it's just not a pattern. eh, deliberately chosen. he does not understand his own something in stva, tricksterism for him. these are, of course, his glasses. this is how he sees the world. this is how it feels . uh, this is somehow especially the type of relationship she never had. yeah, well, uh, very very deep. for some reason i just remembered. here, listening to you about this celebrity is a medieval story about a juggler. mother of god yes, who is a juggler, yes , who did not know how to express his reverence, stood in front of the flock of the mother of god, just, well, and portray the fact that he is there depicts cheese. yes, and in this sense it can be compared, because after all, from somewhere there is eastern christian youth, a slightly different tradition, most likely french and not by chance shermanta, there it became sansom. yes, let's figure this out, yes. yes, now we are monks and we will start philologists have not finished we will start with the monks philolome we will finish and look

bi uh, his famous article uh don quixote and layol, i understand that he was not the first, who even, in my opinion, in some articles it is written that ignatius layol, the founder of the jesuit order, that he is the prototype of don quixote but for russian culture. this is two. here are completely incompatible images. we have the word jesuit, maybe because of the sound of something similar to a fanatic, but the jesuit gives rise to extremely negative connotations, but it shows how many intersections there are and the right of the spruce says, but still the order of the jesuits and traditions oriental christian monasticism is, as they say, a huge distance, like a classic, which means that because of this they are not monks, not mojitos. it's just perfect other destination. yes, orders, but in fact, really. here in this article, and it is emphasized there that in fact they are both aiola and uh, donkey move people action. yes, this is homobr. yes, it’s some kind of thing, uh, but in

fact it’s just uh, in the same article it says that the jesuit is a system. yes, that is, this is a certain sequence of actions, firstly, complete obedience, which we do not see, in principle, directly in don quixote. well, actually to him. what a system , he is just a completely non-systemic person. yes, if he is a monk, then such, er, as if wandering yes lonely monk e yes. i thought that here the question would arise rather about dulcine. this is us separately fanatical. faith is actually about the same speech. and when he compares the goal, it really wasn’t the first one at all. could be two and well, the important thing is that well didn't hmm yes, and he knew about the fir-tree there, do you understand well? this is what the metal in the air is a and he writes an image related, but different. this is where friendliness is important. what is not equal to loyal? well, look at another

interesting moment for me personally, in my opinion, he writes about it without or about it. he says that this is the type of saint. but this is active holiness. and here, too, probably to a greater extent, but such a western christian than eastern christian or not? yes, yes, he says about it, that it is not contemplation. he just contrasts contemplation with activity, but in fact, don quixote with his contemplation is also all right. i really like the episode. it seems to me, again, it is clear that i was the first to notice that sancho often lands. but when he says, i will be right now, it means to fight here to pray. there is something dunking to beat stones, and so it's all true. sublime, as they would say today, pompous, and sancho says, you are more careful, you can kiss once, so the head of a pebble and your whole game is repentance. it will end right there. oh, is this a rmb game or is it just, well, he keeps him from taking off, so to speak. it's too far of it, probably

right, right? he's still there, after all, on the verge of polarity interacting all the time. da sancho the guys have such pragmatism, then really the ability is a friend, but to see, to hear, uh, high and uh, yes, there is a game here, it is exposed and laughs. not only sancho is there, the author is other heroes, there is a priest with e a barber, and so on, well, yes, there is a game, but they are indivisible in a shit way, but let's talk about love then. but you have already begun to talk, but about some kind of inner feeling. it just seems to me that we can be fundamental, the most important answer to questions, in my opinion, is something that asks income, and he says, yes, you understand, sancho that it doesn't matter to me at all whether it exists or not. some kind of love was remembered, of course, not beatrice at all. yes, because he did not see them in dulcines. in general, never

in the eyes, that is, for him. this is just some kind of really service to a beautiful lady, which, as we know, has a long tradition, but goes back to the veneration of the mother of god, after all, from the very beginning. e, therefore, although there in one episode they say to him, listen, well, what are you calling for with some kind of blue instead of praying to god, yes, and he is such complex, there are explanations that i also turn to god. but it’s clear that this is some kind of screen lady after all. why charm? is that the beautiful lady herself? yes, in which don quixote serves as a screen, in the sense that it is like an appeal to the first image. well, in my opinion, maybe on the one hand, yes, but on the other hand. here, uh, vladimir vladimirovich , correct me. if i am mistaken, after all, as they say, yes, because a and the sideboard, most likely , have not read medieval chivalric novels. the content changed very quickly, yes. already after all, there were novels written, and to which he

