[000:00:00;00] and what’s next, here is where our relics are now. our task is to do everything to ensure that, for a start, historically one hundred percent on the territory of the russian federation , they returned further to the nikolaev odessa region and transnistria, and then to make sure that, if possible, this may be without fighting, but obviously. it may not work out, but still, as you say, our sheets are kiev she was still moving even in the fire, he threw snow, there was already a woman to save anyone in front of her eight-year-old son burned her daughter by pouring it

kerosene, please do not touch, father no doll. hello, awesome story. today i don’t even know how to describe it, only one question is spinning in my head. the mother is limited in parental rights; the children stay with her, but

only instead of three children. there are already two of them. yes dear our beloved bodies, guardians it's time to go to jail. hello today we have tatiana popova in our studio, she is very afraid for the fate of an eight-year-old boy. hello hello, tell me that a monstrous story happened to you there. just february 20 this year. we've had a tragedy a woman, in front of her eight-year-old son , burned her daughter by dousing her with kerosene. and how much the baby was a year and a half she was only a year and a half, that is, it turns out that she burned her daughter in front of her son. well, that is, his sister is in front of him. yes, and he is very worried about his fate. yes, of course it is. where is the boy? what about him? the boy is now with his own grandfather, his grandfather

took him under guardianship, and his own grandfather this is the father, this is the father of marina yes marina is the mother who committed this crime. da marina now she is in a pre-trial detention center, she was assigned a medical examination, but she gave the impression of a crazy woman. well, i wouldn't call her crazy. she had periods. she was inadequate, she could scandalize hysteria. and then the next day. she is a perfectly adequate woman. she walks with the children. and how many children does she have? well, in general, there were three, now there are two sons left, the eldest sasha, he is disabled, and how old is he 16 or 17 years old? well, he is a developmentally retarded child, and it turns out that seryozha is, well, a completely healthy girl. she was also healthy where sasha is now in psychiatry in the hospital he was placed there after this happened

before he lived with her. yes? uh-huh. what do you think, it was planned by marina. is it a crime? or maybe she had some kind of impulse, i don’t even know how to say it. well, it's a rush for me. this is when here in one second. this, of course, was planned. why did she buy a basin, she bought kerosene, and more than one bottle of kerosene. it was in four bottles, probably five, she was looking for a place for her for three days, they saw her in the village, how she walked with this red basin, that is, they saw her, but in our village, no one would have thought. why does she go with him with one of the most terrible circumstances. this is what happened in front of an eight-year-old boy. and how did salt happen, remember? my

mother and i went to kutuzova, she took it there. i poured everything into a red basin, then bottled all the gasoline. she took the money, set it on fire, and then the scarf was already thrown at her, and she caught fire or screamed attempts to kill the youngest child she had made before. yes, i know she tried. she herself is in the village, then she said she was such a woman, that is, she talked a lot to everyone, she tried to drown her. the girl, of course, opened her eyes at this time and looked at her, she just could not

do it. you know, it was useless to call and even write in our body biting. yes neighbors. yes, they did it once. uh-huh. and there, that is, they knew her situation. well, everything was closed to this that guardianship would have to be with an inspection. yes, it's true, and we were sitting on the street, and she was with large packages, there were four packages, probably huge, right, what with groceries and she came up and said, i have guardianship tomorrow. i've hmm went to the store. i bought everything, that is. this she personally told us, it was 100%. but marina was limited in her rights, yes, yes. as a result, she was limited by the court and they were supposed to come and pick up the children just the other day, but she got ahead of them by burning her child. why didn't they seize the child, here comes the trial on the restriction of parental rights. let's even assume

