cost there not a year or two, say 5-10 years there. listen, if we are still talking about import substitution, then we will still talk with you about production , agriculture and so on. to do this, you need one simple thing, the cheapest possible loan, in which we have what rate here you are, this is my professional question two percent real 2%. for which then very large banks will not come. in a year they will not redraw or in two they will start to squeeze out your business. uh, if there is access to cheap loans. then we with you from some excuse the resource country. and now we are, uh, well, at the level of, probably, a resource colony has always been lately, in my opinion. from the point of view, i define the russian federation within the economy from the point of view of some world standards. this is a resource colony, so that we can now exit this resource. yes , it is still present gas oil what other buzzwords that we know everything money, we need

cheap loans, cheap loans are needed for everyone for the brain to understand, it’s good to have money, which will reassure the entrepreneur in that regard. i mean psychology. yes, he tore out his heart, he is ready, his eyes are burning. his brains say he knows how to captivate. he knows how to captivate. we all like it, which should fuel him, in addition to cheap loans , emotionally, which should sign him. uh, recognition from the government. first of all, for a long time, entrepreneurs and businessmen were treated rather ambivalently, so to speak, the state brought up in the minds of people, and the general mass of people in our country is that entrepreneurs are crooks, they are thieves, but not the one who puts his whole life for a common cause and certain that this is the slogan on the building of entrepreneurs. we support you. hear the confession. uh, the first persons of the fact that without entrepreneurs - this country will not go far from our countries. our

country is definitely, yes, well noticed, i agree. and this is right, that is , in order for the heart to burn, it is necessary to recognize from the outside the fact of security, that is, when an entrepreneur does not want to invest money for a long time, not because he does not i'm sure he won't beat anything in 5 years. he is not sure that in 4 years it will be his or that in 4-4 years it will still function, that is, within certain limits. yes, there, with certain components, he is confident in his business model and in himself, but there are only factors, not counting the world ones within our country, that can affect the fact that the business model will collapse, his health will collapse, the inability to manage the business operationally and that’s all, whatever these things. they remain throughout the entire moscow business meeting. it was created, in principle, from people, who want to develop in our country, who want their children to live here and develop, but for this. we need

a guarantee, except for our strong fists and confidence in the future of our head. let me say this here, summing up everything that has been said, and especially the last part, and remember the absolutely wonderful soviet film, we will live until monday and remember how he wrote the main character, and he wrote one line in the essay, what happiness is, he wrote happiness is when understand you agree correctly, then happiness for the entrepreneur, when he is accepted and accepted in his native country. and in principle, this is enough, and even cheap money is also secondary there. agree. ivan thank you very much. thank you for your candor. and thank you, even for the fire with which i walked. right now in this interview, because it was clear that you were talking about sore points. that is, these are not some duty stamps. these are not some phrases taken from textbooks. this is your native self. thank you it's worth it. thank you. it was easy money podcasts, and i am its presenter mikhail khanov with us. today is completely

a difficult topic that we discussed how to open your own business, and our guest is a serial entrepreneur ivan shades. good evening, dear friends. this is a free program podcast. i'm maxim tankov and today we have not one, but two special guests, these are olympic champions, students of alexander zhulin, victoria sinitsyna and nikita katsapapov guys, hi i'm very glad to see you in our cozy studio. well, my first question is probably the most banal for both you and me. i think it should just be an exchange experience to produce how to combine family life and work. well, i can tell you right away that i adopted it from you from a part, because in fact it is not so, just so much training. it's very hard and you're always

together in training on ice at competitions. uh mood something does not work. well, come home. and naturally. you can't do that, that's all. you ice is over, training is over. it is necessary well , in general, let's move on to another topic anyway , it is transferred one way or another. well, as a human being, i can just say here, uh, decided that that's while we ride. well, you need to. to share directly to share this as much as possible, we rented a house and lived in different apartments. here's the weekend, if uh we wanted to and seriously no jokes, sometimes we wanted to take a break from each other, because there is a lot of it all, and we spent together there together uh. well, it doesn’t matter for one of us at home, it’s either a day off together or separately, on the contrary

