mentorship, which in general actually, then appeared in many other projects. i won’t say who is what, but it was an absolutely original idea that you get a mentor, you get your own team. and you lead this team, and then the first two seasons - it was our real battle. we didn't look at each other's numbers. we peeped saw only e. here's the day of the shoot. here sasha had to with his team. i came for my team and uh, then i realized that, of course, unfortunately, it is impossible to do straight an absolute tournament, because all the same , someone gets participants who have a little more or less talent, namely figure skating. and this fight cannot be called equal, therefore, then we began to change participants in a circle. well, in general, to run the sleeve of the story, then the bolero project was born. on channel one, where skaters generally danced with great ballerinas, ice and fire was born, where we danced one episode on the floor, another on ice, a project was born. cup of professionals,

where only professionals took part in project and happened every episode. new change of partners. and this, by the way, was a great success was a team tournament, where an international team came to the world and we, in general, fought. in general, there was a huge number of different, naturally, the dancing on ice project. children. this project is generally absolutely russian , absolutely original, and here are the guys. for two seasons there was a project dancing oh no dancing on ice glacial children, dancing glacial children 80% of the guys who were in this project. they are now all in the top, so that's it. this, of course on channel one. the village boy my dad is a mom teacher, physical education, even this is also a girl from the village. yes, yes, and what do you think about the fact that your music, of course, is ideal for a disco.

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really a matter of life. and of course, at this moment, when we create a dance, here are the participants in front of me. no, nothing else, then i'm already watching, but i try not to watch at all never, to be honest, broadcast. here he is flew away. although i am present at all installations of programs. i sit in the editing room and do not edit the whole episode, but i edit every dance. that is, there are still plans, that is, i still have time this week. because then i see that if it flew away, i see that it's bad, that i could have been here differently. it's generally a bug. it’s not there at all, but nothing can be corrected further, you go sublimate with yourself for several days, she continues to work. and you think, well, how is it on the one hand? no, well, i globally see mistakes that i will not make next time, but like this here, and there are little things and these little things just like, uh, this also applies to the internet. i don’t know , i read reviews on social networks. yes, there will be 10,000 positive ones, but two negative ones, as if time with these two people. how do you feel about criticism on social networks ? it’s difficult for you, because you want

to respond as if. you don’t fully understand how to answer and dig in and leave. just in response to itself. here you go with this person you cut. and if you fit in, there a few times, i tried to fit in, uh writing, then you still write a little clumsily and dig even more into trying. explain her position, that is, here she is then, as it were, immersed in it, therefore, to be honest, i’m already like that at first it was in general, when actually it’s like pandora’s box opened, because, well, you can imagine, here it is , again we return to our show you are standing, after the show there is a hall at the end, because we have five people in front of the skaters. it's kind of like a circus art. such a trick man he understands that this is something impossible and obligatory, well , the guys applaud practically in a standing ovation, because, well, such respected people and so on, but the hall really sincerely glows, it always here, uh, and you

sit down like that too. and this, well, this one barely carried his legs in his hand and jumped, that i sat there, do you think we were all in this hall or not. in general, we were in the same story, and now, but we must, of course, accept. no, if the criticism is constructive. she makes you think anyway. you first reject you say you don't understand anything. but who are you ready to accept criticism from a professional viewer or not? of course, i'm still ready to accept emotions from professional viewers, yes, but emotional , uh. somehow, on the contrary, i still focused, but before that it really was for offending not offending me, everyone who writes about kindness sent support. they go on some kind of you see, there is a core, so everything is fine. and you seem to be running, and now, on the contrary, i began to focus on these stories, because you understand that