the process is going on. guardianship authorities have the right to the time when the trial is going on children. they have to pick up special institutions, but they are not obliged to; it depends on the specific situation, if the situation is uh, a stalemate and there is a real threat to the life and health of the child, then they are obliged, of course, to do this. well, since custody sees grounds for limiting parental rights, once custody gets signals that she tried to kill the child. she talks about it herself. well , it's the first thing that doesn't come to mind. this is needed while the proceedings are pending to place the children in a safe place. well, how can you not lay it out in your head and go on and on. now i’m interested in their decision. seryozha , the boy is with his grandfather, with his grandfather, in front of whom all this happened. this is his daughter. but this is his daughter and now seryozha

lives with his grandfather. it’s so good there, you know, grandfather, i don’t personally know him, but he went expressed, he went to marina well, in order to understand, he saw, yes, how she is, how her daughter and grandchildren live, all this was, but honestly, i don’t know even where the truth would be better for him listen ah. that's why they now after death, granddaughters took seryozha why before they didn't know. no, i don't know. well, she came, that is, grandfather himself did not come to the village, did he come too? or as a common-law wife? yes, a woman, yes, she came and took things away, as if everything she needed from the apartment, there was a washing machine , something else, and so they had a conversation there, what she wants. e through the court to deprive marina of parental rights already, that is, to the end, yes, and sell the apartment. what apartment that marina lived with her children, and so she is in an apartment, well, i don’t know, let’s we will call tatyana and ask why they need seryozha and

where they were before. good afternoon but i would like to ask you, when did you see this whole situation. why didn't you help? well, it was impossible to talk to her, but nevertheless. we went to her. we helped her with apartments. me theirs. i need tatyan that is, you were on vkontakte all the time. yes, of course, well, how did you miss such a bat? let's do it differently. please tell me who is to blame for the death of the girl, because she left. there was no help for marina, that is, mother maria mother marina yes, please tell me the child now lives with you at home. and how often does he meet with a psychologist. well, we haven't reached the psychologist yet. we just got a job at school, they have a psychologist, and he works.

yes, i see. look, the whole village knew that she was trying to have a girl. uh, before i burned to drown. we knew about it too. well, the village, as they saw, they were almost a house, a house came. she herself says this, that she wanted to drown the girl. it looked at her with eyes, and her hands trembled. a normal person will tell this, we have seen everything, and i have a question. and why were they silent, then climbed, if mom screams, dear? what did you cling to this mother

to gain a foothold in? we are talking about you now, seryozha now lives with you, did you visit her, and did you know how they live? why didn't they do anything? didn't take any action. well, we helped her. so what steps can we take to help? this is very well said, that is, you could bring her a bag of groceries there to children who were in mortal danger at that moment. well, that is roughly speaking, listen to the alms give up. children on red, you understand what is happening, forgive me for the analogy , but it’s the same as helping the cannibal to fatten his victim, and we brought it, it’s normal justice, i must say that svetlana is really that’s the name of her mother, and our heroines are sad, how much we tried to get in touch with her, like yes and no as a result, but marina's father could not come,

but he gave us a short interview, let's see. well, i think that she is left there alone already. wanted to buy a house given maternity capital, they drove her wheelbarrow here for two years, but then something didn’t like with her mother. they decided that they had left there to buy a harvest, and she was left there alone, restless to anyone. and i don't have health anymore. it could be now

everyone is a drug addict. again, everyone is to blame. vasya is some kind of drug addict, someone else is your mother's fault. and the fact that it was his daughter, her own, burned his own granddaughter, he forgot about it, the last two years. we didn't go there. here he is , chained to the bed by an oxygen machine. a i haven't run there on foot for 2 years. you didn't go. she went to you. she went to us, but we did not see the threat to the lives of children. i know that before the tragedy. marina wrote to you. she wrote to me what she wrote. at first she wrote that she would burn herself, because her children would be taken away from her and she would burn herself. i answer her and say a little. if you burn yourself, you already burn yourself children, please do not touch. and

what else did you write, wait. you now understand what you are saying, she also wrote there. now i want to listen carefully, she is very a lot that she wrote about the witch nina , some kind of nina there conjures on her. what else did she write? the main thing that she wrote to us was not there. she asked the children to pick up the related thoughts. yes, i asked, well, that's all, that's the main thing in this. she herself. threaten with his own death. writes to you take the children. i can't vouch for myself. well, she wrote that take the children. where will i take them? find three. here she sits and says, well, we didn’t go there for 2 years. you knew that the children are in danger of death and on