, that is, we alternated everything, as you feel and do, we agreed that we try not to endure anyway. eh, right absolutely. yes, that is, uh, well, in principle, even faster, maybe you put up, maybe something happens on the ice, then you go out. well , as it were, well, it's called there. yes, yes, you are trying to perceive it somehow differently already when you first appeared in our team as part of another pair with ruslan zhiganochny. well, of course. but i will tell you a secret that in the men's locker room they often discussed such a beautiful, spectacular young girl as victoria sinitsyna, but at the same time, you were so impregnable. it was hard for nikita to win your heart. that's why that all the same time this approached already, when you are there 18 years old to 18 years old. i really was. eh, on my own.

they even called me such dima for some reason, because i seemed to communicate with everyone, but this was not now not for me, but when i started to communicate, close to nikita, i just felt that this was my person and when a person begins to to open up to relax and open up to him for you it was a surprise the offer that nikita made to you exactly what it was on this day. yes, it was a real surprise, because i didn’t know exactly what it would be now and we were like that all day relaxing. everything was cool mood and everyone was resting. we sunbathed here, of course, i did not expect that it would be right now nikit and when i decided to take this serious step, i was very worried and to the last i had these thoughts. or, right now, right now, was it easy for you to propose? did you worry, maybe during the day, in general, i had no

idea how it should all be. i'm in this was the only thing i knew. i want it to be on vacation, where it is beautiful and the water and at about the moment i want it, because i was like there for a week. we have already been there. i already looked. what time of day is the most romantic? well, at sunset, like, and this is the only thing i knew and on what day, how it should be , i was nervous, walked very much and did not understand how you just take it now and come up, and your life everything has changed, like this should be. what will be with you, what will be with us at all, but no, uh, actually i'm here we were on vacation together. e word frosty to my student with my friend and well such a yes that you are here with a rude word to put it bluntly. what are you afraid of? yes, apparently, that's why it's still not yes

, go already, the ring has not forgotten the ring, most importantly, in the room. everything go. i just thank you. thanks to the brothers for the advice, some part of my life flew through my head, i imagined what i should say now, i didn’t memorize anything, not a single word, i didn’t cook at all. here is not a single one, at all. i just went and she sat with a friend, and i took her hand and said, let's go for a walk. so he just started to improvise something to say. and it seems like. eh, hike, i understood that it turns out. well, it's good that everything seems to be working out. so everything goes smoothly, and there i had a place, especially. here, while we 're talking. eh, and here it was necessary to get there. so when we got there and i turned around. this very nervous moment was the most, that is, you don’t need to kneel. right wrong well i sat down on his knee. clearly everything is beautiful and well the answer

is fast enough. here's how it is in my personal opinion. here it is you will wait for the answer. here's how her reaction will be. here, i had a fairly quick reaction and the reaction is completely, how satisfies you, like a man who is waiting for reciprocity answers. that is , i was just generally super, happy at that moment, these emotions. similar to when you finished the free skate at the olympics. of course not, they are completely different things. never in my life have i even compared them to my head. it's just that i don't i really want to do this. this is life and life in sports on ice. there's blood under the tears. here i wanted more of some kind of romance and happiness from love for a person. i say very often that the relationship e in a couple in the work gets in the way, but at the same time, when you skate together in a relationship in competitions. it doesn't matter even when to workout, when you have that inspiration. it seems to me that two people who do not love each other cannot show this chemistry. that is, after all, the sport