a person needs to write some kind of, well, throw out some negative, this is his somewhere, he needs it. wow, that cheered him up. but just write about the good. well, just to point out something else good. it won't do anything for you. what a great act. just keep looking guys. well done, well done, and get energy from this too, and i’m right here, eh. i broke myself and read and thank you. unfortunately, i worry all the time that everyone is impossible, because, well, really. well it's important and i just have me such a phrase. thanks for the good. yes, because that’s good, i want more and i just want good, even if something is not right, let’s still talk about good, even if something is not quite, as you saw it for yourself, it didn’t quite work out to the end , but we tried we did we didn't sit at home exactly on the fifth point and uh, tried to create, but i'm still the next growth zone. here is the 24th year, this is the anniversary. the head is already there. yes, in a dream he imagines

what will happen. well, yes, this, of course, is how i was driving right now. i think it took half a century to name. for 50 years, half a century, and i think, then there will be a feeling that not half a day some kind of stupid, damn it, was born from marble. i won't be me. i’m thinking about it now, to be honest, although, of course, as if, you know, i just worked with in st. petersburg with, uh, liza tutamysheva, and, uh, caroling bears prepared, just in time for the russian challenge and skating next to me. i’m next to him alexey nikolaevich mishin yes, 82 years old, and we just celebrated march 8, and he rides on skates and i’m there with my fifty, that is, and i say 06 here like some kind of feeling. well, after all, he says, you know, but i still had a barrier there, when it was 79. i kept waiting, but what

will happen when at eighty? says, and nothing, you know, even i felt better somehow calmer less fuss. i'm more enjoying everything and glowing man. he is always humorous with such self-irony. eh, amazing. so, when you see such a story, then, of course, now this is what i’m talking about, about some 50 such a figure , and so on, on the other hand, of course, you don’t want these numbers to yourself anyway, but it’s like that, as it is. i’ll probably say more that here we are. i tried to run away, that when we created these numbers and even when the ice age appeared, it also became crowded there, because the ice age is beautiful in its miniatures and every number. you know, he is like a modest butterfly, but we even try to repeat these numbers right in the ice. they don't work like that anymore. here they work for one on this one, well, the story, when the camera work is amazing and grows every time, when, uh,

everything is in this state, when tarasova or in general or ana? tchaikovsky in general, when the jury is here, when you know it, when you're already somewhere, it's already something you think. what do you like there so much? and the ice age is such butterflies that they fly these numbers, and i wanted to do something global whole. and just here i was talking about the decision to rely on theatrical history in the first place, of course, tatyana tarasova, an anatomist, and so the play was born first city lights. this is already a direct performance in which the guys absolutely reincarnated, and in other characters, where we wrote original music, where there was a consciously original scenery, original costumes designed, original architecture. light is already quite. well, a different approach. i have was at all two ice. and now the ice is still uh, the whole scene is on ice. so guys, when i'm waiting for levels plus 20 to the end, which in such windows of the city danced, that is, a combination of various genres appeared acrobatics, that is, here we

are returning creatine in the industry. that was already a direct breakthrough, and in the play on karenin, i even left the musical to lead, because i was a little afraid that the audience was bored, and so were the singers. they kind of told the story of what was going on. here is vanya karenina, we work only on instrumental music. and a. here , in general, everything is only on the choreography, only on the plot, on the work of the scenery, on the solution, and indeed in every scene there must be a solution, there must be an understanding. why for what? why did you turn around? why is that a completely different story. i'm interested in the direction that you a embody this intuitive or you, for example, there once and revered stanislavsky well, they looked there, you never know, someone has someone who, like an angel, there is no inspiration on the way. er, it's, well, kind of relative, first of all, there's a screenwriter to help out. that is, i choose a storyline and understand, here, where

i could more than that, uh i need why such big carmen are there romeo and juliet and uh, anna karenina because all the stories that we begin to invent ourselves. you understand that you are still inventing, but this is, in general, like in romeo and juliet or, in general, like in carmen there is love triangle, right? or in general, like a grandfather? that is, you still seem to be not from the classics and something is not born there, so i thought that i would rather rely on the classic. well, for now, of course, i'm dreaming, each artist is absolutely his own and it's up to you to decide. uh, the performance is the interest of the performance in deciding how you decide this or that scene. in what style will you conduct this performance, and uh, so i kind of calmed down my ego, which, of course, wants to write an absolutely original story, create everything original, calmed down a bit, therefore a screenwriter appears, who for many years alekseevich german worked with us and continues

