precision airfield weapon. yes, there, if the runway was damaged, it is fast enough, there for several days, uh weeks, uh, it is concreted, but you understand, if it is regularly destroyed,

then the aircraft based at this airfield. this is in general, taking into account the limited number of these aircraft. uh, these will be quite convenient targets for hitting our air force but if they are based outside of ukraine, as the germans already expresses the idea, that in order to get around, this, this one, this trap , take off from airfields on the territory of countries nato and strike at russian troops and return to these airfields. this, of course , is an occasion for strikes, therefore the airfield. and this, of course, is an escalation that will indeed lead to a third world war, but if not a world war, then, when we say, a world war. we naturally, we mean a nuclear conflict between the united states of the russian federation, uh, this will lead exactly to this , uh, the germans are now putting forward such a theory that

they will, yes, be based there on the territory of poland, but use uh, ukraine airfields for uh, so to speak for a jump, that is, they fly to the airfield, ukraine and from there already, uh, they begin to strike, but these tricks , i think, will not lead to anything, so to speak, will not lead to good, our command, you cannot deceive such tricks, so all this will lead to very uh, sad consequences from my point of view. first, i think your terms are correct and well informed. but i have my point of view, less informed, which is reflected in the well- known russian proverb to shit even a cat. maybe i mean, uh, of course, the f-16 is not over the top, a weapon. no, and of course, uh, their capabilities about russia have their own capabilities and russia will find the answer, but

the reality is that every time the scattering succeeds on the battlefield every time uh, russia in sweat and blood grinds the ukrainian part of the collective west and gives ukraine some new opportunities. and this worries me and worries me that it is not necessary that these planes, in combination with hummers and even more long-range missiles, as they should, which ukraine is now receiving, it is absolutely not necessary that they create air superiority for kiev, which we could pretty much interfere with normal life in the crimea, and something else worries me even more, which is still. how to fight in ukraine without going abroad

ukraine, but to make sure that the collective west begins to take this seriously, because i don’t know how your general is, but i have a clear feeling that the enemy is delicately ukrainian corpses. washington is not intimidating. what to do? i think that although the intensity of missile strikes and air strikes. uh, for a number of objects such as depots of e- weapons of fuels and lubricants, an accumulation of equipment. uh, the congestion of personnel is now being applied much more intensely on a regular basis. i'm talking about the latter. well let's just say two weeks, but some objects. doesn't matter for some reason they are not impressed. here, uh, a very competent source in our railway department, so to speak. well, he said quite bluntly that if you want to cut down, uh , the ukrainian railway, then not necessarily

there, but to destroy bridges across the dnieper. this is also good, of course, there are only four of them, but maybe. there are some considerations, so to speak , why they are not being hit, it is necessary to hit the locomotive depot. they're all known them not much uh, no uh, traction, no railroad, so to speak, uh there can be no strikes on e, western ukraine mainly. now, i 'm absolutely sure that if there is, well, not that i'm sure, but i think i believe that if a serious blow is dealt. uh, in the crimea, the answer will be. i think somewhere like this in lviv, and, uh, maybe not even selectively, but still you think that the answer will be on the territory of ukraine, but not on

some, but on the military center, but on the warehouse center decision-making, and in the very west, which in the area patronizes and lets her do what she does. you know, i think that uh at the initial stage of such an escalation. eh, anyway. well, the most natural goal, of course, is where it is concentrated. so to speak, very large logistical and training opportunities. but again, let's say that. so uh translation of this conflict. uh, completely uh to another level. i now agree with you that this should be done to take this to another level. very dangerous and totally agree with you. what is it to do? i really don't want to. i only want say. uh, when washington in london

think about what russia will do. so i want to tell them that it is unambiguous. as you rightly say, no one in moscow who makes a decision, of course, would want to take such a step along the escalation line. of course, such a step would not be desirable. but i don’t know if it is possible, it depends on what the collective smell will do. and if it allows ukraine to inflict really sensitive painful blows on crimea, i don’t know, i don’t know what sin is. in this case in the kremlin you are absolutely right. i do not exclude this at all, moreover, i think that the americans are also aware of this. i don’t take, of course, the rest of the nato members there, they still do everything under control, what they