refers to the renaissance, because in medieval medieval chivalric romances, there is no such thing yet. well, that's the relationship right there. the knights are there, of course. really. mostly. these are the novels of the 16th century and a little earlier, one way or another, the novel of the british cycle, and not the caroline yes, this is all very strong, er, later courtly culture, yes, with all its conventions. and already passing into the stage of such a manism? yes, this is the kind of ethics on which the serving is a little ironic. he plays with him at some level this is a game. but playing with yourself today is exhausting. and then it's all very serious. i am absolutely right, these simeon e, the flesh to those levels where there is memory, and the veneration of the mother of god of the mother of god will then echo in russian culture there was a knight in the world, poor dostoevsky a. there, prince myshkin yes, and in general, these meanings are actualized as a necessity. eh, the ideal associated with

the high christian sense of the eternally feminine mother of god, of course, its stances, but also deified. uh, i wouldn't go through this woe from the woe of speech so much here. uh, it's just serious there. and here it is a little bit in the playing field of don quixote partly 300 dante who visited dante's purgatory paradise , these images are related. that is, tithes, and we will attribute don quixote, of course, yes with a dant, because it’s just the cultural language that the sideboard undoubtedly knew . of course , today we gathered our thoughts about the great novel of cervantes don quixote , archimedrid semyon tomachinsky vadim vladimirovich polonsky i vladimir igor a continue, and what about uh hmm don quixote and

sancho boys. yes, two points. we still can't do it anymore. but but really e , today we have already heard. what is rustic? maybe even stupid there greedy or just greedy, sancho by the end of the second volume turns. he is almost really, not a biblical sage, who is on this pseudo-island, so to speak, when the leaders. yes, he does make some of the wisest decisions at all. every time i re-read it, i'm sorry that he leaves from there. and what is it all are you playing? he? well, how can you be so cool, you have already begun to manage here and donkey, whose course is very often very much compared with christ, these parallels. how do they respond? why do you have well with christ of course, it can be strong? now i don’t even know, it’s clear that it’s not with the theologian. from the point of view he asks, yes, well, the fact that sancho pansy, of course, is also an extraordinary figure, who also devoted himself to serving his master. although he

doesn’t even consider this directly as his master, he had every right to. there, at any moment, leave him and i don’t understand at all, he understands perfectly well, in general, what it is, what it is nonsense, that this is some kind of foolishness and so on, well, the question, you know, that is, he seems to understand, and suddenly, but it seems to me that it’s absolutely not because of some mythical governor there. he goes, because there are some moments it is clear that he is close . eh, here's to some respected person. e friend. yes, you can say e in this one, the enterprise of which he does not even really understand the meaning. it seems to me that this is his devotion. and it's not some kind. here is such a dog he has criticism there. he scolds there, maybe there was even a blast, there and so on. that is, it's not some kind of. here. eh, blind let's say obedience. yes. e, if this

terminology is introduced, and this is a conscious choice of love, e, follow don quixote. and in this, of course, he is absolutely amazing, but what is the nature of their relationship, and he changes throughout this big books, sanchopans, vassal of this knight. but here duality is important. that's how banks move he and a madman, when it comes to chivalry and a sage, so sancho he and uh, just like a man, pragmatic greedy, uh, and one who is capable of selflessness serving his u e, and seeing things unites them what they are, uh, that’s what they say brains dial yes , they are such irreplaceable wanderers, one for the sake of fame and the other, and in fact such love, of course, if love for this uh for this person is there for his son. well they're in at one point they became so fused that one didn't introduce themselves to the other. and by the way, in those chapters where they diverge. eh,