intersects. probably it is comparable uh, 1.000 plus even the most banal ones, when at competitions, uh, you don’t well, i ’m a dancer skating in pairs, roughly speaking, a team player just like you, i think, and i personally didn’t give a damn at the competitions, who is around, because i have vika and i am with her all our experiences. well, that's it , i share everything with her 100% for me in the same way, because for me it is very important in general to talk to someone to share. ah here is emotions especially before competitions. i don't understand being silent. well here's the truth and take my hand it calms to look into the eyes, which calm me too, i love it very much. and it is important for me just that the person is really with me. nikita let's get back to your families a little. because for me it is approximately clear why nikita ended up in figure skating, because his mother is a wonderful children's coach. eh, even

if she did not train. but she, as a coach , gave you some advice that you especially listened to. she e was near and is near throughout. all the time. she even now this is what we do, for example, in shows or tours. uh, when she comes there now, calmly, without stress, to look at the stands, and then there is always feedback from her, either it’s bad, or the guys need it, no matter how high the level is, if you skate the olympic program, you need to skate it too , like at the olympics, otherwise they don’t need to be skated, that is, she is always in the subject, she always likes it. i really appreciate any advice, this is the most sincere and honest person. she taught me how to skate like nobody else skated. here in the younger group, when i the singles skater was about to jump, well, it didn’t work out, maybe because they didn’t let their parents in at the training anyway. that fist just got out, you know, from the crack. well,

a click on the door. my parents didn't let me out of there. that's all with fists, here, this was the main motivator. vika your parents are demanding in sports, they were demanding at the same time. at the same time, they listened to me very much, they always listened. uh, they advised dad, in general , such an approach was very correct, he helped me , just somehow he helped me to study helped reach out. here it stretched from me. even though she didn't want to. there were tears, there were other emotions, but it was still very much like that, but somehow with a soul. that is, they always listened to me and knew exactly what i needed in the 2014 olympic games in sochi, they performed in different compositions. and nikita skated with elena others and became a bronze medalist in the individual

championship and olympic champions in the team. you were young, promising, paired with ruslan zhiganshin, but after that you decided to stand in the spotlight. and it wasn't the best a simple moment in your life, not only because you broke up with previous partners with whom you had spent your whole life since childhood, but also because there were a lot of attacks from the fans. the press called you traitors. and how did you succeed afterwards. here are these competitions met, this is the relationship of the general public to pass. well, i'm stas much older and 10 times more experienced, i can say that i was just doing nonsense for a very long time reading. this is all reading the comments and refused later, so as not to tell. everything is in the snot. how is it uh just gave up on social media altogether. and i still can't get used to it after that

moment. and i was shocked. i read so much about myself in general, as if i were the worst person in general on the planet. that is, i don’t go in for sports now and i see that i have my own vision, and either there are some reasons why this happened and why i want to do it, and achieve no less success, just achieve, gritting my teeth, go through all the difficulties and because of this i'm not at all what is not get there, uh some good. here is a review there or or just some kind of support there, at least banal. i get so much for it. manure is just like i 'm doing something terrible, really. i personally suffered a lot. i don't know, i 've shared. i can't even tell. did i share with you those moments there. uh, what i feel when i read, and i read really all sorts of different things. the first year was really hard. and vika, how did you go through it? you saw you read

the homeowner that they just didn’t write. ah, they wrote in private messages they just wrote in sms to the phone where did they take it? i don’t know the number , they wrote offensive words, terrible they wrote that i bought, that my dad bought there, in short. well, it's just that i laughed at first, but then you sort of read more and in reality. here you start. well, to believe that i, too, refused all social networks. i just went away for three or four months, i didn’t go everywhere, i just studied. it was a matter of business and the first year was, of course, hellishly difficult, and especially there were very difficult first competitions, when we left, the first time they came to moscow for the grand prix. i will never forget this at luzhniki. we and we got the grand prix together with lena ruslan and we came out, uh, in the same warm-up. and