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methodology of education. i have a foster family. i raised four adopted children. children, when they were, in danger, but now she will manage somehow. is it in general, what kind of guardianship authorities, what is happening there, in general, with you? i don’t know if it will be a surprise for you, but there is another applicant on seryozha who claims that he is his own father and suddenly there are so many of these applicants. i have not been before, whether my father is no, we do not know yet, but anatoly onchin came to us in order to claim rights to seryozha hello hello, i won’t give up my relative, because you took care of her daughter and granddaughter. why should i give you my son? i also

see you for the first time, but i hear everything and know the question has appeared. and why do you think that seryozha should live with you because my own son? how do you know? that she gave birth to you, because it was all the time. let's go, look. you recorded a birth certificate. no, well, what kind of father well, what kind of father? no, not my own, no father. you do not father. you tell him no one until it happens until you prove it back in court. uh-huh dna proves that dna is still proved before. how many a child, because he did not let me near him at all. to do this, you do not need to approach him.

you need to go to court and the court will oblige you to pass it, and her dna test well, so that the child yes, the child is eight years old, i have never heard that he has a father. tell me, please, when did you and how in 8 years, how often did you see seryozha? well, when the harvest came, then i saw him. how many times in eight years, once , once, last year i came to see him all and all. now before you when the little one was, but i don't remember well. now further. come on, you're working, right? how much do you earn 15-20 15? and how much did you pay your child to your son a month for all these eight years? i say how i will pay if i was not allowed near him at all. and that for this you need to come close to pay. and how do i look more? let's do it one more time. here i am. i'm going to try to get through there. that's where where you should have brains you came from and all over the country you claim that you are the father not only

insisted that we took a dna test and channel one from you. naturally, i paid for it so that you had reason to confirm those words that you are the father, but for 8 years. you know that you are the father, you yourself did not go to court and establish paternity. you didn't pay the child a penny of money, knowing how do you claim that this is your son and now you've come? give me the child. who is this and why does she, by the way, keep you away from the child. how do i know did not let me, she also said she says, if you come up, even if they fenced off the child. i will call the precinct. that's all. i didn't approach him. do you have any woman? who are you currently living with? i have a legal wife, yes. do i have children, yes? how many six are all your heels? one of mine, and your wife is ready, that you want

to take seryozha for yourself, ready, waiting for him. yes, everyone is waiting. and what did you do in order to take seryozha , i will do everything that you did from this to sovetskoye there in court to find out, i was told to go into guardianship from guardianship. i was told to go back to court. and so, they drove me for half a day, and then they told me, they called from barnaul and told me to go to this lawyer and he would tell him which documents to collect and which not, and then they called from here from moscow and said you will go to the program. i say, come on, i’ll go for the sake of my son, i say, no matter how i say everything, i ’ll translate nothing else for the sake of my son into simple human russian, during this time you have not done it. nothing just nothing you for 8 years of your son's life. didn't do anything for him. and during the period when the tragedy happened, well , they did nothing either. did you know that mom

is being seriously judged and that she was limited in parental rights? yes i know. and what are you then, why didn’t you appear even before the tragedy with the girls, it turns out, the mother or the house that he will go to an orphanage. where were you then? he burned his sister in front of him anatoly but we have a studio of your relative. who believes that you absolutely can not give seryozha. yes it is. yes, why, because it doesn't work? they are drinkers. live off child allowance children do not live with them, but live with grandmother natalya in our village a little daughter lives with them, and all the rest with their grandmother, and the rest all

live with grandmother natalya, we live with her in our village in the talitsa, she pulls them perfectly settled, and it doesn't work. no, he works out purely son, and in the village council for theft. is it clear now. you know that seryozha actually called his father vanya belyaeva knew. well, when he was born, he was still small, vanka had just started visiting her. walked. he considers himself the beloved man of marina vlasova and even claims that he helped raise her children.