to work, and a composer. roman ignatiev , who wrote to him in general, by the way, was a very difficult test. he wrote anna karenina for the musical, which is maiden in the operetta theater, and therefore, and when we came from the second to karina, when the person had already splashed out. and that was one of the differences. i say there you wrote a musical, and we write to put. uh tool. you give yes, but i also start from the characters from the skaters. i need filling i must understand who i have, where and from this comes the factor here yes 20 uh times, i corresponded the script 20, because you then look at you last night showed that everything was fine in the morning. you read, and this one, and why is this here? a? and how to decide, and what is superfluous and where, uh? after all? still, i want to, well, everything, like that, especially there on karina there is so much and so much staging. naturally, i look, well, this is a lot of work, of course, i slow everyone down. i

have been hurting my knees for six months. i don't give, that is, i like going on, i came up with the scene. i come to the composer i say. i need it very quiet and i’m starting right here and that’s how we are, and he’s sitting here and the theme is playing and looking at me and we somehow groped for something, then left, and then arrives there 2 days later. he says, look and well, that is, this is such a creative laboratory. i don't want to stop. but generally speaking, the airwaves are already coming to an end for us, but i can't stop asking at the end. after all, we heard so much so much about the work. son. it can be seen, in general, very much. well, first of all, you date most of your life. still, back when, uh, there was no leo, but, first of all, i have two sons and, uh, yesterday. e martin my eldest son gave a mug to the best dad photographed together. i'm just proud of it. well done to him 19. he is studying ranchitis and somehow we managed to do it publicly anyway. i

think even excellent. i understand this, that maybe my example is, uh, it is also already toning. he is already such a man. eh, be young. uh, international relations, that's great. ah, as for lev lev ilyich , uh, this, of course, is amazing, the sun we love my lisa very much. well, he is he now. well, of course, that mom dad is there, he still has a favorite word. all the best age. this is all expressed fish emotion. but in general, in the final no , of course, uh, we try, but i know how not the quantity, but the quality of our communication, yes, and this is such a very important component. we can really get a lot. and it seems, as if with a child who is sitting next to the ipad, something is tinkering there and it seems that we are together, yes, well, how to eat, you need to separate

to be and always together, of course. well, it probably won't work any other way. of course, i'm still running, running, running, running, running, because i'm afraid that if i give myself a little slack, because in fact i'm, uh, quite a parasite. eh, the truth is, i still have nothing because i understand, i am beautiful, i will actually feel, uh, at the cottage, calmly and each, as it was during the uh, coronavirus. yes. at first it seemed like it 's like that, what does it say to me, how are you with your energy there, how are you locked up beautifully i record know best of all i'm very tired. it was just a plus that everyone locked themselves in. i didn’t understand that no one was around there behind. damn well, that's all, so there are many more components and besides creative energy, and besides the fact that you do not want to give in to competitors. it's you who want to run and keep your bar here and i understand that if i stop, i'll be myself again already.

i don’t spin it in this motor, unfortunately, i have to end the broadcast, dear friends. we are already saying goodbye. our guest today was ilya averbukh director producer would, of course. the legend of the legend of the russian people and elena kiper clicker and producer or roman pockets media manager and general director of the fund for cultural initiatives. it was a creative industry podcast on channel one. hello this is the easy money podcast and i am its host mikhail khanov today we have a very difficult topic, this is entrepreneurship. how to open your own business, and our guest ivan tinkov is an entrepreneur, can we say a serial entrepreneur, the president

of the moscow business assembly? hello hello to you. thank you for inviting me. yes , today we will solve a very difficult task. you know, a lot of textbooks have been written, a lot of articles on the topic how to open your own business about what? this is generally where to start and so on masses of absolutely exist theoretical research. today you are like a real practitioner and i think that we will try to paint with you. here is this step-by-step creation mechanism using an example, how was it for you? well, actually. let's start there with the main question. why is it easy for some people to open? yes business one another third, they fail, opens the next one. yes, that's why they are called serial entrepreneurs, because that's what entrepreneurship is about. like a series. yes, it's not just one. the dream project of a lifetime. yes there or family heritage business is really business after business is a new business and that's it. own business. why is this word? i also like it much more than a businessman. well, actually, why do some open and do others continue to dream.