when we went out on the ice, we were just whistling all over the hall. it was just the next question. yes, it was tin. and now i have no other word. it was very hard for me. i was shocked that, well, people are so angry , so, well, they don’t respect a person’s life anyway. yes, the fact that he does some work will do it and in general his dream, for example, well, it was really hard and the parents, who were sitting on the podium at the back. sat there. friends with whom i used to skate spoke, and they sat and did it. well, it was really hard. well later. i just realized that all this time these people. hey, who wrote there? uh, well, bad comments are bad words, sometimes very offensive hurtful. they just really fueled the interest. well, well, seriously very often when there is

either an artist or an actor or a singer or an athlete? well, there is a hate wave. this is also like, uh, some kind of push, what they say about you, just. well, the only thing, of course, depends on what direction you are moving in. it was really hard to get over it, but we did it. this is a free program podcast. i am maxim tronkov and my guests today are olympic champions victoria sinitsyna nikita kalatsepov. vika , did you ever allow the thought that it was in vain and maybe nothing would work out. there has never been fear. and fear is different, that is, for me, just failure. no, well, that's different. that is, when you you go out, of course, you are there, you are not very ready physically or something else. there is, of course, such. what can you possibly do wrong there? or mess up there, but it's fear,

uh, or is there something to make it worth it? i did this never happened. that is, i am sure, always in my decision, and i always have a goal. i always try to achieve it in all ways, that is, i will grit my teeth to work to achieve, no matter what, uh, do not give up. i mean, it really is. yes, even more than these are sometimes needed, but in life in ordinary life also so yes stubborn, well, in an amicable way, in fact, and well, this, apparently, is the wife of a champion. this, apparently, all the same to the end. direct questions to find out right here defends its correctness to the last. even if this is not required, in general, no one has said anything to you, you still always defend. yes, we have this, you noticed later. how did you

manage to flip this relationship to yourself, of course, with every a-a competition. every day, nikita and i seem to, well, we rallied even more, that is, we pass some awkward moments. it connected ups and downs so much and made it possible to move forward. well, somehow it got better, even so it’s not in vain that they say that they fall somehow, then you get up again and rise even higher. i’ll add that, of course, it was also important for us to prove all this ourselves. that's really the thing , really the results are great loud results and the only way you yourself are satisfied and now we have 1,000 wonderful fans who follow us and watch what we do and give

wonderful gifts. and we are very grateful if you thought, nikita. i am most interested in this answer to you when you won the world championship like this, that is, it is still a year before the olympic games, and about those people who told you that you would not succeed on the couch teeth and with a sly smile in general and i was always super very happy. well, here's to prove, it's here for me it's some kind of huge, unreal. just like when the whistle of this or that is huge. some kind of arena of these people that i am alone against you now it feels like this, and for me it's not that the game is life. a big argument, but for me it's kind of obvious. um, well, i don't know, some sort of mission accomplished. you know, some small from and from this game and

i felt satisfied, and also because i proved to people who do not respect do not respect you or still do not respect you. you already did them. i made mine. sorry, 8 years of your triumph have passed since 2014. this is the way these 8 years, if it was worth rewinding back. but he was 100% worth it. in addition, it was a super super bright colorful segment in life, which, well , is priceless, it's just some kind of just a film of several parts, you know, i like how you once said that you once found it. i asked you a question during the ice show and you said you uh thanked vika for this roller coaster. i think this is the most comparison. yes, i remember exactly. it's this

expression. you are the first day when you held hands, you realized that yes, it's all these rollercoasters that we talked about and and that’s it, it didn’t work out for a very long time, nothing happens, i listen, and it’s as if you yourself are telling about two or three years. in general , we simply did not understand how you work, day and night. even on a day off there, nothing happens. it gets better, right? rolling down, understandable, but this is not what you expect. you still go in different directions, roughly speaking, you don’t even need to find fault with this in terms of technical. you just don't feel like it's a whole and it doesn't work and mistakes a bunch of nerves, a bunch of and in competitions you can't get used to the fact that the sochi olympics just took place and everything was so bright, and now you are a different couple and in general, no one is watching that you competed there, uh, with another partner, and there