it feels like something is not that broken, something is starting to be missed. yes , sancho actually already has him both at the beginning of the novel and at the end of the novel. he is dual. he, of course, e is changing, but less than income. i said so. and now he has already been solomon , already so vaguely the rule of the island in other situations showed its module. let's have the final then. let's see, there, of course, it is very hard going through the end of his friend and that's it. zarena but at the same time perfectly manages to get drunk on pizza. yes, otherwise he was not himself. he remains true to himself. it's surprisingly a find as, uh, artistic, a find , this pair complementing each other, yes, but you know, in terms of the reader's reaction. i , well, i try to re-read this great book with some regularity and and here are my personal sympathies. here are the involuntary ones that arise. yes, when this violence is the violent charm of the image. yes, i have them quite clearly moved from don quixote to sanch. yes, if at the beginning

somehow i was much closer and more interesting . i followed. so i involuntarily responded to don quixote now to sancho, you know what other thought is very expensive. mm someone said they don't. nothing more important than talking to each other to each other. that is , these are people about dialogue, these are people who are constantly in dialogue. yes, this is a wonderful thought indeed in general and between themselves and the mutual complement of these opposites, as if there are some meanings, after all, they argue there and so on swear and so on, but also some very important meanings are spoken. eh, maybe this is just the main thing, er, there is a charm of this work. here in their combination in their common communication and in the fact that like from this unity is just a dialogue, as life shows , it is not such a simple thing. and this is a great value. it seems to me that all people can retain the possibility of dialogue. yes, and here

it’s also so masterfully done, and there they themselves sprinkle a little endlessly, they will try to use sayings. yes, all the time in general, uh, in spanish culture, sancho is a folklore name, and many different kinds of small folklore are associated with it. genres in which one way or another about such a simpleton asked him, yes. well, or just a point. yes, it says. eh, often these sayings are completely meaningless. but really, uh, you understand peas in anger, yes, but because of this, he scolds income more scolds than lays. here but this is a meaningless saying. this is his pragmatic grounding, which means stupidity. yes, and so on, somehow it turns out to be amazing, but malleable for, uh, quite serious, very deep. the dialogues with don quixote are simply extremely subtly done. here here nabokov is completely wrong. it's not that, it's not that, he didn't see that cervantes is the same

flaubert in these things, you understand? we don't have much time left. i know literally dotted line. i would like to say a few words, we have already come to this a little bit , but i will not speak now to the literary children of don quixote , because this is an eternal image and images that live independently, we will probably have to gather our thoughts about this topic once again . i just wanted to ask hmm do you have any favorite kids stuffiness. i'll start the actual confession. i really love the japanese shusakoend author. e remarkable writer of the xx century. japanese catholic, 2 totally unexpected, maybe, for japanese culture, it has the flavor of the fifty-ninth, in my opinion, 1950 the ninth, dear mr. fool, who , when we translated for some reason, said that this is xperiitta there is something such, although it is quite obvious. that is dostoevsky's idiot, but by and large it is don quixote, so to speak, in the limit, the hero who, ah, it turns out, have you

heard any of your favorite don quixotes in the cupboard today? of course, dostoevsky is necessary. this is the most obvious image. but if we continue the theme of idiots, yes, there was such a wonderful even a french author of the 20th century already recent. and so it is called, as i was an idiot. now i don’t remember his last name, but here is also something from this series. eh, so immediately more. and you have, uh, i really like the heirs of the encode in the english classic novel. here from filling what is called here? uh, this same joseph andrew - this is andrew starting and to deakins to pickwick. and here, well, and here are the figures of the pastors. the oddest pastors . yes, it's such a gallery, very interesting very curious. for me, this is very warm. the heirs of don quixote are warm

- this means that without big claims, you understand without, uh, hanging over the abyss of risk here. eh, it's so good in english, like they'll do. well, by the way, by the way, yes, you definitely see how we turned, but still our dear lev nikolaevich myshkin and here he is in what dialogue with this move is the prince. we already have a poor wind. hmm. well, rather, for dostoevsky , and for the three daughters, this is such a certain landmark, with which they constantly compare the prince. e. well, dostoevsky, of course, was called prince christ christ in the manuscript, and uh. similarly, he saw, uh, don quixote and