are told, from washington, but i think washington should also understand if they allow the ukrainians to inflict. as you say , sensitive blows to e, in the same crimea on the territory of the russian federation, then a blow to e, poland, for example, e. i think it will be inflicted further within reality and further the americans will already be thinking, either they , so to speak, start a really serious world war that will lead to mutual destruction, or tell the poles all the guys, this is your business, we will help you with advice. there , money can be a weapon in the fight against the russians. thank you vitaliy you understand very well, not only international politics, but also how to attract attention to the people's public? i ask myself and others the same question all the time, but here's how to make sure that you don't

cross the line. reasonable caution, how to force the collective west to understand that the path it follows is not only dangerous, but can hit them? well, specifically to this question, i rather don’t know the answer, because, judging by the words of the deeds and actions of those who occupy key positions in western and eastern european countries, but these are provocateurs in their purest form, but too active provocateurs. uh, and out of control. uh, all these people in their own parliament, where they are still present, in some of them some other positions are more sober, but i just don’t i see. with this set of politicians we all know by name, they will turn back too. they are tightened into this flywheel and

already by inertia. none of them can do it, and even say something opposite is not what is done. and heavy conflict. well, i think that russia is doing very little. if we say that it does almost nothing to work directly with the societies in these countries, uh, with public organizations, including mm with parliament or wherever possible. well, that is, we focus on these sites there obse in which we now stand up. here, but with this one, thank god you went, although some have long called for doing this, as well, but here i don’t see any of our work. this is the hope that the truth will be defeated by lies and sooner or later they will e think about both forms of e

do not work. eh, so e escalation will be associated with involuntary understanding. in my opinion, what is this game from ukraine worth for, uh, the united states of america. well , you know, americanists constantly tell us, that here are the republicans, here are the democrats, now there is a default, but for the elections so, maybe this way, uh, that is, we are fully aware of american politics, please, but only here is the conclusion for ourselves of such almost all this knowledge. yes, the americans. e, i repeat, they say, the exact opposite of the concept of nothing impossible. i want to return to my fact of this. he is yours, he is, firstly, and regarding the weapons specialist , the supply of weapons, that is what i see, that's how uh and the journalists who have been watching this all this time, of course, the words that we are them

something was not allowed was not allowed. this is an absolute reaction. and what if a weapon of a certain type is supplied, is it supplied in order to shoot from it? therefore, as they say, we did not invite you to any territory. this will not let me encourage people. don't come out. yes, it was necessary to throw it once they put it three hundred kilometers from the gun. so she will shoot sooner or later, which means that it concerns. well from this in my opinion it is necessary to proceed absolutely precisely. and the second thing is very , very dangerous. it's like not paying attention. here they say what it means, where the ukrainian territory is or recognized. there they have the right to do whatever they want. pay attention to our propaganda. you can make a lot of claims. i have them e, fully, but not once have our officials

complained that the e vsu strikes at russian military units armed with armed formations. well, where there is a direct fight, we make claims, when they strike at civilians at exchange facilities, at civilian structures and the like. and the same regarding the belgorod region and so on, but there was a clash right there. they’re not there with military units , so that’s when but i didn’t hear reproaches from the west that we allow you on the territory of ukraine, who we recognize to strike at military formations, but in no case are these words pronounced at peaceful objects. that is, i understand that here they are given carte blanche and directly to belgorod at all. well, in the sense of the belgorod region. i'm talking uh, of course. ah, the propaganda effect. it was the main one in

this case, although they do not rule out that this element of probing, where you can go deep into uh, that's the classic one, well , take some piece of russian territory. and through this organize a bargain. eh, i don't rule it out at all. i think it 's a chain, and they're trying to implement it with these funny connections, of course, of course, but for those people who lived there. this is not a funny action at all, they directly suffered already at his place, but wounded and so there, uh, someone died. uh, i was listening to the last message. well, here, in my opinion, everything is clear, and plus, of course, psychological effect, uh, on our population. that's what the claim is still only russia is not proactive. we respond to their provocations there. but only when these provocations happen, but we don't strike preventive borders, it's hmm ukraine