what does it depend on? well here, probably to a greater extent depends on the person. hmm, and, of course, here one must understand that someone digs into certain fixed ideas or into certain dreams. and for someone it just becomes the meaning of life as a lifestyle when it starts from childhood. that's when you felt that you are capable of creating your own business. listen, my father. he is an entrepreneur. he is a builder. well, i'm from a small region, the republic of mordovia, the city of saransk. yes, this is the time when we, probably, our parents saw once through a double peephole there. yes, but certain things of course, he laid me in moscow since i was 16 years old. he lives alone, as he would come. and if memory serves, this is 2004-2. the fifth year is the plekhanov academy of attempts to walk, but its impossibility, probably already then some first undertakings. well, of course, even from school it was something drawn. well , specifically, well, then the time was different, i remember

the cassette, but the cassettes were taken and surrendered. uh, the same uh classmate for rent. there , piece by piece, within a certain time frame. yes, when the first rambo came out there or the first is blood. no no, this is not a goblin, thank god that's why it didn't work, that's why i see this story. still, so, but someone goes for the sake of money, and someone really gets sick with this story of you. i think entrepreneurship in general. it's a disease. it can only progress in this way, that is, it is a disease that engulfs a person and is already in another position, but regardless of the position, top management is not top management, wages are all sorts of goodies. will not be able to work under someone, these are freedom-loving people in any case, who suffer from a certain idea, or several ideas for a certain period of life. well , now i think that our audience can record the first life hack. we are a tradition of this podcast, what am i saying? take a piece of paper

and a pen in your hand. yes actually. here, uh, tactile sensations, no one canceled additionally and write down that you understood that ivan came to moscow at the age of 16 in 2004 . many say that it was then the time of the nineties. it was the peak attention of 2004, that is, it would seem that everything has settled down. all, actually. uh, all the assets are already moving there, what is called distributed, nothing is distributed. and if there really is this mood in e, in the soul and in psychology, then maybe the year of love will agree, there are both 2004 and 2005 2010, that is, every time the excuse was not the time, so you had the time that's how it started. ah, well, it seems to me that if we are talking about and there are basic industries at the time when i arrived, it was completely unrealistic today, given the new age, considering e-commerce, how it develops, then in the same product segment can catch something? uh-huh of course, why flowers

flowers were born? it's literally spontaneous. first business. it was flowery and grew into a rather large federal network. the pandemic has taken a toll on us. we closed about 17 regions. but let's just say the scaling continues nonetheless. we forgot to say that you are the founder and owner of a chain of flower supermarkets with an annual turnover of 3 billion rubles. i won't give or take anything today. yes, this is one of the best. ah, when we dropped to this figure, i'll tell you well when it was earned, the first one, for example, well, a million, probably not interesting, but about the turnover. yes, not earned when the turnover has reached, well , let's say there are 100 million rubles. in year. look , i had an idea, a fix is ​​a billion. i 'll be honest with you. natural turnover. at first, there was an idea to fix in some quantity , and this, but a huge delusion of mistakes on my part, because we just started, let 's say, to mint stores, which we will start here, actually you started to wool, yes, look

where you can apply. here, let's stop in detail. at the very first store there, and then we were engaged in some kind of financial consulting, let's call it like that, uh, there was money, but my father is a very conservative person. and for everything else, whatever it is. he said that your turnover is a fund wage in that business, if it could be called that, which i was engaged in , there was practically no photo. i think that it is necessary to open a certain business that will please the father. yes, at least somehow equal me in his masculine concepts, that is, it is still the fulfillment of someone's expectations. i think that this is the decision of my children's complexes, probably, somehow not closed like that, genstahl. he probably influenced. well, it will be true, that is, i did not initially go into the flower business, because i love flowers, which cannot be said now, now i love flowers, i love what i do. and, of course, i miss them in many ways, given the new project, how not to be afraid to do it. this is the first step. here's for you. what was it to you? how old is 16?