, of course, his famous words that if they proved to me with all foresight that the truth is not with christ, then i i would like to stay with christ yes, this is don quixoteism. for dostoevsky, it is connected precisely with myshkin; this is not a dialogue. it's like he rather, an emanation even in them is there in general for the author. well, the last question then. and we have identified so many forks, yes, and the question is this, and it is clear that every time every generation, yes, it reads such great books in its own way. and he learns something about himself, including about his time. that's how you think that today, with the help of donka laughter, we learn about our time and about ourselves. well, are we mired in consumerism? i now as already accusatory paphos yes. yes, it is necessary to get-anguish, yes, to slap in the final really to carry out. yes, but actually

in fact, it is true that a person, uh, for the sake of an idea , let there be the most crazy uh, for the sake of ideals, let's say, uh, he is ready for anything, for any sacrifice and leave all his property, all his opinion. eh, that's another matter. here again, i repeat, what follows after this, how wise it is, how correct it is, but here is his inner readiness for a feat. such is the e, which we now clearly lack for everyone, i first of all speak to myself in relation to don quixote, and today in a tragic situation. because we really need those knights who uh pounce on these mills and show that in fact it is true giants yes, somehow in modern civilization. she is like that. yes, this is where it seems, the mill is there, there the evil giants are super, but on the other hand. the most terrible things in the modern world can be done in the name of an idea, and this temptation, uh, was deeply and well understood by the culture

of the 20th century. but uh, let's say the hero of the chingura cherenguru of this platonov is the heirs of don quixote too. yes, here. well, we have to rethink the need for the savior don quixote and he can be a terrible substitution so. to say thank you very much to one vladimirovich pavlovsky archimandrite, zion of tochinsky. i am vladimir berry. today we gathered thoughts about the great novel of cervantes don quixote, be sure to re-read, if you haven’t re-read it for a long time, friends, if you like to gather your thoughts with us, then all the podcasts of our program. you can find one tv.ru on the website of channel one. creative industry podcast on channel one again elena kiper and roman karmovyi

media manager, general director of the presidential fund for cultural initiations for a little while longer. we will now say that elena kipper is not only a producer, but also a music video maker. today we have a wonderful guest ilya averbukh, honored master of sports of russia , silver medalist of the olympic games in ice dancing. and now i’ll tell you how ilya loves to be represented for the last 17 years, at least as a director, director, producer, and not only ice, but also spectacular shows , that’s right, absolutely everything. well hello. hello. let's go back, then it already turns out 17 years, uh, 19 years ago, when you left, so to speak, how many years have passed from the profession, just 19 years. here you are leaving the profession in our romance. this is how it looks like he left the profession and immediately became a famous producer immediately. in

general, the ice show started like this, but it was not like that, everything was absolutely not like that. eh, it really is. uh, 2003, when, uh, we ended our sports career all the time after lopachev. i accepted we trained before, the united states of america just reached the mekkali at that moment, but i decided that we were returning home and we would build our career at home, but it was connected, first of all, with the fact that i wanted to create something of my own in 2003 year. we returned home. i tried to try myself. e, in several evacuations, to any already a person who has tasted the media that makes him famous, of course, i still want to stay on, we know, yes, i want to stay afloat, therefore, of course, so many athletes run, and on television , someone goes into politics, therefore. i came back to figure skating, but only in terms of already creating my ice

show. if now there is really an ice show, it is but their abundance. yes, uh, in general, some kind of ice show takes place every month. we have a lot of different projects, then at that time this genre was generally in position zero. that is, he was still during the soviet union . so we were not allowed to perform in the show of the west , then such an internal tour was organized, he it was called, in general, a tour of siberia, uh, in the cities of siberia, uh, the guys went like that , you know the legends that the guys, after the tour, left on the volga, on the volga there the blacks are a dream. what kind of person? you know, just, probably, somewhere in the seventies. the eighties , even, probably, the seventies after that a huge role. eh, in the creation of such a theatrical industry ice played although anatolyevna tarasova and igor bobrin and then it was. a single team e igor bobrin e ovchinnikov yuri ovchinnikov and tatyana tarasova

created a single team, then it broke up to two teams of the theater igor bobrina , the theater of ice miniatures and, uh, the team of tatiana tarasova rasputin, that is, such a deep reading, sometimes tatyana anatolyevna is such a show performance. i remember this is her beautiful program. at the end they have the number new york new york, uh all kinds of golden top hats. and that, too, was all absolutely to blame. yes , the creation of not just numbers of divertiments, but namely the creation of performances with these performances. tatyana anatolyevna traveled half the world. well, i think i'm the only one here right now. i may be wrong at this time in the eighties all. it stopped altogether. tatyana anatolyevna returned.