. and strikes, uh, that are not only of purely military significance. well, this is the meaning to completely demoralize the top. they are united, indeed, there is no need to stir up ukrainian nationalism. he reached the highest degree to dismantle the top, decision maker. that's what, uh, our population of our society is all from this. tepnya speaks more actively about this, uh, and therefore i would not reduce the value of what happened and what is needed from this. uh, in my opinion, to draw conclusions very quickly, including, again, what we talked about. hmm in many studios, uh, and in many cases, that this is still a front line and, according to the laws of warfare, large-scale everything. it should be subordinated to ensuring that the security of the population there is maximally ensured.

inhabited fart. and for this , military units must constantly exist there . thanks, let's go to the advertisement , we'll be back in just a few minutes and we'll talk. philosopher alexander dugin on russian soft power, what can russia do in this situation to influence the dynamics of our fight against the collective hall, beyond what the military can provide ? i wish you a warm place in german intelligence, you need johannes, you know have ever thanked you. now your task is to justify the high trust

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ukraine oleksandr we know what is happening on the battlefields. we know what diplomats do, or at least we know a lot of it. in general, we know quite a bit about what is being done and what can be done mobilize others. uh, russian resources are the resources of what the united states calls soft power, that is, not military methods or weapons, but nevertheless those tools, those techniques that allow you to exert, uh, real influence on the freedom of action of opponents. here, if we turn

focus on defining what network warfare is, we see it as it is. as a matter of fact, to a large extent something similar, but to soft power, we will see that there is a strict distinction between culture , propaganda, the economy of the information sphere, technology and military operations. these boundaries are blurred, they all flow into one another from a systematic approach. therefore , one of the principles of network warfare is to include the enemy. and that's what's interesting, even according to the rules of basic textbooks and an ally and a neutral country into a single controlled field into a network or into a single environment. even there is such a neologism work is sinking when network becomes a verb ictv

that's how this is the principle of softpower - this is not a completely harmless thing. this is not something separate from the art of war; it is the strategy of the new postmodern. e, the cycle of new and new eras. so, uh, the effectiveness of the softpower of our enemies is not that they run one or another successful propaganda campaign, they recruit some people before they actually, but to proceed to such already to the military direct. ah, force. they networked russia, they penetrated ours with their software, power with their environment, with their institutions of their operating system. they introduced their nuclear power plant operating system into our society. and they know how it works, because they know the codes that they came up with. they know how these processes and all protocols are carried out. the main packages of e-codes in a broad sense, not

only in a purely internet sense, because the network is not the internet, and the internet is one from network measurements. the network is much more. eh, the global thing includes values ​​here includes attitudes psychology of social engineering network - this is in this context. these are huge things and the question of education is absolutely science entertainment life is just ordinary life we ​​think that we ourselves choose. where to go to ikea there or in some mall or there for barbecue, but in fact these people are pushing us to this choice, because our demand is also now controlled, like supply. so that's about russia faced with this coinciding is located inside the territory, which it does not control, which does not know the principles of functioning, which remain behind our frame. and here we are facing a generally very difficult task in our softwower. first, deal with it. how we ended up inside their softpower, how

we were introduced by the network to us certain installations at the level of the society of the state of the economy of the military spheres or to develop our own, if you like, such a civilizational operating system, that is, the first task is a grandiose one, which requires a distance in relation to the west, yes, and liberalization , if you like, yes, without a brake, and the second task is no less grandiose to establish our own principles and build around our fundamental values ​​completely different from those in the west and start networking with others, a situation immediately arises , about which we said today that our government is used to dealing with legitimately, as we consider and recognize, elected political elites, and all these elites betrayed us and it turned out that we have, besides the body. maybe to be erdogan on that on the other side should be aside. we don’t have anything in nato, and we forget that the peoples of the society are a huge contra elite in dal from the west to the same america