came here last year to hang out. well, i called marina bring my son introduced. here is tolya your own father. seryozha was and now your paternal feeling has woken up. where is his seat? you promised to come in the fall to help get him ready for school. he was waiting for you, really waiting for you , the kid believed you. i could not get. i have that you didn’t manage to ride 8 km there you didn’t succeed it didn’t work for me on a bike would have reached everything. here’s a penny for you , it turned out, which means it didn’t work out, it didn’t work out for me, which means it didn’t work out. they worked out family circumstances were waiting for you, you know? what are the family circumstances? what ordinary family fears constantly just starts yelling to dad , i’ll run away to my family, or to vanya run away, he

started calling me father. i explained to him that i ’m not your father, seryozha, when he was 2-3 years old. that is, you think anatoly cannot give up a child, what kind of father is he? listen a how many years seryozha lived with you from the sixteenth to the eighteenth i cohabited with marina didn't you notice that her roof was going a little at that time. she was still normal. yes , he had some aggression there. well, what is that, as they expressed these bouts of aggression. he could wake her up to sleep. she loved very much till three o'clock she could sleep. here to go to bed at eleven o'clock at night and until three o'clock just lies. he just lies man, time the kids are hungry. the house is not tidy, i could soak things. they are three days she is lying. there, the soaked smells start to make a fuss, so the precinct arrived about everything. hello. van what are you doing? what are you, sit down, let's go? tell me, what else is it true that these words belong to

the fact that you are a moron, because the children were spoiled and fed them three times a day. although she tames us, a major scandal occurred then. why are you spoiling my children? firstly, i taught seryoga to speak, well, a 2- year-old child. he actually started calling me dad. then i will explain to him that i am vanya your friend is nothing more, your dad is different. well she told me. why are you teaching him to talk? maybe he will also pay me a pension. and in general, that you climb my children. why are you pampering them? i've taught them to eat once a day. why then did she give birth to children, if she hated them so much, well, you lived with her, but these are the questions that you definitely should not listen to, i and her friends, so that call well, i have a friend who told his wife , call first. that 's how they will come, i'll confirm they called.

well, our calls are like they explained to me later, they are not recorded. and i know that you often visit the place where the tragedy happened. let's get a look. here the road is cleared from the folds and the grain is taken here by the snowdrifts, it was not visible from the road. here is the basin, as the pieces are. there, here , she burned it here. here it is. here at this place. she is hers and this is a scarf, in my opinion, a ball, in my opinion, which i gave as a gift to my friend vladimir, who was driving work here on the road, saw that something was on fire, she was still moving, even in

the fire. he threw snow, there was already no one to save. i came here on the same day, then i came, brought flowers. and that's exactly her ball was of a little girl. i don’t know how to exorcise any demons, that they spoiled her at marina, they allegedly caused damage to marina, as she claimed to me in text messages, then i replaced the sim card. she wrote to me. here is a notebook. the total thick floor of the notebook with sheets written on both sides,

it was necessary to save. eh, there i just read one page. all my head boiled. i didn't become more professional. she didn’t just go to her, otherwise then some rituals were performed, or something, seryoga probably said that she even danced at home there screamed whatever. this is us prayers story of burning dolls. i heard from the village. there was a rumor that they allegedly advised her, what should be taken to make a doll from bread and burn it. well , this is this fortuneteller and everything, it seems, is like her. i burned my daughter instead of the doll. once , once, it happened that i came. she has a liter can of water. vanya, don't touch this water. that's what i wanted to remove for the bank. well , pour it out there, i don’t know, it’s charmed water with a lid. this is so that you don’t drink later, so that, well, so that you don’t go anywhere. i speak, marina with you how not to drink? after the scandal? i'll definitely go get drunk if i can get two money at all. don't show up, i met nina later. i say no i have