you had a good result both in personal and in the team . it's all over again. and it's also hard to accept. although this is the easiest of what was and therefore and until the moment when there was a turning point in the year when we did not go to the olympic games in kinchany. it's just that this was the starting point, only upwards, or that's all. and this is some kind of. uh, planetary mystery. here, it really settled down when we came to the scammer. i even myself at this moment in the first year when you came to zhulin, i don’t remember much, as if there were some echoes of what was that was what interfered. maybe, maybe, in my character, maybe in skating in our place together with everyone, wait, i'll interrupt you, firstly, you already skated at zhulin. before. yes, yes, you already spent all your junior years with sasha and became the world champion, became the champions of russia, then you moved to the group with nikolai

morozov yes and this departure from zhulin, then a forced return to him. how did you even manage? it's like you, remember this conversation, in general with sasha sasha and i want to go back to you, of course, he did not come to the first conversation. instead of him came, uh, pyotr vyacheslavovich durnev pyotr durnev is a wonderful coach, technical specialists from alexander zhulin's team. so, uh, he asked me tricky questions. eh, are you sure? how can we train together? well, where is zhulin and aleksandrovich, uh, we met at the next day, in my opinion, well, it doesn't matter already there the other day. we met. he just said, guys, come on, i'm waiting for you for training, we'll see. here we have a wonderful team. come and work i will be glad. that is. he immediately buried these grievances. we did not have a single conversation on this topic, in general, alexander zhulin is known

primarily for the fact that tatiana was brought up in karmannaya kostomarov. these comparisons began, that vika seems to be very strongly natanya. nikita becomes like roma how did you like such a comparison and did you want to be like champions, great comparisons are much better than we were compared when we paired up with vika so uh, only honor uh. well, what can i say about vika and tanya, uh, really. it's just that there is a banal resemblance to the hair of the figure, they are tall beautiful blondes. uh, i know that one of the dresses in this insider info was made in tannin patterns for you and zhulin. he told me that he could not offer it to anyone, because it did not suit anyone. she just sat you down like it was done for you. yes, it is and

and it was an olympic dress for a free program a and and it was so fleeting. let's. well, try it, just try it, and we attached it like that, i tried it on. really looks very cool. and i really liked it. most importantly, that is , i am still such a person that if i don’t like it, i won’t go out in this, in general i breathed in you. it's some kind of confidence. we are all the same sovereign a little athletic people. still, if she won the olympics. i didn't even have that thought at all. that the most important thing for me is just to make me feel confident, to like you. our olympic year with tatyana, we skated jesus superstars. we had a white dress all season. and we needed to change something. we didn’t succeed in any way and tanya undertook to make herself a yellow dress, in which she also explicitly said to feel more confident and went out and did everything, really . well, it might be subconscious. or maybe it just gives you confidence. i don't know how it

works. well, for those who come to us only joined. i remind you that this is a free program podcast. i am maxim tankov and my interlocutors today are olympic champions victoria sinitsyna and nikita katsapov. have you had any role models in sports in your ice dancing, who would you like to look up to, who did you look at, thought yes, this is cool and it would be nice to get closer. or maybe surpass. i can now name at least three couples. for which i have been following at least three for sure all my life in figure skating and even specific programs that inspired me in general and inspired me and which i reviewed important there for some periods of time. uh, but the closer it got to these olympic games. well, 2 years, 3 years. i realized that here you need to concentrate so much on yourself , so look at yourself to improve yourself. uh,

every move you make, it just falls out by itself. here at this level, maybe just already old, that is, at the olympic games. i was already 30 years old and maybe somehow because of this it affected, but there until 22:00 here at the olympic games in sochi , of course, when you share the ice with tessa, and scott and world champions already then with charlie and meryl. eh, which is less? i have some kind of idols there, probably the same as for you, maybe yes, cattle paths and yet it’s just kind of, ghostly for me there were people that i watched and aspired to be a partner like scott and this is wow then for you for yourself this is your motivator right here and now plus even when you personally know these people, then you really like me inspired very much. well, they are our mutual friends. yes, only i am older and i generally