, this is the same force that we don’t use, preferring to negotiate only with the existing elites. and if we started this work, if we started deploying our own soft power, then we would first carry out a counter-operation to get rid of the most toxic elements of their networks. give an example. for example, liberalism an ideology that has permeated our education , culture, science, the humanities, practically our way of life, our youth to us. it's just that we are completely in the operating system of the liberal ideology. and it's 30 years old. we, despite even our sovereign turn with vladimir vladimirovich putin, still this system continued to be introduced. and we continued to dive deeper and deeper into this operating system. it's just that all we live for is the liberal web. and, of course, they know how it works, and at the right time. moment something take out some sanctions just something.

it happens to get inside it. here is an example of liberalism for liberalization is necessary, dewesternization is necessary, as the first moment in parallel it is necessary, of course, deploys its own networks built on its own values ​​on its own principles. we must recognize ourselves as the subject of this war, the subject of this civilizational clash, and not just some kind of fragment of a part of the global world that does not agree with some certain honest turns. well for example, there on the territory of ukraine we are not talking about this at all. we are dealing with global software, power and this global soft power. we cannot act locally. just fighting back. there he defends something shouting out to the individual, as propaganda campaigns will be lost. we have it all falling apart because we don't have an operating system. we work according to their characteristics, according to their principles, according to their rules, on their territory, on their network territory. we actually found ourselves in this network context under the external administration of the occupied country until now

here, despite the fact that 23 years ago the path to freedom , to sovereignty, to liberation from this began, and we are on this path, and we have reached a critical point, but in fact, we still have not corrected this situation. anyway, we are practically standing at taking the first steps. in this direction , unfortunately, even in terms of awareness, because only now , more than a year after the ne, we began to think about liberalism as a system of views. we 've thrashed it before. so from time to time time. well, not seriously, and now it turned out that this is the operating system that needs to be disposed of, firstly, how to get rid of it. second, that instead of these questions. now we are starting to discuss, thank god. but this is the way to our symmetrical response to this mildly strong coincident occupation , and vitali's comrades are absolutely right. uh in

the nineties uh, when you spoke to representatives of the new russian foreign policy elite and inoculate me immediately. if i say something that you do not agree with, but when you were talking in in the 1990s, with representatives of the russian no longer political elite , one often got the impression that, uh, they were not just studying the west, that they were not just exchanging opinions on the west, that they were not even just trying to find some common interests. that they reckoned themselves with the west, that both in their soul and in their pocket, how they received grants where they went to work, so that in general they , uh, for them, as for the nobles of the late xix century, their country began to seem and body of the people, but

the collective west well, in general, belonging to the collective west for a citizen of the world, to the davos forum it was a starting point for them, it wasn’t even that they were being sold, it didn’t occur to them that they were doing something bad for this, of course, from the point of view of russian sovereignty it was very dangerous . no, i agree with you. now it's spicy. it's certainly very such a year then. well, there for 10 years, relatively speaking, it was well, a colossus. changes have taken place in our country, but it is precisely in the political class in the political elite without ideological amplifiers elite result. uh, alexander says, shpen said being free territorial and even uh, taking on the historical responsibility to return historical lands, that is, everything, because russian people live there whom even

physical russianness is trying to solve u we uh, which has never happened in the history of russia we have been informationally occupied so far this is the consequences. these people were in love with the west. moreover, they believed that they were great organizations. than western for themselves. yes, yes, it is always a romanticization of such a situation exists. this is the second time. hmm, they thought that, well , i have such words all over the city that russia this is an unfinished skid, infernal a-a asiope, and besides, their stream or there in the west, but you finish it and we finally. well, what is there to say for a long time the education system was built like this. they love me when there are stands in our history, when they talk about it, i often say. i do not know a single russian