ah, if we're talking about the flower business. this is 19 years old, 19 19, 1/2 the first such business that can be called a business. it was a business where people depended on me. i will tell you so. yes there was an entrance there was a foundation. ah, it was a store right away, then two more at once, which were opened within a month. this whole story was negative. how many months it took to support this idea, i remember this is the work of the enterprise, taking into account the rent, because if we are talking about moscow , the main waste. it is, of course, the rent in moscow, it leaves much to be desired, if we speak from the side of a tenant, an entrepreneur, yes, then it is, of course, a ford that is, if we a average ph should not exceed, there 15%, labor should not exceed yes percent of revolutions. well , of course, it exceeds that you are now looking back. yes, so that you correct it now or do it differently, but always the same yes, but if i had a magic

wand, then now i would do it like this, and everything would just fly like a rocket, so that ah, i would go to get extra education, because i didn’t have enough at the initial stage, already a round right away, honestly, i was enrolled at the university, but to say that i gave. it should be in what. ah, when i was finishing my bachelor's degree, it was one history in the master's program. in our plekhansk academy , the financial director taught real practices. i remember other people taught at tsum, the smartest people, practitioners who could listen to what, how to do business, how to introduce human resource management. it was marketing the way we are. they saw him then, probably now he is something different, but in general they had it. well, you can learn a lot. and in general , the internet was open then, but that age did not allow me to think that someone knows more than i do, so no. well, it's real i clearly understand that, at least at that time, entrepreneurs of my age when entering

this story with a small crown. well, it's like the effect of this silicon. yes, you can google when people with high iq with any level of education knowledge consider themselves. uh, actually insufficiently competent, and people. well, look what is the effect on the internet, and people who do not possess the knowledge are not at the same time. they confidently just go ahead and speak. well, it's like this, because it's like that, yes. here. well, actually, it helped a lot. i wanted to say how, nevertheless, you have chosen a sphere. yes, it can be intuitive yes , subconsciously, which eventually became, really billionaire , in fact, if we are talking about the industry that we are talking about now, which i started did some light analysis. i understood that certain surnames are present in construction products and in some other industries, loud surnames are strong surnames, then the flowers at that time were soft. let's say the business in the service zone, frankly, it had no hair, it was absolutely not plentiful and

there were no serious players. yes, in fact, today monopoly in business does not exist, it is often very confused. next question. e concepts business idea with business goals. what is the difference? look at the purpose of any business. still, this makes money. it is a fact. i believe that if there is no mission and values ​​that we carry at all. this world will not be. you have neither loyalty from the target audience nor loyalty to the char brand from your staff. well, that is, you actually speak in simple language. you must burn with this idea yourself, you must have a sparkle in your eyes, otherwise, he just didn’t believe people at the initial stage, you need a charge that, just like from a springboard, will take out to a certain form of an entrepreneur, which is his main mission to be, thus, a charge of incentive, both for your employees, and for the target audience for which you work, yes, as your potential buyer. that is, you must be the same motor, and in which you must be the same dan when he tore out his heart and went so well, i always compared