gave us victories with lyosha yagudina with katya gordeev gordeeva and seryozha grinkov pasha grechuk or oksana grischuk and evgeny platov marina klimova sergei ponomarenko this is all that tarasova tatyana anatolyevna brought later and, probably, not everything will be but ilya kulik, of course, a genre. in general, in ice history, he calmed down a little for those quietly and somehow lived like this and therefore for almost 20 years. this is how figure skating happened. in fact, it was not popular, but they sat in tournaments. here in my time, let's say it's 2000, only the grandmothers and mothers of the participants. here you can watch the championship of russia that sokolniki usually took place. here is another palace. uh, now , thank god, it will reconstruct to do, in general, and so here we are there and such absent-minded moms dads, and such here inside behind the scenes such a story. eh, of course, eh. there's a big push. uh, here's the 1998 olympics. i'm sure you

won't even remember who won there, and it was the triumphant olympiad. for us, the ninety -eighth year. any ideas hello, i'll quickly finish the questions now. and after that, soltoich city - this is just the scandalous first scandalous olympics, we won very few medals there was the first doping scandal there was a scandal with figure skating, careful of their rulers who won olympic gold a big scandal in the press some sort of solo decision has been made. i feel great strength. it was necessary, and the wisdom of the goods nikolaevna moskvina, that the guys also went to this award, there were a lot of questions , they handed over the second gold medal, if anyone does not remember. what, is it unprecedented? the history of our canadians became olympic champions

beyond scandals in dancing on ice. but, of course, it shook me up. it's already 2002. and now, as i remember now, we are in america , there is a teleconference going on, the studio in moscow is all excited. everyone is discussing in favor of the matter, of course he gets up. nikita mikhalkov screams, that's it, come back in mine, let's cast your medals, in general, a and so on. and of course, this one here is interesting. and with us , he still loves a little, of course, and to regret, and to those who did not guess, especially. and i, probably, could conditionally capitalize. i would say to monetize, but from the point of view of the ice show, it was a little easier for me to start, because here we came second at the olympics. but here is the feeling that something was not finished there, and so on. i still think that everything was absolutely correct, i emphasize it directly, but i used it by creating my first ice show, which took place in novosibirsk and forever.

i will remember this only a small ice tour from six cities. all. it was all about enthusiasm. no one at all, uh, a priori, did not believe that it was possible at all, now, again, everyone is everywhere, and the guys were all in america in russia skating exclusively if, at the request of the figure skating federation, there was no commerce in this story and say i don’t traveled because they thought all the money is there nothing to come forward here. if you really need it, then hope that the federation will give you something more as a result of this tour in siberia, the black volga, apparently not, the volga black didn’t smell there, but i really concluded commercial contracts with all the guys, that is, they were pulled out from america and pulled them out of america. it was my victory. from a commercial point of view, we have done poorly. well, because they can't do anything. yes, what year, uh, it was just the 2003 world cup. and then here's another 2,000 in 2004, but bad bad, because

the palaces seemed to be full, but uh, many employees of the palace made a lot of friends who came in through the uh service entrance and so on. in general, we could not control anything at all, like a full palace at the box office, not a lot of things, and in general, that’s all. it was not very correct in terms of logistics, they spent it there, and this one too. although it was such youthful courage from america , there was no such conversation that they sat down after all this. well, after the first time and i listen somehow you know, let's go back down, you know absolutely correctly the question everything was compensated by the amazing reception of people, for example, that's all until now. we are sitting in this in kemerovo, remembering how the miners met us later, let's give these helmets. we are being transported with these lanterns. you can't imagine, we get on the bus, well , we get on the bus. people come up and pick up the men and swing like this in the bus