historical concept, which in the 90s, by the way, in 2000 was also transferred to the western world thanks to our cooperation. historiography, but all western concepts, including regarding russia as bad aggressive and so on. all passed to us, including textbooks from school to university monographs and everything else. and as a result, this is the result of this vicious policy. hmm , they don’t love property. what griboyedov wrote about there, but what can i say, but let’s take the sad talk in the most evangelized americanized ones, and who is the representative of the russian establishment of that time ? this is an oligarchy. it is their famous ones, their surnames are known. i was personally acquainted with all with them, where they are now. i speak from those who lay down in a grave, as a rule violently. uh, this is one of those who survived became

the oligarchs and then anyway, but those who managed to get through between this and that were deprived of their property there in the west. they have always believed that this is the most sacred property, no one will take it away from them. and even more so will not present an account. and how did you get it there in russia, and all this was on the note in this way, those who loved the west most of all and considered russia least of all worth living country. but besides getting money from here, they got theirs. although it would seem that each of them should be found in their hands, because they transferred the wealth of russia in many respects there. all attitude. productive, well, i don’t know what else there is to prove difficult questions. you know how to answer them. e clear and concise. these years of the nineties they

finished, which is 23 years ago. yes, they are still not finished. that's what i wanted to ask you. so the special operation began. at some segment of the elite. this caused a very strong rejection. someone left. something in this regard, something in this regard, but in the orientation of e and the elite, it has seriously changed , you know, it is changing, but it is changing, but is russia such a huge complex country, or do we really have these expanses. uh, it’s continental they influence us, that everything we do, except for the worst, happens very slowly, that is, about the explanation of the consciousness of the political ruling elites , it is infinitely reserve, that is, we have been pursuing a course of 23 years on sovereignty in consciousness and the elite remains untouched in nine.

we entered into a direct conflict with the west in the fourteenth year and are already simply already in a hot war with the west with the collective west in this twenty-second year more than a year ago and still the consciousness of a huge part of the ruling class. it remains, as they are now just waiting, when it 's over, they just can't accept to come to terms with this idea to accept that we are not part of the west but we are self- initialized. this is where they run from. it's just that they're scared, and despite the fact that both vitaly comrade correctly said, if there is a lot of evidence that this is exactly the case and the west is generally for their people. there, in principle, does not consider not for the western. just like everyone else. this is russian liberal russian society. the west has all its own separate criteria for one for the other, and so on, starting with morgan when a savagery was equated with black varus yellow, and civilization with white. now removed skin color biological racism has disappeared,

but from the point of view. logical development ta the same gradation and the russian alligar is a barbarian. at the oligarch. he arrived, it's still yellow in their understanding. he he has another completely. uh, caste, of course, you can do whatever you want with it. and they cannot understand and recognize this, but i am generally optimistic. yes, i see that everything is very slow with us. i 'm harnessing so slowly that it's already scary. you think there's nowhere to go and there will be nothing if you continue to harness it like that, but still these changes are harnessing. i see these changes. they are inevitable, so i it seems that the oligarchs were once fast, maybe their children have already turned white, but once they thought very quickly . now is the time to think and move instantly faster, without stretching. this is just a sound rationalistic analysis of the situation. and he claims that russia is a self-sustaining civilization, doomed to a very tough and not conflict with the west. we

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big game russian armed forces, how they have changed in recent years. yes , dmitry, of course, i will not go deep into the history of the first world war, the second world war, a different situation, a different ideology. eh, the historical setting is different. and here is what happened to the russian army. after it became the russian army, that is, after the collapse of the soviet union , it’s really worth talking about it, uh, it’s interesting, you understand at the time of the collapse. e of the soviet union e, firstly, the soviet

army. eh, let's just say she was. uh, well, in no way inferior to, uh, the armed forces of the united states, moreover, it surpassed them, because after all, historical experience is experience. uh, victories, experience in large operations. the soviet army had much more. the soviet union broke up and, uh, the russian army ended up in a very, uh, i would say deplorable state. i remember this period very well. i served myself. what did russia get in such a way, if we just purely mathematical e russia got the inner districts in the european parts. well, plus uh, our eastern districts are all uh, the most equipped with both personnel and equipment and uh districts of the first category of the group of forces, uh, on the western front, which was considered the main front of the confrontation with nato, the western group of forces, the south north