myself more with mayakovsky, who know such a loud and powerful word. maybe the meeting with the hunger is tougher you know you love rose and i'm at them this is the story, of course, of course, the initial stage. this is important when people do not see the dividends that they have when they close the tekipiai that were promised and pia i immediately sing. well, these are key performance indicators, that is, these are the criteria by which the success or failure of actions is evaluated. well, any yes, uh, 1 2 3 we have determined that if we achieve such such goals, yes, then we are great. if not, then not well done, that's actually it. well, perhaps, let's immediately the question is this. well, i'm sorry to torture you so quickly enough. what do you think business direction. yes, business ideas can be in demand right now, not a specific business idea. yes, this is probably wrong. ask. well, let's say the area. tell our listeners. i became the founder of the company. this is all that concerns

uavs with drones, but of a different nature. basically. we started farming. they can give fields. they can sit, even have already learned buckwheat, rice quietly on their own. if we imagine a field of 10,000 hectares, then there are certain servitude zones. on which they lead to this that these are empty zones, on which nothing has been planted, because, for example, a tractor must drive along them in order to produce this or that, uh, then for example, if they are performed by a drone at a certain height, then it is all seeded, that we are given a cut with you already 6% larger than the sphere itself. that is, what spheres, all spheres, for example, are connected, for example, with the future, but they are also visible to the same 3d printers. we started the production of their scope, their application is colossal, from education to the current situations there. that is a question. where do you see yourself, where is it burning in you, where is it burning, i would not

go into it future. now i got sick in this. in a sense, and, probably, in my basic businesses, which are more classical today, the management is even a little jealous in the form of me now less often. understandable and they say. volume ah absolutely wonderful concept of start-up capital. yes, everyone says, that's why we don't belong there now, in 2004 there are some criteria. is a burning heart and burning eyes enough to start a business, or do you need some money, you know the story. here i am i started with 10,000 rubles. now this story is real or is it 100.000 million, what does it all depend on? well, he talks well about some startups that have succeeded in e-commerce in general. but we understand with you that this is not a system. it's always custom. uh, the exception to the rule, of course i would attract investors. there are big risks here. we act as investors in several small projects, but i know

a huge number of stories when just bright ideas from guys led away a business plan . i don't believe in his business plan. why impossible to prove? well, imagine a young guy comes to you, his eyes are burning. so he says, so it will be so you ask him one simple question. and if it doesn’t happen that he has nothing to give you, you have nothing. take away no guarantees you either believe in his idea and in his energy and in his energy. yes, or nothing honestly, i have not yet had a single business unrealized, wherever there was a business plan. i 'll be honest. that's my life without a business plan. don't make a budget for the year. no , there is planning already in operation. but, if we say start not well, of course, well, it's not the case i'm doing it. tom management is a specially trained system person. you need to understand me to get a saber. i always say in battle, and then we'll figure it out, then, so i clearly understand my strengths. i understand what kind of team to surround myself with, because

in fact the shots just said, one smart person, all the time a shot. decides. all. i absolutely agree with him, because business, well , without a background, it’s human, no steps are strong, you won’t make people choose legal formalized opened. that's when you can start profits and losses, after all , sometime they are needed. do this when you can deliver the same kpi? yes, an indicator that , well, it didn’t fly or it flew, there are expectations. i always put the first dot - this zero is operational zero. when we at least cover the current current costs with you, but they must also be correctly calculated. own time. we start counting from the very beginning from the very beginning, of course, of course, here we are still doing it, that is business plan - look like this. i'm not for it not to be. i'm just saying that i personally do not pay so much attention to this, but it must be a team you choose yourself, of course, top management, the main thing is definitely friends, take friends experience was not

to advise them. moreover, the experience was not soviet, i understood, that is, we immediately put the taboo on our relatives. listen, i heard the same stories, both from older comrades and from my father. well, i understood exactly when i stepped on my own rake. i at all believe that a look already. mistakes and then be guided by them in your own life. these are two completely different stories. sometimes it's better. let it rake well. it will give between the eyes, then it will be clear and understandable because watching 10 times twisting the same video, how painful it is. hmm, you have to get over it, so make mistakes. only from them there will be sense, only from them there will be money. you have to draw for 10 years in a row for 5 hours a day, or i don’t know how to draw them. who is this? i will introduce mikhail alexandrovich

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