, they rock the reception - amazingly, that's why the russian soul is like that. here, yes, therefore, uh, of course, uh in terms of logistics. yes, we went by bus for 600-700 km. now already the roads are much better than then, it was winter and me, so that the guys would somehow be comfortable, but they twisted the rear seats with their hands in part of the bus, threw mats there, bought these bags, sleeping bags. and just like that, that is , we had part of the first bus that was driving. and there were those behind. uh, in this bus, in general, on the mattresses, we will also have, like, slept, like, and so on inside. ilya verbukh felt. yes, what are these tests for? that is, i saw something ahead. it's very it was just courage you you know. back home well, you think with your mind, here's some kind of strategy in all this was the desire to prove that i can, there was a huge desire, uh, to create something of my own, because

in sports i was very crowded in this regard. basically, we ended up quite so relatively early. i was still 29. well , it could have been skating for another 4 years. well, that is, you could still pull this story. at that moment we became world champions, and in general, it was possible to fight it’s not a fact that we would have resisted, but it was possible to continue until the last time, as many people pull to skate, then i really wanted to create something of my own, this was right here it was the main one, so it gave strength to open cabinets. this is how i danced in front of you just now, also, i danced there as conditional sponsors such banks that have not existed for a long time, yes, or they poured somewhere, there, uh, in front of each other, but here i am saying that is a figure, what is an ice show? i'm telling you, i have. it's good that you i say, well, that's coming out skaters, we turn on. here we have creative industries, i turn off the lights. uh, we have a beautiful light. and here, uh, like this, but it was, then

, just remember, there was a dispute channel such that it was organized. we also dragged the tcp to the same place, novosibirsk, to show this show, that is, it was a huge job, but because to promote it, but the second was very important. whatever the cons were to pay off the guys, so here is the start of 2004 next year will be e. well, here is 2004 in 2003 how to celebrate we decided to celebrate will be next year. we will be celebrating 20 years. anyway, what are you doing? this is generally called the body . not everyone has organizational skills, and at some point they must be recognized in oneself. this is before that step, when you are already doing it, when the guys need to prove everything, and so on. here. that's when you realized it, maybe in childhood. i do not know has been a leader since childhood, for example, always wanted to run with me. well, it's not like that at all. i

have never been a leader. uh, in class. i was not never a leader. i even think, if, well , we can analyze it a little bit, that this kind of leadership of such champion charisma, which, well, interfered with me. well , we're crazy like a guy. well, maybe it’s more mixed to say that the olympic champion is everyone’s dream. ah, everyone's dream. that is , i conditionally assumed all the time that everything is a little better. especially since we have such a sport. you know, it's not that he ran a ribbon in e, but here everyone who danced whom? well, so conditional. uh, the substance is mobile and even when i ask, i, frankly, just somehow know how i jumped out of order. guys, oh, they say, well, maybe, well, let's go and we went. and this is how it looks like. there is such. definition, it's

called leader by necessity. that 's probably close, i jumped out, then even then it seems like, well, somehow you can’t retreat. naturally, here, as i said, there were some financial failures there, it is necessary to go out. then, naturally, a team is formed around you. this is a very important part. you can't go. e, there understandable in the beginning goes. yes, there must be an impulse, there must be a push, but if you do not have a team, if there are no people who believed in this idea, and i am very lucky in this regard, because the people with whom i started 20, they are still with me work. this is catherine first. uh, my project director. this is peter the husband, who took over the organization, there is some kind of contractual commercial understanding, in general, because in addition to the chickens. i say the name the name, of course, like you, which helped call helped open the door helped take the first step, but there must be a process behind all this, people must understand that this is

not some kind of thing, but they all flew together. i should have a structure there. well , uh, it probably distinguishes me that it was interesting to me. i didn't delegate it to anyone. that is, it was not. so, well, i'll arrive at the top of the walk, that everything was open, the curtains opened. and i already took it out. e. well done. we all went through an advertising campaign together to address the program where it will take place. uh, everything is immersed, the poster, how it will be mocked? uh, of course, all sponsorship packages are face-to-face meetings with each and working out with the full understanding that when i say i understand, i see the whole company with which i will speak. there are a lot of important components , uh, that were all along the way, so, well, it’s very important for me that it’s really both a producer and a director, because, of course, when that is just an ice show at some point, i’m very clear i realized that we are talking about competition, that today what, what i do, i just an organizer who gathered the guys, well