central group of forces. uh, three districts on the territory of ukraine are the baltic military district. uh, the belarusian military district, all this is gone. uh, ukraine by the way, upon the collapse of the soviet union, it received the most powerful armed forces of 450,000 people. grouping yes, uh western group uh southern group the southern group of troops was withdrawn to the territory of ukraine completely western group partially. uh, that is, all the most modern equipment, uh, three aviation armies. uh, six uh, total claim armies. but, then there is a huge amount of weapons stockpiles. uh, that is , scattering in this regard, it turned out that i was the soviet army, but actually became ukrainian. yes. yes, of course, but thank god ukraine did not get the black sea fleet.

e. here. the only thing that showed, so to speak, a certain firmness of the russian leadership, because ukraine claimed the things of the naval fleet, but it was possible to say so, and to divide it honestly, that is, the main forces went to the russian federation and a small part. well, not so much the leadership of ukraine as the military, well, the military yes, the military, but you yourself understand that, of course, the first violin is always played by the political leadership. if we take examples of the sea there with all sorts of agreements, when the complexes were destroyed, despite the protests of the military. so the political decision was made to destroy it. uh complex, ak in the eighties and destroyed it like that, and therefore, uh, here are our first and second chechen campaigns, of course, they were very hard, the second one was a little easier, and the first one was in general. we collected battalions from all over the territory in all districts. uh, defined so to speak, to

create uh a more or less decent grouping. and then u after u from the end of the nineties , a political decision was made to start reforming the armed forces and went. ah, here are the reforms. and you know, uh, well, thank god at times. e, when he came he was chosen. e, vladimir vladimirovich putin in 2000. he also continued the reform process, but at first the approach was very cautious. the tenure of the minister of defense sergei borishcha, ivanova well, reforms. i remember they were reducing the personnel, so to speak, some units were reformed, something merged, but all this was without much damage to combat capability. then, uh, the next secretary

of defense decided, so to speak, to make the reforms as radical as possible, and uh , his approach was such that we need to take the american model, that is, uh, brigade level. uh, air bases instead of army aviation regiments divisions uh, i tried to take into account that i was then head of the international division of the ministry of defense trying to prove that we have completely different histories , different traditions. e. yes, even here is such an example that our chief of the general staff at one time could not believe in any way that the chairman of the ukrainians, in principle, is not at all equal in authority to him, because our chief of the general staff. he's on the chain of command. he even has this the called button is one of three, and the chairman's adviser. he's off the chain of the committee

of chiefs. yes, the joint chiefs of staff, it's sort of like an analogue. our general staff, but it is outside the chain of command type, because the chain of command of the united states is the president, the secretary of defense, the commander-in-chief of the unified command, or the commander-in-chief of the theater, the knsha has an adviser. he gives advice and, uh, carries out staff preparatory work, so to speak. so, uh, our reform, of course reforms in terms of military education, when they were liquidated, but a very large number of schools. now we are already experiencing it. we have certain shortcomings in the middle officer level of the air force. when it was left there instead of two academies, a dozen aviation schools were merged into one instead of there, two were left. uh, general military school. the same. well, that is, of course, these reforms. they were so to speak, maybe attractive from the point

of view, so to speak, but wagandist, but uh in fact, of course, they led to a significant decrease in our far east in the band e, the brigade numbered several thousand kilometers there, which, of course, is absolute nonsense. here, and with the advent, and here is the minister of defense, sergei kozhevgetovich shoigu, who is now in charge of the expressed forces and the chief, of course, gerasimova , of course, many mistakes were corrected and this allowed us to create a combat-ready armed forces, despite all these here uh malice. i am surprised. just when the americans seem to be serious analysts in all seriousness talk about the degradation of the russian army that we do not have weapons. we don't have ammunition. we are all over. we've lost almost half a million people there, huh?