grew up with them from juniors and in one of the conversations the cattle told me that nikita is generally, like , the best partner in the world now, but he lacks discipline. i think that the discipline that, for example, scott could say, because we still know very little closely. uh, i got her here with the arrival, uh, k- to alexander zhulin and to our coach. and so, as i said. i just need to repeat myself. that's when everything is stacked. it's internal discipline internal some kind of calm and a completely new skill for me is normal to absolutely respond to mistakes to the fact that you don’t succeed, that i never myself, well, i could never allow it in my life, well, no mistake can happen. and if you go to the program entirely in training, if something went wrong, well, it's you more. well, if

this is, let's say, a program of 4 minutes and something happened in the first minute. well, you need to roll in your head, everything should always be a perfect skate or there is a perfect executed bunch. what a mistake anyway there shouldn't be any mistakes, but that's the point. to if it doesn't matter what happened to go further even better than it was even just and not to well, everyone forgot or thought at home. damn how cool. now, how great, he knows even more, tensed up even more inspired and let's go. they are even prettier than before. until then, despite this error. and the judge is also human. it seems to me, uh, unless, of course, it's an element that you failed. and if it can be some other things, and maybe he won't even see it. nobody that some mistake. there was and will forgive many things. and this is very important, it was

actually, as it seems to me, now that if it had come earlier, maybe some result would have been earlier. this is for me personally. it was very important for vic. what is zhulin's magic? why is he the number one coach in ice dancing in the post-soviet space ? i think it all depends on the fact that he feels his athlete very well. it is very important for the coach. and this is located athletes, too, to the coach. that is, we could approach alexandrovich with anything. they could tell us what we feel, how hard it is for us, or vice versa, that we feel so cool awesome. let's have more, that is. he adapted to us so much, he did not press very hard, but at the same time he kept him from relaxing. i think this is very important for a coach. and this is what

helped us, apparently, and psychologically, he also never pressed. he's always like that, everything will be fine, everything will be fine. well, he never drove us anywhere, didn’t rush us, everything is fine. we adjusted to him, he adjusted to us, right now we felt each other. apparently because of this, now alexander zhulina has a very large group. now your rivals in the russian national team have come, with whom you have competed together for many years, and sasha and vanya, uh, like, she doesn’t sound jealous, especially, maybe stepanov bukin. we discussed this sweek and quite recently and there is no answer yet. it may be, but it's just not clear while this is the off-season transitions. i would like to look at guys, in general, with the team with ours in action here. uh, maybe we can

answer a bit later. well, of course, such a healthy, healthy, calm jealousy is present a little bit. and if suddenly alexander calls and says, nikit vik, i need you. also, when you came to you on the ice, tanya, for example, as i know, navka yes, and with some kind of light helped you come and help, for example, vanya and sasha in staging a program or in serving in some way, i don’t know, maybe be psychologically helpful in some way. i agree. i know how to answer so i'm not sure that vanya and sasha, uh, but we are the same age. i don't know if guys can or can do that. uh, here from them, hmm, this will go to zhulin, that maybe we will invite someone in our direction, maybe this homeland invited its eternal rival. i invited him to russia, i said, he is a five-time world champion, i don’t care that i already won him. i already proved everything to him, but i want him

to share his experience with me, because if i want to skate further, i need someone new , some kind of coach, who will give me something new will give. and let it be a very cool champion who i respect as a rival. listen, i think so then, if if he calls, if he asks e , we will come. no need to guess what the guys will think. i ask you are you ready. real champions you generally consider yourself in the future. maybe as coaches. are you ready to pass on yours to the younger generation, or vika, i’m not that ready. i really want to and i still do not understand at what point this should happen, because i know very precisely. what, what to achieve, uh, very cool high result. i have to live a lot of hours on the ice with athletes who still need to be found to help them. first of all, this is a huge one.