, conditionally, well, he called it a leverbukh show, they covered it up with their numbers. they arrived one day before the whole story. well, we divorced the council. i'm just the one who collected them, and in general, paid them money. that's it, my component. well, i organized we drove the road and ate. well, that's what it's all about. it's a very crowded place, so i quickly started thinking about how my show would be different from everything else. where should we go? how can we make it different nothing but looking ahead. i understood that today, yes, now he will see this mechanism and tomorrow it will be the same there, lyoshka will be there and will gather friends, he will walk. alexei will be the din. so happened the antagonist. uh, to be honest, ilya verboks is himself, because he is a revenge in front of himself. well, just from what i hear, how the show mechanism mechanism was found. eh, at first it was. so i 'm talking about analogues of the united states of america

, the guys go out and roll their numbers. we are only the only thing that i look to not everything dreary was there 22 slow number one fast. well, uh, the maximum task, of course, at that moment what was focused on, to ride show tops, but because that was also a problem. uh, in the regions they didn’t believe, in general, that such names would come, and the skaters didn’t believe that they would be paid. and this is how they had to be connected to prove that it was not easy, as all the stars would be there. yes? well, who, and what exactly those who were announced will come to win love and understanding and the faith of the viewer's trust. it was very difficult and trust guys, that if i'm on the schedule, it doesn't mean that it's canceled tomorrow or something happens, that yes, it will be paid for there. it will happen and so on. doesn't matter. i say often programmed, but anyway. these are not the same mechanism, but at some point i realized that this is how i collect, but i did. well, once i collected i collected i collected, so further inside, at first i went

myself to put them in the numbers, that is, the choreography went. that is, at least those numbers they went appeared in the show some kind, light, storyline, understanding of what we are talking about, and even if the guys were invited to other shows, they were there under the contract, they could not skate the numbers that i did for them. at least i was already exclusive in this. where did the knowledge of how to put numbers come from? it also did not fall, generally thanks to the first edge. as they say under a lying stone, water does not flow thanks to these corners of mine at the ice industry. i was invited to create an ice age project that turned our lives upside down, which i will be forever grateful, because that there i could really and myself within myself. now, if where i jumped out, i’m like a producer, then here i became like a choreographer, i didn’t stage anything, for a two-year period, in general, except for internal ones. dancing and night e fantasies that i will turn my choreography over the world was nothing. so somehow i saw something, in the end. it still saw

the averbukh show. this is who is not, before that there was a call from another channel. you know that there were two projects. e ice and i also had a meeting, but there i was offered only e participants. as one of participants who ride with the stars and then the next day i get a call like this , carte blanche is issued. i can, of course, i didn’t speak well, i can’t understand anything, but such a chance, how can it not be used, how can it not be realized at all, and then even when i entered the office in freedom, what is it at all, but i lost my speech from happiness from everything. and of course, uh, let's be honest. this project is not invented, but by me. yes? this is a project that was born in great britain, but the difference of our project was that the whole internal it, the component was indeed completely redesigned, created by me, my guys, my team and proposed. that

is, we generally made it just about figure skating and creativity. and it uh worked you know how many seasons of the ice age. the first season was, uh, called stars on ice. if anyone looks, there, we're still all in tracksuits. i for all this is the romance of two minute numbers. uh, but that's it, then the story was born, that number with the idea. it was such a revolution. in general then story, then a lot appeared and of course, what's next season. i think where do we develop and realized that figure skating. well , as it were, there were also battles, of course, trainers and proposed the candidacy of sasha zhulin, who is very grateful. this is a very creative creative person. another great coach, unlike me. the one who brought up the olympic champions and victoria titmouse nikita kotsalapov, the brilliant magnificent silver medalist of the beijing olympics, offered sasha and then the ice age was born. history was born mentorship, which, in general, in

fact, then appeared in many other projects. i won't talk anymore. who is there? well, it was an absolutely original idea that you have a mentor and you have your own team. and you lead this team, and then the first two seasons. this was our real battle. we didn't look at each other's numbers. we peeped saw only e. here's the day of the shoot. here sasha was his team. i came with my team, and uh, then i realized that, of course, k unfortunately, it is impossible to make a directly absolute tournament, because all the same, someone gets participants who have a little more or less talent, namely figure skating. and this cannot be called an equal struggle, therefore, then we began to change participants in a circle. well, in general, to launch a sleeve story, then the bolero project was born. on channel one, where skaters danced with great ballerinas in general, ice and fire was born, where we danced one episode on the floor, another on ice, a project was born.