a magic wand too. i am also a sorcerer. i only have a wand. here is such a thickness here, i will start for shobvat you. your ribs will hurt for a long time. i'll whisper you, right? once again i will see you next to her. she was still smiling. bath. yes, i do not care, that is, what is interesting, but now she will smile at you when you meet me. well, you will see, after all, he does not avoid, because to us in she came to the studio. well done, not on pushkarev in our studio. hello or what? hello delivery to conjure the next moment wan you, so that you do not lie from all in unison. she went to you. marina yes, ninto came to bewitch him, then turn away. she is walking towards you. they don’t come to me and don’t ask me to bewitch someone. we have one such

miracle in the village, aunt shura tishkina marina once to me. well, someone asked the question three years ago, you really talk to the devils at night. i say true to the full moon to the sky looked. she says, no, i say, and you look at the broom flying. it's me she says, why are you flying there? i who fly, sovietsky district. why are you wrapping it around? i said that any punks did not go down the street. i say, who told you that? aunt shura tishkina how did she get wedged? well, it's true, she's been gone for a long time. and then she came to me here in mid-december. without entering the house, i only went to the veranda. i was shocked in the wild, because this younger seryozha stood behind her, she is with me. break marin's doll. what doll does she take like this girl and like this, throws it at my feet on the floor. she threw it, the child rolled up. i got scared because she's still apologizing. she hasn't gone yet. she, in my opinion,

has not even crawled the fact in this, well, honestly, i could not resist here in the forehead. she got me. i hit, so she flew off the porch girl. barely calmed down came. it looks like she's in a wheelchair. i say, marina, get out of here. by christ god i ask from sin, take me away and i will kill you. well, she left for a long time snorting, and all the neighbors saw the gate closed, she through this the fence spat, of course, they called. pdn guardianship of the police immediately no, no, nothing. i did not call a crazy mother when you have a small child throwing opal. you, instead of going take by the hand to take to remove the beatings with the child , write a statement, give her in the face. it's certainly a therapy amazing. you yourself understand that a person is not changeable according to everything that she told you, what's the point she herself called the police. i had the same situation. i got there and started it. well tell her so i'll tell you why you have again dirty, seryozhka opened the door for me. uh, quietly and

away from her, while she was sleeping, i went into the bathroom. that 's the water. i don't know where this water came from. scattered some cereals are scattered on the floor straight and she lies asleep. i started to speak. she immediately took a small one in her arms. eventually. i started talking. you are shorter on emotions, i started on the received tones, did not start talking. she left her baby bed. well, it's good that i took it for now, because the child the truth has rolled. she scared girl. i took her in my arms. she in this time takes the frame. this is how much strength the frame tears out of the hinges, the closed wooden frame took it, it tore out its glass, it fell down, it jumped out and ran along the house screaming, and people help me kill. listen, well, you're talking about a sick person. only you all around saw it and were so silent, well , what are you, we were all silent, it's interesting. well,

firstly, they called the district police officer constantly , the answer, as always, is the same. i'll go, i 'll go to her. i didn't even know he lived next door, right? show me do not even know how to call it the hands of ivan death of this child. watch the voice of spring live after the program. i also want to take a break.

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do, we are cool. naturally, we could not help but go to the guardianship authorities. because there is a criminal case. an investigation has been launched. yes go to the head district. now, if the head of the district tells us what to do? then we'll do something, well, let's go. naturally, the head of the soviet district , alexei ivanovich mikhalevich. hello, my name is alina, in fact, i need one of the specialists from the department of clinics , we were sent here so that you can agree in

the commentary, an investigation is underway, so i didn’t want to comment, so the matter is today. in our district , socially dangerous families are registered in a socially dangerous situation, about 35-7 months, with which we have been working very closely, what i can say is that at the moment, uh, issues regarding the child’s disability are being resolved for the eldest child, and the youngest child before custody or not, the situation will definitely last from 2018. she is registered. if work was carried out with this family. at various levels , the situation began to worsen accordingly, and more severe influences began to be taken on the corresponding worlds. it turns out that she was limited in her rights in court or not? the fact is that at the time of the tragedy, the judicial the decision did not enter into force. therefore , the guardianship authorities did not have the legal opportunity

to seize the children. therefore , this situation occurred. do they really not know, if we are already aware of this in this studio , that there is a rule of law, according to which, if guardianship or pdn arrive at a specific address where it can threaten the life and health of children, they are obliged to seize at least something children, without any court decision, they came, yes, well, to an apartment. after all, they never even went in, but the fact is that even during the trial the proceedings established the disease mental illness and they left with a sick mentally ill mother. three children of one disabled person who is almost an infant. yes and this boy, seryozha well, who will answer for this, the head struck him, just the muscle did not flinch, measures were taken, he sits and brazenly lies, takes measures for work or not. tomorrow

we will take all measures from the eighteenth year, if she is registered, then this is even before the birth of the baby, but here in any case, i will ask the foreign front, it is also necessary to contact the prosecutor's office is sure that they simply stir up this hornet's nest so that it does not seem small. there is no crime here. he gave the number of 34 families 35 were, yes, which are no longer there, 34 families are in the area. all these children who live in these families. they are now under threat, because there, perhaps, the same situation. so you need to go there and check all these families and talk to the neighbors of these families correctly and find out. children live there, because it is absolutely obvious that you can see how the situation as a whole in the region is the same, because it cannot be like that. what does it mean, well, in one area everything is bad with us, but in the rest everything is fine, there are magical elephants running around and fairies. uh, that doesn't happen in care work. uh-huh well, wait wait wait yes yes

expert discussion of a particular case. we have one unclear circumstance. yes, dad is sitting in front of us. i have already forgotten. yes, what am i? well, actually. i think we did a completely pointless job when we did this with dna. well, let's assume. now i give him a document that he is papa. well, he will walk and talk drunk through the village. i told you, nothing will change, no matter what the court. he won't go any money. he will not pay any seryozha will not live with him. it's clear. all. but that's all, i told you, my child is my child, my child, if it turns out that no, too, we deceived him good conditions for me. i am clean before everyone before god and before people. you have an order dear. wear the proud title of father with great

pleasure your child is yours. everything let's let's start with the children, you had the opportunity to talk to seryozha and return, yes, silence. the boy is active contact, a with good potential for development, but today today there is a very serious pedagogical neglect in the school curriculum. he doesn’t know, in general, even at the first grade level, he forbade him to go to school , the boy is going to have a serious, gambling addiction, all talk is only about games. not interested and there are collective psychological tests, where the child, well, draws some concepts and so, he is absolutely sure that in his life there is no friendship, no love, no support at all,

that no one needs him, and plus a huge phenomenal superimposed on all this psychological trauma. and all his activity today is partly a cover for this deep trauma, and there is a very big aggression inside. and that's where she'll go without a job with a psychologist. this is a big question, either it will go outward, or it can be auto-aggression, that is, aggression on oneself on right now he is in that state. you know, when this happens to adults too, when some event has happened, but the realization that it has not yet happened, it comes with time. and now is just the very period when he begins to realize the whole horror of the situation in which he had to go and that is why he will now slowly close. he definitely needs rehabilitation for more than one hour a week with

a school psychologist, but he needs a rehabilitation center and long-term recovery work. without it, well, he doesn't get out they themselves it was they themselves who called and offered to take the child to those people who knew the circumstances in which children live and nothing during this time was just some kind of negligent crime. nightmare maybe, we won't pass by anymore. well, really, i understand that psychological mechanisms work for us. protection. we don't want to see. we do not want it to hurt and so on, but maybe we can not remain indifferent. maybe you can still get into family affairs when this happens there and get a psychiatric help to obtain the help of law enforcement agencies, nothing can be done. you know everything inside is shaking. i wanted to agree with my colleagues that this is criminal